Ukrajina

[jao_situacije]

Bio je jedini Antonov 225
Ovo je Antonov 124 njih ima oko 50 kom

Hvala za info.

ja mislim da je an225 ustvari modifikacija an124, ali nisam siguran.. čini mi se kao kroz maglu da sam to negdje čitao
vjerovatno ga mogu ponovo napraviti

[jao_situacije]

karta sa brojem ubijene djece u ukrajini od početka agresije

[lajkujMe]

Novi trofej

[sumirprimus]

malo i karti jelte, sa presjekom stanja od 21 do 24og ovog mjeseca.
jomini ..

[sitni svercer]

frisak trofej, kaze neispravan ne moze ici ali top i sve ostalo radi.

ipak su ga nasi previse razjebuzili

[ketronsd1]

To je bila priprema za ovaj i druge ratove. Ukrajina i svaka druga država će se slabije braniti, ako njeni građani ne vjeruju vlastima. Odatle i priča o Zelinskom kao milijarderu sa jahtama i avionima.

Pa Putin je izmislio farme trolova koji šire laži po potrebi za njegovu korist. Imaju snimci zgrada od deset spratova u Rusiji gdje mladi ljudi rade na poslu širenja teorija zavjere. Imate svjedočenja ljudi koji su radili.

Putin je glavni sponzor toga, sa ciljem urušavanja povjerenja ljudi, prije svega na zapadu, u zvanične autoritete: nauku, politiku, medije, društvene vrijednosti...

Događanja na Capitol Hillu su rezultat toga. Kamiondžije u Kanadi...

Trump je dokazano Putinov čovjek koji je za 19% Rosneft-a, najveće ruske naftne kompanije, trebao da USA izbaci iz NATO saveza i oslabi EU svojim djelovanjem. Sjetite se podrške Brexitu, desničarima...

Putin je i glavni sponzor desničarskog smeća širom svijeta. Orban, Farage, Janša, Dodik... Oni su trebali da pokrenu val suverenističkih pokreta koji su trebali da oslabe EU toliko da Putin može preuzimati jednu po jednu državu, a da se EU kao savez ne aktivira.

Vučić je Putinov urotnik i radi po zajedničkom planu. Ima par mjeseci kako se pojavila gomila trolova na ovom forumu sa ciljem širenja defetizma. Ko će ratovati, šiša ratnici, ko rat želio u kući mu bio... Po tome se moglo zaključiti da se nešto iza brda valja.

Veza korona teoretičara zavjera, desničara, suverenista, flat earth luđaka... nije nimalo slučajna. Putin je formirao ozbiljnu vojsku da to rade.

I u velikoj mjeri je uspio. Komentari na vijesti u Ukrajini iz Srbije pokazuju da ogroman broj ljudi ne vjeruje svojim očima. Sve je montaža, laž, propaganda...

Ukrajina je trebala biti samo prvi zalogaj, poslije čega su se ostatku svijeta trebale tresti gaće. Onda bi se aktivirali spavači koji bi nas uvodili u razum, objašnjavali cijene nafte, plina, hrane... Onda ide priča o korumpiranim zapadnim vrijednostima, gdje je Rusija pravi lijek.

Pa na ovoj temi se pojavi svako malo jedan trol sa tom agendom. Poput onog što je perfidno lagao da je u pola marta u Italiji dobio račun za plin osam puta veći od prošlog mjeseca, pa kad sam ga razotkrio, samo je nestao sa teme. I opet će doći sa drugim nickom.

Zato je u modernim drustvima izuzetno bitno da vlasti imaju konstantni kontakt sa gradjanima. Evo na primjer u Svedskoj, u dobu korone, drzavni infektolozi su svaki dan u 2 sata stajali pred kamere i odgovarali na sva moguca pitanja novinara. Nekada to nisu bila ni malo lagana pitanja. Kasnije, kad je malo poodmaklo svelo se na dva dana u sedmici a na kraju samo na jedan dan. Izabran je cetvrtak. i tak oje bilo sve do kraja januara ove godine.

Sad kad je pocelo ovo sa Ukrajinom, svedsko ministarstvo odbrane izlazi pred medije svakog cetvrtka i daje update te odgovara na pitanja.

I ovi potezi ulijevaju sigurnost i povjerenje gradjana u svoje institucije. Kad je bila kampanja za vakcinaciju, bukvalno svi u svedskoj su se gurali da dobiju vakcinu. Jedini koji se nisu htjeli vakcinisati su bili stranci i to uglavnom sa balkana i iz afrike. Ja cesto idem na svedske forume i tu se vidi akcija ovih rusofila. Citajuci te postove cesto mi se ucini kao da neki srbi pisu postove. Isti ovi nasi rusofili na ovom forumu. Isti koncept.

I ovo je slaba karika trolova. Uvezanost ljudi. Kada ljudi nisu uvezani onda oni mogu operirati i davati poluistine. Medjutim, kada se ljudi organizuju onda ovi nemaju prostora za manevar. Evo vidimo i na ovom forumu. Sve suplje koje dodju vrlo brzo bivaju provaljene. Al istina je da imas placene ljude koji sire propagandu i slabe povjerenje u drzavne institucije.

Ja ih na poslu imam koji dizu putina u nebesa. Srbi naravno i to jos sa Kosova. Kazem ovom jednom momak smiri ili prijava ide, pa ti izaberi. Kurcio se jos jedan dan i onda opomena. sad je ko bubica miran. Pitam ove nase sto rade sa njim kakav je sad. Kazu putina ni u usta ne uzima

[jarobot]

Matori uhvaceni u pljacki u selu, za kaznu moraju cijeli dan ovako provesti pored puta, rekli im da ce ako ponove kradje gurnuti ih niz brdo da se kotrljaju.

@Nierika se ocekuje da komentarise "Ovo nije ok."

I mi imamo 3 kandidata , ali bi za jednog trebalo traktorsku gumu naći !!!

[SanskiBiser]

Moderna i u ratu na bojnom bolju.

[jarobot]

Novi trofej

Čekaj koji su ovo sa plavim trakama ?

[zilog]

kao da nisu bili pod propagandom i prije putine hehe
komsije mislim, pa imaju amneziju na devedesete...
malo oftopika

Selektivnu parcijalnu amneziju, 99' se odlicno sjecaju

Mani se offtopika...
Pasce opet Iskander medju vas, ili ovaj "hipersonicni" Mindzal, pa cu opet heftu buljiti u gotovo praznu temu...

[agent_zero]

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Novi trofej

Čekaj koji su ovo sa plavim trakama ?

Ukrajinska vojska.

Nije ih teško raspoznati jer nose digitalnu maskirnu šaru, za razliku od rusa.

[sumirprimus]

znaci nisu jos ni zauzeli grad ni pobili sve sto su mogli, a vec otvaraju ured putlerove stranke. ko fola nije njegova. kontam kontam

[sumirprimus]

malo za citanja, u citanju je spas

Maps: Tracking the Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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March 23, 2022

Where Russian forces have made advances in eastern Ukraine
Russian advances have stalled on multiple fronts, including areas north of Kyiv and in the south around Mykolaiv, but Russian forces have continued to make slow but consistent territorial gains in eastern Ukraine, where they aim to isolate large parts of the Ukrainian army.

Over the past week, fighting has been fierce in many towns and villages along the front lines, and Russian forces have made advances from territory in the Donbas region, where Russian-backed separatists took over in 2014. Russia has advanced west in Donetsk toward the region’s border and northwest toward Izium.

Russian forces are likely to have two strategic targets in the Donbas. The Russian military aims to advance the front line toward the administrative border of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, and to also link up forces in the Donbas with troops from Crimea and south of Kharkiv, according to military analysts. Connecting these forces could isolate Ukrainian troops fighting on the front line near Donbas or force them to retreat, which would be a major strategic victory for the Russians.

Mariupol, an important port city that has been holding out against a Russian siege for more than three weeks now, remains in Ukrainian control, frustrating Russian forces in their goal to control a corridor from Donetsk to Crimea. Russian troops have advanced on Mariupol from both the east and west in recent days, while continuing to shell residential buildings in the city and reinforce artillery positions north of the city.

Some of the most intense fighting has been for the city of Severodonetsk in Luhansk. The Ukrainian armed forces report nearly daily attacks on the city, but it currently remains in Ukrainian hands. The city is on a crucial advance northwest toward Izium, which Russian troops have also repeatedly attacked from the north.

Josh Holder, Scott Reinhard, Lazaro Gamio and Denise Lu

March 25, 2022

NATO sharply increases its forces in Eastern Europe
NATO announced it is doubling, to eight, the number of countries in Eastern Europe where the alliance is deploying battlegroups. The decision to bolster its presence in the region signals growing concerns for how Russia may respond to the increasing diplomatic and economic penalties it is facing over its monthlong invasion of Ukraine.

The new NATO battlegroups in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia join similar forces in Baltic countries and Poland — which are also growing in size.

“We have a responsibility to ensure that the war does not escalate beyond Ukraine, and become a conflict between NATO and Russia,” said Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s secretary general.

A little more than a quarter of all troops under direct NATO command are now in Poland, which shares a large border with the western part of Ukraine. An additional 120,000 troops from Poland’s military are at the ready — the most of any host country in the alliance.

Mr. Stoltenberg, speaking to reporters a day before a major summit of European allies in Brussels, said: “We face a new reality for our security. So we must reset our deterrence and defense for the longer-term.”

Scott Reinhard and Azi Paybarah

[SanskiBiser]

Tom Cooper jutros (boldano je highlight za temu)

Good morning everybody!
Here’s my review for the last 48-60 hours (22-24 Mar, 22) - and it's going to be an unusually long report. Thus, grab yourself some coffee or tchay....
CAA - Combined Arms Army (Russia)
CO – commanding officer
BTG - Battalion Tactical Group (Russia)
GMRD - Guards Motor Rifle Division (Russia)
GTA - Guards Tank Army (Russia)
GTD - Guards Tank Division (Russia)
HQ - headquarters
IFV - infantry fighting vehicle
Keystone Cops - MOD in Moscow
LOC - Line of Control (old frontline between Ukraine and Separatists in the Donbass region)
MANPAD – man-protable air defence system
MBT - main battle tank
MRB - Motorized Rifle Brigade
MRD - Motorized Rifle Division
People in the Need of Fresh Air - Pentagon
PGM – precision guided munition
RFA – Russian Federation Army/Russian Armed Forces
RF-9xxxx - Russian military aviation registration
UAF – Ukrainian armed Forces
UCAV – unmanned combat aerial vehicle
VDV - Vozdushno-desantnye voyska (Russian Airborne forces)
VKS - Vozdushno-kosmicheskiye sily (Air-Space Force, Russia)
West OSK – Western Military District, RFA
STRATEGIC
Yesterday, on 24 Mar, it was one month since Putin’s special three-day denazification of Ukraine began…
Putin has ordered all the oil/gas exports henceforth have to be paid in Russian Rubel. This is both a bluff and a two-edged sword. On one side, currently valid contracts are all of the long-term kind: i.e. covering imports for not only this, but also the next year; indeed, many go all the way to 2024-2025. Of course, all are stipulating payments in €. Demanding payments in Rubel instead, would be a violation of such contract and – in long term – have massive penalties as a consequence (for Moscow). On the other side, this caused a rift within the EU: while nearly all of the members are now insistent on stopping all imports of Russian oil and gas, and even Germany and the Czech Republic might think twice about whether to continue importing, Austria is absolutely against such a decision. In an interview with the Austrian TV, Glorious Megastar Chancellor Nehamer (ÖVP, where members openly call themselves 'whores of the rich') stressed that there is no way he's going to support a complete stop, right away.
As far as I know, that was the stand from the last evening, and nothing has changed in this regards – not even when Biden made offers for US deliveries.
So, now, in order to pay Russian oil/gas in Rubel, Austria (and others) has/have to buy Rubel - from the Russian Central Bank, the assets of which are frozen by sanctions imposed by the EU. I.e. members of the EU have to subvert their own sanctions....
AIR
The Ukrainians claimed 11 Russian airborne targets (5 jets, 1 helicopter, 4 UAVs, and 1 ballistic missile) as shot down on 23 Mar – for their ‘best day’ in this war so far - and another 8 on 24 Mar. Haven’t found any kind of evidence for anything of this (just one new video, shown wreckage of a Mi-24/35 shot down on 5 Mar).
The People in the Need of Fresh Air say the Russians have fired over 1,200 ballistic missiles in four weeks of war, and assumes they have spent about 50% of their stock of air- and sea-launched cruise missiles (especially those launched by Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers).
An Ukrainian An-124 is known to have landed at Tekirdag Corlu IAP, from which the Bayraktar UCAVs are exported, yesterday. Probably picking additional drones and ammo. I can add that ‘elements of the Ukrainian air force’ are active in relation to similar efforts, ‘elsewhere in Europe’, but I do not feel at free to go into details. Let me just add (because this is ‘week old news’, meanwhile), that Ukraine is meanwhile receiving plenty of additional arms – including specific types of heavy arms, some delivered by transport aircraft, others by other means – the mass of which is never mentioned by US, NATO, and EU reports with a single word.
NORTH
By now it is sure: north-west of Kyiv, the Ukrainian Army is on offensive. However, that’s no ‘classic’, large-scale operation with a simultaneous push from multiple directions. Rather, it’s a series of drives launched at different points in time and place, through and deep behind the Russian frontlines, with the aim of disturbing their ‘rear’. See: blowing up their camps, supply depots, HQs or causing other kind of losses, and then quickly withdrawing before the RFA can intervene with superior forces or artillery. The Ukrainians are liberating very little of terrain in this fashion: AFAIK, they’ve secured only Lukyanivka and Lukashi, the last two days. Instead, they are causing losses to the 35th and 36th CAA, and then trying to avoid counter-blows. It is an effective method of forcing the Russians back, outside the 25km range of their artillery from the downtown Kyiv. It is effective in keeping the 35th and the 36th CAA on defensive, but is insufficient to destroy them, or encircle and cause their capitulation.
East of Kyiv, the Ukrainians have forced the 90th TD and other Russian forces to withdraw from Brovary to Bohdanivka, and the 2nd GMRD to withdraw away from the highway to Poltava and Lukyanivka, to Nova Basan and Novi Bykiv. Indeed, it is possible that by today, these were forced to pull back all the way to the eastern side of the Suply River.
The reason the Ukrainians have managed this is that already 3-4 days ago (sorry, didn’t dare revealing this in the public at the time), the Ukrainians attacked from the south into the deep flank of the 2nd GCAA. For example, I know that at the time they have liberated several villages only 5-10km south of the H-07 highway. For example: Hostroluchchya, possibly Voitove and Usivka.
Now, whether the 2nd GCAA had to withdraw all the way back to Suply or ‘just’ to Bohdanivka, one thing is sure: the Russian assault into eastern Kyiv is now over. If I’m to ask, this is the most significant success of the Ukrainians in this war, far more so than NW of their capitol. Furthermore, it’s interesting to see the Ukrainians ‘can survive’ a battle in the open spaces, where the Russians have it easier to find and target them, than inside cities.
NORTH-EAST
Since 23 Mar, the RFA is assaulting the town of Slavutych. This is on the eastern side of the Dnepr, about 100km north of Kyiv, and south of Chernobyl. The place is best known for its nuclear facilities. Ironically, the area was widely considered as ‘already under the Russian control’ almost since the RFA took Chernobyl, but now it turns out they didn’t get there before. First news are indicating the local checkpoints and outposts being shelled, followed by a Russian advance down the western and then southern side of the town. Guess, by now it might be surrounded, i.e. cut off from Kyiv – except the Ukrainians have managed to counterattack from or towards the south.
The VKS bombed Chernihiv violently, all through 22 and 23 Mar, causing dozens of fires. It bombed out a bridge across the Desna River, cutting off the last significant road connection to Kyiv and thus interrupting evacuation of local civilians. However, on the ground, the 41st CAA actually withdrew a few kilometres away: i.e. it broke the direct contact with Ukrainian garrison. It’s only keeping Chernihiv under continuous air strikes and artillery barrages.
The Russians are ‘only’ shelling Sumy, but the 1st GTA (by now reinforced to more than 20 BTGs, foremost from the 4th GTD) is bitterly assaulting Okhtyrka and Trostyanets, further south. The fighting for these two Ukrainian garrisons is going on for some 3-4 days without interruption now, and both towns should’ve been reduced to piles of rubble: reportedly, the Russians are in control of about half of Trostyanets, but still outside Okhtyrka.
This is a kind of battle of attrition which the Ukrainians can’t win in long term: they lack resources and firepower.
EAST
Kharkiv: not much changed there: the frontlines are idle for nearly a week now, but the Russians are bombing and shelling at will. Much more serious is the situation south-east of Kharkiv – in the Izium area. The Russians are particularly active in the Izium area, which they claim to have captured (by their 144th MRD). This is nothing but a lie: if the place is as ‘unimportant’ and ‘captured’ as the Keystone Cops in Moscow are reporting, then why report about it at all? Moreover, if it’s captured, then why shell the ruins of Izium with incendiaries – as obvious from the attached photo, taken by the mayor of the town, on the evening of 23 Mar?
Except for trying to secure Izium, the 144th is also attacking Petrivske, further west. As far as I can say by now, the Ukrainians must have deployed at least one of their reserve brigades there, because their positions are holding out for some 4-5 days already.
That said, Izium is going to remain the focal area of this war at least for the next few days.
Reason? Because the Ukrainians have mauled the 42nd GMRD’s attempt to attack Zhitomir so badly, and then caused it further heavy losses in the Malynivka area, east of Hulaypolye, yesterday, that the 58th CAA is now entirely unable to re-launch its advance from the south - and because the 8th CAA is so busy with besieging Mariupol that it lacks troops to attack the Ukrainians on the LOC from the south.
In the Luhansk area the Russians continued pounding Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, and Popasna with artillery, but didn’t launch any new attacks. However, the 8th CAA and Separatists have punched through the first and second Ukrainian defence lines and entered the centre of Verkhnotoretske, north of Donetsk, early on 23 Mar.
This is bad news: it’s forcing the Ukrainians to either withdraw from their positions south of Horlivka, or to counterattack in attempt to recover the place, and thus expose themselves to the superior enemy firepower. I’m not yet sure what did they decide.
SOUTH
Mariupol: about 80% of the city is heavily damaged meanwhile. Essentially, it’s a collection of ruins, with thousands of dead and dying inside. Whoever can is picking bodies and burying them in local parks.
What happened with people sheltering under the Drama Theatre and the Swimming Pool is only partially known. About 5,000 civilians were evacuated from Mariupol to Zaporozhye during the last three days. Between them were few survivors of the intentional Russian air strike on the Drama Theatre, on 16 Mar, and thus it is now known that about 400 people that were inside the shelter in the basement have survived. However, at least 200, perhaps as many as 300 – foremost those working in the field kitchen, waiting for water, and all the volunteers helping – were killed, most of them on the spot (at least because of impossibility to provide them with first aid, or bring them to nearby hospitals). Meanwhile, the ruins of the Drama Theatre are on the frontline, as the 68th Regiment of the 150th MRD has reached the area: thus, it's certain that the Russians are going to do their utmost to remove all traces of this massacre.
Another 7,000 citizens of Mariupol were deported by the Russians over the last two days – and many more are to follow: the Rosgvardia is driving around the city and announcing per loudspeakers, that an evacuation to Zaporozhye is now impossible.
Despite having their 810th Naval Infantry Brigade mauled in downtown Mariupol (including the death of its commander), on 20 and 21 Mar, the Russians pushed the Chechens and Rosgvardia to attack into the southern centre of the city so hard, on 23, the Ukrainian garrison was forced to withdraw from the airport (west of the city) in order to bolster their defences of governmental buildings in the area north of the port, while the Azov drove out its few T-64s that are still operational.
This is a typical result of urban fighting: it takes plenty of troops to secure relatively small areas that are densely built-up.
The defenders – including an infantry and the tank battalion of the Azov Regiment, the 56th Motorised and the 36th Marine Brigade – still control the city centre, the Myra Avenue, part of the Primorsky District and Kalmiusky District: i.e. something like 16 out of city’s 23 neighbourhoods. They have claimed a VKS fighter-bomber shot down, on 22 Mar, too, but their messages are clear: they are demanding help with the Russian airpower, because this is causing most of civilian deaths.
Local authorities are estimating that around 100,000 civilians are still inside the area controlled by the Ukrainian forces. Commander of the local Police, General Aroskin, offered to give himself to the Russians, in exchange for guarantee that all the remaining children would be left out. So far, there was no response from Mizintsev (CO 8th CAA and thus the commander of the siege of Mariupol).
Further west…. An accident during the unloading of the Alligator-class amphib Orsk in the port of Berdyansk resulted in a major conflagration that wrecked the ship. Two other amphibs – both of the Ropucha-class – were damaged, but managed to distance on time. (Yes, sure: the Ukrainians claimed to have hit this ship with a Tochka-U; and, no doubt, they did try to do so, several days ago. But, videos shown the onset of this conflagration do not show any kind of a missile hit; rather a relatively small detonation on the ship.)
The 49th CAA’s position in the Kherson area remains poor, and thus its command brought in an engineering brigade to quickly construct a defence line along western approaches to the city. In turn, Ukrainians are held at bay with help of airpower. However, on 22 Mar, one of VKS air strikes hit own troops in the Mykolaiv area, reportedly obliterating an entire column of RFA’s military vehicles (this is based on intercepted RFA radio-traffic). The last night (24 to 25 Mar), the Ukrainians have heavily hit the RFA troops at the Kherson airport – this time with a massive MLRS-barrage. The Russians ‘retaliated’ with at least one Kalibr cruise missile: this should’ve hit someplace in the port of Mykolaiv.

[Mrljavi]

Ukrajinski specijalci malo ratovali, malo editovali
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[lajkujMe]

Ovo ako je istina je velika pobjeda zapada.
To znaci da i ostali mogu vrlo brzo da se skinu s Ruskog gasa do kraja godine.
Ali isto tako ljuti me jer ako su ovako brzi sta su cekali ovolike godine

[sumirprimus]

harkiv danas opet gori...

[GAU8]

Hvala za info.

ja mislim da je an225 ustvari modifikacija an124, ali nisam siguran.. čini mi se kao kroz maglu da sam to negdje čitao
vjerovatno ga mogu ponovo napraviti

an 225 je mnooogo veca zvijer od an 124. Uzmi samo u obzir da an 225 ima 6 motora, a an124 ima 4 motora

[Bosanac sa dna kace]

znas da su rusi tek skoro uveli obavezne carape ispod cizmi, dosad su bile one krpe sto omataju noge, imaju i ime za to zaboravio sam ziva istina.

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obojci

Bože!!!
Nije džabe rečeno da insan uči dok je živ... tek sad skontah šta znači "kome opanci, kome obojci", a čitav život slušam tu mudrost

Samo još nađite da ruska vojska nema ni zagaća, već se omotaju pelenom...
Nemaju ni za čorapa, a a nadigli se osvajati svijet...Bože dragi, žali sve one mladosti...
Nema dalje, nek gase struju i motaju kablove....

[Samprotivsviju]

nista ovi rusi, nemocni da napreduju sada samo se oslanjaju na artiljeriju..

[Mrljavi]

Nema parade ni za ovaj tenjak

[Bosanac sa dna kace]

Znam haha ovaj link sto sam postavio je bas tekst o tome
Koristili tehnologiju iz Napoleonskih ratova umjesto carapa.
Krpe nekakve sto zamotaju na noge hahaha

portijanki i to skora
pa kaje
"The most crucial aspect is that one can only wear portyanki that are wrapped tightly," Dimitriev says. "If the soldier doesn't follow the procedure exactly, he could hurt his feet and get painful blisters."

You also had to be able to put your portyanki on fast: Red Army regulations stipulated soldiers had to be fully dressed within 45 seconds. The rags, which inevitably got pretty rancid, were changed weekly, at the same time as the soldier's shower, and then boiled at 100C.

Partially abandoned in military reforms of 2007, portyanki have now definitively reached the end of the road. Defence minister Sergei Shoigu has ordered that "by the end of 2013 … we need to finally, fully reject this concept in our armed forces".
do 2013te sunce ti zarko

U Bog te veselio!!

[sumirprimus]

nista ovi rusi, nemocni da napreduju sada samo se oslanjaju na artiljeriju..

strateski su ih ukri dobili, jer nisu pali šaptom za dva dana. rusija krvari opasno, nikad gore sankcije izolacija. izgubljena ukrajina emotivno, psihicki ,fizicki, ideoloski, krv je pala, samo jedan put odavde je a to je nizbrdo.
nazalost ukri ce platiti najvecu cijenu evropske slobode. i zato ih treba posle svega nagradit kako ekonomski tako i nekim vidom priznnanja dal kroz eu ili slicne org ne znam ni ja. nako nsveega sta su predeverali zasluzili su. ko i mi jel

[agent_zero]

Ovo ako je istina je velika pobjeda zapada.
To znaci da i ostali mogu vrlo brzo da se skinu s Ruskog gasa do kraja godine.
Ali isto tako ljuti me jer ako su ovako brzi sta su cekali ovolike godine

Sad će Zeleni kmečati.

[Nespin]