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aktivacija wrote:Kad uci ezan treba uzeti abdest i kLanjati, jer ezan pOziva na namaz i nije nikakav kuLturni iLi fOLkOrni detaLj. DakLe, akO se smatras musLimaOm trebas pOzuriti na namaz. Namaz u dzematu je mnOgO vrjedniji Od OnOg kad si sam, aLI bOLje ista negO nista.
(pOkvarena mi tast i neka sLOva mi uvIjek na caps LOck).
MuziKa...stO se tOga tice ima sasvim dOvOLjnO hadisa kOJi gOvOre O pOkudjenOsti iste, pa kO zeLi da sLusa, ne mOze ga nikO sprijeciti, aLi sam ce biti OdgOvOran za svOje pOstupke. Muzika nije samO text i instrumenti. SigurnO je da ima serijatski prihvatLjivih textOva, aLi danasnji pOjam muzike je vezan iskLucivO za nemOraL. U IsLamu se zna sta je Ljubav, sta je i kakva mOze biti "veza", sta je nemOraL itd... 99% textOva su kOntra isLamskih principa. Znaci ucis jednO, trudis se da tOme priLagOdis svOj zivOt, a Onda pjevas "uzmi me ispOd stOLa", "pOpiO sam pOLa kafane", "ucini nestO stO nikada nisi, pOgazi rijec "svemOcna" ti si" - dakLe u dvije recenice imas pOziv da pOgazis rijec i ucinis širk...... iLi sLObOdnO dajte sebi mOmenat da razmisLite O pjesmama kOje pjevate svaki dan...kakvi su im textOvi i O cemu gOvOre. UpOredite tO sa isLamskim principima i samO ce vam se kazati. U najmanju ruku cOvjek se Osjeti LicemjernO, jer tezi jednOm a vOLi drugO. OvO vazi za One kOji se Osjecaju musLimanima. Ne gOvOrim nemusLimanima. Oni su vec izabraLi svOj put. Uz muzicku bransu su vezani i gOLOtinja, kafane, i uOpste ambijent kOji ne dOLikuje vjernicima. Ne mOras ti hOdati gO i cugati, aLi kakav ti je iman kad vOLis biti u takvOm drustvu i na takvOm mjestu????? Zar nije POsLanik a.s. rekaO da ce cOvjek na sudnje danu biti prOzivLJen sa Onim kOga vOLi...
SvakO ce izabrati za sebe.
Ja samO dadOh svOje misLjenje na temu.

insomnia78 wrote:Kako dervisi?

Cherry-Cherry wrote:Zar čovjek ne treba da teži tome da je sretan i zadovoljan, da mu je lijepo? Zar ima nešto loše u tome? Zar nas nije Bog stvorio, da budemo sretni?

insomnia78 wrote:Idrize, vraze mali

Ispade sad da treba po cijeli dan sjediti u ćošku i čitait vjersku literaturu. Sve ostalo je grijeh.

escobar__ wrote:

salik79 wrote:

MyTao wrote:Zabranjeno ti je slusati muziku ne samo kad je ezan vec uvijek.

Evo ga, ateista koji propagira vehabizam

Kakav je stav vas šiita po ovom pitanju, je l' k'o i s hidžabom ono pseudo-šerijat i ti fazoni, a žene haman pa otkrivene?

salik79 wrote:Nista dok me prvo ne propitas o Ebu-Bekru, Omeru i Osmanu. To bi trebala biti neka polazna tacka vas vehabita.

prenosnik wrote:

@ngel wrote:
Hadis Ebu-Musaa el-Esarija koga bilježi imam Buhari u kome Poslanik, s.a.v.s., kaze: "Zaista će se pojaviti ljudi iz moga ummeta koji će dozvoljavati nemoral, svilu, alkohol i muzičke instrumente..."

U ovom hadisu vidimo da su muzicki instrumenti stavljeni "u isti kos" sa nemoralom, alkoholom i drugim stvarima koji su zabranjeni u islamu, sasvim dovoljno da bi covjek sa zdravim razumom shvatio da je zabranjena bas kao i nemoral i alkohol

u pravu si. sa stanovista pisanih izvora islama sasvim si u pravu i ovi ti dzaba oponiraju. muzika je po islamu zabranjena. takodjer je dozvoljeno kamenovati ljude zbog preljuba, razapinjati na krst i odsijecati ruke i noge unakrst, homoseksualce bacati u provalije (to danas cine sa zgrada), ubijati zarobljenike (najzastupljeniji pravac u islamu, ukljucujuci ebu hanifu, smatra to obavezom), zarobljene "nevjernicke" zene (a nevjernike je koga ti sama proglasis za takvog) uzeti kao seksualno roblje, imati seks sa djevojcicama, spaljivati zarobljenike (hazreti alija je to radio, kao i najveci muslimanski vojskovodja halid ibn velid), vaditi ubicama oci usijanim ekserom i sjeci im udove (poslanik muhamed je to radio) itd. sve si u pravu, kao i oni ISIL-ovci i nusre koje slijedis u poimanju islama. za sve sto rade imaju ajet i sahih hadis, kao i ti za muziku. ima li ista od ovih stvari koje sam nabrojao, a koje su po kur'anu i sunnetu da su ti sporne i mozes li objasniti zasto, ako vec imaju kur'ansku i hadisku podlogu?

prenosnik wrote:

@ngel wrote: Mnoge stvari koje si nabrojao su sporne i ne samo sporne nego i cista neistna, prvo navedi dokaz iz Kur'ana ili hadisa makar i sa slabijim lancem prenosioca pa onda mozemo raspravljati o stvarima koje si naveo, ovako si samo jos jedan u nizu koji je pokupio par stvari sa tv-a i interneta i misli da je pokupio svo znanje o Islamu i serijatu, uzmi knjige uci sam da ti niko ne moze mozak ispirati

da sve je iz kur'ana i hadisa, iz tih knjige koje mi govoris da uzmem u ruke. zalosno je da ih ne znas i da ne znas svoju vjeru.

dala si samo uopsteni odgovor koji je ustvari izbjegavanje odgovora. ako ti navedem dokaze iz hadisa i kur'ana za sve sto sam naveo, sta ce se desiti?

ali, posto kazes "mnoge stvari su sporne", hajde kazi sta ti nije sporno od ovih barbarizama koje sam naveo, da podjemo odatle. moze?

prenosnik wrote:e, ako garantujes, da onda ne navodim uzalud...

prenosnik wrote:

@ngel wrote:

prenosnik wrote:e, ako garantujes, da onda ne navodim uzalud...

Kazem ti navedi ako ima to sto tvrdis da ima, a posto nema i posto lazes i izmisljas naravno da ne mozes navesti

ako si slagala da lazem, onda nisi muslimanka, jer muslimani ne lazu. jesi li bas sigurna da sam u krivu i da lazem? da bi bila sigurna, morala bi iza sebe imati proucen kur'an i sve hadise. koja je islamska kazna za bracni preljub?

p.s.

kamenovanje za bracni blud u islamu:
Imam Buharija u svome Sahihu bilježi predaju od Abdullaha b. Abbasa, r.a., da je rekao: ''Omer, r.a., sjedio je na minberu Poslanika, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem, pa je rekao: 'Uzvišeni Allah poslao je Muhammeda, s.a.v.s., sa istinom i objavio je Knjigu u kojoj je bio objavio i ajet o kamenovanju (ajetur-redžmi) koji smo učili i razumjeli njegovo značenje. Poslanik, s.a.v.s., je kamenovao bludnika (oženjenog), a kamenovali smo i mi poslije njega. Ja se bojim da će neko nakon izvjesnog vremena reći: Mi u Allahovoj Knjizi ne nalazimo propis o kamenovanju bludnika, pa će na takav način otići u zabludu ostavljajući jednu od Allahovih strogih naredbi (farzova). Zaista je propis o kamenovanju (bio) u Allahovoj Knjizi, i to je obaveza da se izvrši nad svakim oženjenim muškarcem ili udatom ženom (koji počine blud) ukoliko se to dokaže potpuno jasnim dokazom, trudnoćom ili priznanjem.''' (Buharija, br. 6830, Muslim, br. 1690)

Isti hadis na engleskom sa wikipedije, tekst navodi sve reference na zbirke sahih hadisa i linkuje:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 8:82:816 see also Sahih Muslim, 17:4194
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:63:196 see also Sahih al-Bukhari, 2:23:413 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:34:421 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:49:860 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:50:885 Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:829 Sahih al-Bukhari, 6:60:79 Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:63:195
U muslimovom sahihu je 17 hadisa o kamenovanju. (Sahih Muslim Book 17 has several hadith regarding Stoning specifically (17:4191-4209, and 17:4914). For example:

Takoðer, u najvjerodostojnijim hadiskom zbirkama bilježi se da je Poslanik, s.a.v.s., naredio kamenovanje oženjenog bludnika ili bludnice)
Abu Huraira reported that a person from amongst the Muslims came to Allah's Messenger while he was in the mosque. He called him saying: Allah's Messenger. I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away from him, He (again) came round facing him and said to him: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away until he did that four times, and as he testified four times against his own self, Allah's Messenger called him and said: Are you mad? He said: No. He (again) said: Are you married? He said: Yes. Thereupon Allah's Messenger said: Take him and stone him. Ibn Shihab (one of the narrators) said: One who had heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah saying this informed me thus: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the place of prayer (either that of 'Id or a funeral). When the stones hurt him, he ran away. We caught him in the Harra and stoned him (to death). This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters.
— Sahih Muslim, 17:4196 see also Sahih Muslim, 17:4191, 17:4198, 17:4199

Other hadiths also mention stoning as the punishment for adultery.

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: A man committed fornication with a woman. So the Apostle of Allah ordered regarding him and the prescribed punishment of flogging was inflicted on him. He was then informed that he was married. So he commanded regarding him and he was stoned to death.
— Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4424 see also Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4421, 38:4426, 38:4429, 38:4433
The early Islamic era text Musannaf of Abd al-Razzaq, in the chapter on Rajm, lists 70 hadith reports of stoning linked to Muhammad, and 100 to his companions and other authorities.[18]

Jednom prilikom poslao je jednoga od ashaba da kamenuje udatu ženu koja je počinila zinaluk (Buharija, br. 6827, Muslim, br. 1697), kao što je naredio da se kamenuje ashab Maiz b. Malik zbog istog grijeha. (Muslim br. 1692)

Po ovom pitanju prenosi se i konsenzus islamskih učenjaka ehli-sunnetskog usmjerenja. (Vidjeti: Meratibul-idžma' od Ibn Hazma, r.h., str. 214), a propis kamenovanja oženjenog bludnika zanijekali su samo neki sektaši i novotari poput jednog dijela haridžija i mu'tezila.

u tekstu iz wikipedije imas poglede pravnih skola i istoriju primjene.

eto, to je samo za kamenovanje kao kaznu za bracni preljub. trebamo li ici dalje u pogledu ostalih mojih navoda ili i dalje tvrdis da sam lazov?

@ngel wrote:

prenosnik wrote:

@ngel wrote:
Kazem ti navedi ako ima to sto tvrdis da ima, a posto nema i posto lazes i izmisljas naravno da ne mozes navesti

ako si slagala da lazem, onda nisi muslimanka, jer muslimani ne lazu. jesi li bas sigurna da sam u krivu i da lazem? da bi bila sigurna, morala bi iza sebe imati proucen kur'an i sve hadise. koja je islamska kazna za bracni preljub?

p.s.

kamenovanje za bracni blud u islamu:
Imam Buharija u svome Sahihu bilježi predaju od Abdullaha b. Abbasa, r.a., da je rekao: ''Omer, r.a., sjedio je na minberu Poslanika, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem, pa je rekao: 'Uzvišeni Allah poslao je Muhammeda, s.a.v.s., sa istinom i objavio je Knjigu u kojoj je bio objavio i ajet o kamenovanju (ajetur-redžmi) koji smo učili i razumjeli njegovo značenje. Poslanik, s.a.v.s., je kamenovao bludnika (oženjenog), a kamenovali smo i mi poslije njega. Ja se bojim da će neko nakon izvjesnog vremena reći: Mi u Allahovoj Knjizi ne nalazimo propis o kamenovanju bludnika, pa će na takav način otići u zabludu ostavljajući jednu od Allahovih strogih naredbi (farzova). Zaista je propis o kamenovanju (bio) u Allahovoj Knjizi, i to je obaveza da se izvrši nad svakim oženjenim muškarcem ili udatom ženom (koji počine blud) ukoliko se to dokaže potpuno jasnim dokazom, trudnoćom ili priznanjem.''' (Buharija, br. 6830, Muslim, br. 1690)

Isti hadis na engleskom sa wikipedije, tekst navodi sve reference na zbirke sahih hadisa i linkuje:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 8:82:816 see also Sahih Muslim, 17:4194
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:63:196 see also Sahih al-Bukhari, 2:23:413 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:34:421 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:49:860 Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:50:885 Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:829 Sahih al-Bukhari, 6:60:79 Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:63:195
U muslimovom sahihu je 17 hadisa o kamenovanju. (Sahih Muslim Book 17 has several hadith regarding Stoning specifically (17:4191-4209, and 17:4914). For example:

Takoðer, u najvjerodostojnijim hadiskom zbirkama bilježi se da je Poslanik, s.a.v.s., naredio kamenovanje oženjenog bludnika ili bludnice)
Abu Huraira reported that a person from amongst the Muslims came to Allah's Messenger while he was in the mosque. He called him saying: Allah's Messenger. I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away from him, He (again) came round facing him and said to him: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away until he did that four times, and as he testified four times against his own self, Allah's Messenger called him and said: Are you mad? He said: No. He (again) said: Are you married? He said: Yes. Thereupon Allah's Messenger said: Take him and stone him. Ibn Shihab (one of the narrators) said: One who had heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah saying this informed me thus: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the place of prayer (either that of 'Id or a funeral). When the stones hurt him, he ran away. We caught him in the Harra and stoned him (to death). This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters.
— Sahih Muslim, 17:4196 see also Sahih Muslim, 17:4191, 17:4198, 17:4199

Other hadiths also mention stoning as the punishment for adultery.

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: A man committed fornication with a woman. So the Apostle of Allah ordered regarding him and the prescribed punishment of flogging was inflicted on him. He was then informed that he was married. So he commanded regarding him and he was stoned to death.
— Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4424 see also Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4421, 38:4426, 38:4429, 38:4433
The early Islamic era text Musannaf of Abd al-Razzaq, in the chapter on Rajm, lists 70 hadith reports of stoning linked to Muhammad, and 100 to his companions and other authorities.[18]

Jednom prilikom poslao je jednoga od ashaba da kamenuje udatu ženu koja je počinila zinaluk (Buharija, br. 6827, Muslim, br. 1697), kao što je naredio da se kamenuje ashab Maiz b. Malik zbog istog grijeha. (Muslim br. 1692)

Po ovom pitanju prenosi se i konsenzus islamskih učenjaka ehli-sunnetskog usmjerenja. (Vidjeti: Meratibul-idžma' od Ibn Hazma, r.h., str. 214), a propis kamenovanja oženjenog bludnika zanijekali su samo neki sektaši i novotari poput jednog dijela haridžija i mu'tezila.

u tekstu iz wikipedije imas poglede pravnih skola i istoriju primjene.

eto, to je samo za kamenovanje kao kaznu za bracni preljub. trebamo li ici dalje u pogledu ostalih mojih navoda ili i dalje tvrdis da sam lazov?

To je samo za kamenovanje...gdje su ostale gluposti koje si naveo, ne mozes sve nebuloze opravdati jednim argumentom i podvesti pod argumentaciju kamenovanja, i dalje tvrdim da si teski lazov