Ukrajina

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Truha zna bas fuliti. Koliko znam,haubica D30 je u kalibru od 122mm.

Na slici su 122 mm haubice.

Definitivno D30, 122mm

Jedna od haubica koje je najlakše prepoznati. Tri lafete, može se okretati 360 stepeni, amortizer sa gornje strane cijevi i nastavak na cijevi za vuču. BNT je proizvodio ove, a zadnje su otišle u Afganistan.

D20 je 152mm

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Na slici su 122 mm haubice.

Znam,nego u naslovu Truhe piše 152mm haubica D30

Više sam ovo postavio da približim vam dojam i stvarnost kako radi artiljerija, posluga, nišandzija a vidi se i računač, cijevi položene haman pa direktno ili neposredno gađanje, domet kratak, baš kao topovska paljba što i jes glavna razlika topa i haubice. Topovi uglavnom tuku neposredno, manji uglovi, duže cijevi. Haubica bi sa ubacnom putanjom 65 +stepeni bila nešto kao minobacač.

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Poslusajte do kraja sta sve budalasi govore i nagovjestavaju, zele kako god

Zalosna im majka i neki njihovi preci (daleki i davni), su ratovali protiv Hitlera...

I kaze neko - rusofilija je OK?
Jasta radi, ali da odmah ozakonimo cisti nepotizam (makar ima genetski kontinuitet). jer rusofilija (kao i sve ostale *filije) su nepotizam na steroidima... Kompletnoj populaciji (ukljucujuci i ove bilmeze) das card blanche, mada se u puti nisu sreli sa slavnim precima.

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ork vojne vjezbe ove godine i par godina prije, osjetan je broj vozila i ljudstva manje ne? nesto HIM se desilo? super ide ova spec op, ovaj rat kak vec zovu, agresiju na ukrajinu...

hahaha gdje su nestali ovi iz 2018 da nisu na godisnjem odmoru ?

Davydiv Brid ko Vozuca

Ja mislim da se tu brane srpstvo i beograd !

vozuca su vrata moskve

Hehehe uništili orci 44 Himarsa, možda na igricama

unistili 44 himarsa od 20 koliko ih ukrajina ima

isto ko sto su unistili 200 bayri od 50 mogucih. a bayro roka li roka i dan danas

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Na slici su 122 mm haubice.

Znam,nego u naslovu Truhe piše 152mm haubica D30

Sve jasno, ja samo potvrđujem tvoj post.

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Poslusajte do kraja sta sve budalasi govore i nagovjestavaju, zele kako god

Teroristicka drzava.
Nema nikakve dvojbe vise.
Samo nema ni muda na zapadu da se tkao kvalifikuje.
Uvijek ista prica kroz historiju.
Generacija slabih ljudi odraslih bez izazova, koji upropaste ono sto napravi generacija jakih ljudi.
Historijski ciklusi uspona i padova.
Sve sam veci protivnik EU integracija. Postati kusur francuzima i njemcima.

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Tri komada HIMRASA ili M270…

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U međuvremenu, Ukrajinski dron je snimio predaju ruskih vojnika.

Znaci, ima i pametnih orca.

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Znaci, ima i pametnih orca.

Nije mi ovo bas jasno zasto se predaju. Ovo je sasvim blizu Donjecku i mogli su se povuci.

Mozda se radi o lokalnom prekidu vatre da se ranjenici izvuku sa nicije zemlje ili nesto slicno.

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Mislim da je ovo važno.
Ruje će ih teško istjerati, a da se ne razotkriju.

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Nesto gori

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Bajro - U prevodu onaj koji ne oprasta...

Neznam jel bilo Bajro roka Artiljeriju ok Khersona.. Ako je Bjro prosao do Artiljerije bogami moglo bi bit nesto od ovoga

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Piše novinar njemačkog tabloida Bild?
Ok recimo da je to istina ali kako jedan njemački novinar dođe u mogućnost da priča sa nekim ukrajinskim vojnikom na frontu?
To me baš zanima.
Naslov u Bildu:
"Jesu li Rusi iznajmili Zelenskijevu vilu u Toskani?"
https://m.bild.de/?t_ref=https:/www.google.com/
Bild je Bild.
Populistički najtiražnini(nažalost) koji skreće u desno.
Ide na ruku AFD-u.
Urednička politika im je ko Trumpov Fox News.
Ne kažem da što pišu nije istina i da na kraju" ofanziva" možda i prođe kako treba i sl., ali vjerovati novinaru Bilda i onom twitter ТРУХАEnglish nije baš preporučljivo.

On kaze "Mi" sto znaci da su ratni reporteri Bilda razgovarali sa nekim vojnicima...na frontu nisu to je sigurno ali kao sto je Wall Street Journal ratni reporter razgovarao sa ranjenim ukrajinskim vojnicima u bolnici i napravio clanak tako su mogli i ovi iz Bilda i price im se poklapaju. Matthew Luxmoore koji radi za WSJ njegov twitter i link na clanak je stavio Lajkujme par stranica prije ovog twita sto je madner postavio...

Matthew Luxmoore
WSJ News Exclusive | Ukrainian Soldiers Say They Are Advancing in the South, But at a Cost


Ukrainian army units pushing toward Kherson in the south are retaking ground held for months by Russia’s invading troops amid extremely fierce fighting, according to Ukrainian soldiers taking part in the offensive.

Russian soldiers seemed well-equipped and were putting up stiff resistance, the Ukrainians said.
“They’re throwing everything against us,” said a 22-year-old Ukrainian soldier who said Russians were fighting with artillery, tanks, helicopters and mortars. “They have a lot of equipment but few men.”

Interviews with eight soldiers who took part in fighting—and were being treated for injuries at a hospital behind the front lines—offered the most detailed on-the-ground picture yet from an offensive that Ukraine hopes will help it seize the initiative in the conflict and show its Western backers, and its own people, that its military can take on Moscow’s army and win.

Ukrainian officials are saying little publicly about the offensive, citing the need for secrecy in military operations.

The Pentagon’s assessment, given at a briefing by its spokesman Wednesday, appeared to support the soldiers’ cautious optimism.

“We are aware of Ukrainian military operations that have made some forward movement, and in some cases in the Kherson region we are aware of Russian units falling back,” Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder told reporters.

The soldiers and medics at a hospital in southern Ukraine agreed to speak on the condition that their identities and location wouldn’t be revealed. All took part in the offensive that began Monday with the aim of seizing the initiative in the war.

The attacks Monday at several points along the front lines came after weeks of softening up Russian forces with long-range rocket attacks.

Ukraine’s long-awaited thrust in the south is advancing into territory that the Russians occupied in the early days of their invasion, according to soldiers who took part in fighting. But it is a hard slog against a well-equipped enemy, they said.

Ivan, a 32-year-old private, said his unit’s task was simple: “Go in, f—them up, retake what’s ours.”


(Injured Ukrainian servicemen including Ivan, a 32-year-old private, describe an offensive that Ukraine hopes will help it seize the initiative against Russia.)

He said the offensive started well for his unit, which seized a village from the Russians in the early hours of fighting.

But that same day, Monday, he wound up in hospital with a concussion after a teammate fired a rocket launcher a few steps from where he stood.

“The guys are in a fighting mood,” said Ivan, a former construction worker from southwest Ukraine. “They’re moving forward.”

Some Russian troops are fleeing their positions, he said, abandoning equipment and booby-trapping the bodies of dead comrades they leave behind. Ivan showed footage that he said was sent to him by comrades on the front line, appearing to show dead Russian soldiers on the outskirts of a village that he said was seized by Ukrainian forces on Tuesday.

Ivan said Ukrainian forces had thrust toward Kherson, the regional capital, and were trying to clear villages along the way.

Russian military bloggers who are close to the country’s Defense Ministry have noted another Ukrainian advance, across the Inhulets River to the northeast of Kherson. The Russian Defense Ministry has described Ukraine’s offensive as a failure.

“We’re advancing in some areas and being battered in others,” said Pavlo, a 22-year-old soldier who was concussed in a battle on Tuesday and says he now hears a sound akin to a broken television in his head.

The head of the intensive-care unit where some of the soldiers were being treated said the military warned him of the offensive a week in advance, spurring hopes of imminent victories.

“But when they started bringing in such a large number of wounded, then, honestly, I felt sorry for them and I started wondering if this was worth doing at such a cost,” said the doctor. “I don’t know. There’s no right answer here.”

Ukrainian officials and military analysts have said that Ukrainian losses, even if the offensive is successful, could be high as they are assaulting an entrenched enemy with significant firepower that can quickly chew up troops.

At the intensive-care unit, six servicemen in comas occupied beds in two adjoining wards separated by a thin wall. In one, doctors were fighting to save the life of a 47-year-old armor crewman badly injured when his tank was hit Tuesday, his chest heaving as surgeons performed a tracheotomy in a bid to restore his breathing.

One Ukrainian soldier lay in his bed clutching the Russian bullet that had just been plucked from his body after traveling through his left shoulder and exiting through his pelvis. He was shot as he lay on the ground seeking cover from a Russian attack in a village.

“We had a feeling that we’d be going into battle, that we were planning something big,” the 30-year-old soldier, Petro, said of the days that preceded the offensive as he struggled to speak under the influence of heavy anesthesia. “We all hope the war ends as soon as possible.”

The doctor said he spends some nights on a small couch in his office after more than half his staff stopped coming to work following a Russian rocket attack on the hospital in August. He said he felt on the verge of a breakdown as he has dealt with more soldiers than at any time since the first weeks of the war.

Faced with the influx, doctors are fighting to save the lives of those in critical condition before sending them on to better-equipped hospitals once they are stable.


(A Ukrainian soldier recovering from severe bullet wounds to his stomach at the hospital in southern Ukraine.
PHOTO: THE WALL STREET JOURNAL)

The head of the intensive-care unit said that on Monday he took in a 27-year-old soldier with a broken leg, concussion, torn lung and a ruptured liver, stomach, colon and bowel. “Head, chest, limbs, stomach, concussions, they come with all kinds of injuries,” he said. “The effect of an explosion damages everything.”

But among the injured, the doctor said he was most struck by their desire to continue fighting as soon as they are physically able.

Ivan, the 32-year-old private, said his concussion on Monday was his third since he was mobilized at the start of Russia’s invasion, and it was only because his commander ordered him evacuated that he ended up at the hospital.

“I want to get back to our guys,” he said, playing down his injuries despite struggling to hear. “I wanted to return the moment I left.”

Michael R. Gordon contributed to this article.

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Mislim da je ovo važno.
Ruje će ih teško istjerati, a da se ne razotkriju.

Itekako vazno samo je pitanje koliko se Rusi boje UNa?
Kad kazem boje mislim na posljedice da ih nasilno odvedu iz NE.
Mislim da je ovo i bio plan UNa da ostave svoje ljude tamo i onemoguve Rusima lazi ili jos gore neki vid sabotaze.

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Malo off topic




Bayro ucinak od ulaska u proizvodnju
Mozemo reci da se sistem pokazao izuzetno efektivnim daleko iznad ocekivanja.
Bilo bi zanimljivo jednog dana vidjeti analizu svih dronova slicnih karakteristika i pojedinacni ucinak naspram drugih.

Jos cinjenica da je Bayro pogodio i unistio sve moguce od vojne opreme.

Izmedju ostalog i brodove i avio tehniku

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I dalje dosta dobar ucinak slabiji od Jucer i od prije 3 dana ali veliki Ruski gubitci u tehnici u ljudstvu

Opet tenkova i APC ko u prici plus 13 artiljerijskih sistema

Rusi su izgubili za 4 dana 80tk tenkova oko 100tk APC i oko 60 kod artiljerijskih oruzja.

Plus ljudstva preko 1000

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Jel bilo ovo?
Najnovije analize raznih izvora stavljaju gubitke Rusa na 50.000 mrtvih i jos oko 75.000 ranjenih.

Podaci dolaze djelomicno od open source materijala i jednog leaka iz MOD Rusije.

Takodjer analiza zasto je kod Rusa odnost Mrtvih i ranjenika haman 1/1.25.
Ponajvise zbog uzasno lose situacije s Medicima u jedinicima i losom opremom za prvu pomoc.
+ Spora evakuacija tesko ranjenih u bolnice visoke klase.

Odnos kod Ukrajinaca je puno bolji s 1/4 Mrtvi/ranjeni zbog cinjenice da od 2014 Ukrajinci ulazu uveliko u medicinske sposobnosti vojske.
Od opreme za Prvu Pomoc do obuke vojnika kako tretirati ranjene na bojisti i organizacije evakuacije ranjenika.

Ameri imaju najbolji odnos od 1/7 zbog logistickih mogucnost brze evakuacije.

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Ovom Orcu nije lako vidis mu na faci sto zali da se ikada prijavio u Vojsku

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Zavisimo od Ruskih izvora

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“Potražnja za dronovima porasla je do te mjere da postoji trogodišnja lista čekanja, navodi se u ranijem saopštenju turskog proizvođača dronova.” https://eurasiantimes.com/24-countries ... otype/?amp

druze slobo samo reci letit ` cemo kao ......hocete kurac

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Neki dan sam postavio ovdje onaj Telegram post nekakvog Ruskog izvora koji je prenio pevi dan ofanzive sta se desilo i da je situacija losa u Kherosnu

Tek sam sam uvidio sta je rekao

Ukrajinci su po prvi put pokazali svoju mogucnost Combined Arms taktike.

Predhodno ofanzivi Artiljerija je ravanala sve ispred sebe u sadejstvu Himarsa.

Kad su krenuli Tenkovi i pjesadija helikopteri Ukrajine su sadejstvovali u tandemu su pjesadijom na Ruske polozaje ispred.

Istovremeno Ukrajinska avijacija je prvo onesposobila PVO onda s Avijacijom izvrsila strateske udare u pozadini i na poslijetku Bayraktari su upali na nebo iznad fronte i poceli pronalaziti Rusku artiljeriju i logistiku i ravnati je.

A Pjesadija i oklopi su zajednickim snagama izvrsili proboj naprijed velikom snagom dok ih je istovremeno Artiljerija stitila.

A svo to vrijeme Himarsi su agresivno udarali po Ruskoj dubokoj pozadini.

Nije ispalo na kraju savrseno ali je rezultat operacije bio odlican.

Najveci problem koji su imali je u komunikacini jedinica na terenu i lose koordinacije pojedinacnih jedinica zbog toga.

Drugi problem je kratkotrajnost kohezije CA UA je uspjela (po dosadasnjim limitiranim informacija) da zadrzi kakvu takvu kohehiziju 3 dana.
Sto je opet vrlo dobro za prvi pokusaj.
Sad Ukrajinci imaju puno bolju predstavu u probleme CA operacije i svjesniji su licnih nedostataka i problema u toj sferi.
Sljedeca takva operacija moze biti samo bolja.
Moraju rjesiti problem komunikacija i kohezije u toku borbi.
Vjerovatno i poboljsati dugotrajnost i sposobnost logisticke podrske za dugotrajniju CA operaciju.

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Ne bi bio prvi put da Bosnjaci tu ratuju, ali po tradiciji je drugi tim.

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