Ukrajina

[Ironmen]

Oba mosta preko Donetsa koji povezuju Raihorodok s Lymanom su uništena.

Jeli ovo potvrđeno ?

[madner]

Trenutno su zapadne procjene da UA gubi vise ljudi dnevno od VRF.
Ako uzmemo da su tacni, VRF gubici su usporili jer bili su davno na 18000.

Zato sam rekao ako je broj tacan, RF ima 100 000 gubitaka. Sto ce reci da ili su brojke prenapuhane ili mogu jako brzo da nadomjeste iste.

Sve skupa nema vojničkog smisla.

I da ukrajinci trenutno imaju više gubitaka to ne znači da ih rusi nemaju. Sve ove ofanzivne akcije su besmislene jer u konačnici ništa ne donose. Vrše se samo da bi ukrajinska vojska bila angažovana na odbrani.
Čim rusi stanu, postaće meta. Svaki dan, svaka pozicija će biti na meti, nadgledana iz zraka i potencijalno bombardovana. I svaki dan će tu rusi iz rusije ginuti dok se ne povuku.
Čak i da ukrajinci ne napravi ni jednu kontraofanzivu nanosiće agresoru veliku štetu.

Ima smisla, samo se nadamo da nema uspjeha. Nisu Rusi ni porazili Njemce u briljatnim ofanzivama, takvih je bilo jako malo u 4 godine. Porazili su ih tako sto su svaki dan nanosili gubitke, i dok je Njemacki sistem trebao dugo da obuci ljude Ruski nije. Ako budu uspjesni, pocet ce se stvarati manji dzepovi i to ce biti znak da UA ne moze nadomjestiti gubitke dovoljno brzo.

Rusi nece nikad skroz stati, spremna je nova rotacija. Samo se jos nisu odlucili da li ce na isto mjesto napasti ili novo. Ove grupe kod Kurska i iznad Harkova su ofanziva u Julu. UA mora negdje preuzeti inicijativu i poraziti koji BTG, samo tako ce dugorocno smanjiti pritisak.

[lajkujMe]

Sad jedna zamiljivost cisto da imate predstavu.

Koliko je/ce Ukrajina dobiti artiljerije?
Po sadasnjem spisku:

Samohodne haubice: 160+ komada vecinom 155mm kalibra
Haubice vucene: 150+ vecinom 155mm kalibra
MLRS: 50+ vecinom Sovjetske uz bar 12 Himars/M270

To je 360 komada artiljerijskog oruzanja

Uz onih 26 Belgijskih M109 sto su jucer najavljene dolazimo do 186 samohodki sto cini total od 386 artiljerijskog oruzja.
Vecinom Nato kalibra.

Uopste nije malen broj uz to mislim da ce Ameri pogurati UA u sljedecem paketu s jos M109 samohodki.


S tim da napomenem bar 40% ovoga jos nije isporuceno.

[lajkujMe]

@madner

Makar oko toga se slazemo, mislim da UA treba preci u mobilniji rat ovo mrcvarenje s Rovovima postaje glupa taktika.

Moraju stisnuti Ruse a ne popustati im nema druge.
Znam veliki gubitci ali ako ovako nastavi UA moral ce ispuhati.
Svakoj vojski ma kakav god motiv imali moraju nekad i osjetiti uspjeh.
Udari po Rusima postaju sve bitniji

[Excel2]

na snimci kojom se rjue hvale smo vidjeli da su zasuli 4, od tog samo jedna je unistena. dakle ima ih jos kolko ti bog hoec u minuti da unistavaju ruske ciljeve. i nisu jedine, svakim danom sve vise puca roka po orcima

Upitno je da li je i jedna unistena. Ono je pogodjena municija iza jedne.

[llull]

dzulijan kaze da su zapadni howitzeri nadrapali jer su rusi doveli neku dalekometniju artiljeriju i sad je dalekometnost opet na ruskoj strani.

Ma to ono tajno otuze od rahmetli Zirinovskog.

Edit
Bilo vec ... my bad

[sumirprimus]

dzulijan javlja da u orci persli na drugu sstranu sd rijkeu ovom naselju

[Mrvice_ba]

Jednostavno moraju udariti konjicom najjace na hersonsku regiju.

Orci ih pomalo copkaju u donbasu, napadni na sve ili nista u hersonu, jer ovako ce dobiti ništa.

[lajkujMe]

Belaj ako je istina tu moraju rapidno da kontraofanzivno djeluju i vrate Orce na drugu stranu rijeke.


Inace Strelkov se javio kaze situaciju u Kersonu sve gora po Ruske.
UA iako uz velike gubitke uspjela napredovati nekoliko kilometara jucer i sad formiraju 2 udarna pravca jedan na Snihurivke drugi na nasu omiljenu Chornobaivku.
Rusi imaju velike gubitke i gube kontrolu Hersona.

[sumirprimus]

Trent Telenko
@TrentTelenko
The effects of a Caesar networked digital fast wheeled SPH integrated in to the Ukrainian GIS Arta digital fire control network can now be seen.

80 Russian artillery pieces have been destroyed with less than 12 Caesar SPH in a few days:
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It looks like the artillery work of the French Caesar & Norwegian M109A3N 155mm guns are making themselves felt across Donbas.

A Caesar can reach 40 km with rocket assisted 155mm shells.

Hitting a Grad ammo dump 15 km behind the lines means a Caesar can be 25 km behind
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...the front lines.

This would put it out of range of most common 20km range 122mm Grad rocket ammunition.

So the Russians need to dedicate their remaining Smerch MLRS batteries in the Donbas to attempt to counter these NATO guns.
And things will get a lot worse for the Russian Army when PzH-2000 155mm/52 Caliber SPH arrive in Eastern Ukraine.

No wonder Russia is railing BM-27 and 2S5 long range artillery from the Russian far east.

[sumirprimus]

bice vjerovatno tezak i ovaj mjesec..

[lajkujMe]

Upravo se pojavilo na Firmsu satelit svjeze snimio podatke



Ovo je zestoka aktivnost artiljerije na totalno cudnom mjestu

[sumirprimus]

[Mrvice_ba]

Upravo se pojavilo na Firmsu satelit svjeze snimio podatke



Ovo je zestoka aktivnost artiljerije na totalno cudnom mjestu

Ciji je tokmak, jesu orci tu jos?

[SanskiBiser]

Tom Cooper prije par minuta

Good morning everybody!

In general, the Ukraine War is now a giant battle of attrition, with local offensives and counterattacks by both sides resulting in bitter losses. Except in one area (see below for details), most of the fighting is ‘back-and-forth’, ‘artillery exchanges’, and the outcome is usually of temporary nature, depending on what side brought reinforcements at what point in time and space.

That ‘one exception’ appears to be based on General Zhidko’s idea: contrary to what is usually reported, he didn’t ‘replace’ Dvornikov, but is serving under him, and is responsible for the coordination of all operations in the Donbass area. Moreover, Dvornikov has no finesse: his style of command has resulted in all the latest frontal attacks without major gains. Apparently, Zhidko’s ‘one more, all-out push’ — perhaps the ‘Plan H’, if you like — is run by a new command (29th CAA) and, once again, aiming at closing the Severodonetsk Cauldron from a new direction.

Related: new videos have appeared shown additional trains hauling heavy artillery of the RFA in direction of Ukraine. Here are three stills from one example, shown a train loaded with what looked like a full battery each of 2S7s and BM-30s, and support vehicles.

BATTLE OF DONBASS

Kharkiv….about 4–5 days ago, the RFA launched yet another counterattack, though this time on a wide front in southern direction. Rumours have it that it has taken Rusky Tyshky, Cherkaski Tyshky, Petrivka, and Peremoha, and to be pushing for Mykhailivka in the west, via Shestakove and Fedorivka in the east, thus threatening the T2104 road (connecting Kharkiv with Staryi Saltiv). With other words, this is a significant counteroffensive, which might be involving some 6–7 BTGs with lots of artillery support,, and is aiming to drive Ukrainians away from the Oskil River: definitely away from Russian border and Vovchansk in particular. What I’m not sure about is the status of Ternova: haven’t found any reports from that place, yesterday.

A particularly unpleasant development from the frontlines north of Kharkiv is the deployment of the ISDM Zemledeliye system: this is a rocket-assisted, mine-launching weapon introduced to service only in 2020. Word is, ISDM-deployed mines have been sawn all the way down to northern outskirts of Kharkiv, the last few days.

That said, this effort might be quite pointless because 155mm howitzers recently delivered by the NATO can reach major Russian supply hubs — like Kupyansk, Svatove, or Starobilsk — from within Ukrainian-controlled territory west of the Oskil River and south of the Siversky Donets. The question is rather if Ukrainians can find an opportunity to start regularly shelling the local railways over ranges of 35 and more kilometres. Right now, this is not the case because new howitzers are busy repelling renewed Russian attacks - like the following one.

Izium….after a spate of defensive successes by Ukrainians over the last few weeks, there are bad news from the area south-east of this town, the last few days. At the time I wrote my last review, I mentioned reports that Ukrainians have withdrawn from Studenok: well, this turned out to be truth — and that with immediate and negative consequences for them. By the time Studenok fell, the RFA has repaired the railway line from Kupyansk to Studenok — just in time for Dvornikov and Zhidko to, reportedly, bring in an entirely new command into the combat zone: the 29th Combined Arms Army (CAA).

As a result of that appearance, Ukrainians have lost several important places, the last few days. On 4 or 5 June, defenders of Dovhenke were forced to withdraw, and then the RFA delivered a massive blow on the defences of Sviatohirsk. Sure, Ukrainians withdrew in good order and blew up the bridge to Bohorodichne. However, this was still a surprise because Sviatohirsk was supposed to have very good defence positions. Instead, by the morning of 6 June, the RFA secured most of that town.

A sad illustration for what kind of firepower are the Russians deploying in their latest offensive south-east of Izium: this is a satellite photo of the Dovhenke area, shown a crater with diameter of about 40 metres…

Early on 7 June, the Russian then launched an attack on Dolyna, and might have taken the same, before proceeding to attack Bohorodichne from the west — and that with extensive support of TOS-1s. Right now, I’m not sure if the Ukrainian garrison held all of this out.

Some analysis here… At least it can be said that Dvornikov’s and/or Zhidko’s intentions on this part of the frontline are clear. Yes, the RFA took Lyman and reached the Syversky Donets in the Raihorodok area. However, trying to cross there and assault Slovyansk from north-east would probably end in a disaster comparable to the one from about a month ago. Instead, the 29th CAA — if really there — appears to have the task of punching out of the problematic terrain in the Studenok-Sviatohirsk area, and reaching the open ground north of the road and railway line linking Barvinkove and Sloviansk. Now the question is once again that of Ukrainians rushing reinforcements to stop this advance, while hoping their units already in this area might hold out for long enough — and if the Russians have any capacity left to run a similar operation from the south…

The Siversky Donets frontline… The situation in between Staryi Karvan and Raihorodok seems to have quietened down a bit, the last 2–3 days: the Russians claim to have forced all Ukrainians to the southern side of Siversky Donets (and that all the way down to the area between Raihorodok and Starodubivka), but I’m not sure if this is entirely truth. The frontline along the Siversky Donets between there and Severodonetsk appears to be quiet, with Ukrainians holding a bridgehead north of the river in the Ozerne area.

Severodonetsk…. 3–4 days ago, Ukrainians have brought in elements of another brigade into the town. With help of fresh troops, they first pushed Russians out of the centre. The Russians then brought in reinforcements — primarily Separatist reservists — counterattacked, and pushed Ukrainians back by few streets. However, Ukrainians then attacked further east, and took Metolkine and Voronove, possibly advanced into the forest in direction of Novookhtyrka. Another Russian counterattack then pushed them back into Voronove and Borivske. Latest rumours have it that Ukrainians have withdrawn from Metolkine, yesterday, but are still holding Voronove…

What is surprising me by some is that Ukrainian GenStab seems to be able to keep its troops in the town well-supplied with ammunition, food, and water. One has to hope they’re not too preoccupied with this drama, though, and not only aware of what’s going on west of Sloviansk, but in possession of sufficient reserves there, too: stopping the RFA there is going to take much more than, say, 3rd and 4th Tank Brigades, and 1–2 Territorial Defence brigades.


Popasna…the last 3–4 days, the RFA seems to have withdrawn most of battered units out of the Popasna Bulge, and replaced them with several ‘fresh’ BTGs. For example, what was left of two BTGs of the 31st VDV Brigade (76th VDV Division) was withdrawn and replaced by at least a BTG from the 61st Naval Infantry Brigade. New troops were deployed to reinforce efforts to encircle Ukrainian forces in Zolote, north-east of Popasna (an effort that was very costly, while bringing no useful results, the last few days, ‘although’ the place is defended by a battalion of Territorial Defence lacking heavy weaponry), and to launch a new effort to cut the T1302 road between Bakhmut and Lysychansk. To secure this advance from Ukrainian counterattacks (and artillery observers) from the north, the Russians seem to have taken at least the western side of Vrubivka, again, and have attacked Mykolaivka, north-west of it. As of yesterday morning, there were reports according to which the RFA attacked Berestove and, later during the day, reached and cut the R1302 Road in that area.

South of the Popasna Bulge, the Russians attempted to attack the Vuhlehirska power plant, but were — reportedly — repelled with significant losses.

Avdiivka…. and I’m mentioning this just because some claim the Russians have captured the place: nope, the 9th Regiment of the DNR-Separatists is still (well) outside the place…

SOUTH

Davydiv Brid…The Russians have reinforced their efforts to cut off the salient held by Ukrainian units through advances on Andriivka (south) and Davydiv Brid (north) along the Inhulets River, both heavily supported by their artillery and Su-25s. So far, without more success than to stop Ukrainian assaults on Bruskynske and Kostromka. As long as Ukrainian flanks are holding out, everything is OK. But, if not…

Since 6 June, Ukrainians claim to have launched an attack over the first line of the Russian defence of Kherson, to have advanced for about 10km, and to have liberated the village of Blahodatne, 35km north-west of Kherson. Apparently, this was an artillery-supported infantry attack, which is a bit surprising considering massive concentrations of the Russian artillery in that part of Ukraine.

This operation wasn’t really that trouble-free, then it seems that the Russians knocked out one of bridges along the assault axis, stalling the advancing Ukrainians and then hitting them by Su-25s and artillery. That is at least what can be ‘read between the lines’ of this video-report:

[lajkujMe]

Sumorne vijesti od Coopera nista dobro nije rekao

[SanskiBiser]

Roman, naime, nije ništa kriv. Samo je strašno precijenjen i uzdignut u status istine. A to je samo "vojna fantazija" tog vremena, koja nema veze sa stvarnošću i istinom.

Gubiti vrijeme proučavajući tu knjigu, naravno, glupo je. A nije čak ni da je "Rat i mir" 100% "naftalin" i dosadno djelo. (Žanr "vojne fantazije" od tada je evoluirao i nudi mnogo uzbudljivije knjige ovog tipa.)

“Rat i mir” je konačno obezvrijeđen ukrajinskim ratom. Napokon se pokazalo da ruski vojnik nije mitski Platon Karatajev, već debil s toaletom u naručju. - Aleksandar Nevzorov.

@Bloo

[drug_profi]

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Ohladili ga njegovi. Pronađen sa pištoljem u ruci. Bezbeli je u sovjetskom maniru prijetio onima koji se povlace.

[drug_profi]

Ne znam kako ovo izvuci iz telegrama, ali eto nek gleda ko moze.

[lajkujMe]

Pre cool video dejstva UA su25

[Excel2]

Sumorne vijesti od Coopera nista dobro nije rekao

Iskreno u frontalnom ratu su Ukrajinci i duze izdrzali nego sto sam mislio. Rijetko koja EU zemlja bi imala ovakav performance. Kad uzmete u obzir stanje te vojske u 2014. ovo je top.

Ukoliko zapad zeli bolji performance i duzi iscrpljivanje Rusije, jednostavno je, neka posalje vise oruzija.

[sumirprimus]

sta je trenutno rjesenje? ako nije kupovina vremena? ako je meljaja i gube previse aktivne vojske onda ni kupovina vremena nema smisla?
znaju oninajbolje sta rade, no sta im je ovde rjesenje, povuci vosjku i pustit ruje u dubinu_?

[Čitalac]

Komunistička partija Rusije zatražila je oduzimanje/nacionalizaciju stana Elene Zelenski na Krimu kao i da državni organi utvrde da li je ukrajinski general Sergej Najev vlasnik luksuzne nekretnine nedaleko od Moskve. Ruski komunisti smatraju da bi taj stan mogao da posluži u procesu „namirivanja ratne štete“ u Donbasu.

[zilog]

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dzulijan javlja da u orci persli na drugu sstranu sd rijkeu ovom naselju

Jos jucer, su se Rusi hvalili da su zauzeli manastir Svjatohirska Pecina, koji je, kao i Tetjanivka, uz SD rijeku, pod liticomm, koja se dize sa juzne strane.


Ukrajinci vjerovatno nisu drzali vojsku u manastiru, orci forsirali SD i osigurali mostobran, ali slaba im je gajda, kada ih Ukrajinci i kod manastira i u Tetjanivki, imaju kao na dlanu. Ne vjerujem, da ce nekog prodora biti odavde...

[Mrljavi]

U maniru SAA