Ukrajina

[agent_zero]

Moderna i u ratu na bojnom bolju.

Slava ukrajinkama!

[sumirprimus]

slika manje vise, stotine slicnih, no ovi su se poceli i zebavat

[sumirprimus]

ruski gubici...
Ukupno
Russia - 1800, of which: destroyed: 879, damaged: 35, abandoned: 230, captured: 656

Tanks (280, of which destroyed: 117, damaged: 4, abandoned: 41, captured: 118)
Armoured Fighting Vehicles (202, of which destroyed: 90, abandoned: 34, captured: 78)
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (268, of which destroyed: 138, damaged: 2, abandoned: 31, captured: 94)
Armoured Personnel Carriers (74, of which destroyed: 19, abandoned: 17, captured: 38)
Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles (12, of which destroyed: 4, abandoned: 3, captured: 5)
Infantry Mobility Vehicles (60, of which destroyed: 32, damaged: 2, abandoned: 5, captured: 19)
Communications Stations (11, of which destroyed: 3, abandoned: 4, captured: 4)
Engineering Vehicles (50, of which destroyed: 16, abandoned: 8, captured: 26)
Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (62, of which abandoned: 24, captured: 38)
Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (24, of which captured: 24)
Heavy Mortars (5, of which captured: 5)
Towed Artillery (41, of which destroyed: 8, damaged: 2 abandoned: 5, captured: 26)
Self-Propelled Artillery (52, of which destroyed: 12, damaged: 2, abandoned: 15, captured: 22)
Multiple Rocket Launchers (33, of which destroyed: 15, abandoned: 5, captured: 14)
Anti-Aircraft Guns (2, of which captured: 2)
Surface-To-Air Missile Systems (40, of which destroyed: 20, damaged: 1, abandoned: 7, captured: 12)

Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (9, of which destroyed: 5, abandoned: 3, captured: 1)
Radars (2, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 1)
Jammers And Deception Systems (6, of which destroyed: 2, damaged: 2, captured: 2)
Aircraft (15, of which destroyed: 14, damaged: 1)
Helicopters (35, of which destroyed: 30, damaged: 3, abandoned: 2)
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (16, of which destroyed: 11, captured: 5)
Naval Ships (3, of which destroyed: 1, damaged: 2)
Logistics Trains (2, of which destroyed: 2)
Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (591, of which destroyed: 338, damaged: 16, abandoned: 59, captured: 167)


by oryx, uz pomoc tima ljudi koji to pomno prate i analiziraju svaki klip svaku sliku.

[Kikibombona]

Pozdrav raja. Vidim da je tema strasno patila dok me nije bilo...

Zbivanja u Ukrajini je poceo pratiti cuveni kartograf koji je svakodnevno objavljivao mape iz Kobanija, za vrijeme tursko-isilovske opsade

Marijupolj. Ne znam zasto, mislio sam da je grad manji, sa stotinjak hiljada stanovnika. Grad je mnogo veci, 450k stanovnika, 800k sa okolinom. Ruski zombiji su sjebali grad i samo Bog zna kada ce biti obnovljen.



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Od svega u ovom ratu, Ruse je najvise iznenadilo da se nijedan veci grad nije predao, da je ruska peta kolona sasvim mirna, da nema promjene strana itd. Istok Ukrajine je rusofon, sa milionskom ruskom populacijom, ali opet nema predaje gradova i pete kolone. Jedino se grad Krupjansk predao bez borbe, pa jucer gradonacelnik upozorava Zelenskog da ce on biti odgovoran ako se desi nesto njegovoj kcerci koju su kidnapovale ukrajinske sluzbe.

Citam komentare na stranici o Kramatorsku. Ukrajinski civili pisu kako u gradu ima dosta izdajnika/prorusa, da mnogi jedva cekaju ruske tenkove u gradu, pa je onda kod cudnije da nema diverzija. To je samo pokazatelj da ukrajinska vojska i sluzbe rade odlican posao. U Kramatorsku zivi 30% etnickih Rusa koji su potpuno mirni. I tako je u mnogim drugim gradovima na istoku.

[lajkujMe]

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Tom Cooper jutros (boldano je highlight za temu)

Good morning everybody!
Here’s my review for the last 48-60 hours (22-24 Mar, 22) - and it's going to be an unusually long report. Thus, grab yourself some coffee or tchay....
CAA - Combined Arms Army (Russia)
CO – commanding officer
BTG - Battalion Tactical Group (Russia)
GMRD - Guards Motor Rifle Division (Russia)
GTA - Guards Tank Army (Russia)
GTD - Guards Tank Division (Russia)
HQ - headquarters
IFV - infantry fighting vehicle
Keystone Cops - MOD in Moscow
LOC - Line of Control (old frontline between Ukraine and Separatists in the Donbass region)
MANPAD – man-protable air defence system
MBT - main battle tank
MRB - Motorized Rifle Brigade
MRD - Motorized Rifle Division
People in the Need of Fresh Air - Pentagon
PGM – precision guided munition
RFA – Russian Federation Army/Russian Armed Forces
RF-9xxxx - Russian military aviation registration
UAF – Ukrainian armed Forces
UCAV – unmanned combat aerial vehicle
VDV - Vozdushno-desantnye voyska (Russian Airborne forces)
VKS - Vozdushno-kosmicheskiye sily (Air-Space Force, Russia)
West OSK – Western Military District, RFA
STRATEGIC
Yesterday, on 24 Mar, it was one month since Putin’s special three-day denazification of Ukraine began…
Putin has ordered all the oil/gas exports henceforth have to be paid in Russian Rubel. This is both a bluff and a two-edged sword. On one side, currently valid contracts are all of the long-term kind: i.e. covering imports for not only this, but also the next year; indeed, many go all the way to 2024-2025. Of course, all are stipulating payments in €. Demanding payments in Rubel instead, would be a violation of such contract and – in long term – have massive penalties as a consequence (for Moscow). On the other side, this caused a rift within the EU: while nearly all of the members are now insistent on stopping all imports of Russian oil and gas, and even Germany and the Czech Republic might think twice about whether to continue importing, Austria is absolutely against such a decision. In an interview with the Austrian TV, Glorious Megastar Chancellor Nehamer (ÖVP, where members openly call themselves 'whores of the rich') stressed that there is no way he's going to support a complete stop, right away.
As far as I know, that was the stand from the last evening, and nothing has changed in this regards – not even when Biden made offers for US deliveries.
So, now, in order to pay Russian oil/gas in Rubel, Austria (and others) has/have to buy Rubel - from the Russian Central Bank, the assets of which are frozen by sanctions imposed by the EU. I.e. members of the EU have to subvert their own sanctions....
AIR
The Ukrainians claimed 11 Russian airborne targets (5 jets, 1 helicopter, 4 UAVs, and 1 ballistic missile) as shot down on 23 Mar – for their ‘best day’ in this war so far - and another 8 on 24 Mar. Haven’t found any kind of evidence for anything of this (just one new video, shown wreckage of a Mi-24/35 shot down on 5 Mar).
The People in the Need of Fresh Air say the Russians have fired over 1,200 ballistic missiles in four weeks of war, and assumes they have spent about 50% of their stock of air- and sea-launched cruise missiles (especially those launched by Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers).
An Ukrainian An-124 is known to have landed at Tekirdag Corlu IAP, from which the Bayraktar UCAVs are exported, yesterday. Probably picking additional drones and ammo. I can add that ‘elements of the Ukrainian air force’ are active in relation to similar efforts, ‘elsewhere in Europe’, but I do not feel at free to go into details. Let me just add (because this is ‘week old news’, meanwhile), that Ukraine is meanwhile receiving plenty of additional arms – including specific types of heavy arms, some delivered by transport aircraft, others by other means – the mass of which is never mentioned by US, NATO, and EU reports with a single word.
NORTH
By now it is sure: north-west of Kyiv, the Ukrainian Army is on offensive. However, that’s no ‘classic’, large-scale operation with a simultaneous push from multiple directions. Rather, it’s a series of drives launched at different points in time and place, through and deep behind the Russian frontlines, with the aim of disturbing their ‘rear’. See: blowing up their camps, supply depots, HQs or causing other kind of losses, and then quickly withdrawing before the RFA can intervene with superior forces or artillery. The Ukrainians are liberating very little of terrain in this fashion: AFAIK, they’ve secured only Lukyanivka and Lukashi, the last two days. Instead, they are causing losses to the 35th and 36th CAA, and then trying to avoid counter-blows. It is an effective method of forcing the Russians back, outside the 25km range of their artillery from the downtown Kyiv. It is effective in keeping the 35th and the 36th CAA on defensive, but is insufficient to destroy them, or encircle and cause their capitulation.
East of Kyiv, the Ukrainians have forced the 90th TD and other Russian forces to withdraw from Brovary to Bohdanivka, and the 2nd GMRD to withdraw away from the highway to Poltava and Lukyanivka, to Nova Basan and Novi Bykiv. Indeed, it is possible that by today, these were forced to pull back all the way to the eastern side of the Suply River.
The reason the Ukrainians have managed this is that already 3-4 days ago (sorry, didn’t dare revealing this in the public at the time), the Ukrainians attacked from the south into the deep flank of the 2nd GCAA. For example, I know that at the time they have liberated several villages only 5-10km south of the H-07 highway. For example: Hostroluchchya, possibly Voitove and Usivka.
Now, whether the 2nd GCAA had to withdraw all the way back to Suply or ‘just’ to Bohdanivka, one thing is sure: the Russian assault into eastern Kyiv is now over. If I’m to ask, this is the most significant success of the Ukrainians in this war, far more so than NW of their capitol. Furthermore, it’s interesting to see the Ukrainians ‘can survive’ a battle in the open spaces, where the Russians have it easier to find and target them, than inside cities.
NORTH-EAST
Since 23 Mar, the RFA is assaulting the town of Slavutych. This is on the eastern side of the Dnepr, about 100km north of Kyiv, and south of Chernobyl. The place is best known for its nuclear facilities. Ironically, the area was widely considered as ‘already under the Russian control’ almost since the RFA took Chernobyl, but now it turns out they didn’t get there before. First news are indicating the local checkpoints and outposts being shelled, followed by a Russian advance down the western and then southern side of the town. Guess, by now it might be surrounded, i.e. cut off from Kyiv – except the Ukrainians have managed to counterattack from or towards the south.
The VKS bombed Chernihiv violently, all through 22 and 23 Mar, causing dozens of fires. It bombed out a bridge across the Desna River, cutting off the last significant road connection to Kyiv and thus interrupting evacuation of local civilians. However, on the ground, the 41st CAA actually withdrew a few kilometres away: i.e. it broke the direct contact with Ukrainian garrison. It’s only keeping Chernihiv under continuous air strikes and artillery barrages.
The Russians are ‘only’ shelling Sumy, but the 1st GTA (by now reinforced to more than 20 BTGs, foremost from the 4th GTD) is bitterly assaulting Okhtyrka and Trostyanets, further south. The fighting for these two Ukrainian garrisons is going on for some 3-4 days without interruption now, and both towns should’ve been reduced to piles of rubble: reportedly, the Russians are in control of about half of Trostyanets, but still outside Okhtyrka.
This is a kind of battle of attrition which the Ukrainians can’t win in long term: they lack resources and firepower.
EAST
Kharkiv: not much changed there: the frontlines are idle for nearly a week now, but the Russians are bombing and shelling at will. Much more serious is the situation south-east of Kharkiv – in the Izium area. The Russians are particularly active in the Izium area, which they claim to have captured (by their 144th MRD). This is nothing but a lie: if the place is as ‘unimportant’ and ‘captured’ as the Keystone Cops in Moscow are reporting, then why report about it at all? Moreover, if it’s captured, then why shell the ruins of Izium with incendiaries – as obvious from the attached photo, taken by the mayor of the town, on the evening of 23 Mar?
Except for trying to secure Izium, the 144th is also attacking Petrivske, further west. As far as I can say by now, the Ukrainians must have deployed at least one of their reserve brigades there, because their positions are holding out for some 4-5 days already.
That said, Izium is going to remain the focal area of this war at least for the next few days.
Reason? Because the Ukrainians have mauled the 42nd GMRD’s attempt to attack Zhitomir so badly, and then caused it further heavy losses in the Malynivka area, east of Hulaypolye, yesterday, that the 58th CAA is now entirely unable to re-launch its advance from the south - and because the 8th CAA is so busy with besieging Mariupol that it lacks troops to attack the Ukrainians on the LOC from the south.
In the Luhansk area the Russians continued pounding Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, and Popasna with artillery, but didn’t launch any new attacks. However, the 8th CAA and Separatists have punched through the first and second Ukrainian defence lines and entered the centre of Verkhnotoretske, north of Donetsk, early on 23 Mar.
This is bad news: it’s forcing the Ukrainians to either withdraw from their positions south of Horlivka, or to counterattack in attempt to recover the place, and thus expose themselves to the superior enemy firepower. I’m not yet sure what did they decide.
SOUTH
Mariupol: about 80% of the city is heavily damaged meanwhile. Essentially, it’s a collection of ruins, with thousands of dead and dying inside. Whoever can is picking bodies and burying them in local parks.
What happened with people sheltering under the Drama Theatre and the Swimming Pool is only partially known. About 5,000 civilians were evacuated from Mariupol to Zaporozhye during the last three days. Between them were few survivors of the intentional Russian air strike on the Drama Theatre, on 16 Mar, and thus it is now known that about 400 people that were inside the shelter in the basement have survived. However, at least 200, perhaps as many as 300 – foremost those working in the field kitchen, waiting for water, and all the volunteers helping – were killed, most of them on the spot (at least because of impossibility to provide them with first aid, or bring them to nearby hospitals). Meanwhile, the ruins of the Drama Theatre are on the frontline, as the 68th Regiment of the 150th MRD has reached the area: thus, it's certain that the Russians are going to do their utmost to remove all traces of this massacre.
Another 7,000 citizens of Mariupol were deported by the Russians over the last two days – and many more are to follow: the Rosgvardia is driving around the city and announcing per loudspeakers, that an evacuation to Zaporozhye is now impossible.
Despite having their 810th Naval Infantry Brigade mauled in downtown Mariupol (including the death of its commander), on 20 and 21 Mar, the Russians pushed the Chechens and Rosgvardia to attack into the southern centre of the city so hard, on 23, the Ukrainian garrison was forced to withdraw from the airport (west of the city) in order to bolster their defences of governmental buildings in the area north of the port, while the Azov drove out its few T-64s that are still operational.
This is a typical result of urban fighting: it takes plenty of troops to secure relatively small areas that are densely built-up.
The defenders – including an infantry and the tank battalion of the Azov Regiment, the 56th Motorised and the 36th Marine Brigade – still control the city centre, the Myra Avenue, part of the Primorsky District and Kalmiusky District: i.e. something like 16 out of city’s 23 neighbourhoods. They have claimed a VKS fighter-bomber shot down, on 22 Mar, too, but their messages are clear: they are demanding help with the Russian airpower, because this is causing most of civilian deaths.
Local authorities are estimating that around 100,000 civilians are still inside the area controlled by the Ukrainian forces. Commander of the local Police, General Aroskin, offered to give himself to the Russians, in exchange for guarantee that all the remaining children would be left out. So far, there was no response from Mizintsev (CO 8th CAA and thus the commander of the siege of Mariupol).
Further west…. An accident during the unloading of the Alligator-class amphib Orsk in the port of Berdyansk resulted in a major conflagration that wrecked the ship. Two other amphibs – both of the Ropucha-class – were damaged, but managed to distance on time. (Yes, sure: the Ukrainians claimed to have hit this ship with a Tochka-U; and, no doubt, they did try to do so, several days ago. But, videos shown the onset of this conflagration do not show any kind of a missile hit; rather a relatively small detonation on the ship.)
The 49th CAA’s position in the Kherson area remains poor, and thus its command brought in an engineering brigade to quickly construct a defence line along western approaches to the city. In turn, Ukrainians are held at bay with help of airpower. However, on 22 Mar, one of VKS air strikes hit own troops in the Mykolaiv area, reportedly obliterating an entire column of RFA’s military vehicles (this is based on intercepted RFA radio-traffic). The last night (24 to 25 Mar), the Ukrainians have heavily hit the RFA troops at the Kherson airport – this time with a massive MLRS-barrage. The Russians ‘retaliated’ with at least one Kalibr cruise missile: this should’ve hit someplace in the port of Mykolaiv.

Ukratko

1)Ukrajinci su najvise stete napravili na istoku od Kijeva i dobro ih porokali
2) Zapadna strana Kijeva nije okruzena Ruska vojska niti je klasicna kontra nego buc buc tu i tamo da se malo pomalo unisti Ruska vojska
3) 70% Marijupolja i dalje pod kontrolom Azova i Marinaca ali nece dugo izdrzati, Rusi imaju teske gubitke
4) Najgore po Ukrajince je istocna fronta prijeti im okruzenje i Rusi mic po mic napreduju.
5) U generalu Kijevska borba, Sumi oblast i Kharkiv oblast Rusi nemaju dovoljno BTGa za direktne konfrontacije i trenutno izbjegavaju Kontakt s Ukrajincima.
6) Rusi su presli s direktnog kontakta na artiljerijsku tucu (to objasnjava pad gubitaka kod Rusa) Ukrajinci se iznenadjujuce dobro nose s Rusima na otvorenom
Jedino kod Cherniva ulaze u kontakt s Ukrajincima ali ne mogu uzeti prostor 20btg se nalazi oko Cherniva i ne pokusavaju uzeti grad nego okolinu

[Nierika]

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Matori uhvaceni u pljacki u selu, za kaznu moraju cijeli dan ovako provesti pored puta, rekli im da ce ako ponove kradje gurnuti ih niz brdo da se kotrljaju.

@Nierika se ocekuje da komentarise "Ovo nije ok."

Izdržaće valjda jedan dan, a i nema nekih brutalnih metoda koliko vidim na slici.

[apsidejzi]

Ovo ako je istina je velika pobjeda zapada.
To znaci da i ostali mogu vrlo brzo da se skinu s Ruskog gasa do kraja godine.
Ali isto tako ljuti me jer ako su ovako brzi sta su cekali ovolike godine

Putin placao njemacke kancelare i ostale politicare. Masno placao. Sad se gura prica kako "zeleni" nisu dali nuklearne elektrane pa su vremenom postali ovisni o ruskom gasu a u sustini svaki veci njemacki politicar je od 2000-e omastio brk o ruske pare na ovaj ili onaj nacin. Sad kad je mecka zaigrala i kad su se Ameri i britanci digli a svabe uvidile kako su ranjivi onda daj rjesavaj problem. Doduse, ja ni ne sumnjam da ce se njemacka iscupati za godinu dana. Oni su veoma ustrajni i organizovani i za kratko vrijeme mogu uraditi mnogo posla. POgotovo kad se nafuraju. Hitler je za par godina od totalno ovisne njemacke napravio svjetsku silu koja umalo dobi svjetski rat. Rusi nemaju pojma kakvog su medvjeda carnuli.

[zilog]

Ovo ako je istina je velika pobjeda zapada.
To znaci da i ostali mogu vrlo brzo da se skinu s Ruskog gasa do kraja godine.
Ali isto tako ljuti me jer ako su ovako brzi sta su cekali ovolike godine

Zar je neko stvarno pomislio da je LNG duplo skuplji od ovog sto se pumpa gasovodima?
Po tome bi Kina vec davno propala.
Sva ta prica, uglavnom dolazi od malobrojnog korumpiranog kruga, koja se onda, propagandnom masinerijom, replicira zaglupljenim narodnim masama.

[sumirprimus]

juzno od donjecka nesto im je zestoko podbacilo

[sumirprimus]

oko harkiva pakako opet, napalo sad i aerodrom.

[sumirprimus]

muzika ko prije one reportaze na 60 minuta kad prate nase politicaer il one ratne zlocince

[zilog]

nista ovi rusi, nemocni da napreduju sada samo se oslanjaju na artiljeriju..

strateski su ih ukri dobili, jer nisu pali šaptom za dva dana. rusija krvari opasno, nikad gore sankcije izolacija. izgubljena ukrajina emotivno, psihicki ,fizicki, ideoloski, krv je pala, samo jedan put odavde je a to je nizbrdo.
nazalost ukri ce platiti najvecu cijenu evropske slobode. i zato ih treba posle svega nagradit kako ekonomski tako i nekim vidom priznnanja dal kroz eu ili slicne org ne znam ni ja. nako nsveega sta su predeverali zasluzili su. ko i mi jel

Upravo tako, Ukrajinci placaju cijenu evropske slobode. Da nisu, sutra bi se ovakav rat vodio na Baltiku, ili Poljskoj, Rumuniji... Isto kao sto smo mi platili cijenu da bi se Makedonija i CG mogli u miru izvuci od komsijskog zagrljaja...

[Nierika]

Kyiv region. Fighting continues in Bucha district. Hottest points being Bucha, Irpin, Hostomel, Makariv, villages of Nemishaiv community. In Vzshhorod district the enemy came close to Slavutych, the city is isolated. Successful defense operation was performed in Brovary district.

Donetsk region. Mariinka, Avdiivka have been under fire for the whole night and morning. Civilians are injured.

Mykolaiv region. Two missiles were shot down above Mykolaiv this night.

Kherson region. Powerful explosions detected at night within the regional center and near Mykolaiv region. Occupants dig trenches and fire the AFU locations placed in Dnipro and Mykolaiv regions.

[agnostic_front]

Ovo ako je istina je velika pobjeda zapada.
To znaci da i ostali mogu vrlo brzo da se skinu s Ruskog gasa do kraja godine.
Ali isto tako ljuti me jer ako su ovako brzi sta su cekali ovolike godine

Sad će Zeleni kmečati.

Zbog?

[sumirprimus]

pa zeleni eko cista i sigurna priroda i to, sve kontra od nuklearne enrgije, vidi pod cernobil

[Raigor Stonehoof]

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obojci

Bože!!!
Nije džabe rečeno da insan uči dok je živ... tek sad skontah šta znači "kome opanci, kome obojci", a čitav život slušam tu mudrost

Samo još nađite da ruska vojska nema ni zagaća, već se omotaju pelenom...
Nemaju ni za čorapa, a a nadigli se osvajati svijet...Bože dragi, žali sve one mladosti...
Nema dalje, nek gase struju i motaju kablove....

ja sam bio ubijedjen da je "odojci", kao svinje, i nisam nikad skontao sta znaci izreka

[agnostic_front]

pa zeleni eko cista i sigurna priroda i to, sve kontra od nuklearne enrgije, vidi pod cernobil

Pa citam clanak i pise da hoce da ukinu i uvoz uglja iz Rusije, a nisu navedene alternative.

[zigzag]

pa zeleni eko cista i sigurna priroda i to, sve kontra od nuklearne enrgije, vidi pod cernobil

Pa citam clanak i pise da hoce da ukinu i uvoz uglja iz Rusije, a nisu navedene alternative.

Mogu iz Kreke. Samo malo da ulože i nađu prave radnike.

[sumirprimus]

džejms vaskez je za desetak dana posto tviter zvijezda...
btw ima ratno iskustvo tur u iraku i afganistanu znaci nije "civil"..


ovde odgoovara na zaebancije od juce da ne raspoznaje tenk od oklopnjaka..

[splinter]

Bože!!!
Nije džabe rečeno da insan uči dok je živ... tek sad skontah šta znači "kome opanci, kome obojci", a čitav život slušam tu mudrost

Samo još nađite da ruska vojska nema ni zagaća, već se omotaju pelenom...
Nemaju ni za čorapa, a a nadigli se osvajati svijet...Bože dragi, žali sve one mladosti...
Nema dalje, nek gase struju i motaju kablove....

ja sam bio ubijedjen da je "odojci", kao svinje, i nisam nikad skontao sta znaci izreka

I ja sam isto mislio čitav život. Mogao sam se negdje kvalitetno prosuti, srećom pa nisam

[sumirprimus]

za bratiju sa teme koji razumiju!

[SanskiBiser]

Odesa, pano pobijedili smo Hitlera pobijedicemo i Putlera.

[sumirprimus]

negsje je pisao ukr sof 8ma ...

[sumirprimus]

irpin..

[jefff]

Pozdrav raja. Vidim da je tema strasno patila dok me nije bilo...

Zbivanja u Ukrajini je poceo pratiti cuveni kartograf koji je svakodnevno objavljivao mape iz Kobanija, za vrijeme tursko-isilovske opsade

Marijupolj. Ne znam zasto, mislio sam da je grad manji, sa stotinjak hiljada stanovnika. Grad je mnogo veci, 450k stanovnika, 800k sa okolinom. Ruski zombiji su sjebali grad i samo Bog zna kada ce biti obnovljen.



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Od svega u ovom ratu, Ruse je najvise iznenadilo da se nijedan veci grad nije predao, da je ruska peta kolona sasvim mirna, da nema promjene strana itd. Istok Ukrajine je rusofon, sa milionskom ruskom populacijom, ali opet nema predaje gradova i pete kolone. Jedino se grad Krupjansk predao bez borbe, pa jucer gradonacelnik upozorava Zelenskog da ce on biti odgovoran ako se desi nesto njegovoj kcerci koju su kidnapovale ukrajinske sluzbe.

Citam komentare na stranici o Kramatorsku. Ukrajinski civili pisu kako u gradu ima dosta izdajnika/prorusa, da mnogi jedva cekaju ruske tenkove u gradu, pa je onda kod cudnije da nema diverzija. To je samo pokazatelj da ukrajinska vojska i sluzbe rade odlican posao. U Kramatorsku zivi 30% etnickih Rusa koji su potpuno mirni. I tako je u mnogim drugim gradovima na istoku.

Karta je pretenciozna. Azov Still nije u ruskim rukama. Sto se tice pete kolone mislim da bi Zelenski njima trebo dat entitet 49. posto Ukrajine. Nista manje.