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Ajatolah_ wrote:Šta je tačno zlo u ujedinjenju Evrope? Naravno da je izjednačavanje ideje Evropske Unije s onim što je Hitler imao u glavi blago rečeno pretjerano, ali ajde.

mouton noir wrote: izjava jednog Borisa Johnsona povod za otvaranje teme



ne znam jeli gluplja sama izjava bivseg 'nacelnika koji ocajnicki pokusava da sakupi poene da bi se promovisao u novog lidera konzervativaca, ili otvaranje teme na osnovu te izjave kao osnov za raspravu dali BiH treba uci u EU ili ne

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:Edo,sadasnji gradonacelnik Londona je jasno reako da UK treba istatiu EU.

Dilema o izlasku UK iz EU ili njenom zdrazavanju u EU traje godinama,i mislim da se isljucivo koristi u politickim debatama,jer,nisma primjetila da se ekonomisti previse petljaju u takvu raspravu!

Edin H. wrote:

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:Edo,sadasnji gradonacelnik Londona je jasno reako da UK treba istatiu EU.

Dilema o izlasku UK iz EU ili njenom zdrazavanju u EU traje godinama,i mislim da se isljucivo koristi u politickim debatama,jer,nisma primjetila da se ekonomisti previse petljaju u takvu raspravu!

Dobar dio Engleza nikada nije bio naklonjen EU, zato im je trebalo i dugo da udju u EU, kad su vidjeli da Komonvelt nije trzisni pandan. Zasto bi se ekonomisti petljali u tu raspravu kad im odgovara priliv jeftine radne snage, strucnjaci koji dolaze da rade za relativno male nadnice, koje je skolovao neko drugi, te mogucnost plasmana roba i usluga bez carina na trzista manje razvijenih zemalja. Ono sto politicarima ne ide u prilog nije cak ni velike priliv nekvalifikovane radne snage, nego zloupotreba sistema socijane zastite.

Edin H. wrote:

Ajatolah_ wrote:Šta je tačno zlo u ujedinjenju Evrope? Naravno da je izjednačavanje ideje Evropske Unije s onim što je Hitler imao u glavi blago rečeno pretjerano, ali ajde.

Sudeci po Johnsonu zato sto je to uvijek tragicno zavrsilo.

Edin H. wrote:

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:Edo,sadasnji gradonacelnik Londona je jasno reako da UK treba istatiu EU.

Dilema o izlasku UK iz EU ili njenom zdrazavanju u EU traje godinama,i mislim da se isljucivo koristi u politickim debatama,jer,nisma primjetila da se ekonomisti previse petljaju u takvu raspravu!

Dobar dio Engleza nikada nije bio naklonjen EU, zato im je trebalo i dugo da udju u EU, kad su vidjeli da Komonvelt nije trzisni pandan. Zasto bi se ekonomisti petljali u tu raspravu kad im odgovara priliv jeftine radne snage, strucnjaci koji dolaze da rade za relativno male nadnice, koje je skolovao neko drugi, te mogucnost plasmana roba i usluga bez carina na trzista manje razvijenih zemalja. Ono sto politicarima ne ide u prilog nije cak ni velike priliv nekvalifikovane radne snage, nego zloupotreba sistema socijane zastite.

ovo_malo_duse wrote:Engleska da izadze iz EU bi cucnula ko corava koka, zato nista od toga.

Industrija im je truba. Nikad se nisam iznenadio kao kad sam posjetio jednu od respektabilnijih Engleskih firmi koju je nedavno za velike pare kupio General Electric. Karina od firme od infrastruture do naciina kako se rade i ponasju se...

Svo sranje oko referenduma je samo nacin da dobiju vise a daju manje. Klasicna patka parazita koji stoljecima zive na tudzem znoju i krvi.

Amin da hoce izglasat da izadzu iz EU, pa da EU zatvori dotacije i uvede poreze na uvoz. Da malo vide kako je izvesti u EU kad nisi dio iste...

Al nema sanse...

bh.tornjak wrote:

ovo_malo_duse wrote:Engleska da izadze iz EU bi cucnula ko corava koka, zato nista od toga.

Industrija im je truba. Nikad se nisam iznenadio kao kad sam posjetio jednu od respektabilnijih Engleskih firmi koju je nedavno za velike pare kupio General Electric. Karina od firme od infrastruture do naciina kako se rade i ponasju se...

Svo sranje oko referenduma je samo nacin da dobiju vise a daju manje. Klasicna patka parazita koji stoljecima zive na tudzem znoju i krvi.

Amin da hoce izglasat da izadzu iz EU, pa da EU zatvori dotacije i uvede poreze na uvoz. Da malo vide kako je izvesti u EU kad nisi dio iste...

Al nema sanse...

dali bi cucnula to ne znam.....aki bi nastala za*jebana situacija.
nasli bi oni nacina kako doci do dzabne love

VB je usla u EU kao siromasna zemlja tj. taj rejting su "izboksali" engleski politicari kako bi se naslonili na EU jasle...
imali su pristup svim fondovima odakle su uzimali i sakom i kapom....sad, kad je taj period istekao i kad i sami trebaju da uplacuju u te fondove "dreka i vika" o napustanju EU..

may 16 2016, 12:01am, the times
Sound and Fury

The raised spectre of Adolf Hitler marks a new low in the debate over the European Union referendum. Politicians must stop scoring points and start making them


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The tang of his own shoe leather is perhaps not an unfamiliar taste for Boris Johnson. It comes as something of a shock, even so, that a man who wishes to be our next prime minister could feel comfortable telling a Sunday newspaper that the European Union seeks to achieve the same aims as Adolf Hitler, but “by different methods”.

Life is too short to waste much of it seeking to place the utterances of Mr Johnson anywhere on a sliding scale between calculation and gaffe. Still, it should be noted that the predictable outrage over yet another former London mayor making spurious Nazi comparisons helps, in part, to obscure the fact that the other half of his formulation is nonsense, too.

Even if one was to accept that a single unitary European state was the primary aim of the Third Reich (in much the same way that Cecil Rhodes, perhaps, was a disinterested Pan-Africanist), one should remember that it is not, in fact, the stated aim of the European Union, or of those campaigning for Britain to remain within it. Mr Johnson knows this. In pretending otherwise, with or without Hitler, his aim is not to inform but to alarm.

He is not alone in his hyperbole. On the Remain side, “Project Fear” is well named. Last week, David Cameron’s crass intimations of war and genocide should Britain leave the EU were a facile distortion of the undeniable role that European unity has played in securing seven decades of peace. He must know that, broadly speaking, Britain and the rest of Europe will remain equally unlikely to erupt in consuming flames, whatever we decide in June. Last month, George Osborne was happy to shout in a loud voice that the Treasury had calculated that Brexit would cost the average household £4,300, but only ever muttered, in a far softer one, that the figure was a worst-case projection for a decade-and-a-half down the line.

The Brexit camp shouts louder. Sir John Major was quite correct last week to attack Vote Leave campaigners for overstating their case. Michael Gove is content to argue that 88 million more people could arrive in Britain when countries such as Turkey join the EU, when he must know full well that Turkey almost certainly won’t join the EU and, even if it did, it is unlikely that each and every Turk would make haste for Dover.

Similarly, it has become a mantra that Britain sends £350 million to Europe each week (the figure is on the side of Mr Johnson’s battle bus) and every time the claim is made, the person making it must know full well that around half of it comes straight back again.

It was unworthy of Mr Johnson to suggest that Barack Obama favoured British membership of the EU because his “Kenyan ancestry” gave him a dislike of the UK, and frankly ridiculous of employment minister Priti Patel to have suggested that the IMF’s verdict that Brexit could cause a recession had come about because Christine Lagarde (the managing director) owed Mr Osborne a favour. Like so much else, this is the sound of a concerted effort to have the wrong argument.

The right argument is a quieter one. Mark Carney, of the Bank of England, deserves more respect for his suggestion last week that Brexit could spark a recession. Vote Leave campaigners, who consider him wrong, would be better off explaining why, rather than demanding his resignation. Mr Gove, in his calmer moments, has begun outlining a possible future in which Britain leaves the single market but retains access to it. His opponents would be better off engaging with this idea, and critiquing it, rather than ridiculing it.

Britain deserves better than the shrill point-scoring into which this debate has descended. Six weeks from now our decision will be made. The public cries out for facts, analysis and sober projections of two wholly credible paths for our future. Leave Hitler out of it.

animals wrote:EU je napravljena zbog lakseg protoka robe i ljudi..
a sad, sto Nijemci imaju najacu industriju i imaju najvise koristi od nje,
to je druga prica..

Edin H. wrote:

mouton noir wrote: izjava jednog Borisa Johnsona povod za otvaranje teme



ne znam jeli gluplja sama izjava bivseg 'nacelnika koji ocajnicki pokusava da sakupi poene da bi se promovisao u novog lidera konzervativaca, ili otvaranje teme na osnovu te izjave kao osnov za raspravu dali BiH treba uci u EU ili ne

Upravo suprotno, ali cini se malo teze kontas

Naravno da je Johnson, vjerovatno namjerno pretjerao sa svojom izjavom, medjutim sustina je istinita. Bas na primjetu BiH se vidi u sta pretvorise nekada solidnu republiku u okviru bivse drzave. Jos od samoga rata u BiH vidjela se latentnost EU, nezainteresovanost i slabost da se rijesi krizna situacija. Tako je bilo sve do momenta dok Amerikancima nije pukao film. Poslije rata da umjesto cvrstom politikom pomognu BiH da stane na noge, zrtvu preko reda prime u EU, pretvorili su BiH u trziste jeftine radne snage i zaduzenu zemlju, uz to plasirajuci proizvode bez carina i zastite domace proizvodnje, te konsekventno onemugucili BiH da obnovi industriju, uz to nudeci zauzvrat nista ili jako malo. BiH politicari uglavnom sluze samo za aminovanje njihovih odluka.

Da li je poenta ulaska u EU ono sto se desilo sa Poljskom, Litvanijom I Bugarskom npr. jeftina radna snaga na Zapadu? A zauzvrat mogucnost ulaska velikih zapadnih koncerna i preuzimanje trzista u tim zemljama, u oblastima u kojima imaju interesa?

stakasa wrote:

animals wrote:EU je napravljena zbog lakseg protoka robe i ljudi..
a sad, sto Nijemci imaju najacu industriju i imaju najvise koristi od nje,
to je druga prica..

Naravno.
I taj protok ljudi odgovara svima, nije ovo sistem gdje jedan gubi kad drugi dobija. Da se ne dobija davno bi se EU raspala

Edin H. wrote:

Ajatolah_ wrote:Šta je tačno zlo u ujedinjenju Evrope? Naravno da je izjednačavanje ideje Evropske Unije s onim što je Hitler imao u glavi blago rečeno pretjerano, ali ajde.

Sudeci po Johnsonu zato sto je to uvijek tragicno zavrsilo.