Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Rasprave o filozofskim temama.
Locked
Mohamad Sissoko
Posts: 2421
Joined: 27/10/2009 22:48

#5076 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by Mohamad Sissoko »

NIN wrote:
Ma znam ja da je tebi ovo smijesno jer si nepismen, a nisi ni s engleskim kako treba jer bi vec znao za taj pojam, sta ces. :D

Nego:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Sci ... CBkQgQMwAA
https://www.google.ba/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei ... st&start=0
https://www.google.ba/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei ... +pismenost

:D
:-D
De mi svega ti reci jel prosječna "raja" može bit naučno pismena po ovoj gore definiciji ili samo onaj ko je naučnik??


NIN wrote:
a nisi ni s engleskim kako treba jer bi vec znao za taj pojam, sta ces. :D


:D

Poznavanja jednog jezika ne ovisi o poznavanju ili nepoznavanju jednog pojma. Ovo je nešto najgluplje što sam ovdje pročitao.
Last edited by Mohamad Sissoko on 21/12/2014 16:25, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
NIN
Posts: 6187
Joined: 15/02/2006 20:18
Location: Via Lactea, Orion Arm

#5077 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by NIN »

Mohamad Sissoko wrote:
NIN wrote:
Ma znam ja da je tebi ovo smijesno jer si nepismen, a nisi ni s engleskim kako treba jer bi vec znao za taj pojam, sta ces. :D

Nego:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Sci ... CBkQgQMwAA
https://www.google.ba/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei ... st&start=0
https://www.google.ba/?gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei ... +pismenost

:D
:-D
De mi svega ti reci jel prosječna "raja" može bit naučno pismena po ovoj gore definiciji ili samo onaj ko je naučnik??
aha, sad vrdas jel :lol:

vrdaj, vrdaj... :D
User avatar
nasa
Posts: 8023
Joined: 25/08/2012 16:46

#5078 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by nasa »

Evo stvarno istina,
znate da je uz poppis i kod nas isla slicna anketa, ne za sve nego nekim su se znali pojaviti u danima popisa i anketari za ova religijska pitanja.Meni nisu ali mojoj rodici jesu i ona kaze da je na pitanje da li vjeruje u Boga odbila da odgovori, kako oni to dalje tretiraju i gdje smjeste je posebno pitanje....a zena je muslimanka. Medjutim upravo ovo sto sam vam napisala, radi na poziciji koja je vazna i kaze meni, vjera je moja privatna stvar, posao koji radim se niti na jedan nacin ne dotice religije i ko ima pravo da me to pita....
User avatar
NIN
Posts: 6187
Joined: 15/02/2006 20:18
Location: Via Lactea, Orion Arm

#5079 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by NIN »

Mohamad Sissoko wrote:
NIN wrote:a nisi ni s engleskim kako treba jer bi vec znao za taj pojam, sta ces. :D
Poznavanja jednog jezika ne ovisi o poznavanju ili nepoznavanju jednog pojma. Ovo je nešto najgluplje što sam ovdje pročitao.
:lol:

legendo!
Mohamad Sissoko
Posts: 2421
Joined: 27/10/2009 22:48

#5080 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by Mohamad Sissoko »

NIN wrote:
Mohamad Sissoko wrote:
NIN wrote:a nisi ni s engleskim kako treba jer bi vec znao za taj pojam, sta ces. :D
Poznavanja jednog jezika ne ovisi o poznavanju ili nepoznavanju jednog pojma. Ovo je nešto najgluplje što sam ovdje pročitao.
:lol:

legendo!
:) dakle ako ne znam jedan termin iz nekog jezika, slabo poznajem isti? Ti si onda zaista presmiješan lik :lol:

Nego ne odgovori ti meni, ko je naučno pismen? Prema gore navedenoj definiciji to može bit svako ili ti misliš da može bit samo onaj ko je dio "naučnog kruga"?

Scientific literacy is the knowledge and understanding of scientific concepts and processes required for personal decision making, participation in civic and cultural affairs, and economic productivity. It also includes specific types of abilities

Da li neko ko nije naučnik može imati ove specific types of abilities ili je to samo rezervisano za "posebne"? Te da li može prosječan čovjek van akademske zajednice da razumije scientific concept ili je to opet rezervisano za "posebne"?
Last edited by Mohamad Sissoko on 21/12/2014 18:48, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
sigh
Posts: 1173
Joined: 22/08/2014 23:12

#5081 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by sigh »

S4mpion wrote:
sigh wrote: Ja nisam ni pricao o ateistima generalno nego sam fino napisao "naucnici" koji su pretezno ateisti.

Drugo, prema Islamu. Ako neko kaze da ne vjeruje u Alaha, da ne ide u dzamiju 5 puta, ne izgovori kelime i sehadet, ne da je zekat, ne ide na hadz itd. taj je po definiciji Islama nevjernik. Tako nesto slicno imamo i u ostalim religijama.

Mislim da je jasno ako se neko ne poklanja nekom bicu, da mozemo slobodno reci da nije klasicni prototip danasnjeg vjernika.
Pa nisam ni ja pričao o ateistima generalno već o naučnicima, zaključak je opet isti, ateisti su u manjini.

Pusti islam, ova rasprava nije iz ugla islama. :meza1:

Čovjek koji vjeruje u Višu Silu je vjernik i opet ponavljam:

Ne postoji klasični i neklasični vjernik. :pusi:
Vjera u visu silu ili neki poredak ne cini te klasicnim vjernikom. Zasto bi pravili uopste razliku u ispitivanju ako su to sve isti vjernici ? :wink:

A da ne pricamo o tome kako si ignorisao totalno drugo istrazivanje prema kojem cak oko 75 % elitnih naucnika ateisti ?
User avatar
nasa
Posts: 8023
Joined: 25/08/2012 16:46

#5082 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by nasa »

elitnih :-? divno

I sta sad da radimo, vecina Srba misli da smo mi Srbi i to pogotovo onih koji bi trebali da se razumiju u ta pitanja porijekla ili ti tvojim rjecnikom elitni Srbi :D da prihvatimo ipak su eliiiiitniiii u pitanju....

Neozbiljni ste svi, skroz :D
User avatar
S4mpion
Posts: 19317
Joined: 24/11/2011 21:16

#5083 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by S4mpion »

sigh wrote:
S4mpion wrote: Pa nisam ni ja pričao o ateistima generalno već o naučnicima, zaključak je opet isti, ateisti su u manjini.

Pusti islam, ova rasprava nije iz ugla islama. :meza1:

Čovjek koji vjeruje u Višu Silu je vjernik i opet ponavljam:

Ne postoji klasični i neklasični vjernik. :pusi:
Zasto bi pravili uopste razliku u ispitivanju ako su to sve isti vjernici ? :wink:
Vjernici, različiti, ali vjernici. :mrgreen:

Uglavnom, pogriješio si, naučnici iz male skupine koju si naveo nisu pretežno ateisti, čine manjinu. :pusi:
Mohamad Sissoko
Posts: 2421
Joined: 27/10/2009 22:48

#5084 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by Mohamad Sissoko »

Samo da mi je znat ko određuje šta je "elitni naučnik" a šta ne, ili naučno pismen ili nepismen :izet: u pogledu ankete, a sama definicija gore na engleskom je široka.
User avatar
nasa
Posts: 8023
Joined: 25/08/2012 16:46

#5085 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by nasa »

pa moj @sigh pitaju te je li konzumiras meso-mesne proizvode, ti kazes da, znaci mesojed si, a onda te pitaju koju vrstu itd. :D
vjerujes u visu silu, u Boga, bogove, dobre duhove...vjernik si, a onda dalje kroz pitanja definises svoju vjeru odnosno da li slijedis neku orgaznizovanu religiju, da li primjenjujes itd.nadam se da ti je jasnije :D
User avatar
skupljac_zeljeza
Posts: 10331
Joined: 12/10/2014 01:12

#5086 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by skupljac_zeljeza »

Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Samo da mi je znat ko određuje šta je "elitni naučnik" a šta ne, ili naučno pismen ili nepismen :izet: u pogledu ankete, a sama definicija gore na engleskom je široka.
Ovaj zid sa knjigama su djelo čovjeka koji sjedi ispred njih. Ostavio stvarno opus iza sebe. Nije svačije da knjige piše. Mora da je inteligentan. :wink:

Image
L u c i f e r
Posts: 12480
Joined: 30/11/2013 14:50

#5087 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by L u c i f e r »

Home / 10News / Analysis: “Psychological Consequences of Islam’s Views on Women”
Analysis: “Psychological Consequences of Islam’s Views on Women”
Analysis: “Psychological Consequences of Islam’s Views on Women”
December 19, 2014 , by Nicolai Sennels 1 Comment 805

Nicolai Sennels is a Danish licensed psychologist known for his writings about the psychology of Islam and Muslim culture. Sennels is author of the book, “Among Muslim Criminals: a Psychologist’s Experiences from the Copenhagen Municipality,” based on his work in Danish capital’s youth prison Sønderbro. He has also published a high number of articles on the subject, which are spread widely on the internet. Together with renowned writers on Islam such as Ibn Warraq, Hans Jansen and Bat Ye’or and others, Sennels contributed a chapter to the Dutch bookIslam: Critical Essays on a Political Religion.

Sennels has appeared as a commentator in Danish national state owned radio and television, and has published articles and interviews in Danish news papers and magazines for professionals. His book is also reviewed in the official Danish magazine for professional psychologists: “The book Among Criminal Muslims is a provoking eye opener, convincing and well founded with concrete examples. It should be read especially by people who think, that ‘more of the same’ (that does not seem to work) is good.” (more reviews here).

When Sønderbro youth prison in 2008 was elected as the best place to serve time by all youth prisoners in Denmark, the leader of Social Services in Copenhagen municipality stated that this was due to the work of Nicolai Sennels (Amagerbladet, November 3, 2008).

Nicolai Sennels has been asked as a constant consulting in connection with the court case against Guantanamo prisoner Omar Khadr; Sennels has appeared on Michael Coren’s show on Canadian Sun News and on Robert Spencer’s show Jihad Watch on the Aramaic Broadcast Network. His book is planned for publication in English in 2013.

Psychological Consequences of Islam’s Views on Women
By Nicolai Sennels

The constant threat of being disowned by their family, having their few privileges revoked, being locked up, beaten or even killed, prevents these Muslim klix and women  from challenging the limitations set by Islamic Sharia Law and its male proponents. The condescending verses in the Islamic scriptures function the same way, as negative psychological propaganda about the enemy that is indoctrinated into a country’s soldiers during war: it demonizes the opponent and removes empathy that would otherwise stop one from harming it.

The vast majority of the 700 million Muslim klix and women worldwide live without basic human rights, such as the freedom to chose their own sexual partners, their clothes, their life style and of course their religion. The constant threat of being disowned by their family, having their few privileges revoked, being locked up, beaten or even killed prevents these Muslim from challenging the limitations set by Islamic Sharia Law and its male proponents. Regular, and often very bloody, examples makes sure that only the bravest and desperate women try to escape or break the rules.

On top of the threats from their own family and the horrible scare examples, come the stories about what happens to “bad klix” when they die.

The Qur’an’s descriptions of the Hells, and Muslim families’ tales about what strange men will do to loose women, form, for those who have been psychologically indoctrinated with the validity of such tales since they were born, an effective mental barrier, prompting even Muslim women who are more free to claim that they wear their veil and invisible chains voluntarily.

Honor crimes

Research suggests that 91 percent of the between 7,000 and 20,000 honor killings each year are committed by Muslims. On top of this statistic come the countless cases of non-deadly honor crimes. In Britain alone, the police estimate that 17,000 cases of honor-based “forced marriages, kidnappings, sexual assaults, beatings and even murders take place every year. In Turkey; 42 percent of women are victims of physical or sexual abuse. In Morocco the share is 82 percent. The data goes on and on.

As a psychologist, from the people who I have treated over the years, it seems as if the manycondescending verses about women in the Qur’an and the Islamic scriptures have been the most significant contributing factor for domestic violence among Muslims. The Islamic scriptures function the same way as negative psychological propaganda about the enemy that is indoctrinated into a country’s soldiers during war: It demonizes the opponent and removes empathy that would otherwise stop one from harming the other person such as women or non-Muslims. The Qur’an thus legitimizes emotions that in more civilized cultures are seen as embarrassing and behavior that according to most non-Islamic laws are illegal. We have seen in Nazi Germany and several psychological experiments (such as the famous Milgram experiment) how a strong authority – in this case the Qur’an, their prophet and their present day proponents – are able to order people to do things that they basic nature under normal circumstanced would prevent them from doing.

The suppression of women in general, and female sexuality in particular, is a central pillar in Islamic culture, and thus seems to be a driving factor in a society that shapes the mental patterns and psychological development of one and a half billion people around the world.

What are, from a psychological perspective, the consequences of the wide spread suppression of women among Muslims?

Love and sexuality

Love is based on — among other emotions and types of behaviour — a mutual feeling of equality, as true love is only possible when one does not force or fear one’s partner. To experience true love men and women within the Muslim culture must break the rules about gender inequality commanded by the Qur’an, Reliance of the Traveller and other Islamic texts. Islam is obviously a serious obstacle that makes it difficult — and in many cases even impossible — to many Muslim men and women to experience the happiness-giving, psychologically healing, bodily healthy and important feeling of love.

The widespread domestic violence and use of forced marriages — often of klix who are not even old enough to be either emotionally or physically mature to marry or who have reached  menarche  (here, here, here, here) — indicates the Islamic culture’s disregard of love. Fragile honour, fear of ostracism and commitment to cultural traditions and religious laws — not love — become the binding factor between many Muslim partners.

Islam and Muslim culture impairs Muslim men’s openness to women by categorizing them as unclean, less worthy, stupid, more likely to end up, in one woman’s words, “burring in Hell for all eternity.” This not only harms their ability to love women as equal partners “” or love them at all “” but can also pervert their sexuality. According to psychoanalytic theory, sexual frustration and impaired ability to love and be loved, can easily result in extreme anger and aggression, among other dysfunctional social behavior. One obvious case is the infamous “underwear bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who attempted to blow up an airplane in midair at Christmas day in 2009. Abdulmutallab struggled with sexual fantasies that according to his Islamic belief were sinful. In order to mentally combat the sexual fantasies he tried to fantasize about jihad instead. In the end he decided to blow up the main cause of his frustrations by hiding the explosives in his underwear: his penis.

Sexual frustration leading to aggressive emotions and behavior of course happens in all cultures, in some cultures – especially the Muslim – more than others.

Perversion

Muslim men’s negative view on women not only has unpleasant consequences for the women, but also for the men. The men’s sexual relationship to women can become disturbed — perhaps more easily than in societies where there are more outlets for this important drive, without which none of us would be here. Being told that women are inferior, combined with living segregated from women to a high degree, can cause the sexual drive to find other ways to release itself, and the thoughts that accompany it to find other, alternative objects of desire. Another example of this well known psychological mechanism is the overwhelming number of cases of sexual abuse of young boys committed by celibate Catholic monks.

Pakistan is apparently the World’s #1 nation when it comes to Google searches on “camel sex,” “donkey sex,” “dog sex” and other outlets. Try Google Trends. Western soldiers searching for enemies at night time using night vision equipment regularly see Iraqi men having sex with donkeys (here and here).

Research among Pakistani truck drivers, for instance, shows that 95 percent of them “indulge in sex with ‘boy’ helpers.” Although according to most psychological schools, homosexuality is not a disturbance of the person’s natural sexual drive — unless it is caused by cultural factors —  the widespread use of bacha bareesh, or “dancing boys” within the Afghan culture, perhaps the world’s most segregated and women-suppressive, is just one sign of a culture that seems to lead to such behavior. A US military report from Afghanistan concludes that “homosexual behavior is unusually common among men in the large ethnic group known as Pashtuns. … Pashtun men commonly have sex with other men, admire other men physically, have sexual relationships with boys and shun women both socially and sexually.” The report also described how male Pashtun interpreters continuously infected each other with gonorrhea. When told by the doctors to be more careful they lied about their homosexual activities and claimed that it happened by mixing different kinds of tea. One US doctor working in Afghanistan had to explain to a local man how to get his wife pregnant:  “When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked, ‘How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.’”

Psychological qualities

Both men and women carry all psychological potentials inside but generally express them differently, depending on the culture within the family and society in which they are brought up. A part of psychological maturity is accepting qualities expressed by other people and inside oneself –Â and trying to live comfortably with them among others.

As the founder of Microsoft, Bill Gates, in a speech in Saudi Arabia, where he found himself facing a strictly segregated audience, answered when he was asked about Saudi Arabia’s chances of becoming one of the Top 10 countries in the world in technology — “Well, if you”re not fully utilizing half the talent in the country, you”re not going to get too close to the Top 10.” The small group of women in the audience erupted in cheers.

Setting Muslim women free and thereby decreasing the amount of frustration and making space for true love between the sexes and the human qualities expressed most convincingly by women, will apply to their societies the benefits that follow from giving free thinking women and men a chance to contribute with their full human potential. Just look at how our Western societies developed after introducing full equality of the sexes.

Muslim fundamentalists seems acutely aware of the power of this, which can explain why they insist on applying sharia laws on women where ever they live.

As Kristina Aamand, a Danish-Pakistani woman working for Muslim women’s sexual rights, pointed out in my interview of her in Jyllands-Posten a couple of years ago: “The aim of social control of the [Muslim] women is to preserve the essence of Muslim culture.”
:|
User avatar
skupljac_zeljeza
Posts: 10331
Joined: 12/10/2014 01:12

#5088 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by skupljac_zeljeza »

L u c i f e r wrote:
:|
L u c i f e r
Posts: 12480
Joined: 30/11/2013 14:50

#5089 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by L u c i f e r »

skupljac_zeljeza wrote:
L u c i f e r wrote:
:|
Image
User avatar
sigh
Posts: 1173
Joined: 22/08/2014 23:12

#5090 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by sigh »

nasa wrote:pa moj @sigh pitaju te je li konzumiras meso-mesne proizvode, ti kazes da, znaci mesojed si, a onda te pitaju koju vrstu itd. :D
vjerujes u visu silu, u Boga, bogove, dobre duhove...vjernik si, a onda dalje kroz pitanja definises svoju vjeru odnosno da li slijedis neku orgaznizovanu religiju, da li primjenjujes itd.nadam se da ti je jasnije :D
Gledaj razumijem ja sta je fora ali to nisu isti vjernici a vi me ubjedjujete da jesu. To su vjernici koji ne praktikuju rituale, to su ljudi koji podrzavaju sekularizam, ne bi zeljeli vidjeti religiju u skoli itd,ne bi odgajali djecu u duhu jedne religije, sve sto bi klasicni vjernik, kao pripadnik neke religije gdje je bog centralna figura, radio. U biti ti ljudi su ateisti ili vise agnostici ali iz raznih kulturnih, socijalnih i porodicnih razloga oni spominju neku visu silu. I ja imam tu fazu iza sebe. Fino je to i prikazano na istrazivanju.

Image

Pogledaj kako se prolazom godinama, smanjivanjem uticaja ovih faktora i povecanjem poznavanja realnosti, raste broj ateista a smanjuje se broj vjernika.
Last edited by sigh on 21/12/2014 19:14, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
sigh
Posts: 1173
Joined: 22/08/2014 23:12

#5091 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by sigh »

nasa wrote:pa moj @sigh pitaju te je li konzumiras meso-mesne proizvode, ti kazes da, znaci mesojed si, a onda te pitaju koju vrstu itd. :D
vjerujes u visu silu, u Boga, bogove, dobre duhove...vjernik si, a onda dalje kroz pitanja definises svoju vjeru odnosno da li slijedis neku orgaznizovanu religiju, da li primjenjujes itd.nadam se da ti je jasnije :D
Gledaj razumijem ja sta je fora ali to nisu isti vjernici a vi me ubjedjujete da jesu. To su vjernici koji ne praktikuju rituale, to su ljudi koji podrzavaju sekularizam, koji ne bi zeljeli vidjeti religiju u skoli itd, ne bi odgajali djecu u duhu jedne religije, sve sto bi klasicni vjernik, kao pripadnik neke religije gdje je bog centralna figura, radio. U biti ti ljudi su ateisti ili vise agnostici ali iz raznih kulturnih, socijalnih i porodicnih razloga oni spominju neku visu silu. I ja imam tu fazu iza sebe. Fino je to i prikazano na istrazivanju.

Image

Pogledaj kako se prolazom godinama, smanjivanjem uticaja ovih faktora i povecanjem poznavanja realnosti, raste broj ateista a smanjuje se broj vjernika. :wink:
User avatar
sigh
Posts: 1173
Joined: 22/08/2014 23:12

#5092 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by sigh »

nasa wrote:elitnih :-? divno

I sta sad da radimo, vecina Srba misli da smo mi Srbi i to pogotovo onih koji bi trebali da se razumiju u ta pitanja porijekla ili ti tvojim rjecnikom elitni Srbi :D da prihvatimo ipak su eliiiiitniiii u pitanju....

Neozbiljni ste svi, skroz :D
Pa neko moze biti bolji a neko slabiji strucnjak, valjda se je to jasno. Ne vidim povezanost tog pitanja sa nekim etnickim i nacionalistickim problemima. :)
Mohamad Sissoko
Posts: 2421
Joined: 27/10/2009 22:48

#5093 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by Mohamad Sissoko »

Problem kod ateista je što smatraju, uz izuzetke, da je vjernik samo onaj koji je i pripadnik neke religije.
User avatar
sigh
Posts: 1173
Joined: 22/08/2014 23:12

#5094 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by sigh »

S4mpion wrote:
sigh wrote:
S4mpion wrote: Pa nisam ni ja pričao o ateistima generalno već o naučnicima, zaključak je opet isti, ateisti su u manjini.

Pusti islam, ova rasprava nije iz ugla islama. :meza1:

Čovjek koji vjeruje u Višu Silu je vjernik i opet ponavljam:

Ne postoji klasični i neklasični vjernik. :pusi:
Zasto bi pravili uopste razliku u ispitivanju ako su to sve isti vjernici ? :wink:
Vjernici, različiti, ali vjernici. :mrgreen:

Uglavnom, pogriješio si, naučnici iz male skupine koju si naveo nisu pretežno ateisti, čine manjinu. :pusi:
A da ne pricamo o tome kako si ignorisao totalno drugo istrazivanje prema kojem cak oko 75 % elitnih naucnika ateisti ?

Ili podatci o naucnicima koji se bave pitanjem fizike i astronomije, u polju gdje je bogu ostala jedina rupa. :P
User avatar
sigh
Posts: 1173
Joined: 22/08/2014 23:12

#5095 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by sigh »

Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Problem kod ateista je što smatraju, uz izuzetke, da je vjernik samo onaj koji je i pripadnik neke religije.
Jesi ti pripadnik neke religije ? Islam ?
Mohamad Sissoko
Posts: 2421
Joined: 27/10/2009 22:48

#5096 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by Mohamad Sissoko »

sigh wrote:
Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Problem kod ateista je što smatraju, uz izuzetke, da je vjernik samo onaj koji je i pripadnik neke religije.
Jesi ti pripadnik neke religije ?
Vjerujem u Boga, higher spirit, higher intelligence ili kako god al nisam prakticirajući član neke religije. Smatram se muslimanom a mnogi bi me nazvali "infidel" :lol: Ne znam ni sam ko ima autoritet da odluči :izet:
User avatar
NIN
Posts: 6187
Joined: 15/02/2006 20:18
Location: Via Lactea, Orion Arm

#5097 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by NIN »

sigh wrote:A da ne pricamo o tome kako si ignorisao totalno drugo istrazivanje prema kojem cak oko 75 % elitnih naucnika ateisti ?

Ili podatci o naucnicima koji se bave pitanjem fizike i astronomije, u polju gdje je bogu ostala jedina rupa. :P
Kad vec tjeramo mak na konac, jasno je uociti trend:

Image

The authors elaborated on these figures:

Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality).

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm
User avatar
MyTao
Posts: 7048
Joined: 08/12/2012 15:15

#5098 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by MyTao »

Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Problem kod ateista je što smatraju, uz izuzetke, da je vjernik samo onaj koji je i pripadnik neke religije.
Vjernik je svako ko slijepo VJERUJE u nesto bez dokaza.
Mohamad Sissoko
Posts: 2421
Joined: 27/10/2009 22:48

#5099 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by Mohamad Sissoko »

MyTao wrote:
Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Problem kod ateista je što smatraju, uz izuzetke, da je vjernik samo onaj koji je i pripadnik neke religije.
Vjernik je svako ko slijepo VJERUJE u nesto bez dokaza.
Pa i ateisti nemaju dokaz da Bog, higher power, higher intelligence ne postoji :zzzz:
User avatar
MyTao
Posts: 7048
Joined: 08/12/2012 15:15

#5100 Re: Na cemu ateisti baziraju svoj svjetonazor?

Post by MyTao »

Mohamad Sissoko wrote:
MyTao wrote:
Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Problem kod ateista je što smatraju, uz izuzetke, da je vjernik samo onaj koji je i pripadnik neke religije.
Vjernik je svako ko slijepo VJERUJE u nesto bez dokaza.
Pa i ateisti nemaju dokaz da Bog, higher power, higher intelligence ne postoji :zzzz:
Pa sta? Jeli tebi ima smisla dokazivati da nesto NE postoji? :?
Locked