Lopov-eliminator wrote:hrastov žižak wrote:I jel bi ovo tvoje citiranje Nietzchea trebalo biti argument kao neki? Nietzche je ovdje samo iznio tvrdnju i to je to, isto kao što je svako od nas može iznijeti. I šta, svi bismo se trebali složiti sa tvrdnjom samo zato što je rekao Nietzche? Ako si ti navikao da klimaš glavom zato što je to neko rekao ne mora značiti da i svi drugi moraju biti takvi. Nemoj zaboraviti da ima i citata od isto tako poznatih ljudi koji o religiji ne govore baš najbolje.
a ti misliš da Niče ovdje lijepo govori o religiji?
"Moral i vrijednosti zapadnog čovjeka izvode se iz religioznih vjerovanja. Zato se moraju prevrednovati sve vrijednosti." - ovo je Ničeov citat u pitanju. Ovdje jeste govorio lijepo u kontekstu da je religija ekskluzivno zaslužna za ''moral i vrijednosti zapadnog čovjeka'', pa Edo hoće da progura tezu da je ateizam rasadnik nemorala i glavni krivac za svako zlo na svijetu.
Vidi, poenta nije u tome nego da se s drugim poznatim ljudima koji ne govore baš najbolje o religiji Edouard uopšte ne slaže a ovamo se slaže s Ničeom i gura Ničeov citat koji bi trebao biti bitan za nešto samo zato što je Ničeov. Dvostruki aršini ba.
What Nietzsche is concerned about in relating the above is that God is dead in the hearts and minds of his own generation of modern men - killed by an indifference that was itself directly related to a pronounced cultural shift away from faith and towards rationalism and science.
This same God, before becoming dead in men's hearts and minds, had provided the foundation of a "Christian-moral" defining and uniting approach to life as a shared cultural set of beliefs that had defined a social and cutural outlook within which people had lived their lives.
Nietzsche had been raised in an intensely devout and pietistic family atmosphere that he saw as having been unduly restrictive and actually viewed what he had been brought up to recognise as
Christian Morality as something which tended to be
harmfully repressive.
As an atheist who saw aspects of the influence of the traditions of christianity within which he grew up as having been regrettable Friedrich Nietzsche tended to welcome what he saw as The Death of God!
For Nietzsche a recognition that God is Dead to his own generation of men and women ought to come as a Joyous Wisdom
allowing individuals to lead less guilt-ridden lives in a world that was no longer to be seen as being inherently sinful. He considered that
earthly lives could become more joyful, meaningful and "healthy" when not lived within
narrow limits set by
faith-related concerns for the state of an individual's eternal soul.
Nietzsche seems to be suggesting that the acceptance that God is dead will also involve the ending of long-established standards of morality and of purpose.
Without the former and accepted widely standards society has to face up to the possible emergence of a nihilistic situation where peoples lives are not particularly constrained by faith-based considerations of morality or particularly guided by any faith-related sense of purpose. http://j.mp/15KpuJ0 
