24 godine od prve pobune prosrpskih separatista

[joint union]

ljudski je griješit--al je velicina priznat grešku

što rekli stari--doc tobe

Srebrov je bio totalno interesantna pojava, nezasluzeno zanemarena, pa eto sad ljudi pitaju ko je bio ovaj covjek. Neki ga neopravdano zovu ludim, a mozda je, ako ludilo definisemo kao odstupanje od misljenja vecine, to i bio. Covjek koji je osnovao SDS, a na kraju bio jedan od najvecih boraca protiv ideologije te stranke, sto ga je i kostalo zivota. Vjerovatno bi, da je okrenuo plocu na Kuli i pricao o zlim mudzahedinima, kao mnogi koji su se izvukli iz sarajevskog pakla, prosao "neokrzut", a mozda bi i hajrovao kakvu funkciju. Nekako rijedak, ako ne i jedini covjek koji je zasluzio velicinu spomenutu u tvom postu, pa bilo to "ludilo" ili ne.

[Danguba]

Troka ba, šta su te ovo skolili?

U najmanju ruku trebao bi mu koridor osposobiti da mu vratis onaj Vlasicki.

[junior3]

Sreća pa znamo sa koridorima.

[trocadero]

Da mi se samo probiti veceras do Muhine kahvane na jednu lozu ako mi nije sta zamjerio.

[exliberal-ex]

ljudski je griješit--al je velicina priznat grešku

što rekli stari--doc tobe

Srebrov je bio totalno interesantna pojava, nezasluzeno zanemarena, pa eto sad ljudi pitaju ko je bio ovaj covjek. Neki ga neopravdano zovu ludim, a mozda je, ako ludilo definisemo kao odstupanje od misljenja vecine, to i bio. Covjek koji je osnovao SDS, a na kraju bio jedan od najvecih boraca protiv ideologije te stranke, sto ga je i kostalo zivota. Vjerovatno bi, da je okrenuo plocu na Kuli i pricao o zlim mudzahedinima, kao mnogi koji su se izvukli iz sarajevskog pakla, prosao "neokrzut", a mozda bi i hajrovao kakvu funkciju. Nekako rijedak, ako ne i jedini covjek koji je zasluzio velicinu spomenutu u tvom postu, pa bilo to "ludilo" ili ne.

Ma bio je protiv ideologije SDS zato sto su odbacili njegovu ideologiju....nije on bio probosanski ili probosnjacki ...niti je dosao tobe,njegov ego je bio povrijedjen zato je bio protiv te stranke
Zamisli kakva je njegova ideologija bila kad ga je SDS odbacio kao ekstrema....

[BHCluster]

Ma bio je protiv ideologije SDS zato sto su odbacili njegovu ideologiju....nije on bio probosanski ili probosnjacki ...niti je dosao tobe,njegov ego je bio povrijedjen zato je bio protiv te stranke
Zamisli kakva je njegova ideologija bila kad ga je SDS odbacio kao ekstrema....

Pa za SDS je probosanska strana bila ekstremna.

[exliberal-ex]

Ma bio je protiv ideologije SDS zato sto su odbacili njegovu ideologiju....nije on bio probosanski ili probosnjacki ...niti je dosao tobe,njegov ego je bio povrijedjen zato je bio protiv te stranke
Zamisli kakva je njegova ideologija bila kad ga je SDS odbacio kao ekstrema....

Pa za SDS je probosanska strana bila ekstremna.

Njegove ideje o rijesavanju "muslimanskog problema" su bile previse ekstremne za SDS a znas kakvu je politiku SDS vodio....jel sad kontas

[BHCluster]

Njegove ideje o rijesavanju "muslimanskog problema" su bile previse ekstremne za SDS a znas kakvu je politiku SDS vodio....jel sad kontas

Pa SDS-ova politika po pitanju "muslimanskog problema" je kulminirala genocidom ne znam sta jos moze biti ekstremnije?

[joint union]

ljudski je griješit--al je velicina priznat grešku

što rekli stari--doc tobe

Srebrov je bio totalno interesantna pojava, nezasluzeno zanemarena, pa eto sad ljudi pitaju ko je bio ovaj covjek. Neki ga neopravdano zovu ludim, a mozda je, ako ludilo definisemo kao odstupanje od misljenja vecine, to i bio. Covjek koji je osnovao SDS, a na kraju bio jedan od najvecih boraca protiv ideologije te stranke, sto ga je i kostalo zivota. Vjerovatno bi, da je okrenuo plocu na Kuli i pricao o zlim mudzahedinima, kao mnogi koji su se izvukli iz sarajevskog pakla, prosao "neokrzut", a mozda bi i hajrovao kakvu funkciju. Nekako rijedak, ako ne i jedini covjek koji je zasluzio velicinu spomenutu u tvom postu, pa bilo to "ludilo" ili ne.

Ma bio je protiv ideologije SDS zato sto su odbacili njegovu ideologiju....nije on bio probosanski ili probosnjacki ...niti je dosao tobe,njegov ego je bio povrijedjen zato je bio protiv te stranke
Zamisli kakva je njegova ideologija bila kad ga je SDS odbacio kao ekstrema....

Pa garant su ga zato mlavili u Kuli, preekstreman bio. Htjeli mu batinama izbiti ekstremizam iz glave, ti opstepoznati pacifisti. Nebitno, djela koja su ostala iza njega govore drugacije, pa sve i da je bilo tako kao sto kazes (u sta, izvini, ni sekunde ne vjerujem).

[karanana]

ova prica koju exliberal forsira mi uopste nije jasna niti logicna.
cuj ostao u turskom sarajevu iz inata jer sds nije prihvatio njegovu radikalnu politiku.
kao nije imao drugih opcija, politickih i zivotnih.
nidje veze.
ili je bio spijun? a sto je ime promijenio? to nisam znao.

[dezurni_ucenik]

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[Danguba]

Pustite covjeka neka u miru pociva, zasluzio je.

[dezurni_ucenik]

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[dezurni_ucenik]

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[exliberal-ex]

ova prica koju exliberal forsira mi uopste nije jasna niti logicna.
cuj ostao u turskom sarajevu iz inata jer sds nije prihvatio njegovu radikalnu politiku.
kao nije imao drugih opcija, politickih i zivotnih.
nidje veze.
ili je bio spijun? a sto je ime promijenio? to nisam znao.

Koji su razlozi njegovog stanka u Sarajevu neznam
Ja samo iznosim ono sto ja znam, prenosim ono sto su mi rekli ljudi koji su Srebrova znali sa fakulteta i ovo mi je receno ne jednom cak i poslije rata, ako treba da vjerujem njima ili drugim...

[joint union]

ova prica koju exliberal forsira mi uopste nije jasna niti logicna.
cuj ostao u turskom sarajevu iz inata jer sds nije prihvatio njegovu radikalnu politiku.
kao nije imao drugih opcija, politickih i zivotnih.
nidje veze.
ili je bio spijun? a sto je ime promijenio? to nisam znao.

Koji su razlozi njegovog stanka u Sarajevu neznam
Ja samo iznosim ono sto ja znam, prenosim ono sto su mi rekli ljudi koji su Srebrova znali sa fakulteta i ovo mi je receno ne jednom cak i poslije rata, ako treba da vjerujem njima ili drugim...

Ne vjeruj nikom, vjeruj u vlastitu logiku. Pogledaj sta se sve desilo sa tim covjekom, pa zakljuci, ima li ta prica "kolega sa fakulteta" ikakvog smisla? Ako nije tajna, gdje sada zive te kolege?

[karanana]

ali stvarno nema logike.
i kako nemamo nista konkretnije od tvrdnji kolega s fakulteta, koji btw, vjerovatno imaju razlog da ga blate jer se ne slazu sa onim sto je radio 92-95?!

[Zokipfc]

ali stvarno nema logike.
i kako nemamo nista konkretnije od tvrdnji kolega s fakulteta, koji btw, vjerovatno imaju razlog da ga blate jer se ne slazu sa onim sto je radio 92-95?!

Ne vjeruj nikom, vjeruj u vlastitu logiku. Pogledaj sta se sve desilo sa tim covjekom, pa zakljuci, ima li ta prica "kolega sa fakulteta" ikakvog smisla? Ako nije tajna, gdje sada zive te kolege?

Jer, kao, logika pokrece svijet, a?

October 30, 1995 Vreme News Digest Agency No 213

Resume: Vladimir Srebrov

Poet and Politician

by Dejan Anastasijevic

Place and date of birth: October 23, 1954 in Pozarevac under the name of Milan Nikolic. Father, an officer of the Yugoslav National Army, and mother, a teacher.

Nationality: "Serbian by birth, Yugoslav by determination, Slav at heart." (Nedjelja, August 1990)

Education and career: Finished elementary and high school in Travnik and Banjaluka. Graduated at University of Philosophy in Sarajevo. Enthusiastic advocate of Pan-Slavism, during his post-graduate studies in the USSR he changed his name to Srebrov. Later, manager of the library of the University of Philosophy in Sarajevo, where he completed his Ph.D. studies at the beginning of the war. Four books of poems published.

Political conviction: Susceptible to drastic changes. He was president of the Steering Committee for the foundation of the Serbian Democratic Party in Bosnia (on the inaugural assembly meeting he sat in the front row, between Jovan Raskovic and Radovan Karadzic). He was the leader of Young Bosnia (Mlada Bosna - a militant youth wing of the SDS), afterwards an official of the Serbian Revival Movement (Srpski pokret obnove) in Bosnia, but he left the party shortly afterwards due to a dispute with Vuk Draskovic. Immediately before the war, following the resignations handed in by Nikola Koljevic and Biljana Plavsic as members of the Presidency of BIH, he offered his services to Izetbegovic as a member - representative of the Serbs (his offer was rejected). At the now famous Congress of Serbian Intellectuals, held towards the end of March of 1992 at the Holiday Inn hotel, he wanted to accuse Karadzic publicly for corruption and to tell all present that by supporting a Serbian state in BIH they are leading the people into war and genocide (he was thrown out). For a while, he closely collaborated with Davor Perinovic, who was then the leader of the Croatian Party of Rights in Sarajevo and the former president of HDZ of BIH. At the beginning of the war, he firmly decided to remain in Sarajevo and founded the Civic Party, whose member he still is.

Why he was thrown out of the SDS: Due to extreme Serbian nationalism: following the call for JNA to take over Bosnia, and Srebrov's promise that his "iron guardsmen" will help them in that task, in 1990 Radovan Karadzic estimated that the "semi-military, almost militant remarks of M.A. Vladimir Srebrov are incompatible with the spirit of the Serbian people" and ordered that Young Bosnia be disbanded, and Srebrov suspended.

When and how he was arrested: On September 4, 1992, since he, following up on his personal initiative, and with the guarantee of the Bosnian and Serbian governments, went to Ilidza so that he could negotiate with Pale on the status of the Serbs in Sarajevo. The minute he arrived, they beat him, and then arrested him.

Why he was convicted: Because he, by speaking out on Radio Sarajevo, "committed a felony by attempting to weaken morale and introduce turmoil amongst Serbian soldiers, and some other material proof which lead to high treason". Following a verdict reached by the court-martial in Han Pijesak he was sentenced to five years in prison, but his sentence was later reduced to three.

What was the reaction in Sarajevo: The commander of the BIH Army at the time, Sefer Halilovic, offered a few POW officers of the Republic of Serbia's Army (VRS) in exchange for Srebrov. His offer was refused.

What was the reaction in Belgrade: The press of the regime applauded the sentence and wrote that "Srebrov had gained seven kilograms in prison" and that "he does not dare to go back to Alija's Sarajevo because they would slit his throat there, like they slaughter all Serbs". The Association of Writers of Serbia issued an announcement in which they stated that the arrest of Srebrov was "rushed". Of all the parties, only the Serbian Renewal Movement, Civic Union and the Serbian Liberal Party unambiguously condemned the arrest and asked Dobrica Cosic, the President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia at the time, to bring about his release. To no avail.

What was his conduct in jail like: In a few rare interviews given from prison (Radio B-92 and Borba) he consistently refused to "repent" and persistently kept repeating that Karadzic's SDS was leading the Serbian people into disaster. Consequences: three broken ribs and water on the knee.

What he said about his jailers: "I understand them completely. It was difficult for them to listen to me in those days. I was too well known, I was too independent in my way of thinking not to present myself as a threat to them."

[exliberal-ex]

ali stvarno nema logike.
i kako nemamo nista konkretnije od tvrdnji kolega s fakulteta, koji btw, vjerovatno imaju razlog da ga blate jer se ne slazu sa onim sto je radio 92-95?!

Neki ljudi su ga znali sa fakulteta, neki privatno....ovo sto ja uporno govorim je nesto sto mi je receno cak i prije rata, prije nego sto je srebrov postao patriota...

[joint union]

...

Ovaj tekst ne bjezi od logike. Za razkiku od liberalovih kolega.

[Zokipfc]

...

Ovaj tekst ne bjezi od logike. Za razkiku od liberalovih kolega.

Jesi li siguran?

Ipak tu stoji sledece:

Political conviction: Susceptible to drastic changes. He was president of the Steering Committee for the foundation of the Serbian Democratic Party in Bosnia (on the inaugural assembly meeting he sat in the front row, between Jovan Raskovic and Radovan Karadzic). He was the leader of Young Bosnia (Mlada Bosna - a militant youth wing of the SDS), afterwards an official of the Serbian Revival Movement (Srpski pokret obnove) in Bosnia, but he left the party shortly afterwards due to a dispute with Vuk Draskovic. Immediately before the war, following the resignations handed in by Nikola Koljevic and Biljana Plavsic as members of the Presidency of BIH, he offered his services to Izetbegovic as a member - representative of the Serbs (his offer was rejected). At the now famous Congress of Serbian Intellectuals, held towards the end of March of 1992 at the Holiday Inn hotel, he wanted to accuse Karadzic publicly for corruption and to tell all present that by supporting a Serbian state in BIH they are leading the people into war and genocide (he was thrown out). For a while, he closely collaborated with Davor Perinovic, who was then the leader of the Croatian Party of Rights in Sarajevo and the former president of HDZ of BIH. At the beginning of the war, he firmly decided to remain in Sarajevo and founded the Civic Party, whose member he still is.

Why he was thrown out of the SDS: Due to extreme Serbian nationalism: following the call for JNA to take over Bosnia, and Srebrov's promise that his "iron guardsmen" will help them in that task, in 1990 Radovan Karadzic estimated that the "semi-military, almost militant remarks of M.A. Vladimir Srebrov are incompatible with the spirit of the Serbian people" and ordered that Young Bosnia be disbanded, and Srebrov suspended.

Odaberi, hocemo li samo uzeti u obzir dijelove teksta koji nam se svidjaju ili ipak cijeli tekst?

[joint union]

...

Ovaj tekst ne bjezi od logike. Za razkiku od liberalovih kolega.

Jesi li siguran?

Ipak tu stoji sledece:

Political conviction: Susceptible to drastic changes. He was president of the Steering Committee for the foundation of the Serbian Democratic Party in Bosnia (on the inaugural assembly meeting he sat in the front row, between Jovan Raskovic and Radovan Karadzic). He was the leader of Young Bosnia (Mlada Bosna - a militant youth wing of the SDS), afterwards an official of the Serbian Revival Movement (Srpski pokret obnove) in Bosnia, but he left the party shortly afterwards due to a dispute with Vuk Draskovic. Immediately before the war, following the resignations handed in by Nikola Koljevic and Biljana Plavsic as members of the Presidency of BIH, he offered his services to Izetbegovic as a member - representative of the Serbs (his offer was rejected). At the now famous Congress of Serbian Intellectuals, held towards the end of March of 1992 at the Holiday Inn hotel, he wanted to accuse Karadzic publicly for corruption and to tell all present that by supporting a Serbian state in BIH they are leading the people into war and genocide (he was thrown out). For a while, he closely collaborated with Davor Perinovic, who was then the leader of the Croatian Party of Rights in Sarajevo and the former president of HDZ of BIH. At the beginning of the war, he firmly decided to remain in Sarajevo and founded the Civic Party, whose member he still is.

Why he was thrown out of the SDS: Due to extreme Serbian nationalism: following the call for JNA to take over Bosnia, and Srebrov's promise that his "iron guardsmen" will help them in that task, in 1990 Radovan Karadzic estimated that the "semi-military, almost militant remarks of M.A. Vladimir Srebrov are incompatible with the spirit of the Serbian people" and ordered that Young Bosnia be disbanded, and Srebrov suspended.

Odaberi, hocemo li samo uzeti dijelove teksta koji nam se svidjaju ili ipak cijeli tekst?

Cijeli tekst legendo, sve OK, znam ja vjerovatno bolje i od novinara koji je ovo pisao sta je i ko bio Srebrov, no reci ti sad meni gdje se ovdje spominje "rjesavanje turskog pitanja" koje spominju liberalove kolege, te kako se u to rjesavanje uklapa ovo podvuceno?

[sinuhe]

Covjek je bio ziv par godina poslije rata, ali nebitan i malo kome zanimljiv. Neiskoristen "patriotizam"

[BHCluster]

October 30, 1995 Vreme News Digest Agency No 213
Resume: Vladimir Srebrov
Poet and Politician

by Dejan Anastasijevic

Place and date of birth: October 23, 1954 in Pozarevac under the name of Milan Nikolic. Father, an officer of the Yugoslav National Army, and mother, a teacher.

Nationality: "Serbian by birth, Yugoslav by determination, Slav at heart." (Nedjelja, August 1990)

Education and career: Finished elementary and high school in Travnik and Banjaluka. Graduated at University of Philosophy in Sarajevo. Enthusiastic advocate of Pan-Slavism, during his post-graduate studies in the USSR he changed his name to Srebrov. Later, manager of the library of the University of Philosophy in Sarajevo, where he completed his Ph.D. studies at the beginning of the war. Four books of poems published.

Political conviction: Susceptible to drastic changes. He was president of the Steering Committee for the foundation of the Serbian Democratic Party in Bosnia (on the inaugural assembly meeting he sat in the front row, between Jovan Raskovic and Radovan Karadzic). He was the leader of Young Bosnia (Mlada Bosna - a militant youth wing of the SDS), afterwards an official of the Serbian Revival Movement (Srpski pokret obnove) in Bosnia, but he left the party shortly afterwards due to a dispute with Vuk Draskovic. Immediately before the war, following the resignations handed in by Nikola Koljevic and Biljana Plavsic as members of the Presidency of BIH, he offered his services to Izetbegovic as a member - representative of the Serbs (his offer was rejected). At the now famous Congress of Serbian Intellectuals, held towards the end of March of 1992 at the Holiday Inn hotel, he wanted to accuse Karadzic publicly for corruption and to tell all present that by supporting a Serbian state in BIH they are leading the people into war and genocide (he was thrown out). For a while, he closely collaborated with Davor Perinovic, who was then the leader of the Croatian Party of Rights in Sarajevo and the former president of HDZ of BIH. At the beginning of the war, he firmly decided to remain in Sarajevo and founded the Civic Party, whose member he still is.

Why he was thrown out of the SDS: Due to extreme Serbian nationalism: following the call for JNA to take over Bosnia, and Srebrov's promise that his "iron guardsmen" will help them in that task, in 1990 Radovan Karadzic estimated that the "semi-military, almost militant remarks of M.A. Vladimir Srebrov are incompatible with the spirit of the Serbian people" and ordered that Young Bosnia be disbanded, and Srebrov suspended.

When and how he was arrested: On September 4, 1992, since he, following up on his personal initiative, and with the guarantee of the Bosnian and Serbian governments, went to Ilidza so that he could negotiate with Pale on the status of the Serbs in Sarajevo. The minute he arrived, they beat him, and then arrested him.

Why he was convicted: Because he, by speaking out on Radio Sarajevo, "committed a felony by attempting to weaken morale and introduce turmoil amongst Serbian soldiers, and some other material proof which lead to high treason". Following a verdict reached by the court-martial in Han Pijesak he was sentenced to five years in prison, but his sentence was later reduced to three.

What was the reaction in Sarajevo: The commander of the BIH Army at the time, Sefer Halilovic, offered a few POW officers of the Republic of Serbia's Army (VRS) in exchange for Srebrov. His offer was refused.

What was the reaction in Belgrade: The press of the regime applauded the sentence and wrote that "Srebrov had gained seven kilograms in prison" and that "he does not dare to go back to Alija's Sarajevo because they would slit his throat there, like they slaughter all Serbs". The Association of Writers of Serbia issued an announcement in which they stated that the arrest of Srebrov was "rushed". Of all the parties, only the Serbian Renewal Movement, Civic Union and the Serbian Liberal Party unambiguously condemned the arrest and asked Dobrica Cosic, the President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia at the time, to bring about his release. To no avail.

What was his conduct in jail like: In a few rare interviews given from prison (Radio B-92 and Borba) he consistently refused to "repent" and persistently kept repeating that Karadzic's SDS was leading the Serbian people into disaster. Consequences: three broken ribs and water on the knee.

What he said about his jailers: "I understand them completely. It was difficult for them to listen to me in those days. I was too well known, I was too independent in my way of thinking not to present myself as a threat to them."

[joint union]

Covjek je bio ziv par godina poslije rata, ali nebitan i malo kome zanimljiv. Neiskoristen "patriotizam"

What was the reaction in Belgrade: The press of the regime applauded the sentence and wrote that "Srebrov had gained seven kilograms in prison" and that "he does not dare to go back to Alija's Sarajevo because they would slit his throat there, like they slaughter all Serbs".

Mislim da se hajka na Srebrova vrlo lako (da ne kazem logicno, jel') moze shvatiti uzevsi u obzir ovaj dio teksta. Ocito je da je ista filozofija (da ne kazem logika), prisutna i danas.
Kako na Srebrova, tako i na ostale "Alijine Srbe".