Poenta price jeste da je KATARINA bila BOSANSKA ne HRVATSKA KRALJICA i DA NAS TREBA BITI SRAM I STID DA NISMO U STANJU OCUVATI OSTATKE NA BOBOVCU NI U CIJELOJ BIH A u FRANCUSKOJ CUVAJU STOLICU NA KOJOJ JE PRDNUO LUJ XVIII!!!!!!!!!!!!livadic wrote:Livadicu, nemoj zakuhavat!!!!!!!!!
-------------------------
rahmeta mi dedinog ...
... nije mi to bila namjera ...
samo iznosim cinjenice ...
ps
sabah*sellamcic ...
... u cabar ... 
livadicu....Katarina nije presla na Islam...o livadicu, zar ti je toliko dosadno da moras biti Bosko Buha ko onaj u_prolazu2 i minirati temu???livadic wrote:Poenta price jeste da je KATARINA bila BOSANSKA ne HRVATSKA KRALJICA i DA NAS TREBA BITI SRAM I STID DA NISMO U STANJU OCUVATI OSTATKE NA BOBOVCU NI U CIJELOJ BIH A u FRANCUSKOJ CUVAJU STOLICU NA KOJOJ JE PRDNUO LUJ XVIII!!!!!!!!!!!!
---------------------
da su i francuzi presli na islam ...
prdnuo bi i luj ...
Mislim da kolegi pridaješ i previše značaja, draga moja mIRCi. Mislim da nije kadar zakuhat ni sopstveni ručakmIRCerka wrote:Livadicu, nemoj zakuhavat!!!!!!!!!
mah, bice bolje valjda....samo da se prestanem nervirati....sreca pa su izmjestili ostatke ROYAL porodice sa Bobovca, inace bi se sad ko propeleri okretali....sramota.......vodolija_33 wrote:Mislim da kolegi pridaješ i previše značaja, draga moja mIRCi. Mislim da nije kadar zakuhat ni sopstveni ručakmIRCerka wrote:
Ne shvataj ga ozbiljno
... ... ...ubijas me duzinom svoje poruke....livadic wrote: grijesis ...
eto 
[ ovaj je u tutu ... ... a ne u cabar ... ] ... i cafira ... katarina ... ... vjeruj svom livadicu ... ... 
... !!! 
... ??!!! ... ???
... neargumentovano ... ... vidis da ne kontas ... pa u principu, svaka politicka, istorijska ili kvazipoliticka rasprava, pa i sukob u krajnjoj liniji, svodi se na to pitanje bosne... koliko je u istoriji bila suverena, kome pripada, ko su bosanci?Prenj wrote:Kakve sad to veze ima sa temom?seas of cheese wrote:a evo kako katolicka enciklopedija tvrdi da u bosni odvajkada zive etnicki srbi (ili samo 98%).
). Katolicka enciklopedija takodje 'nepristrasno" priznaje i sljedece:seas of cheese wrote:pa u principu, svaka politicka, istorijska ili kvazipoliticka rasprava, pa i sukob u krajnjoj liniji, svodi se na to pitanje bosne... koliko je u istoriji bila suverena, kome pripada, ko su bosanci?Prenj wrote:Kakve sad to veze ima sa temom?seas of cheese wrote:a evo kako katolicka enciklopedija tvrdi da u bosni odvajkada zive etnicki srbi (ili samo 98%).
da nebi bilo dalje nedoumice katolicka enciklopedija nepristrasno priznaje (za razliku od dokumenta sanu, dobrice cosica, ili bosnjackih falsifikatora tipa filipovic, mahmutcehajic...) da u bosni zive srbi sa tri razlicite konfesije, a pred kraj 19 vijeka srbi pravoslavci bili su brojniji od srba muslimana i srba katolika (taj se broj ocito smanjio genocidom od 1941-1945, te antisrpskom propagandom koja slovi da u bosni ne zive srbi sa tri religije nego tri razlicite nacije odnosno "bosanci" sa tri razlicite konfesije?!?!
dakle to ima itekako veze jer pokazuje cijelo bosansko pitanje iz jasnije istorijske i geopoliticke perspektive.
Znaci Nemanjici su katolici porijeklom. Zanimljivo i objektivno stivo."Stephen I, Nemanja, who was a Catholic, maintained amicable relations with the popes in ecelesiastico-political affairs, especially with Pope Innocent III. He received the latter's legates and letters in a friendly manner and repeatedly assured the pope of his attachment."
da, pa sta sad? u bosni zive etnicki srbi, religija je sekundrna stvar. to je poenta.Prenj wrote:Katolicka enciklopedija takodje 'nepristrasno" priznaje i sljedece:seas of cheese wrote:pa u principu, svaka politicka, istorijska ili kvazipoliticka rasprava, pa i sukob u krajnjoj liniji, svodi se na to pitanje bosne... koliko je u istoriji bila suverena, kome pripada, ko su bosanci?Prenj wrote: Kakve sad to veze ima sa temom?
da nebi bilo dalje nedoumice katolicka enciklopedija nepristrasno priznaje (za razliku od dokumenta sanu, dobrice cosica, ili bosnjackih falsifikatora tipa filipovic, mahmutcehajic...) da u bosni zive srbi sa tri razlicite konfesije, a pred kraj 19 vijeka srbi pravoslavci bili su brojniji od srba muslimana i srba katolika (taj se broj ocito smanjio genocidom od 1941-1945, te antisrpskom propagandom koja slovi da u bosni ne zive srbi sa tri religije nego tri razlicite nacije odnosno "bosanci" sa tri razlicite konfesije?!?!
dakle to ima itekako veze jer pokazuje cijelo bosansko pitanje iz jasnije istorijske i geopoliticke perspektive.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13732a.htmZnaci Nemanjici su katolici porijeklom. Zanimljivo i objektivno stivo."Stephen I, Nemanja, who was a Catholic, maintained amicable relations with the popes in ecelesiastico-political affairs, especially with Pope Innocent III. He received the latter's legates and letters in a friendly manner and repeatedly assured the pope of his attachment."
Vec citirana 'nepristrasna" katolicka enciklopedija podupire i sljedece povijesno dokazane teze:seas of cheese wrote:pa u principu, svaka politicka, istorijska ili kvazipoliticka rasprava, pa i sukob u krajnjoj liniji, svodi se na to pitanje bosne... koliko je u istoriji bila suverena, kome pripada, ko su bosanci?
SeasofCheese, hvala sto si nam ukazao na jos jedan zanimljivi istorijski izvor koji podupire tezu o bogumilskom porijeklu Bosnjaka.The healthy growth of the Church in Bosnia was blighted and stunted by Arianism and the disturbances caused by the wandering of the nations. Irreparable, however, was the damage inflicted by the Oriental Schism. To this day forty-three per cent of the population are Greek Orthodox, calling themselves Servians, and their religion and language Servian. From the earliest times the Church of Christ opposed the Bogomiles, a branch of the Manichaeans, who, varying as to time and place, dress, and nomenclature, are well nigh a historical puzzle. They have been called Paulicians, Phundaites, Eneratites, Marcionites, Christopolites, and, after a certain Bulgarian priest, Bogomiles. They were very numerous in Bosnia, as is proved by the great number of Bogomile graves. From 1292 onwards the Franciscan monks co-operated with the secular clergy in attending to the needs of the faithful.
When in 1463 Stephan Tomasevie, the last native sovereign of Bosnia, was taken prisoner by the Turks and decapitated, there were many Catholics, who in order to save their possessions, renounced their faith and became Mohammedans (now known as "Begs"). Nearly all the Bogomiles became Mohammedans at the same time, and the few who remained true to their faith were degraded to the position of "rayahs", i.e. serfs possessing no civil rights.
Na drugom mjestu citirana enciklopedija tvrdi i sljedece:seas of cheese wrote:da, pa sta sad? u bosni zive etnicki srbi, religija je sekundrna stvar. to je poenta.
The inhabitants of Bosnia and Herzegovina are Servo-Croatians.
Seas of cheese, hvala ti mnogo na ovom dragocjenom izvoru.seas of cheese wrote:pa u principu, svaka politicka, istorijska ili kvazipoliticka rasprava, pa i sukob u krajnjoj liniji, svodi se na to pitanje bosne... koliko je u istoriji bila suverena, kome pripada, ko su bosanci?
SeasofCheese, hvala ti jos jednom sto si nam ukazao na jos jedan zanimljivi istorijski izvor koji podupire tezu o bogumilskom porijeklu Bosnjaka.[/quote]Mostar is the capital of Hersegovina, and numbers 15,000 inhabitants, among whom there are 3500 Catholics. Herzegovina, which lies east of southern Dalmatia, received its name from the title of Herzog (duke) conferred by the Emperor Frederick IV (1448) on the Grand Waywode Stephan Vukcic. In 1463 Stephan Tomasevic, the last King of Bosnia, was made a prisoner by the Turks and beheaded, in defiance of a promise to spare him. Twenty years later Herzegovina came under the rule of Turkey. With Bosnia it received Christianity from the Romans. In the first half of the seventh century the Slavs took possession. In the eleventh century the Eastern Schism and the sect of the Bogomili did the Catholic Church great and unrepaired harm. National writers trace this sect to a Bulgarian priest, Jeremias, who was also called Bogomil. His followers were called Patarenes; they rejected matrimony, allowed no intercourse with those of other religions, unconditionally forbade war and taking of oaths, and wished to yield obedience to no authority but God. In 1483, during the Turkish occupation of the country, the majority of the Bogomili, those of the upper classes, went over to Mohammedanism. Those who remained faithful to Christianity became outlaws (Kajaks). After the siege of Vienna and the retreat of the Turks in 1683, the poor peasants repeatedly took up arms, but only made their condition worse. During this unhappy time the Franciscans, unaided and with great difficulty, preserved the life of the Catholic Church in the country. Not seldom they celebrated Divine service amid the cold and snow in the open air. They lived in the most wretched poverty, and many became martyrs.
taj mit mozes djeliti s svojiom bracom u IZ. kao i ono o slicnosti bogumilskog ucenja i islama. sto je jedna o zescih gluposti koje sam cuo na ovom forumu. ili je potrebno da prevedem ovaj tekst s engleskog, jer nisi dobro razumio? dakle spominje se velika bogumilska zajednica. iza toga se spominje godina 1292 . u vrijeme pred sam dolazak turaka nije bilo znacajnijeg broja bogumila! u ovom tekstu samo stoji da su gotovo svi presli na islam, ali tu ne stoji koliko ih je bilo! to nije nikakav dokaz o bogumilskom porijeklu. takav dokaz imamo i mi o rimskom porijeklu hrvata, jer je bilo starosjedioca prije dolaska slavenskih plemena.Prenj wrote:
The healthy growth of the Church in Bosnia was blighted and stunted by Arianism and the disturbances caused by the wandering of the nations. Irreparable, however, was the damage inflicted by the Oriental Schism. To this day forty-three per cent of the population are Greek Orthodox, calling themselves Servians, and their religion and language Servian. From the earliest times the Church of Christ opposed the Bogomiles, a branch of the Manichaeans, who, varying as to time and place, dress, and nomenclature, are well nigh a historical puzzle. They have been called Paulicians, Phundaites, Eneratites, Marcionites, Christopolites, and, after a certain Bulgarian priest, Bogomiles. They were very numerous in Bosnia, as is proved by the great number of Bogomile graves. From 1292 onwards the Franciscan monks co-operated with the secular clergy in attending to the needs of the faithful.
When in 1463 Stephan Tomasevie, the last native sovereign of Bosnia, was taken prisoner by the Turks and decapitated, there were many Catholics, who in order to save their possessions, renounced their faith and became Mohammedans (now known as "Begs"). Nearly all the Bogomiles became Mohammedans at the same time, and the few who remained true to their faith were degraded to the position of "rayahs", i.e. serfs possessing no civil rights.
SeasofCheese, hvala sto si nam ukazao na jos jedan zanimljivi istorijski izvor koji podupire tezu o bogumilskom porijeklu Bosnjaka.