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Vlastito dugogodisnje iskustvo eksploatisanja byd-a?
Po specifikacijama i izgledu, i svjedocenjima ljudi. Bolan, 5 g. garancije. Da je ne znam ti sta, sta te briga.izvrsni direktor wrote: ↑19/06/2024 15:17Kako onda znas da ne fali nista ni motorima ni opremi, kad evo vidim da cak i za eksploatisanje u kini imas samo pretpostavku...?Dozer wrote: ↑19/06/2024 10:20U Kini vjerovatno dobro, a vidjecemo kod nas jer - dolaze.izvrsni direktor wrote: ↑18/06/2024 15:49
Kako su se pokazala ova vozila nako 5-10 god eksploatisanja?
Razlika je sto Japanac odmah povuce svoj proizvod ako otkrije da nesto ne valja, jer je to greska. VW je to uradio ciljano, i nije nista povukao, nego su im ta vozila liferovali iz USA. I onda su sva ta vozila dosla nazad u Evropu, ali ne u EU, nego su razduzena po Balkanu i Aziji. Jaran tad kupio Sharana u pola cijene, za 35K KM, novog. A to je bio upravo taj sto je vracen iz USA. Radio je on 6-7 godina, sve OK (osim povremenih problema s ureom, nesto je 2-3x morao dodatno cistiti ili sta vec).canvra888 wrote: ↑19/06/2024 19:28Pričaš kao da do prije dieselgatea nisu "razvijali softver", nego im tek tako padao odnekle.kravamuzara wrote: ↑19/06/2024 12:51Varali, upali 50-100 milijardi, pa onda prave plasticne kante sa velikim marzama da se pokusaju izvaditi.konektovan wrote: ↑19/06/2024 12:48
Ne ide mnogim,..jer se jos uvijek politika pita, gurati nesto da odmah postane standard, ne moze..
Za ICE ima jos uvijek prostora da se modernizuju, da budu cisci..posto je sva trka frka od toga i krenula.
Ne brani im politika da naprave kvalitetno auto, izradom i hardverom bi i mogli da hoce, softverom ne mogu i ne znaju.
I već sam napisao ranije, varali su i ostali, samo što se od toga nije napravila hampa kao što se sa VW-om napravila.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vw-just-th ... companies/
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufa ... -in-france
https://www.leighday.co.uk/news/news/20 ... se-ruling/
I da, i Azijati varaju, uključujući i Mazdu.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 024-06-03/
"Toyota said it is still investigating issues related to vehicle fuel efficiency and emissions, and aimed to complete that inquiry by the end of June.
It added there were no performance issues that violated regulations and customers did not need to stop using their cars. Mazda suspended shipments of its Roadster RF sports car and the Mazda2 hatchback from Thursday last week after finding workers had modified engine control software test results, it said in a statement."
Ali nećemo ovo čuti od tebe, nego samo oko VW-a.
https://newsroom.mazda.com/en/publicity ... 0603a.html
Evo ovdje vidimo da zapravo nije samo ni softver koji kontroliše motor, nego i varanje na crash testovima od strane Mazde:
"Irregular processing of test vehicles in crash tests regarding three models which are no longer in production.
In a certification test for occupant protection in the event of a frontal collision, an external device was used to trigger a timed activation of the airbag instead of spontaneous activation based on collision detection by an onboard sensor."
A evo ispod oko softvera koji kontroliše motor:
"Rewriting of engine control software in the testing on two models which are currently in production.
In the certification testing for the on-boarded engine output of gasoline engine, the test should have been performed using engine control software in the same condition as a mass-production vehicle, but it was conducted by using control software in which the ignition timing adjust function was partially deactivated."
I šta kaže, ne da VW politika ovo i ono. Jah.
Tako nekako...citroen xm wrote: ↑20/06/2024 11:17 Ovo su ona govna što ih kod nas pokušavaju prodati kao Mr. Džirlo.![]()
Kinesko smeće ko je se sklapa uz pomoć štapa i kanapa, vjerovatno u nekoj vukojebini.![]()
Ameri prednjace u tome da su Kinezi komunjare, jednoumlje, nemaju pojma ni o cemu, itd.itd., a istovremeno uveliko zavise upravo do Kine u mnogim segmentima.konektovan wrote: ↑21/06/2024 11:21 A sta nazu svabe i ameri??
Zamisli kulis sebi auti koje se zove seres?!
Tebi dozeru to bi pristajalo..![]()
Nisu slagali nista, ali - sta je sporno? Zasto je to samo po sebi negativno?konektovan wrote: ↑21/06/2024 11:31 I sta su slagali ameri?
Slazem se da je sila kad je ekonomija u pitanju, ali sila zato sto je zapad istu napravio, ..dajuci da im proizvode sve i svasta.
Ljudi nikakvu inovaciju nisu napravili, kradu, spijuniraju....
Vrijedni jesu, to im se ne moze osporiti, ali pricati o bajkama....
Ne, nije razlika. Piše ti u tekstu gore Mazdinog PR-a, za auta koja i nisu više u produkciji, dakle isporučena takva, koristil eksterni uređaj za aktivaciju airbagova na crash testovima i takva auta su i isporučili... kakvo povlačenje.Dozer wrote: ↑21/06/2024 11:11Razlika je sto Japanac odmah povuce svoj proizvod ako otkrije da nesto ne valja, jer je to greska.canvra888 wrote: ↑19/06/2024 19:28Pričaš kao da do prije dieselgatea nisu "razvijali softver", nego im tek tako padao odnekle.kravamuzara wrote: ↑19/06/2024 12:51
Varali, upali 50-100 milijardi, pa onda prave plasticne kante sa velikim marzama da se pokusaju izvaditi.
Ne brani im politika da naprave kvalitetno auto, izradom i hardverom bi i mogli da hoce, softverom ne mogu i ne znaju.
I već sam napisao ranije, varali su i ostali, samo što se od toga nije napravila hampa kao što se sa VW-om napravila.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vw-just-th ... companies/
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufa ... -in-france
https://www.leighday.co.uk/news/news/20 ... se-ruling/
I da, i Azijati varaju, uključujući i Mazdu.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 024-06-03/
"Toyota said it is still investigating issues related to vehicle fuel efficiency and emissions, and aimed to complete that inquiry by the end of June.
It added there were no performance issues that violated regulations and customers did not need to stop using their cars. Mazda suspended shipments of its Roadster RF sports car and the Mazda2 hatchback from Thursday last week after finding workers had modified engine control software test results, it said in a statement."
Ali nećemo ovo čuti od tebe, nego samo oko VW-a.
https://newsroom.mazda.com/en/publicity ... 0603a.html
Evo ovdje vidimo da zapravo nije samo ni softver koji kontroliše motor, nego i varanje na crash testovima od strane Mazde:
"Irregular processing of test vehicles in crash tests regarding three models which are no longer in production.
In a certification test for occupant protection in the event of a frontal collision, an external device was used to trigger a timed activation of the airbag instead of spontaneous activation based on collision detection by an onboard sensor."
A evo ispod oko softvera koji kontroliše motor:
"Rewriting of engine control software in the testing on two models which are currently in production.
In the certification testing for the on-boarded engine output of gasoline engine, the test should have been performed using engine control software in the same condition as a mass-production vehicle, but it was conducted by using control software in which the ignition timing adjust function was partially deactivated."
I šta kaže, ne da VW politika ovo i ono. Jah.
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