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#85276 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:14
by SanskiBiser
jutro pod Izjumom unistavanje ruske samohotke...


#85277 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:16
by lajkujMe
Sta su Ameri sve do sada dali Ukrajini bez lend lease i 40mlr dolara



Ovoliko neke armije u Europu nemaju

Samo Humweya i M113 je 300 kom
Skoro 100 haubica i preko 200.000 155mm municije.
5000 javelina i jos 14.000 drugih protiv oklopa
17 protiv artiljerijskih radara, 4 protiv minobacaca i 2 early warning radari.

Na stotine dronova samoubica i drugih vrsta


A jos nije aktivan lend lease.
Sta kad sad pocnu stizati ozbiljnije Igracke hoce li Rusi moci pratiti?
Evo sve trce.

Ukrajina sad jaca nego 24 februara kad su zaustavili hordu.
Uz stranu pomoc i pomoc Ruske zarobljene tehnike...

Pa da ponovim

Oslobodjeni su

Kijev, Cernijev, Sumi, Karkiv i zapadna obala Crnog Mora.

Kijevske TO se rasporedjuju sad takodjer, to jest dolazi novi val friske vojske.
A ako je Karkivsku frontu oslobodila TO sto ne bi malo po jugu i istoku ostali poceli s djelovanjem?

Proslo dovoljno vremena da se te jedinice osposobe za akcije.

Sto je Vlad rekao jucer u onoj reportazi.
Najbolji smo u konsolodaciji jedinica.
Imamo mnogo iskusnih veterana u ratu smo 8 godina.
1 pa 2 pa 3 val proslih mobilizacija.
Uz ovaj sadasnji novi.

Po nekim procjenama Ukrajinci imaju oko 700.000 do 800.000 iskusnih vojnika koji su prosli rat od 2014 i bili na istocnom frontu.
Vecina je mobilizovana i pod oruzjem.
Ukrajini ne fali ljudstva i oficirskog kadra njima fali jos oklopa, jos artiljerije i jos modernijeg naoruzanja da bi mogli nadjacati Ruse u tom domenu.

Rusima je jos jedino ostala Zracna i Artiljerijska pomoc.
Doduse za zracnu nadmoc cemo staviti jedan veliki ?

#85278 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:22
by Bossona


M982 Excalibur visoko precizne dalekometne topovske granate navođene GPS-om već su u upotrebi u Ukrajini.

#85279 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:23
by mirota
kako su krenuli Ukri, ima da i Krim oslobode :lol: :lol: :lol:

#85280 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:26
by lajkujMe
Pa opet da naglasim za ove pod iluzijama Ruske pobjede

Moskva je potopljena
Admiral Makarov i dalje nije slikan
Rusi nemaju zracnu nadmoc i Ukrajinska avijacija i dalje vrsi dejstva.
Vraceni pod kontrolu Kijev, Karkiv, Sumi i Cernijev i sve oko njih.
Zmijsko ostrvo je mrtva stijena.

A na vanjskopolitickom nivou Rusi su uspjeli
Preko noci postati zemlja s najvise sankcija na svijetu
Mnostvo stranih firmi je napustilo trziste Rusije od toga mnoge strateske firme za elektroniku i ekstrakciju nafte i gasa.
Osudjeni u UN i izbaceni iz nekih tijela UNa
Europa tjs zapad se ujedinio a NATO nikad jaci

Finska i Svedska ulaze u NATO 100% i to ove sedmice predaju za clanstvo zajedno.

25.000 mrtvih i 70.000 ranjenih kod Rusa uz minimalno 3800 unistenih motornih vozila
Minimalno 70 do 80 izgubljenih aviona i helikoptera
A nemojte zaboraviti Marijupolj i dalje nije pod Ruskom kontrolom

A sama Rusija je usla u nacisticki stil vodjenja drzave uz eksplicitne fasisticke odlike drustva.

#85281 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:49
by Bossona

Ruske snage u istočnoj Ukrajini podvrgavaju otete Ukrajince neopisivim mučenjima i pogubljenjima. Ovom Ukrajinacu u toku zarobljneištva na leđima je urezana svastika.

Nazivanje ukrajinskih boraca patriota “nacistima” je smišljena politika Putina i Moskve kao izgovor i pravdanje agresije na Ukrajinu pod tzv. denacifikacijom Ukrajine ravnaju gradove i sela, dok u okupiranim dijelovima ističu ruske zastave i vrše rusifikaciju tih djelova okupirane Ukrajine.

#85282 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 07:50
by splinter
mirota wrote: 11/05/2022 07:23 kako su krenuli Ukri, ima da i Krim oslobode :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nije nužno. Dovoljno je da srokaju krimski most i zavrnu pipu za dotok vode na sjeverno krimskom kanalu.
Bolje je ostatak snaga usmjeriti na Belogorod i malo zapišavati teritoriju RF, a nije da nisu blizu.

#85283 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:02
by scarface32
Bossona wrote: 11/05/2022 07:49
Ruske snage u istočnoj Ukrajini podvrgavaju otete Ukrajince neopisivim mučenjima i pogubljenjima. Ovom Ukrajinacu u toku zarobljneištva na leđima je urezana svastika.

Nazivanje ukrajinskih boraca patriota “nacistima” je smišljena politika Putina i Moskve kao izgovor i pravdanje agresije na Ukrajinu pod tzv. denacifikacijom Ukrajine ravnaju gradove i sela, dok u okupiranim dijelovima ističu ruske zastave i vrše rusifikaciju tih djelova okupirane Ukrajine.
Vecih nacista od Rusa nema. I to od prije drugog svjetskog.Da ih nije Hitler napao (izradio dogovor) ko zna kako bi svijet izgledao danas.

#85284 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:07
by lajkujMe
Jucer sam vidio video o live mucenju Ukrajinskog civila od strane Rusa.
Nisam htio da ga stavim ovdje jer je poprilicno uznemirujuci.

Dovoljno je reci da mu je akumulator spojen na usi i da ga tuku

Civil da napomenem ne vojnik

#85285 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:19
by sumirprimus

#85286 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:25
by Chmoljo
Messier wrote: 11/05/2022 02:49
Chmoljo wrote: 11/05/2022 02:33

Miteran nije, Širak u stvari jeste.

naravno da stvari nisu tako jednostavne, niti se mogu posmatrati u uskom kontekstu. jasno je da postoji mnogo faktora koji su se tu prelamali, npr. katastrofalna akcija u Somaliji je Amerikance napravila poprilično rezervisanim u pogledu intervencija.

tako, nešto apsolutno nevezano za nas se ipak odražava na nama.

ali opet stoji teza da je Miteran bio prosrpsko govno, a Širak nije. uz njega i manjak smradova poput Majora svakako da bi intervencija bila izglednija, jer nije sve počelo '92, nego godinu prije.
Stvarno mislis da je katasrofalna situacija u Somaliji, Amerikance malo suspregnula u intervencijama?

U picku materinu.

Pa pola njih u Pentagonu ne zna gdje je Somalija.
saznalo je kad je 18 amerikanaca poginulo u jednoj akciji. nema potrebe da idemo u off.

#85287 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:25
by sumirprimus
lajkujMe wrote: 11/05/2022 08:07 Jucer sam vidio video o live mucenju Ukrajinskog civila od strane Rusa.
Nisam htio da ga stavim ovdje jer je poprilicno uznemirujuci.

Dovoljno je reci da mu je akumulator spojen na usi i da ga tuku

Civil da napomenem ne vojnik
zanimljivo sve ono sto pripisuju drugima rade upravo oni, ponasaju se ko nacisti, ruse gradove, drze civile kao taoce, likvidiraju, pale, siluju, otimaju, kradu, muce, imaju filtracijske kampove u 21 vijeku. zvuci poznato da se ne lazemo?

#85288 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:37
by lajkujMe
Onaj video artiljerijskog dejstva nad Ruskom kolonom blizu Makiivke.
Predpostavlja se da su koristene ili Kvitnik laserske granate ili Bonus 155mm laserske.

Od 11 pokretnih tenkova 7 je pogodjeno direkt.
Obicna artiljerija onako ne mozeđ

#85289 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:41
by sumirprimus
od pocetka ukri koriste jos od onih famoznih snimaka unistavanja kolona orka oko kijeva.
tja kvitnik, samo je pitanje koliko mogu sustici produkijom.

#85290 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:46
by Mrljavi


Kharkiv region slobodan, al' su zato i Rusi zauzeli jedno i pO selo u Donbasu. :lol:

#85291 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:49
by sumirprimus
rekoh kad nadjem postavicu, ko hoce da cita nek cita ko nece naravno zaobidje...
ovo sumnjam da je lafina, vise djelo kao i za ruske planove o invaziji na ukrajinu, podugacko je stivo no daje uvid u odnose rusko ukrajinske, spijunske, i slicno..neka svako prosudi za sebe.
April 30, 2022
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OPERATION: NOVOROSSIYA THE HISTORY OF RUSSIAS NEO NAZI PSYOP IN UKRAINE : PART 1 OF 6
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preface

The Nazi Problem?

As we perhaps stand on the steps of impending doom, with the saber rattling of the Kremlin and the WW3 cheerleaders of Russian media, one needs to think, how did we get here? Its obvious Putin is mad and Russians have proved themselves culpable. But how did we really get here? Well if you are team Russia, than its first and foremost Nazis, Ukrainian Nazis. Not NATO, not the USA, the first reaction is Azov Nazis. Putin used this narrative to justify his Special Military Operation. But why would a country with the highest numbers of Neo Nazis and hate crimes of any major country, with obvious issues of its own, use the fear of Nazis as the main narrative for such an operation? Its because their GRU propaganda wing has been planning it for 20 years. The GRU and FSB used a successful narrative in 2014 to justify interventions in Donbas and Luhansk as well as the annexation of Crimea. The Russian propaganda leaked a tranche of information to Western media about The Ukraine Neo Nazi problem from 2013 to 2016, successfully ‘nudging’ stories on Time, NBC, Guardian etc etc. Ukrainian Nazis from Azov was a viral story, giving Putin a pass and making the West think twice before assisting Ukraine militarily and financially. The odd thing was, not a peep about Russia’s Nazi problem across the street in DPR and LPR where they had over a dozen Neo Nazi and facist battalions with 20k members. Compare that to Azov who had at most 3k. Not a word about the 2014 independent study that ranked Russia the highest percentage of hate crimes of any major country. The last year Russia participated in such studies.
In a good example of how perfectly GRU unit 54777 propaganda media "nudge" works, from 2014-2018 the average Western Media negative coverage of Ukraines far right problem was 6 to 1. With only one outlet questioning the anti-Ukraine reporting as perhaps biased Russian propaganda. Not exactly disinformation, but only reporting one side. You would be hard pressed to find any Western outlets reporting on Russias far right problem, which according to researchers the worst in the world. However academics and intellectual groups like klix little on line publication IFRI from France did a thorough detailed comparison about the issue in BOTH Russia and Ukraine. Before Feb 2022 Russian agencies would start the reporting of anti Ukrainian news and the Western media soon followed. It seemed it took the illegal Russian invasion to break the hypnosis of this well executed attack

This Nazi “nudge” would be the most successful example of a GRU Psyop operation of media suggestion in the 21st century. It worked so well that Russia based their whole invasion in Feb 2022 on it (perhaps WW3). The GRU has strict and precise Directorate regarding Psyops. However the Psyop did not work in 2022. In fact the western media railed against the same narrative that was successful just a few years before. Putin himself was surprised. The FSB coup that was supposed take place minutes after the invasion stalled, agents arrested, assets got cold feet. But more the that, Ukraine intelligence services did a particularly efficient job patching their leaks. Ukraines SBU quietly and clandestinely defeated the mighty FSB and GRU at their own game. To understand Ukraines long time corruption and previous failures, one needs to look no further than their neighbor next door. For most of Ukraines short life as fledgling democracy it was basically a wing of Putin's Russia, with the Russian intel services of GRU,FSB and SVR controlling Ukraine by proxy and infesting the military and SBU with traitors, double agents and sticky fingered politicians, and in turn, influencing their politics. The irony of Russian Ukrainian citizens from Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk citing the corruption inside Rada as the reason of their political leanings towards Russia and the referendum. All a bit ironic as well as it was Russia and Putins oligarchs corrupting the state.

To say Ukraine is a completely different country since 2014 is an understatement. SBU and the intelligence wing of the military: GUR MOU have had numerous highly public successful operations, including the brazen arrest of 33 Wagner mercenaries in Belarus and the DPR terrorists behind the downing of Malaysia Air flight.(read RPB special in depth look at SBU arrests soon) However not to underestimate the cleaning of their side of the street. The amount of Russian double agents outed and politicians disgraced is overwhelming. Generals, Colonels and Admirals of the UAF as well as a complete purge and re-structuring of the SBU leadership, in which the infiltration went straight to the top. It seems Ukraine was just finding its footing of a nation finally wiping away its Soviet past and Putins clandestine cloak. Not a coincidence Putin took action at the time that he did..

May 01, 2022
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OPERATION NOVOROSSIYA: THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA'S NEO NAZI PSYOP IN UKRAINE: PART2 OF 6

Beginnings of Dignity


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Kyiv, March 2014. The Maidan revolution has taken a different course. The protestors reached the gates of The Rada (parliament) within the crowd, teams of men (and some women) dressed in black with masks on, carrying bats and weapons, leading the chant of “Revolution”. Clearly agitators, this group is called Privy Sector, and they came with the “Not Fucking Around” crowd. Climbing the walls of the Rada, its clear their intent is to break in and kidnap the interior minister and cause chaos inside the grounds of parliament. “No STOP!” is yelled by other protestors “Stop doing the work for Putin”..”This is what Putin Wants!” is heard. We would later find out, that is exactly what was planned inside the walls of Kremlin secret intelligence agencies years prior.
Mixed in with the crowd of Left Wing Right Wing Nationalists, are old, young,next to LGBT next to extremists and Neo Nazis in what seemed like an organic necessary movement, were dozens of trained GRU and FSB undercover agents, some even infiltrated the far right groups within Azov and Right Sector and for years, recruited and trained radicalized Ukrainians, pushing the agenda of overthrowing and/or destabilizing the fragile Ukrainian Government.



In early 2004, Putin and his minions at the FSB and GRU, with the help of intel from the SVR, devised a brilliant plan... to destabilize and weaken European Governments (Ukraine included) by secretly funding and training a deadly web of Neo Nazi far right groups.



Famed KKK Grand Wizard David Duke characterized Russia as the “key to white survival,” and American white supremacist Richard Spencer recently identified Russia as the “sole white power in the world.” Both Jared Taylor—founder of the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance—and Matthew Heimbach—a Unite the Right organizer and leader of the now-defunct Traditionalist Workers Party—have met in person with ultranationalist Russian political leaders in 2015 and 2017, respectively. Russian intelligence officials have directly interacted and financially supported many other far-right groups around the world, such as the Hungarian National Front, (a neo-Nazi supported political movement with a strange affinity for Putin) as well as The Nordic Resistance Movement in Sweden and has acknowledged soft but substancial support of several other right wing groups from the United States, South America, Africa, new Zealand and Europe.



In recent reporting, Michael Weiss uncovered emails from a Russian National Mikhail Yakushev, describing meetings set up with Matteo Salvini, an Italian former Deputy Prime Minister and member of the Italian Far-Right League (Italys Nationalist and Neo-Nazi, anti immigrant party.) Salvini, who Putin once described as “the best statesman currently on earth” was outed by the London based Dossier Center, which found documentary evidence linking Salvini and his party to dark funds from the Kremlin and basically a proxy arm for Putin, peddling support for Russia’s war against Ukraine and for stronger ties with Russia.

Who is Mikhail Yakushev? Well he is the director of Tsargrad, (an organization and media conglomorate financed by Putin and the propaganda wing of the GRU unit 54777 or GLAVPUR, whose mission is “the revival of the greatness of the Russian Empire. But who’s only real main goal is to acquire foreign assets, mainly focused on Far-Right, Extremist, Radical and Neo Nazi groups. Tsargrad is just the tip of the spear, it oversees dozens of companies that donate, sponsor and even finance political parties, politicians and even high ranking military personnel and defense contractors. With Tsargrad being an umbrella company, it gives the GRU some distance and plausible deniability by not having any direct connection to political donations and the shell companies that operate globally under the guise of business as usual organizations.



Yakushevs boss is a lovely fellow named Konstantin Malofeev, who is the chairman of Tsargrad. Malofeev is a known radical with ties to the DPR and is widely know as the money man for the Separatists and pro-Russia military groups in Donbas and Luhansk. He was also black listed and sanctioned by the EU and the US for financing the operations in Crimea in 2014 during the illegal annexation and Invasion of Ukraine. The “Little Green Men” that Russia claimed was definetaly not their military? That was Malofeev.



Tsargrad and Malofeev, under the GRUs direction, continued to worm their way into far right organizations across Europe, financing political parties and spreading Anti-Ukraine rhetoric. Trying to drum up support for what became the invasion of Ukraine. In March 2021 Malofeev started a plan taken straight out of the Soviet playbook, he created a network of assets and useful idiots all to recruit foreigners abroad in order to foster Bolshevism and forment coups. One of the main “idiots” turns out to be none other than French Presidential candidate Marine Le Pen, a famed chauvinist and Neo Nazi sympathizers. Malofeevs right hand man Sergei Rudov, head of Malofeev's Saint Basil the Great Charitable Foundation, which was one of Russia’s wealthiest philanthropies were responsible in contributing tens of millions into US right wing political groups like the NRA (infiltrated by FSB agent Maria Butina) and the anti LGBT lobby as well as White Supremecy groups responsible for the Neo Nazi "Unite The Right" rally.

Ironic that Putins premise for invasion was for the De-Nazification of Ukraine. All while he was funneling billions to nazis across Europe and the United States

The annexing of Crimea and the separation of Donbas and Luhansk in 2014 would solidify some of the right wing militias familiar to us today. In DNR and LNR the Russian (Pro Russian, Anti Ukrainian) Neo Nazis would go on to form the many units fighting alongside the Sepratists in Eastern Ukraine. Sparta and Vayrag Battalions among others. The other ethnic Russian Neo Nazis who split off due to their Anti Putin/Kremlin ideology would join Ukrainian Russians and ethnic Ukrainians in Kharkiv and Mariupol to form Azov Battalion (the militarized branch of Azov Movement) and then the rest would go back to Russia and filter in with militias back ithere. The most interesting development was the more elite Neo Nazi members with military experience would fall in with Wagner Group and Moran Group to become paid contractors. Many of the younger soldiers calling themselves Rusich Group and Karpaty Battalion would fall under Wagner. The most interesting discovery was that this was the first acknowledgment that many of these members were in fact klix FSB and GRU Spetnaz who were working as deep cover assets or collaborators in Ukraine. Wagner still avoids to confirm this information publicly, but it was confirmed that they were working directly for Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu at his EMERCON training facility. EMERCON a Russian government agency that oversees the country’s emergency services and is the agency in charge of actually planning the missions for the private military groups. It was very specific in contracting personnel. The first private contractors with EMERCON, Antiterror Orel (a pre cursor to Wagner) only hired elite GRU and FSB Spetnaz, a standard that was concrete upon vetting personnel. With the amount of klix FSB and GRU trained Neo Nazi soldiers that relocated back from Ukraine, its not that hard to imagine how many assets and informants were left behind. Especially among Azov and Privy Sector.

he GRU Psyop officially went public in 2014. Since Ukraine in a Russian context does not exist. "NOVOROSSIYA" was the name given to the new land of the Seperated States of Donbas and Luhansk. It is based on the original flag of the former 17th century colonial Russian territory. If you think it resembles the Condfederate Flag of The Southern States you are correct. DPR which is a confederate state of Ukraine is also a haven of ultra racists sepratists and Neo Nazi militias. The Confederate Flag was actually designed by famed white supremacist and German-American Nicola Marschal born in St. Wendel, in Rhenish Prussia
May 03, 2022
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OPERATION NOVOROSSIYA: THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA'S NEO NAZI PSYOP IN UKRAINE: PART 3 OF 6: THE GREY CARDINAL AND UNIT 54777
The Grey Cardinal and unit 54777


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In 2004, Before this GRU operation was at its streamlined global stage, the roots of this movement were just beginning to take hold, the early, dirty and ugly part of this operation.

Putins idea for the taking of Ukraine was already in motion. Inside the headquarters of the GRU, with the notorious entrance’s Batman logo engraved in Marble tile, on the second floor that agents call the Aquarium, is the highly secretive propaganda wing of the mighty GRU, unit #54777. Originally named GLAVPUR, the provenance to 54777 was originally a Soviet era pysops directive that was a part of the Special Propaganda Directorate, a unit within a unit (with full oversight of the army) named GLAVPUR (Glavnoye Politicheskoye Upravlenie, or the Main Political Department). GLAVPUR was a powerful testimony to Bolsheviks’ constant fear of the army going rogue or klix. The units initial objective was to feed propaganda, to bolster morale and nationalism towards Soviet military personel in peacetime rather than towards Western soldiers but changes cohesively in times of war. This doctrine was actually accidentally parroted on air by Margarita Simonyan the editor-in-chief of RT, the Kremlin’s English-language propaganda channel. “Right now, we’re not fighting anyone,” Simonyan told the Russian newspaper Kommersant in a 2012 interview. “But in 2008 we were fighting. The Defense Ministry was fighting with Georgia, but we were conducting the information war, and what’s more, against the whole Western world. It’s impossible to start making a weapon only when the war already started! That’s why the Defense Ministry isn’t fighting anyone at the moment, but it’s ready for defense. So are we.” In 1992 GLAVPUR was dismantled after the fall of the Soviet Union but was rebranded as unit 54777. The unit updated the directive by essentially cementing that Russia is actually more stable if it would be in constant state of war. Unit 54777s creation was coincidentally created (or updated) just in time for the Russian war with Chechnya and was responsible for making the anti-Chechen propaganda movies “Dogs of War” and “Werewolves”. What stands out with unit 54777 and 29155 is not that they are GRU units, but it is one of the few know units that works with, and shares intel with FSB and SVR, giving it carte blanche to coordinate and plan operations at home and abroad.

In March of 2004 Putin hired a new “personal aide”, a young and influential rising political star named Vladislav Surkov (real name Aslambek Dudayev) aka The Grey Cardinal, a nephew of famed anti Russian warlord/terrorist and former Chechen President Dzhokhar Dudayev (crazy right?) Surkov got his start working as the head of marketing for now exiled former billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Surkov raised through the ranks, eventually becoming the head pf PR for several of Khodorkovskys companies, includingBank Menatep, Rosprom and Alfa-Bank. In which he served as Putins personal ATM, funneling billions into Putins pockets and shell companies. Before receiving this new position as “aide”, he was already approached as an asset and started working indirectly for GRU unit 54777. During this time he was already conceiving and planning a widespread directive who’s main mission was to create influence with foreign governments and to destabilize and eventually create a pretext for the war for Ukraine. By being Putins aide, it would not only give him direct access to Putin, but to also make sure Putin had full oversight of these new plans and operations. Surkov was an avid art collector, and he used a brilliant technique for auctioning by actually bidding for his own art by staging fake bidders disguised as private art collectors. During the auctions he would purposely over inflate the price of the art work by staging fake bidding wars, leading other bidders to pay criminal amounts of money for pieces that were already over priced. He used this method, along with his years of propaganda and PR work to begin campaigns of meddling and interference of Western Governments. By supporting apposing political parties and pushing propaganda for parties with different agendas it would inadvertently cause confusion, leading all sides of an issue confused and eventually calling each others narratives fakes, leaving the public and supporters confused, not knowing whats real or whats not. As long as both sides scream fake Russian propaganda war wins. For Putin the agenda for creating a context on creating a war with Ukraine began to take hold. He used intel compiled from SVR and the personnel of GRU and FSB to start working on connections into Ukraines political system all with the help from the top secret unit 54777. Surkov’s strategy would not only pertain to the far right. The Psyop only works if you control the narrative on both sides, so while having intel and soft control of the right pro war,Surkov was also instrumental in buying a slew of Left wing protestors, journalist and politicians that were overtly anti war, in the guise of anti racists and peace activists they were actually pro Kremlin hacks, with full pockets of Kremlins money

The invasion Ukraine was not as black as white as it seems, no matter what narrative you follow. Surkov for years perfected a strategy for the stability of future Russia, and he believed that without the expansion of the empire, Russia is doomed to fail. For centuries, the Russian state, with its harsh and sedentary political interior, has been preserved solely due to the relentless striving beyond its own borders. It has long forgotten how to survive, and most likely, it will never be able to survive in other ways. For Russia, constant expansion is not just one of the ideas, but a genuine existential confirmation of its historical existence. Surkovs belief that annexing Crimea was a perfect example of Russia’s brilliant foresight and power, and the lack of a response was proof the global community is powerless and divided, and the USA unstable and divided. It seemed Surkov gloated in his own work, his oversight and mission planning on the GRU attack into the influencing of the U.S. political system with the 2016 election of Donald Trump, who the Russian intel services considered an asset and the right wing media another tool of the GRU propaganda machine. Surkov and Putins distaste with America was more than paranoia, they felt the U.S. and their Jewish masters created the internet as the perfect weapon against the Russian motherland. That the open flow of information was meant to destabilize society and allow their public to become vulnerable and agreeable to the U.S and its policies, which would in effect be the demise of Russia and other authoritarian states. He believed the Internet was a spawn of the devil and against the principals of god, and Russia’s 20 years of growth and modernization (the golden age he called it) a false dream that was bound to fade away. Russia can only survive if its in a state of war, and he felt that nobody had the testicle fortitude to stand in their way.

Surkov beliefs were published in a manifesto available to the public in 2016. Known as "The Surkov Leaks" it was a collection of over 4000 detailed emails from 2013-2016 acquired through the hacking of the Kremlins server. It was not recieved well by Putin and the Intelligence world, feeling he revealed all the Kremlins goals and aspirations of global domination. When Ukraine was mentioned, Surkov revealed that the invasion in 2014 and the upcoming invasion in 2022 was not in fact due to a country seized by Nazis and fascists, begging for Russian intervention to help the Russian speaking population. But in his own words ““a clear example of the consolidation of society at the expense of the chaotization of a neighbouring country”. Touching on his theory that in Physics chaos (disorder) never diminishes, but on the contrary almost always increases.. Meaning that Russia not only wants a chaotic world order, but requires it to survive. Going back to the GRU directive that national survival requires the nation to be in a constant state of war, a hybrid war. The end goal of the Kremlin’s actions in Ukraine since 2013 has been to achieve political influence there and, to halt the country’s movement westward ─ which could ultimately result in accession to NATO. On the overt level, this was done via the puppet statelets of Donetsk and Luhansk. At the covert level, Russia interfered in Ukrainian elections, organised and funded a pan-Ukrainian campaign for a ‘soft federalisation’ of the country, attempted to change Ukraine’s constitution and establish an alternative centre of power, and created an illusion of widespread support for these activities. All of these activities were enabled by the intrinsic weaknesses of the Ukrainian state, aided by corruption and a collapse of state authority. The Kremlin also relied on two types of local actors: ideological allies and paid collaborators. This Opus eventually got Surkov removed from Putins good graces. A simple piece of open thought after 16 years of influence and planning leading up to the failed invasion which the Kremlin thought was going to be accomplished in 10 days was a complete collapse in strategy and intelligence, and it seemed Surkov was the lamb sent for slaughter as he was arrested for “theft in March of 2022. Years after designing the strategy with Putin and the GRU in 2004
Surkov despite his position was not directly involved or even brought in to the operational level of the GRU and FSB. He simply manifested the operation and Putin implemented it. Even the head of the GRU at the time Gen Valentin Korabelnikov was privy to Surkovs manifestos. GRU leadership is know for their comically short shelf life. Not to take away the many connections Surkov has within the Kremlin's Intel agencies. Many felt if Putin has the power, it was because Surkov created it.

The tactics used to destabilise the entire country of Ukraine was Russia’s alleged plan for ‘soft federalisation’, in a further effort to prevent its ‘westward movement’ in light of the failure to instigate a series of uprisings in Ukraine’s Russian-speaking districts in which in 2004, Surkov, Putin, GRU, FSB, with help of intel from SVR, had already set in motion the dastardly operation to fund and control the Neo Nazi elements in Ukraine.

By infiltrating the klix fringe units of Bandera nationalists from West Ukraine, they would create a more powerful and well organized group of units with the end goal of creating a supported and influential political party of dangerous right wing radicals with Neo Nazi ties. They took the Western Ukraine ideology and helped spread it across Ukraine. The initial goals of GRU was simple, to recruit and to cause chaos and violence against the Russian speaking and Russian sympathizers in Ukraine. Very nice of Putin to make plans NOT to kill Ukrainians, but to murder and torture his fellow Russians. They were already successful with infiltrating Russian right wing groups so they had the perfect model to rally around. Sending 3000 Russians into Ukraine who’s main goal was to destabilize the country enough in which regime change would favor stronger ties to Russia. Because how could the West be sympathetic to a country that is run by Neo Nazis right? A destabilized Ukraine, or a government controlled by Neo Nazis would only benefit Putin, so our lovely leader can swoop in on a golden hawk to save and liberate the poor people of Ukraine, to disband the government and replace it with his Russian cronies, and when in power, lower the Ukrainian flag and raise the new flag of not Russia, but the new “independant” country of Novarossia or New Russia. Putins klix end game is not the klix saving Ukraine, but to completely erase Ukraine from history, as according to him, Ukraine is not real, it is and always will be a part of Russia. So, for better terms, we shall call this crafty mission “Operation Novarossia”
On our Twitter thread we explained our theoretical analysis of the current climate within the borders of Russia itself. It would be redundant to believe Surkov would allow himself and his ideals to be snuffed out in the middle of the night by a knock on the door and a suicide note on the bed. The truth is he had a "self destruct" button for a " Putin rule" in case of said untimely demise. Not to say Surkov started this coup and sabotoge at the operational level, but simply a suggestion given to the right person, with the right loyalty, with the same vision as Surkov himself. Many in Russias intel circles believed if Putin was the President and ruler, than its Surkov who got him there. Not to take light in the fact Surkovs tactics were the base upon every political decision made in Russia since 2004 was first devised by none other than Surkov himself. Considering the surgical precision, targets, and the clandestine operations would only be manifested by actors privy to such knowledge and power.

#85292 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:52
by Mrljavi
sumirprimus wrote: 11/05/2022 06:36 Malo OT :mrgreen:

Znaci ipak su izbili au golemo sad je sva ligisitika na udaru
Ovo je definitivan slom ofanzive iz pravca Izyuma. Sad kad su ovi logisticki pravci u dometu artiljerije, vulkanizeri ce raditi i trecu smjenu. Uz onako kvalitetne gume na ruskim vozilima, nije bas pozeljno da vozis putevima prekrivenim gelerima. :izet:

#85293 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 08:53
by sumirprimus
kaze svake 4 godine mijenjas gume radi sigurnosti postaje plasticna a kod njih s oznakom sssr :lol: :-)
i kae hoec da budu imperija ni za guma nemaju , sjbali se kad su vidjeli kod ljudi kupatila u stanovima :lol: :-)

#85294 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:01
by A_A_AKCIJA
Uh, jutros pročitam vijest na jednom pro-ruskom portalu da je Ministarstvo Odbrane Ukrajine potvrdilo gubitak nekoliko helikoptera na Zmijskom ostrvu. Još naveli imena pilota.

I ne bude mi mrsko, rovi, traži, nema nigdje vijesti.

Nisu normalni, majke mi. Pa ta propaganda može proći kod apsolutno nepismenih osoba.

Dakle, u 100% uzorku, kada god sam uzeo da provjerim slične informacije, ispostavi se da je laž.

Naravno, u pretrazi sam naišao na još gomile i gomile lažnih vijesti o Zmijskom ostrvu.

Ukratko, nemamo pojma šta se dešava. Rusi oborili pazi sad, 32, dakle TRIDESET DVA drona od čega jedanaest Bayra, u ovo dan dva frke oko ostrva. Tu su još

Pet aviona
Tri desantna broda
Tri transportna helikoptera
Jedan jurišni helikopter
Jedna korveta (da, brod korveta, brod :D )
78 vojnika

Aaaahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahaha
Pa za njih nema nikakve nade :D

#85295 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:05
by Mrljavi


Lijepo je pocelo jutro, idemo dalje :evil:

#85296 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:06
by sumirprimus
A_A_AKCIJA wrote: 11/05/2022 09:01 Uh, jutros pročitam vijest na jednom pro-ruskom portalu da je Ministarstvo Odbrane Ukrajine potvrdilo gubitak nekoliko helikoptera na Zmijskom ostrvu. Još naveli imena pilota.

I ne bude mi mrsko, rovi, traži, nema nigdje vijesti.

Nisu normalni, majke mi. Pa ta propaganda može proći kod apsolutno nepismenih osoba.

Dakle, u 100% uzorku, kada god sam uzeo da provjerim slične informacije, ispostavi se da je laž.

Naravno, u pretrazi sam naišao na još gomile i gomile lažnih vijesti o Zmijskom ostrvu.

Ukratko, nemamo pojma šta se dešava. Rusi oborili pazi sad, 32, dakle TRIDESET DVA drona od čega jedanaest Bayra, u ovo dan dva frke oko ostrva. Tu su još

Pet aviona
Tri desantna broda
Tri transportna helikoptera
Jedan jurišni helikopter
Jedna korveta (da, brod korveta, brod :D )
78 vojnika

Aaaahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahaha
Pa za njih nema nikakve nade :D
ma lazu ko peseci, a posle to uzimaju zdravo za gotovo :lol:
istina boli...
jos gori oi iz ruskog sveta i satelita koji preuzimaju i nadaju se, u strahu, jer je istina mnogo surovija :oops:

#85297 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:07
by laserShow
EME91 wrote: 11/05/2022 00:04 Mozda bude salvo artiljerije na Belgorod. Nek i oni osjete sta je rat. Sto da ne. Treba tuci po cijeloj granici.
Istjerat ih makar 30km od granice sa Evropom trajno.
Imas 13 godina ili 83, drugog objasnjenja za ovako glup komentar nemam.

#85298 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:08
by sumirprimus

#85299 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:11
by Spiritbreaker
karanana wrote: 11/05/2022 00:02 E moj walli. Lako ti se bilo kurciti duboko sa teritorije pod amerima i skidati turbandzije u japankama sa sigurne dubine od 3 kilometra. Cim si vidio da i rusi imaju slicne ubice i da uzvracaju podvio si rep sa samo 2-3 ispaljena metka i no kills. Neka, nine tvoj rat, ima ko da ratuje, ali jesi bio poletio....
Mnogi dolasci ovih raznoraznih stranaca su bili fijasko.
Potpisujem, bas me nekako razocarao.

#85300 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 11/05/2022 09:12
by moa
Go Ukrine go