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#28451 Re: IRAN

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Challenger_ wrote: 16/01/2020 20:20 Od juče, sasvim juče, biće mnogo teže, mogo opasnije rathohuškačkim jastrebovima koji bi da raspale novu vatru na Bliskom istoku.
Znaci trump vraca crvenu zastavu u ladicu :D
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#28452 Re: IRAN

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Posljednji zivi tuzitelj nirnberskog procesa, Benjamin B. Ferencz, o ubistvu general-pukovnika Sulejmanija r.a. :
Now in my hundredth year, I cannot remain silent. I entered the United States in January 1921 as a poor immigrant boy, and I have felt obliged to repay the United States for the opportunities given to me.

I was an American combat soldier in World War II, and was proud to serve my country as the chief prosecutor in a war crimes trial at Nuremberg against Nazi leaders who murdered millions of innocent men, women and children.

The administration recently announced that, on orders of the president, the United States had “taken out” (which really means “murdered”) an important military leader of a country with which we were not at war. As a Harvard Law School graduate who has written extensively on the subject, I view such immoral action as a clear violation of national and international law.

The public is entitled to know the truth. The United Nations Charter, the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice in The Hague are all being bypassed. In this cyberspace world, young people everywhere are in mortal danger unless we change the hearts and minds of those who seem to prefer war to law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/opin ... lling.html

Drugim rijecima - gangsterska, teroristicka klika, koja se uzivila u ulogu "boga", stavljajuci se iznad svih zakona, konvencija, sudova i bilo kakvih pravnih normi i akata.
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#28453 Re: IRAN

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salik79 wrote: 16/01/2020 22:55 Posljednji zivi tuzitelj nirnberskog procesa, Benjamin B. Ferencz, o ubistvu general-pukovnika Sulejmanija r.a. :
Now in my hundredth year, I cannot remain silent. I entered the United States in January 1921 as a poor immigrant boy, and I have felt obliged to repay the United States for the opportunities given to me.

I was an American combat soldier in World War II, and was proud to serve my country as the chief prosecutor in a war crimes trial at Nuremberg against Nazi leaders who murdered millions of innocent men, women and children.

The administration recently announced that, on orders of the president, the United States had “taken out” (which really means “murdered”) an important military leader of a country with which we were not at war. As a Harvard Law School graduate who has written extensively on the subject, I view such immoral action as a clear violation of national and international law.

The public is entitled to know the truth. The United Nations Charter, the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice in The Hague are all being bypassed. In this cyberspace world, young people everywhere are in mortal danger unless we change the hearts and minds of those who seem to prefer war to law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/opin ... lling.html

Drugim rijecima - gangsterska, teroristicka klika, koja se uzivila u ulogu "boga", stavljajuci se iznad svih zakona, konvencija, sudova i bilo kakvih pravnih normi i akata.
Otprilike tako. Nazalost, ovakvi potezi americke administracije svode SAD na nivo lokalnog siledzije, nesto poput Irana.
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#28454 Re: IRAN

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jeza u ledja wrote: 16/01/2020 23:01
salik79 wrote: 16/01/2020 22:55 Posljednji zivi tuzitelj nirnberskog procesa, Benjamin B. Ferencz, o ubistvu general-pukovnika Sulejmanija r.a. :
Now in my hundredth year, I cannot remain silent. I entered the United States in January 1921 as a poor immigrant boy, and I have felt obliged to repay the United States for the opportunities given to me.

I was an American combat soldier in World War II, and was proud to serve my country as the chief prosecutor in a war crimes trial at Nuremberg against Nazi leaders who murdered millions of innocent men, women and children.

The administration recently announced that, on orders of the president, the United States had “taken out” (which really means “murdered”) an important military leader of a country with which we were not at war. As a Harvard Law School graduate who has written extensively on the subject, I view such immoral action as a clear violation of national and international law.

The public is entitled to know the truth. The United Nations Charter, the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice in The Hague are all being bypassed. In this cyberspace world, young people everywhere are in mortal danger unless we change the hearts and minds of those who seem to prefer war to law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/opin ... lling.html

Drugim rijecima - gangsterska, teroristicka klika, koja se uzivila u ulogu "boga", stavljajuci se iznad svih zakona, konvencija, sudova i bilo kakvih pravnih normi i akata.
Otprilike tako. Nazalost, ovakvi potezi americke administracije svode SAD na nivo lokalnog siledzije, nesto poput Irana.
Samo sto amerika ima stvarnu palicu , a iran stapic koji predstavlja pod bejzbolku :D
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#28455 Re: IRAN

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zilog wrote: 16/01/2020 16:49 Iran Irancima!!! Svidjalo mi se, ne svidjalo, sta rade u Iranu, to je njihova stvar.
Medjutim, kada ta drzava uzme sebi da zastupa sve SIIte u regionu. Uzme si za pravo da ih instrumentalizira za svoje ciljeve, onda me jako podsjecaju na jednog naseg susjeda...
A da malo, prije toga, procitas nesto od nekoga ko vise zna o tom regionu i od tebe, a i od tvoje uze i sire okoline? :oops:
The west is still buying into nonsense claims about Iran’s regional influence
By viewing millions of Shia as Iranian proxy agents, the US and its allies are demonising a historically oppressed people just as Saddam Hussein did
Patrick Cockburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Cockburn)
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ir ... 78696.html
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#28456 Re: IRAN

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Aha, pogotovo u Siriji gdje su vladajuca familija 50 godina. :oops:
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Aleviti ne pripadaju Dzaferijskom mezhebu, niti imaju puno zajednickog s njima, kao sto to Cockburn napominje. Druga stvar, Basar al Asad se izjasnjava kao sunit (bez obzira na alevitsko porijeklo) , te slijedi sunitsku praksu (sto je vidljivo na svim namazima kojima je javno prisustvovao).
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Jel to sad treba raspravljat jesu li Aleviti siiti ili nesto drugo? :lol:

Sigurno ga zato podrzavaju Iran i Hezbolah. :D

Sad treba ono otvarati kojekakve religijske teftere i tabiriti jel kakva sekta u stvari ovo ili ono. Otvoris Wikipediju za Alawites, pise da je branch of Shia Islam. Ima cak i dio gdje pise da je Musa al-Sadr (isti onaj za kojeg se spekulise da ga je Homeini smaknuo), osnivac Amala (prethodnice Hezbolaha) proglasio Alevite sijama. To sto ih neko ne smatra sijama boze moj. Neki smatraju Druze muslimanima, neki ne. U Americi neki ne smatraju katolike krscanima, i tako....

U kontekstu ovoga o cemu se prica, a s obzirom na snaznu podrsku koju Assad ima od Irana, siijskom polumjesecu, i tako, naravno da se Aleviti jedino mogu i svrstati jedino pod kisobran siizma.

Evo, priznacu ti ja - tacno je. Tacno je to sto govoris, u duzem historijskom kontekstu. U Iraku ih je Saddam gazio, u Jemenu su bili donji, u Bahreinu, Saudijskoj Arabiji su donji. U Libanu su bili donji do pocetka rata (i u ratu su izbjegavali sukob, koji je poceo izmedju Palestinaca i Maronita dok nisu bili primorani i dok poslije nije Izrael uletio). I u Siriji su bili donji dok Basharov babo nije dosao na vlast. Medjutim to se bar u Siriji promjenilo, a sa rastom uticaja Irana u regionu, sklanjanjem Saddama Husseina (zahvalite Bushu), to se vec mijenja. Ni u Libanu, ni u Siriji sigurno nisu donji. Naravno ni u Iraku nisu vise donji.
Doduse, kako se ekonomski snalaze u tim zemljama, to je vec mozda druga stvar.
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#28459 Re: IRAN

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Aleviti su trebal biti ravnopravni s ostalim islamskim pravcima al problem je bio što se arapski nacionalizam nije nikad dovoljno ugradio u društvo već samo negdje više negdje manje.
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#28460 Re: IRAN

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salik79 wrote: 16/01/2020 23:02
zilog wrote: 16/01/2020 16:49 Iran Irancima!!! Svidjalo mi se, ne svidjalo, sta rade u Iranu, to je njihova stvar.
Medjutim, kada ta drzava uzme sebi da zastupa sve SIIte u regionu. Uzme si za pravo da ih instrumentalizira za svoje ciljeve, onda me jako podsjecaju na jednog naseg susjeda...
A da malo, prije toga, procitas nesto od nekoga ko vise zna o tom regionu i od tebe, a i od tvoje uze i sire okoline? :oops:
The west is still buying into nonsense claims about Iran’s regional influence
By viewing millions of Shia as Iranian proxy agents, the US and its allies are demonising a historically oppressed people just as Saddam Hussein did
Patrick Cockburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Cockburn)
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ir ... 78696.html
Vjeruj mi, procitao sam, ali, u principu, izbjegavam (a i ne moram) da se raspravljam sa account-ima registrovanim 2013. godine :run:
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#28461 Re: IRAN

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zilog wrote: 17/01/2020 07:00
salik79 wrote: 16/01/2020 23:02
zilog wrote: 16/01/2020 16:49 Iran Irancima!!! Svidjalo mi se, ne svidjalo, sta rade u Iranu, to je njihova stvar.
Medjutim, kada ta drzava uzme sebi da zastupa sve SIIte u regionu. Uzme si za pravo da ih instrumentalizira za svoje ciljeve, onda me jako podsjecaju na jednog naseg susjeda...
A da malo, prije toga, procitas nesto od nekoga ko vise zna o tom regionu i od tebe, a i od tvoje uze i sire okoline? :oops:
The west is still buying into nonsense claims about Iran’s regional influence
By viewing millions of Shia as Iranian proxy agents, the US and its allies are demonising a historically oppressed people just as Saddam Hussein did
Patrick Cockburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Cockburn)
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ir ... 78696.html
Vjeruj mi, procitao sam, ali, u principu, izbjegavam (a i ne moram) da se raspravljam sa account-ima registrovanim 2013. godine :run:
Ne kontam. :?
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#28462 Re: IRAN

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mirsek wrote: 16/01/2020 19:28
Point. wrote: 16/01/2020 18:48
mirsek wrote: 16/01/2020 18:24
Pokazujem da svoje svjetonazore ne treba nametati drugim drzavama. Ne moze niko odredjivati sta su necije slobode ili sta su prave a sta bezvezne slobode. Nek odluci vecina u drzavi.
Neka odluči većina za stvari koje se tiču svih građana, neka odluče žene što se tiču njihovih prava kao ovdje što diskutujemo o pravu da prisustvuju sportskim takmičenjima i šta će oblačiti na sebe. Ne trebaju im se muškarci tu petljati ni odlučivati. Možemo se složiti oko toga?
Generalno da, ali Iran je islamska republika tako da je dosta toga vec odredjeno vjerom i drzavnim uredjenjem, vecina tako htjela, ko sam ja da ih tjeram drugacije.
Većina u BiH hoće u NATO pa vidi trzavica.
Ako neki zakon važi samo za žene red bi bio da samo žene o tome odlučuju, zar ne?
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Većina?
Mislila sam da je dosta stvari u zabrani putem fetve...a zar fetva dolazi glasom većine?
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#28464 Re: IRAN

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zilog wrote: 17/01/2020 07:00
Vjeruj mi, procitao sam, ali, u principu, izbjegavam (a i ne moram) da se raspravljam sa account-ima registrovanim 2013. godine :run:
Imamo pobjednika u kategoriji "argument godine", iako mlade i tek nastale. Predvidja se da niko nikada nece bolje argumentovat u narednih 50 godina! Mjesto preuzimanja nagrade bit ce naknadno objavljeno
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Bloo wrote: 17/01/2020 09:14 Većina?
Mislila sam da je dosta stvari u zabrani putem fetve...a zar fetva dolazi glasom većine?
Ma i te fetve su postale politika i tu i nastaje problem jer je politika u bukvalnom prevodu spletkarenje a znamo šta Islam govori vezano za spletkarenje.
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Odjednom iz neobjašnjivih razloga počeli umirati vojnici po Njemačkoj i svijetu, predpostavljam da je od loše ishrane. Ljudi tamo zovu po televizijama govore kako im se djeca ne javljaju a bili su u bazi- niko neće da im kaže šta im se desilo- telefon im ugašen. A sada odjednom nakon toliko dana vojnici im se liječe zbog potresa mozga.


Istina se ne može sakriti, to je definitivno.
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#28467 Re: IRAN

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basar wrote: 17/01/2020 11:29Odjednom iz neobjašnjivih razloga počeli umirati vojnici po Njemačkoj i svijetu, predpostavljam da je od loše ishrane. Ljudi tamo zovu po televizijama govore kako im se djeca ne javljaju a bili su u bazi- niko neće da im kaže šta im se desilo- telefon im ugašen. A sada odjednom nakon toliko dana vojnici im se liječe zbog potresa mozga.


Istina se ne može sakriti, to je definitivno.
Sada na površinu izlaze podaci koje je Administracija inicijalno skrivala:

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Eleven U.S. troops injured in Jan. 8 Iran missile attack in Iraq

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#28468 Re: IRAN

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Potresi mozga? Aa nema sta onda su Iranci ipak izvrsili uspjesne napade. :oops:
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#28469 Re: IRAN

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A, zar nije do neki dan bilo da nema ni poginulih, ni povrijedjenih (da su svi super) i da su stete minimalne? :oops:


Daleko vecu stetu su nanijele kamenice bacene na ambasadu, od raketa ispaljenih na vojnu bazu :oops:
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#28470 Re: IRAN

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salik79 wrote: 17/01/2020 19:38 A, zar nije do neki dan bilo da nema ni poginulih, ni povrijedjenih (da su svi super) i da su stete minimalne? :oops:
Ako koji rikne od gripe upisati i njega sve su to posljedice , pao imunitet od stresa ovo ono :D
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Eno i u Njemackoj dvojica pilota istovremeno "u snu" riknula. Ne znaju koji je uzrok. :oops:

Sada ce lagano svuda po svijetu (po bazama) nerazjasnjeno "umirati", "ginuti u udesima", "trovanja hranom" i tako to...

Danci su carevi, jasno i glasno kazu kroz kakav pakao su prosli cak i u podzemnim bunkerima.
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salik79 wrote: 17/01/2020 19:51 Eno i u Njemackoj dvojica pilota istovremeno "u snu" riknula. Ne znaju koji je uzrok. :oops:

Sada ce lagano svuda po svijetu (po bazama) nerazjasnjeno "umirati", "ginuti u udesima", "trovanja hranom" i tako to...

Danci su carevi, jasno i glasno kazu kroz kakav pakao su prosli cak i u podzemnim bunkerima.
Uragan paklene osvete :D eto ti djabaluka dobra parola :D ako sta kesujes se budi korektan :D
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#28473 Re: IRAN

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Some troops were transported to Germany, while others were moved to Kuwait, reporting symptoms of concussion. Iran fired dozens of missiles on January 8 and it was originally stated that there were no injuries.
I, onda, lagano, jedan po jedan, ili dvojica po dvojica, pocnu istovremeno "iznenada u snu umirati". :oops:
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salik79 wrote: 17/01/2020 20:14
Some troops were transported to Germany, while others were moved to Kuwait, reporting symptoms of concussion. Iran fired dozens of missiles on January 8 and it was originally stated that there were no injuries.
I, onda, lagano, jedan po jedan, ili dvojica po dvojica, pocnu istovremeno "iznenada u snu umirati". :oops:
Ja mislim da je to Iran i planirao... a mozda ovi sada umiru od straha jer ipak ih je iran raketirao... pa zamisli da te raketira nacija koju vodi sam bog hej. :D
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#28475 Re: IRAN

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Neka, samo neka ih razvoze po bazama u svijetu, samo da ne bi priznali koliko ih je zijanilo u Iraku. A, sta ces, jet lag moze, kadkad, biti i koban.
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