Inteligentni Dizajn vs. Evolucija

[The 51st State]

Inteligentnih molekula?

pregledaj klip.

Pregledao, dzaba.

molekula kao masina koja tacno zna sta i kad treba da radi, to je karakteristika inteligencije na nekom nivou, barem tako shvaram.

[MorningStar]

prihvatilo bez dokaza, teorija evolucije se bavi posljedicom, a ne uzrokom. pravo pitanje je sta je uzrokovalo zivot na zemlji. a ne kako je se on razvijao. matematicki su apsurdne sanse za inteligentu mutaciju.

Nema inteligentne mutacije... cuj inteligentna mutacija. Dokaze o mutacijama u vrstama imas na sve strane - neke su pozitivne neke negativne.Samim tim pozitivne daju prednost jedinkama sa istim tako da iste imaju vecu sansu za opstanak,produzenje vrste i vise razmnozavanja.De malo prvo procitaj o cemu se radi tu podrobnije pa onda kreni sa ...

pa kako je doslo do ovih intelegntnih molekula, po evolucionistima je to doslo sa mutacijama. to je kao da su se cigle same slagale u neboder, nema smisla.

Mijesas hemiju i biologiju samo ti to mogu reci (vjerovatno jer povrsinski pregledas izjave nekog "ucenjaka" koji naglaba o cemu veze nema). Kada pricas o nastanku zivota tj. molekulama - pricas o hemiji. Kada pricas o mutacijama pricas o biologiji - kontas ?

[MorningStar]

molekula kao masina koja tacno zna sta i kad treba da radi, to je karakteristika inteligencije na nekom nivou, barem tako shvaram.

Znaci kad upalis motorku ona zna da okrece lanac dakle inteligentna je ?

[MorningStar]

1:0 za religije.

Znaci nista ne moze nastati iz nicega ali bog je ....... ? 1:0 za religije = 0:1 logika gubi.

bog kao omnipotentno bice, 1:0 za religij i logiku

Sam pojam omnipotentnosti - tj. svemoguce - znaci sve je moguce .. dakle opet stimas semafor

[joint union]

pregledaj klip.

Pregledao, dzaba.

molekula kao masina koja tacno zna sta i kad treba da radi, to je karakteristika inteligencije na nekom nivou, barem tako shvaram.

Jasno je meni na sta ti mislis, no malo je nezgrapna formulacija: "inteligentna molekula". Evo recimo virus (opet taj virus), isto zna sta radi, kad treba da radi, mozemo li reci da je inteligentan? Prebacuje se iz jednog organizma u drugi, modifikuje sebe (evoluira?), najinteligentnija bica (po njima) mu ne mogu stati u kraj, mada su se svi koliko ih ima digli da to urade. Da li je on inteligentan, da li evoluira ili ga omnipotentno bice stvara i razvija iz nekog razloga?

[The 51st State]

Znaci nista ne moze nastati iz nicega ali bog je ....... ? 1:0 za religije = 0:1 logika gubi.

bog kao omnipotentno bice, 1:0 za religij i logiku

Sam pojam omnipotentnosti - tj. svemoguce - znaci sve je moguce .. dakle opet stimas semafor

jarane, imas svoj kont i postujem, nemoj izvrtati moje rijeci ako se ne slazes sa onim sto prenesem, pokusaj to opovrgnuti na nacin da se tacno referiras na napisano, uvodjenje novih varijabli u raspravu mi je zamorno i neproduktivno.

[MorningStar]

bog kao omnipotentno bice, 1:0 za religij i logiku

Sam pojam omnipotentnosti - tj. svemoguce - znaci sve je moguce .. dakle opet stimas semafor

jarane, imas svoj kont i postujem, nemoj izvrtati moje rijeci ako se ne slazes sa onim sto prenesem, pokusaj to opovrgnuti na nacin da se tacno referiras na napisano, uvodjenje novih varijabli u raspravu mi je zamorno i neproduktivno.

Sta izvrcem ? Ako bice moze biti svemoguce - znaci da je sam pojam svemogucnosti postojan. Dakle sile van vremena i prostora (imas teoriju multiverzuma itd) mogu da budu svemoguce za nase pojmove ? Opovrgnuo sam ja samo ti si uletio sa necim sto si nacuo i onda kad si dobio argument ne mozes da razumijes napisano.

[The 51st State]

Pregledao, dzaba.

molekula kao masina koja tacno zna sta i kad treba da radi, to je karakteristika inteligencije na nekom nivou, barem tako shvaram.

Jasno je meni na sta ti mislis, no malo je nezgrapna formulacija: "inteligentna molekula". Evo recimo virus (opet taj virus), isto zna sta radi, kad treba da radi, mozemo li reci da je inteligentan? Prebacuje se iz jednog organizma u drugi, modifikuje sebe (evoluira?), najinteligentnija bica (po njima) mu ne mogu stati u kraj, mada su se svi koliko ih ima digli da to urade. Da li je on inteligentan, da li evoluira ili ga omnipotentno bice stvara i razvija iz nekog razloga?

moguce da je nezgrapna formulacija, iskreno i meni je prekomplikvano za shvatiti ali eto onako tjera na razmisaljanje.
ako se smatras da postoji neka svrha postojanja, onda se moze reci i da su ti virusi inteligentni kao dio tog nekog nedokucivok master plana.
sto se tice stajanja u kraj virusima, fan fact da je data uputa 14 vijekova ranije kada su u pitanju pandemije.

[The 51st State]

Sam pojam omnipotentnosti - tj. svemoguce - znaci sve je moguce .. dakle opet stimas semafor

jarane, imas svoj kont i postujem, nemoj izvrtati moje rijeci ako se ne slazes sa onim sto prenesem, pokusaj to opovrgnuti na nacin da se tacno referiras na napisano, uvodjenje novih varijabli u raspravu mi je zamorno i neproduktivno.

Sta izvrcem ? Ako bice moze biti svemoguce - znaci da je sam pojam svemogucnosti postojan. Dakle sile van vremena i prostora (imas teoriju multiverzuma itd) mogu da budu svemoguce za nase pojmove ? Opovrgnuo sam ja samo ti si uletio sa necim sto si nacuo i onda kad si dobio argument ne mozes da razumijes napisano.

od pocetka si poceo izrrtati i ismijavati jednostavnu tvrdnju kako moze nista kreirati nesto bez da si ponudio i jedan argument.

[MorningStar]

od pocetka si poceo izrrtati i ismijavati jednostavnu tvrdnju kako moze nista kreirati nesto bez da si ponudio i jedan argument.

?

De evo da ti pomognem malo:

To ti je otprilike dokle je nauka sa formiranjem zivota iz nezive tvari.



Uloga mutacija u evoluciji.

[The 51st State]

prvi klip je nategnut i prilicno je neodrziv jer hipotetira sa slucajnoscu, besmisleno.


drugi klip, se ne bavi makromutacijom koja je srz teorije evolucije.

[MorningStar]

prvi klip je nategnut i prilicno je neodrziv jer hipotetira sa slucajnoscu, besmisleno.


drugi klip, se ne bavi makromutacijom koja je srz teorije evolucije.

Sanse da se nesto desi recimo su 1%... znaci ako idemo statistikom 100 x probaj desit ce se jednom. Moras malo shvatiti o kojim vremenskim razdobiljima pricamo i procesima. O tom dijelu "netegnut" necu da komentarisem - jer to ti je "nategnuto" a orgije djece adama i eve nisu nategnute.Najlakse je slusati neke floskule od "pametnjakovica" koji sjedi i vazi o nastanku svemira a doktorat mu teoloski fakultet ili fakultet islamskih nauka.


Drugi klip se bavi mutacijom.Makromoutacija je pojam koji si zveknuo da kazes da klip se ne odnosi na temu iako iz mutacija dodjemo do makromutacije koje se ticu dijeljenja vrsta itd.

Recimo znas li zasto neki ljudi imaju plave oci ... i otkud to ? Preporucujem vise naucnog stiva a manje sejhova i ucenjaka.

[The 51st State]

prvi klip je nategnut i prilicno je neodrziv jer hipotetira sa slucajnoscu, besmisleno.


drugi klip, se ne bavi makromutacijom koja je srz teorije evolucije.

Sanse da se nesto desi recimo su 1%... znaci ako idemo statistikom 100 x probaj desit ce se jednom. Moras malo shvatiti o kojim vremenskim razdobiljima pricamo i procesima. O tom dijelu "netegnut" necu da komentarisem - jer to ti je "nategnuto" a orgije djece adama i eve nisu nategnute.


Drugi klip se bavi mutacijom.Makromoutacija je pojam koji si zveknuo da kazes da klip se ne odnosi na temu iako iz mutacija dodjemo do makromutacije koje se ticu dijeljenja vrsta itd.

Recimo znas li zasto neki ljudi imaju plave oci ... i otkud to ? Preporucujem vise naucnog stiva a manje sejhova i ucenjaka.

abiogenezu je opovrgno paster zivim eksperimentom i nakon njega more naucnika, ovaj sa klipa samo daje hipotezu pod kontroliranim uslovima bez ijednog dokaza.

da se vratimo osnovima oko evolucije, jos nijedan jedini dokaz nije pruzen da je vrsta evoluriala u drugu vrstu i to je osnovni problem sa istom, mutacije unutar vrste ok ali to dae validnost osnovnoj tezi teorije o evoluciji.

i ja tebi mogu preporuciti da budes manje arogantan i kulturniji u svojim sugestijama, religija nema problem sa naukom u principu, dvije odvojene stvari i niti jednoj od tog dvoje nije svrha da osporava jednu drugu.

[MorningStar]

prvi klip je nategnut i prilicno je neodrziv jer hipotetira sa slucajnoscu, besmisleno.


drugi klip, se ne bavi makromutacijom koja je srz teorije evolucije.

Sanse da se nesto desi recimo su 1%... znaci ako idemo statistikom 100 x probaj desit ce se jednom. Moras malo shvatiti o kojim vremenskim razdobiljima pricamo i procesima. O tom dijelu "netegnut" necu da komentarisem - jer to ti je "nategnuto" a orgije djece adama i eve nisu nategnute.


Drugi klip se bavi mutacijom.Makromoutacija je pojam koji si zveknuo da kazes da klip se ne odnosi na temu iako iz mutacija dodjemo do makromutacije koje se ticu dijeljenja vrsta itd.

Recimo znas li zasto neki ljudi imaju plave oci ... i otkud to ? Preporucujem vise naucnog stiva a manje sejhova i ucenjaka.

abiogenezu je opovrgno paster zivim eksperimentom i nakon njega more naucnika, ovaj sa klipa samo daje hipotezu pod kontroliranim uslovima bez ijednog dokaza.

da se vratimo osnovima oko evolucije, jos nijedan jedini dokaz nije pruzen da je vrsta evoluriala u drugu vrstu i to je osnovni problem sa istom, mutacije unutar vrste ok ali to dae validnost osnovnoj tezi teorije o evoluciji.

i ja tebi mogu preporuciti da budes manje arogantan i kulturniji u svojim sugestijama, religija nema problem sa naukom u principu, dvije odvojene stvari i niti jednoj od tog dvoje nije svrha da osporava jednu drugu.

Opovrgno kazes...

Naravno religija nema problema osim sto naprijemjer jedan od "problemcica" je sto tvrdi da je Bog stvorio covjeka od blata pa onda od njegovog rebra zenu pa se razmnozavali , pa onda im se djeca razmnozavala i eto.Dalje necu... jahanje buraqa na mjesec,dijeljenje mora,hodanje po vodi,pricajuci goruci grmovi i tako dalje

Evo ti ispod lijepo izvora i onih koji su dosli do zakljucaka i istrazuju abiogenezu:

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[MorningStar]

I onda dodje ovaj:

[joint union]

molekula kao masina koja tacno zna sta i kad treba da radi, to je karakteristika inteligencije na nekom nivou, barem tako shvaram.

Jasno je meni na sta ti mislis, no malo je nezgrapna formulacija: "inteligentna molekula". Evo recimo virus (opet taj virus), isto zna sta radi, kad treba da radi, mozemo li reci da je inteligentan? Prebacuje se iz jednog organizma u drugi, modifikuje sebe (evoluira?), najinteligentnija bica (po njima) mu ne mogu stati u kraj, mada su se svi koliko ih ima digli da to urade. Da li je on inteligentan, da li evoluira ili ga omnipotentno bice stvara i razvija iz nekog razloga?

moguce da je nezgrapna formulacija, iskreno i meni je prekomplikvano za shvatiti ali eto onako tjera na razmisaljanje.
ako se smatras da postoji neka svrha postojanja, onda se moze reci i da su ti virusi inteligentni kao dio tog nekog nedokucivok master plana.
sto se tice stajanja u kraj virusima, fan fact da je data uputa 14 vijekova ranije kada su u pitanju pandemije.

Dok je ljudi bice tog razmisljanja.
Inace, neki dan sam gledao izgubljena plemena u Amazoniji, dakle ljudi koji nikad nisu imali kontakt sa modernim svijetom. Kaze ciko otkrili su do sada 8 plemena, a niko ne zna koliko ih u stvari ima. E sad, sta mislis da li je ijedno od tih plemena ikad culo za Isusa, Muhameda, Budu, Mojsija itd?

A za pandemiju, naravno da su dali upute, vide da je neko bolestan i ako ima kontakt, oboli i taj, pa sljedeci itd. Normalno da ce reci, smanji kontakte. Pravi dokaz bi bio, recimo, da su znali da te bolesti izazivaju mikroskopska bica koja ne vidimo. A fan fakt je da su rekli?

A jel ovo evolucija, i to za samo par hiljadarki godina:

https://www.24sata.hr/tech/misterij-lju ... uta-570014

[The 51st State]

Jasno je meni na sta ti mislis, no malo je nezgrapna formulacija: "inteligentna molekula". Evo recimo virus (opet taj virus), isto zna sta radi, kad treba da radi, mozemo li reci da je inteligentan? Prebacuje se iz jednog organizma u drugi, modifikuje sebe (evoluira?), najinteligentnija bica (po njima) mu ne mogu stati u kraj, mada su se svi koliko ih ima digli da to urade. Da li je on inteligentan, da li evoluira ili ga omnipotentno bice stvara i razvija iz nekog razloga?

moguce da je nezgrapna formulacija, iskreno i meni je prekomplikvano za shvatiti ali eto onako tjera na razmisaljanje.
ako se smatras da postoji neka svrha postojanja, onda se moze reci i da su ti virusi inteligentni kao dio tog nekog nedokucivok master plana.
sto se tice stajanja u kraj virusima, fan fact da je data uputa 14 vijekova ranije kada su u pitanju pandemije.

Dok je ljudi bice tog razmisljanja.
Inace, neki dan sam gledao izgubljena plemena u Amazoniji, dakle ljudi koji nikad nisu imali kontakt sa modernim svijetom. Kaze ciko otkrili su do sada 8 plemena, a niko ne zna koliko ih u stvari ima. E sad, sta mislis da li je ijedno od tih plemena ikad culo za Isusa, Muhameda, Budu, Mojsija itd?

A za pandemiju, naravno da su dali upute, vide da je neko bolestan i ako ima kontakt, oboli i taj, pa sljedeci itd. Normalno da ce reci, smanji kontakte. Pravi dokaz bi bio, recimo, da su znali da te bolesti izazivaju mikroskopska bica koja ne vidimo. A fan fakt je da su rekli?

A jel ovo evolucija, i to za samo par hiljadarki godina:

https://www.24sata.hr/tech/misterij-lju ... uta-570014

Sumnjam, jesu li te amanoznce pitali o zivotu, vjerovanju, svrsi postojamja, lakvi su im rituali, to bi bilo isto interesantno cuti.

A sto se tice pamdemije, pa zar nije sega da covjek iz pustinja da iste upite ko who koji ima na raspplaganju svu nauku svijeta?

Sto se tice ovi ribara opet nekonkluzivno da se ljudi pretvaraju u ribe.

@MorningStar besmisleno je da raspravljamo za tebe je nauka samo drugi organizovani oblik religije, za mene je alat
koji ima svoju svrhu.

[broj dva]

I onda dodje ovaj:

Krene od meleka i dzina i nakon toga "ona zdrava, logicka analiza"
Haj makar ima smisla za humor

[joint union]

moguce da je nezgrapna formulacija, iskreno i meni je prekomplikvano za shvatiti ali eto onako tjera na razmisaljanje.
ako se smatras da postoji neka svrha postojanja, onda se moze reci i da su ti virusi inteligentni kao dio tog nekog nedokucivok master plana.
sto se tice stajanja u kraj virusima, fan fact da je data uputa 14 vijekova ranije kada su u pitanju pandemije.

Dok je ljudi bice tog razmisljanja.
Inace, neki dan sam gledao izgubljena plemena u Amazoniji, dakle ljudi koji nikad nisu imali kontakt sa modernim svijetom. Kaze ciko otkrili su do sada 8 plemena, a niko ne zna koliko ih u stvari ima. E sad, sta mislis da li je ijedno od tih plemena ikad culo za Isusa, Muhameda, Budu, Mojsija itd?

A za pandemiju, naravno da su dali upute, vide da je neko bolestan i ako ima kontakt, oboli i taj, pa sljedeci itd. Normalno da ce reci, smanji kontakte. Pravi dokaz bi bio, recimo, da su znali da te bolesti izazivaju mikroskopska bica koja ne vidimo. A fan fakt je da su rekli?

A jel ovo evolucija, i to za samo par hiljadarki godina:

https://www.24sata.hr/tech/misterij-lju ... uta-570014

Sumnjam, jesu li te amanoznce pitali o zivotu, vjerovanju, svrsi postojamja, lakvi su im rituali, to bi bilo isto interesantno cuti.

A sto se tice pamdemije, pa zar nije sega da covjek iz pustinja da iste upite ko who koji ima na raspplaganju svu nauku svijeta?

Sto se tice ovi ribara opet nekonkluzivno da se ljudi pretvaraju u ribe.

@MorningStar besmisleno je da raspravljamo za tebe je nauka samo drugi organizovani oblik religije, za mene je alat
koji ima svoju svrhu.

Kako ce ih pitati, helikopter su zajmili strijelama, a naucnici se boje da bi ih kontakt sa modernim covjekom pokosio kao sto je i juznoamericka plemena birvaktile kad su im Spanci dofurali. Mozes mi vjerovati na rijec da kod njih nije pronadjeno nista sto bi upucivalo na gorepomenutu cetvorku.
Koliko sam upucen, covjek iz pustinje je dao uputu za socijalnu distancu, sto je i razumljivo, vidis da ljudi u kontaktu oboljevaju. U Evropi su, npr doktori za kugu imali ovo:

E sad, na stranu zasto su oni ovo nosili, ja mogu reci: pa zar nije sega da covjek iz 17 vijeka da iste upute ko who koji ima na raspplaganju svu nauku svijeta, sto se maski tice? Cak su i oci zastitili, bolji rezon nego WHO.
Ne pretvaraju se u ribe , samo se prilagodjavaju okolini, evoluiraju. Mozda za par miliona godina i evoluiraju u ribu. Zamisli kako su kitovi i delfini evoluirali npr..

[The 51st State]

Ne samo socijalnu distancu,, nego prakticno j jedin efektivnu uputu za borbu protiv virusa, e sad bukvalista ce naci manu i tome

A za amazonce, bila je studija psihologa medju djecom predskolskog uzrasta, sva su imala neku ideju o svrsi postokanja kroz neki autoritet, isto interesantno.

Aha, dakle vjerujes da ce za milion godina da se pretvore u ribe.

[apsidejzi]

prihvatilo bez dokaza, teorija evolucije se bavi posljedicom, a ne uzrokom. pravo pitanje je sta je uzrokovalo zivot na zemlji. a ne kako je se on razvijao. matematicki su apsurdne sanse za inteligentu mutaciju.

Nema inteligentne mutacije... cuj inteligentna mutacija. Dokaze o mutacijama u vrstama imas na sve strane - neke su pozitivne neke negativne.Samim tim pozitivne daju prednost jedinkama sa istim tako da iste imaju vecu sansu za opstanak,produzenje vrste i vise razmnozavanja.De malo prvo procitaj o cemu se radi tu podrobnije pa onda kreni sa ...

pa kako je doslo do ovih intelegntnih molekula, po evolucionistima je to doslo sa mutacijama. to je kao da su se cigle same slagale u neboder, nema smisla.

Nista tu nije inteligentno nego samo dovoljno ponavljanja i mnogo vremena. Corava koka nabode zrno. Nije virus Korone jednom pokusao mutirati pa uspio. VIrus mutira non stop. Ni jedan zapravo nije isti. Svaki se razlikuje od ostalih po necemu ali su u vecem dijelu RNA sekvence iste. Zato se i mogu grupisati u regije. Tako imas korona virus koji dominira u BiH. On nije isti onom sto je u Francuskoj. Lice ali nije ista sorta. Cak sta vise, mozes pratiti iz koje zemlje je dosao virus u tvoju zemlju jer na nivou drzave se ove sitne promjene na pojedincima mogu grupisati u kategorije. U Svedskoj su tako skontali da imaju 4 grupe virusa i to oni koji lice virusu koji dominira u Britaniji, Francuskoj, Holandiji i Americi. Sve isti SARS-COV-2 ali sa odredjenim razlikama. Kao sto mi mozemo prepoznati razlicite sorte crnaca, azijata ili cak evropljana. Odmah mozes vidjeti jel neko iz Engleske ili Rusije. Iako smo svi ljudi.

Tako da je ovaj arument o "inteligentnim" molekulama smjesan. Samo mnogo ponavljanja i dosta vremena i onda se samo od sebe ocisti. Milijarde neuspjelih pokusaja i samo je dovoljno da jedan uspije i eto ti nesto novo. Tako je bilo i sa koronom. Milioni sismisa su pojedeni u Kini i svi oni su imali korona virus u sebi i svi su mutirali u ljudima ali ni jedan nije uspio. Dok jednom nije uspio naci pravu mutaciju da se spoji na covjeka. Ostalo je historija.

[Edouard]

Kako lik lagano izignorise dio posta koji mu ne odgovara hahahhahahaa, klasicno vjernicko ponasanje. Uzmemo od vjere ono sto nam pase, a ostalo se pravimo da ne vidimo...

A šta bih se i osvrtao na iste besmislice koje već mjesecima gomilaš.

Lijepo oko moje. Nema mjesta za boga ovdje. Mozes se koprcat koliko hoces. Imas izbor izmedju evolucije (dokazana) i iluzije dobrog boga (zarad serotinina). Sto prije uvidis to, imaces vise vremena da zivis zivot van iluzije.

Nažalost, ne uviđaš da je kod tebe u pitanju mutacija koja, kao i najveći broj onih u prirodi, osim izuzetno, izuzetno rijetkih, neuspješna.
Htio ne htio, svjesno ili nesvjesno, ateizam je uvijek pogrešan, gubitnički, loš odabir.

[MorningStar]

Ne samo socijalnu distancu,, nego prakticno j jedin efektivnu uputu za borbu protiv virusa, e sad bukvalista ce naci manu i tome

A za amazonce, bila je studija psihologa medju djecom predskolskog uzrasta, sva su imala neku ideju o svrsi postokanja kroz neki autoritet, isto interesantno.

Aha, dakle vjerujes da ce za milion godina da se pretvore u ribe.

Mozes li napisati stanje to konretno napisano - koje upute za borbu protiv virusa ?

Znam da je jed aod njih naprimjer umakanje muhe u vodu jer na jednom krilu je lijek na drugom bolest - izvor muslim.

[MorningStar]

Kako lik lagano izignorise dio posta koji mu ne odgovara hahahhahahaa, klasicno vjernicko ponasanje. Uzmemo od vjere ono sto nam pase, a ostalo se pravimo da ne vidimo...

A šta bih se i osvrtao na iste besmislice koje već mjesecima gomilaš.

Lijepo oko moje. Nema mjesta za boga ovdje. Mozes se koprcat koliko hoces. Imas izbor izmedju evolucije (dokazana) i iluzije dobrog boga (zarad serotinina). Sto prije uvidis to, imaces vise vremena da zivis zivot van iluzije.

Nažalost, ne uviđaš da je kod tebe u pitanju mutacija koja, kao i najveći broj onih u prirodi, osim izuzetno, izuzetno rijetkih, neuspješna.
Htio ne htio, svjesno ili nesvjesno, ateizam je uvijek pogrešan, gubitnički, loš odabir.

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