Jedini predsjednicki kandidat u zadnjih bogznakoliko godina da nije otisao na noge AIPAC-u, za vrijeme predsjednicke kampanje. Jedini politicar u Americi koji se apsolutno nikada ne mjenja…Mishelinke wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:38Da je postao predsjednik podržavao bi genocid, kao i svaki predsjednik do sada.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:10Dok se po Americi mnogi proglasavaju prijateljima Hamasa i za puno manje stvari od ove, Berniju niko rijeci ne smije progovoriti. Nenadjebljiv je, ne mogu mu pera odbiti..
Ovo sto priča je samo šuplja. Svi oni su pacifisti dok ne preuzmu dužnost.
Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
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#40477 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Bernie? Kad, gdje?
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#40479 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Na CNN. Ukucaj na yt Benrie ceasefire i iskocice ti.
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#40480 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Samo Saša Matić ne vidi udare bijelim fosforom pored ovih svijetlećih raketa.
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#40481 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Govorim o VEĆINI CIVILA, ne svim i ne naoružanim koji su legitimna meta. Kako cifra naglo s 1.400 pade na 1.200? Zafalilo imena. Neki koji su "poginuli" iznenada imali objave na FB i X.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:28Ja ba, sami sebe granatirali. Hamas isao da im posadi cvijece po bastama, ovi se prepali i sami sebe poubijali. Kakve nebuloze ovaj forum trpi, to je nevjerovatno.
Ovo je bio izraelski PR debakl.
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A samo 1200. Onda je u reduarman1 wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:58Govorim o VEĆINI CIVILA, ne svim i ne naoružanim koji su legitimna meta. Kako cifra naglo s 1.400 pade na 1.200? Zafalilo imena. Neki koji su "poginuli" iznenada imali objave na FB i X.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:28Ja ba, sami sebe granatirali. Hamas isao da im posadi cvijece po bastama, ovi se prepali i sami sebe poubijali. Kakve nebuloze ovaj forum trpi, to je nevjerovatno.
Ovo je bio izraelski PR debakl.
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#40484 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Nema veze sa bijelim fosforom ne brukaj se bezveze. Izguglaj kako izgleda napad bijelim fosforom, ali nadji prave snimke ima i more ovakvih iz raznih ratova gdje sve sto svijetli neznalice predstavljaju bijelim fosforom.
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#40485 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
What is the white phosphorus that Israel is accused of using in Gaza?
This wax-like, toxic substance burns at temperatures high enough to melt metal.
Is white phosphorus harmful to humans?
White phosphorus can burn the skin down to the bone, and the chemicals can be absorbed by the body, causing dysfunction in multiple organs, including the liver, kidneys and heart.
“The burns have a double effect. They have a local effect because of the burn itself, which is generally quite severe and very deep, and then the second effect is metabolic, which can kill the patients,” said Roman Hossein Khonsari, professor of maxillofacial surgery and plastic surgery at Necker-Enfants Malades Hospital in Paris.
He said metabolic disorders can include abnormal potassium levels that cause heart failure.
Khonsari, who worked in Yerevan during the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, said that if burns are not identified by doctors as being caused by white phosphorus, the victim may not receive the necessary care for organ failure risks.
Khonsari also explained that phosphorus burns continue to pierce the skin and will reach the bone unless the substance is properly washed out.
White phosphorus, which can stick to many surfaces, such as clothes, can also reignite if it comes into contact with the skin again.
It can also be lethal if inhaled, and the fumes can severely irritate eyes and make them sensitive to light.
Is white phosphorus banned?
White phosphorus is not explicitly banned by international conventions — though its use in a dense, civilian population is considered illegal by many legal scholars.
Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits incendiaries or the use of other substances to attack civilian populations. But to be considered an “incendiary weapon”, an item needs to be “primarily designed” to set fire or cause burns.
White phosphorus is also used as a smokescreen, to signal or to illuminate a target. This allows militaries to argue that its use is not covered by Protocol III , to which Israel is in any case not a signatory.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/ ... ng-on-gaza
Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
Use in Populated Areas Poses Grave Risks to Civilians
White phosphorus, which can be used either for marking, signaling, and obscuring, or as a weapon to set fires that burn people and objects, has a significant incendiary effect that can severely burn people and set structures, fields, and other civilian objects in the vicinity on fire. The use of white phosphorus in Gaza, one of the most densely populated areas in the world, magnifies the risk to civilians and violates the international humanitarian law prohibition on putting civilians at unnecessary risk.
“Any time that white phosphorus is used in crowded civilian areas, it poses a high risk of excruciating burns and lifelong suffering,” said Lama Fakih, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “White phosphorous is unlawfully indiscriminate when airburst in populated urban areas, where it can burn down houses and cause egregious harm to civilians.”
On October 11, Human Rights Watch interviewed by phone two people from the al-Mina area in Gaza City, who described observing strikes consistent with the use of white phosphorus. One was in the street at the time, while the other was in a nearby office building. Both described ongoing airstrikes before seeing explosions in the sky followed by what they described as white lines going earthward. They estimated that the attack took place sometime between 11:30 a.m. and 1 p.m. Both said that the smell was stifling. The person who was in his office said that the smell was so strong that he went toward the window to see what was happening and then filmed the strike.
Human Rights Watch reviewed the video and verified that it was taken in Gaza City’s port and identified that the munitions used in the strike were airburst 155mm white phosphorus artillery projectiles. Other videos posted to social media and verified by Human Rights Watch show the same location. Dense white smoke and a garlic smell are characteristics of white phosphorus.
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#40486 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Kao i snimci gdje se vidi da koljači iz helikoptera i jurišnih vozila rafalaju okolo na sve što se kreće. U jednom momentu su govorili o preko 2000, a cifru od 1400 su držali u opticaju do prije neki dan. Ni danas nema oficijelno koliko od toga je vojno i policijsko osoblje, a defenitivno ih je puno jer su papučari pomeli preko 20 kontrolnih tačaka (usvakoj min 10 koljača), ** No links ** mašinerije, bazu, 2 policijske stanice i hrpu patrola.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:07A samo 1200. Onda je u reduarman1 wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:58Govorim o VEĆINI CIVILA, ne svim i ne naoružanim koji su legitimna meta. Kako cifra naglo s 1.400 pade na 1.200? Zafalilo imena. Neki koji su "poginuli" iznenada imali objave na FB i X.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:28
Ja ba, sami sebe granatirali. Hamas isao da im posadi cvijece po bastama, ovi se prepali i sami sebe poubijali. Kakve nebuloze ovaj forum trpi, to je nevjerovatno.
Ovo je bio izraelski PR debakl.Pala cifra za 200 ljudi, sto je sasvim normalno u onoj zbrci da prva brojka bude vise procjena dok se ne uspostavi tacno stanje. Predstavljas kao da je originalna cifra bila barem pet puta veca od konacne i to ti je "dokaz" da su sami sebe porokali. Sumrak logike i ponor morala svega mi...
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Takvi kao ti pricaju da je i vecina Palestinaca poginula od neispravnih Hamasovih raketa. Ne bih dalje isao u ovu bolesnu raspravu...arman1 wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:21Kao i snimci gdje se vidi da koljači iz helikoptera i jurišnih vozila rafalaju okolo na sve što se kreće. U jednom momentu su govorili o preko 2000, a cifru od 1400 su držali u opticaju do prije neki dan. Ni danas nema oficijelno koliko od toga je vojno i policijsko osoblje, a defenitivno ih je puno jer su papučari pomeli preko 20 kontrolnih tačaka (usvakoj min 10 koljača), ** No links ** mašinerije, bazu, 2 policijske stanice i hrpu patrola.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:07A samo 1200. Onda je u reduPala cifra za 200 ljudi, sto je sasvim normalno u onoj zbrci da prva brojka bude vise procjena dok se ne uspostavi tacno stanje. Predstavljas kao da je originalna cifra bila barem pet puta veca od konacne i to ti je "dokaz" da su sami sebe porokali. Sumrak logike i ponor morala svega mi...
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#40488 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Nije sporno da je koristen u Gazi, sporan je onaj video sto si postavio koji nema veze sa fosforom.Bossona wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:17SpoilerShow
What is the white phosphorus that Israel is accused of using in Gaza?
This wax-like, toxic substance burns at temperatures high enough to melt metal.
Is white phosphorus harmful to humans?
White phosphorus can burn the skin down to the bone, and the chemicals can be absorbed by the body, causing dysfunction in multiple organs, including the liver, kidneys and heart.
“The burns have a double effect. They have a local effect because of the burn itself, which is generally quite severe and very deep, and then the second effect is metabolic, which can kill the patients,” said Roman Hossein Khonsari, professor of maxillofacial surgery and plastic surgery at Necker-Enfants Malades Hospital in Paris.
He said metabolic disorders can include abnormal potassium levels that cause heart failure.
Khonsari, who worked in Yerevan during the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, said that if burns are not identified by doctors as being caused by white phosphorus, the victim may not receive the necessary care for organ failure risks.
Khonsari also explained that phosphorus burns continue to pierce the skin and will reach the bone unless the substance is properly washed out.
White phosphorus, which can stick to many surfaces, such as clothes, can also reignite if it comes into contact with the skin again.
It can also be lethal if inhaled, and the fumes can severely irritate eyes and make them sensitive to light.
Is white phosphorus banned?
White phosphorus is not explicitly banned by international conventions — though its use in a dense, civilian population is considered illegal by many legal scholars.
Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits incendiaries or the use of other substances to attack civilian populations. But to be considered an “incendiary weapon”, an item needs to be “primarily designed” to set fire or cause burns.
White phosphorus is also used as a smokescreen, to signal or to illuminate a target. This allows militaries to argue that its use is not covered by Protocol III , to which Israel is in any case not a signatory.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/ ... ng-on-gazaIsrael: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
Use in Populated Areas Poses Grave Risks to Civilians
White phosphorus, which can be used either for marking, signaling, and obscuring, or as a weapon to set fires that burn people and objects, has a significant incendiary effect that can severely burn people and set structures, fields, and other civilian objects in the vicinity on fire. The use of white phosphorus in Gaza, one of the most densely populated areas in the world, magnifies the risk to civilians and violates the international humanitarian law prohibition on putting civilians at unnecessary risk.
“Any time that white phosphorus is used in crowded civilian areas, it poses a high risk of excruciating burns and lifelong suffering,” said Lama Fakih, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “White phosphorous is unlawfully indiscriminate when airburst in populated urban areas, where it can burn down houses and cause egregious harm to civilians.”
On October 11, Human Rights Watch interviewed by phone two people from the al-Mina area in Gaza City, who described observing strikes consistent with the use of white phosphorus. One was in the street at the time, while the other was in a nearby office building. Both described ongoing airstrikes before seeing explosions in the sky followed by what they described as white lines going earthward. They estimated that the attack took place sometime between 11:30 a.m. and 1 p.m. Both said that the smell was stifling. The person who was in his office said that the smell was so strong that he went toward the window to see what was happening and then filmed the strike.
Human Rights Watch reviewed the video and verified that it was taken in Gaza City’s port and identified that the munitions used in the strike were airburst 155mm white phosphorus artillery projectiles. Other videos posted to social media and verified by Human Rights Watch show the same location. Dense white smoke and a garlic smell are characteristics of white phosphorus.
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#40489 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Nije uz blagoslov, već po naredbi.Grean wrote: ↑11/11/2023 20:15Jeste upratili sta se desilo Mursiju i njegovim pristalicama?
Ako jeste a mnogi jos i pljeskali jer je strasno Muslimansko bratsvo skinuto pucem uz blagoslov zapada onda znate zasto ne protestuju po ulicama.
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#40491 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Nemaju oni strahove od Hezbollaha, i vrlo vjerovatno da nakon Hamasa i Gaze vatru preusmjere prema Hezbollahu i Libanu.alijagoro wrote: ↑11/11/2023 19:56Nekad se Izrael branio u Libanu a sad imaju strahove od Hezbollaha.plavi_E wrote: ↑11/11/2023 19:00 Izraelski ministar odbrane upozorava Hezbolah: Ono što možemo u Gazi, možemo i u Bejrutu
Mnogi tvrde kako se Hamas i Hezbolah sakrivaju iza civila a u stvari Izrael sviesno prijeti ubijanjem civila kao nacin vojne odbrane. Nekad su za 6 dana unistili 3 arapske armije a danas prijete jos jednim masakrom civila ako ih napadne Hezbolah dok ratuju sa Hamasom. A uz to najjaca americka udarna grupa sa nosacima aviona uz guzicu im. Koja promjena snaga u regionu.![]()
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#40492 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ne vidi lik od svjetlećih fosforne bombe.
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#40493 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Za palestince sigurno neću to reći jer su predmet okrutne egzekucije od strane "jedine demokracije na BI" podržano od tzv naprednih zapdanih zemalja. Nevjerovatno koliko se neman razgoropadila da pokolj opravda "legitimnim" pravom na odbranu. Brane što su oteli. A svi argumanti su im obična LAŽ.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:26Takvi kao ti pricaju da je i vecina Palestinaca poginula od neispravnih Hamasovih raketa. Ne bih dalje isao u ovu bolesnu raspravu...arman1 wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:21Kao i snimci gdje se vidi da koljači iz helikoptera i jurišnih vozila rafalaju okolo na sve što se kreće. U jednom momentu su govorili o preko 2000, a cifru od 1400 su držali u opticaju do prije neki dan. Ni danas nema oficijelno koliko od toga je vojno i policijsko osoblje, a defenitivno ih je puno jer su papučari pomeli preko 20 kontrolnih tačaka (usvakoj min 10 koljača), ** No links ** mašinerije, bazu, 2 policijske stanice i hrpu patrola.SpoilerShowGandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:07
A samo 1200. Onda je u reduPala cifra za 200 ljudi, sto je sasvim normalno u onoj zbrci da prva brojka bude vise procjena dok se ne uspostavi tacno stanje. Predstavljas kao da je originalna cifra bila barem pet puta veca od konacne i to ti je "dokaz" da su sami sebe porokali. Sumrak logike i ponor morala svega mi...
Da bi pokazali "ugroženost" ovih dana na sajtovim bradatih spodoba (za koje ne treba elaborirati na čijoj su strani), na njihovim FB grupama ima masa poziva i govora mržnje protiv jevreja kojim žele da dokažu da se, cionisti samo brane od hamas internationale. U tom svjetlu treba gledati i izjave EU fašista Orbana, Le Pen i sl.
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#40494 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Nije pitanje na kojoj si “strani” nego kakvu retoriku koristis…arman1 wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:42Za palestince sigurno neću to reći jer su predmet okrutne egzekucije od strane "jedine demokracije na BI" podržano od tzv naprednih zapdanih zemalja. Nevjerovatno koliko se neman razgoropadila da pokolj opravda "legitimnim" pravom na odbranu. Brane što su oteli. A svi argumanti su im obična LAŽ.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:26Takvi kao ti pricaju da je i vecina Palestinaca poginula od neispravnih Hamasovih raketa. Ne bih dalje isao u ovu bolesnu raspravu...arman1 wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:21Kao i snimci gdje se vidi da koljači iz helikoptera i jurišnih vozila rafalaju okolo na sve što se kreće. U jednom momentu su govorili o preko 2000, a cifru od 1400 su držali u opticaju do prije neki dan. Ni danas nema oficijelno koliko od toga je vojno i policijsko osoblje, a defenitivno ih je puno jer su papučari pomeli preko 20 kontrolnih tačaka (usvakoj min 10 koljača), ** No links ** mašinerije, bazu, 2 policijske stanice i hrpu patrola.SpoilerShow
Da bi pokazali "ugroženost" ovih dana na sajtovim bradatih spodoba (za koje ne treba elaborirati na čijoj su strani), na njihovim FB grupama ima masa poziva i govora mržnje protiv jevreja kojim žele da dokažu da se, cionisti samo brane od hamas internationale. U tom svjetlu treba gledati i izjave EU fašista Orbana, Le Pen i sl.
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#40495 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
To navijanje egipatskih navijača će stvarno pomoći Palestincima.
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#40496 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
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#40497 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Jordan ne smije jer su već jednom fasovali od Izraela. Mada su i EgipćaniMishelinke wrote: ↑11/11/2023 21:47I usput im zatvori granicu da niko od civila ne može izbjeći pokolj.
Egipat je najveća cionistička kurva poslije Jordana.
Jordan je ipak nenadjebiva kurva.
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#40498 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
izraelska policija legitimiše Muriqija u njegovoj državi
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#40499 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Tako je svakom i svuda
Nas su u kaficu pored luke pleso safatali
Nas su u kaficu pored luke pleso safatali
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#40500 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Capajebo wrote: ↑11/11/2023 19:37Cionisti i jevreji nisu isto, i nemoj ih tako kategorisati. Ako vec pricas o toj temi i Hamasu, onda pisi cionisti i gledaj tako situaciju.apsidejzi wrote: ↑11/11/2023 18:30Pa dobro, formalno pravno, hamas nigdje nije izjavio da zeli ubiti sve i jednog jevreja, osim pojedinaca al njih necemo brojati. Gledamo ih sada kao organizaciju. No u praksi, svaki jevrej kojeg su se docepali, ubijen je, ili drzan kao taoc da bude poluga za nesto sto im treba. Tako da "de jure" ovo je moje licno misljenje, "de facto" - mozda i nije.
KOliko ja mogu razumjeti, Hamas ne zeli priznati izrael nikako. Smatraju da je sve to zauzeta zemlja i da jevreji nemaju pravo ni na jedan metar zemlje. Zato ce se oni boriti sve dok ne istjeraju jevreje iz nje. Ovo sada dovodi do apsurdne situacije: kako ces istjerati sve jevreje? Recimo da sad rusi i iranci daju hamasu nekakvo oruzje, da se ameri povuku i da u roku od pet dana hamas porazi izraelsku armiju. Sta bi se desilo? Kakve bismo slike gledali? Novi holokaust?
Naravno da imaju potpuno pravo da ne priznaju Izreal i da zele istjerati sve cioniste sa svoje zemlje.
A sto se tice jevreja, generalno kroz historiju su najmirniji i najsigurniji bili u zemljama sa vecinskim muslimanskim stanovnistvom. Pa bih volio vjerovati da bi tako bilo i u tom tvom scenariju. Dok pod vlascu cionista ni muslimani, ni katolici, ni pravoslavci pa ni jevreji nisu dobrodosli - to upravo gledamo.
