Coronavirus Cases:
50,264,180
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https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/"Cluster 5" je najnovija varijanta virusa koja po prvi put u sebi nosi kombinaciju različitih mutacija: H69del/V70del, Y453F, I692V, M1229I.glockov kolac wrote: ↑08/11/2020 19:14Izgleda da je korona mutirala kod kuna u Danskoj i prešla na ljude. Ima li neko stručan da malo ovo protabiri? Koliko zabrinuti trebamo biti i kako će se ovo odraziti na vakcinu?Code: Select all
https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/
E hvala! Znači, ovo će biti ko i gripa... a mogu li vakcine malo modifikovati?512MB wrote: ↑08/11/2020 21:57"Cluster 5" je najnovija varijanta virusa koja po prvi put u sebi nosi kombinaciju različitih mutacija: H69del/V70del, Y453F, I692V, M1229I.glockov kolac wrote: ↑08/11/2020 19:14Izgleda da je korona mutirala kod kuna u Danskoj i prešla na ljude. Ima li neko stručan da malo ovo protabiri? Koliko zabrinuti trebamo biti i kako će se ovo odraziti na vakcinu?Code: Select all
https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/
Problem leži u tome da "Cluster 5" uspjeva sa lakoćom zaobići odbrambeni sistem antitijela koja su nastala sa trenutno u Evropi dominirajućom varijantom G614. Većina vakcina bazira upravo na G614.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zg ... s-strategi
Tegnell was warned early on of high death rates: "Headless strategy"
New book reveals the game behind the scenes
Anders Tegnell had three alternatives: total shutdown, infection tracking or infection control to achieve herd immunity.
He chose the latter - despite strong warnings.
The new book "The Flock" reveals the game behind the so-called Swedish strategy.
By going through a lot of emails, the author Johan Anderberg has put together the birth of state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell's covid-19 strategy. Svenska Dagbladet has obtained an edited, as yet unpublished excerpt from the book that describes in detail the game behind what would be Sweden's probably most debated route choice in 2020.
On March 6, Anders Tegnell received a warning email from the mathematician Tom Britton who calculated the R-value of the virus. There he expressed his opinion that the Public Health Agency was too passive: “With as many infected people as there are now in Sweden, the spread of infection will take place. Our society is not very different from Italy, or for that matter China, so why should it not spread among us? ”
Shortly afterwards the same day, Jan Albert heard from him and said that he, Johan von Schreeb and Denis Coulombier, all prominent doctors, just had to meet Anders Tegnell. That was important. If Tegnell got a small gap, they could be there within 30 minutes, according to SvD.
Finally, the three men were allowed to come to the authority. And they had to deliver their warnings.
So in just a few hours, Tegnell was warned by four prominent people in the field.
But it did not end there.
On March 15, Peet Tüll, former head of the National Board of Health and Welfare's infection control unit, sat down and wrote an email to Anders Tegnell. When Tüll retired, it was Anders Tegnell who got his job, albeit with somewhat different tasks.
The email he formulated touched on the strategies he saw as possible to stop what would become a pandemic.
"Hello Anders. There are three strategies to stop the epidemic ", wrote Peet Tüll.
The first option was a total shutdown of society for four weeks.
The second option was to find as many infected as possible, track all close contacts and put them in a two-week quarantine.
The third option was:
"Allow the spread of infection, slowly or rapidly, to achieve a hypothetical 'herd immunity'."
Peet Tüll himself considered alternative two to be the best. The infection had still not become too widespread and no one then knew that SARS-CoV-2 had a completely different infection potential than previously similar plagues, such as the SARS virus from 2003.
Choosing option 3, on the other hand, would lead to thousands of deaths.
"It seems to me like a given and headless strategy, which I would never have accepted in my previous role."
A few hours later, in the early afternoon, Anders Tegnell replied:
"Yes, we have walked through this and after all landed in 3."
Today, almost eight months later, just over 6,000 Swedes have died in covid-19.
What was right or wrong - and what had worked or not - is hard to say. But it is certain that the debate will continue for a long time to come.
Napises knjugu, prodajes maglu i dignes lovu u ovom sranju. :run: Realno, sve drzave ce na kraju manje vise brojati isti broj mrtvih u odnosu na stanovnistvo, sa mjerama ili bez , razlika ce biti u kvaliteti zdravstvene njege. Vakcina vec polako postaje mit, mjere ocigledno samo odgadjaju neizbjezno a to je da cemo se manje vise svi na kraju zaraziti. Rece Merkel lijepo na pocetku svega ovoga da ce se zaraziti 80% populacije i ja joj vjerujem, nije to njena pamet. Mjere i ostalo sluzi da se razvlaci krivulja i koliko toliko svima omoguci zdravstvena njega i time umanji smrtnost naravno. Po meni jedino pitanje ostaje koliko ce to sve trajati. Manje vise smo na******.daddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 08:15 Daily dose of Sweden.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zg ... s-strategi
Tegnell was warned early on of high death rates: "Headless strategy"
New book reveals the game behind the scenes
Anders Tegnell had three alternatives: total shutdown, infection tracking or infection control to achieve herd immunity.
He chose the latter - despite strong warnings.
The new book "The Flock" reveals the game behind the so-called Swedish strategy.
By going through a lot of emails, the author Johan Anderberg has put together the birth of state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell's covid-19 strategy. Svenska Dagbladet has obtained an edited, as yet unpublished excerpt from the book that describes in detail the game behind what would be Sweden's probably most debated route choice in 2020.
On March 6, Anders Tegnell received a warning email from the mathematician Tom Britton who calculated the R-value of the virus. There he expressed his opinion that the Public Health Agency was too passive: “With as many infected people as there are now in Sweden, the spread of infection will take place. Our society is not very different from Italy, or for that matter China, so why should it not spread among us? ”
Shortly afterwards the same day, Jan Albert heard from him and said that he, Johan von Schreeb and Denis Coulombier, all prominent doctors, just had to meet Anders Tegnell. That was important. If Tegnell got a small gap, they could be there within 30 minutes, according to SvD.
Finally, the three men were allowed to come to the authority. And they had to deliver their warnings.
So in just a few hours, Tegnell was warned by four prominent people in the field.
But it did not end there.
On March 15, Peet Tüll, former head of the National Board of Health and Welfare's infection control unit, sat down and wrote an email to Anders Tegnell. When Tüll retired, it was Anders Tegnell who got his job, albeit with somewhat different tasks.
The email he formulated touched on the strategies he saw as possible to stop what would become a pandemic.
"Hello Anders. There are three strategies to stop the epidemic ", wrote Peet Tüll.
The first option was a total shutdown of society for four weeks.
The second option was to find as many infected as possible, track all close contacts and put them in a two-week quarantine.
The third option was:
"Allow the spread of infection, slowly or rapidly, to achieve a hypothetical 'herd immunity'."
Peet Tüll himself considered alternative two to be the best. The infection had still not become too widespread and no one then knew that SARS-CoV-2 had a completely different infection potential than previously similar plagues, such as the SARS virus from 2003.
Choosing option 3, on the other hand, would lead to thousands of deaths.
"It seems to me like a given and headless strategy, which I would never have accepted in my previous role."
A few hours later, in the early afternoon, Anders Tegnell replied:
"Yes, we have walked through this and after all landed in 3."
Today, almost eight months later, just over 6,000 Swedes have died in covid-19.
What was right or wrong - and what had worked or not - is hard to say. But it is certain that the debate will continue for a long time to come.
I knjigu su uspjeli napisati. Svaka čast. Čekamo Netflixov napeti psihološki triler/seriju-tragediju u tridesetpet epizoda: SWEDEN-19 sa zvijezdama, žrtvama korone u glavnim ulogama.daddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 08:15 Daily dose of Sweden.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zg ... s-strategi
Tegnell was warned early on of high death rates: "Headless strategy"
New book reveals the game behind the scenes
Anders Tegnell had three alternatives: total shutdown, infection tracking or infection control to achieve herd immunity.
He chose the latter - despite strong warnings.
The new book "The Flock" reveals the game behind the so-called Swedish strategy.
By going through a lot of emails, the author Johan Anderberg has put together the birth of state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell's covid-19 strategy. Svenska Dagbladet has obtained an edited, as yet unpublished excerpt from the book that describes in detail the game behind what would be Sweden's probably most debated route choice in 2020.
On March 6, Anders Tegnell received a warning email from the mathematician Tom Britton who calculated the R-value of the virus. There he expressed his opinion that the Public Health Agency was too passive: “With as many infected people as there are now in Sweden, the spread of infection will take place. Our society is not very different from Italy, or for that matter China, so why should it not spread among us? ”
Shortly afterwards the same day, Jan Albert heard from him and said that he, Johan von Schreeb and Denis Coulombier, all prominent doctors, just had to meet Anders Tegnell. That was important. If Tegnell got a small gap, they could be there within 30 minutes, according to SvD.
Finally, the three men were allowed to come to the authority. And they had to deliver their warnings.
So in just a few hours, Tegnell was warned by four prominent people in the field.
But it did not end there.
On March 15, Peet Tüll, former head of the National Board of Health and Welfare's infection control unit, sat down and wrote an email to Anders Tegnell. When Tüll retired, it was Anders Tegnell who got his job, albeit with somewhat different tasks.
The email he formulated touched on the strategies he saw as possible to stop what would become a pandemic.
"Hello Anders. There are three strategies to stop the epidemic ", wrote Peet Tüll.
The first option was a total shutdown of society for four weeks.
The second option was to find as many infected as possible, track all close contacts and put them in a two-week quarantine.
The third option was:
"Allow the spread of infection, slowly or rapidly, to achieve a hypothetical 'herd immunity'."
Peet Tüll himself considered alternative two to be the best. The infection had still not become too widespread and no one then knew that SARS-CoV-2 had a completely different infection potential than previously similar plagues, such as the SARS virus from 2003.
Choosing option 3, on the other hand, would lead to thousands of deaths.
"It seems to me like a given and headless strategy, which I would never have accepted in my previous role."
A few hours later, in the early afternoon, Anders Tegnell replied:
"Yes, we have walked through this and after all landed in 3."
Today, almost eight months later, just over 6,000 Swedes have died in covid-19.
What was right or wrong - and what had worked or not - is hard to say. But it is certain that the debate will continue for a long time to come.
Ispravan potez Mađara.https://avaz.ba/globus/svijet/607649/or ... cijski-sat
Orban: Mađarska zatvara škole, univerzitete, restorane, uvodi policijski sat
Orban je danas rekao da će se sportski događaji održavati bez publike, a sva okupljanja će biti zabranjena
daddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 11:50Ispravan potez Mađara.https://avaz.ba/globus/svijet/607649/or ... cijski-sat
Orban: Mađarska zatvara škole, univerzitete, restorane, uvodi policijski sat
Orban je danas rekao da će se sportski događaji održavati bez publike, a sva okupljanja će biti zabranjena
Sad pođoh napisati, jesu li ono u Mađarskoj bili dozvoljeni navijači na tribinama
Priznaj da sanjas isti scenarij u BIH. Podrum spreman, konzerve spremne, brasno spremno, sve spremno ? Niko nije objavio koliko ce Madjarska dati para firmama koje ce biti zatvorenedaddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 11:50Ispravan potez Mađara.https://avaz.ba/globus/svijet/607649/or ... cijski-sat
Orban: Mađarska zatvara škole, univerzitete, restorane, uvodi policijski sat
Orban je danas rekao da će se sportski događaji održavati bez publike, a sva okupljanja će biti zabranjena
I ja sam se zajebavao tako dok prije par dana nije preminuo dobar drug, 70' godište, k'o planina, nikakvih bolesti, za 10 dana ga Corona savladala. Vjerujem da je bio negdje na zapadu u bolnici da bi se izvukao. Nemam racionalno objašnjenje kako se takvo šta desi osobi zdravoj, sportski tip bez prethodnih bolesti. Nešto jebeno ne valja. PozdravAmirBaa wrote: ↑09/11/2020 12:05Priznaj da sanjas isti scenarij u BIH. Podrum spreman, konzerve spremne, brasno spremno, sve spremno ? Niko nije objavio koliko ce Madjarska dati para firmama koje ce biti zatvorenedaddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 11:50Ispravan potez Mađara.https://avaz.ba/globus/svijet/607649/or ... cijski-sat
Orban: Mađarska zatvara škole, univerzitete, restorane, uvodi policijski sat
Orban je danas rekao da će se sportski događaji održavati bez publike, a sva okupljanja će biti zabranjena
Naravno da podržavam (osim ovo sa restoranima i policijskim satom).AmirBaa wrote: ↑09/11/2020 12:05Priznaj da sanjas isti scenarij u BIH. Podrum spreman, konzerve spremne, brasno spremno, sve spremno ? Niko nije objavio koliko ce Madjarska dati para firmama koje ce biti zatvorenedaddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 11:50Ispravan potez Mađara.https://avaz.ba/globus/svijet/607649/or ... cijski-sat
Orban: Mađarska zatvara škole, univerzitete, restorane, uvodi policijski sat
Orban je danas rekao da će se sportski događaji održavati bez publike, a sva okupljanja će biti zabranjena
Bravo. Slazem se, ne treba odmah ici na drasticne mjere, ali treba aktivnosti svesti na minimum, ograniciti okupljanje i svi nositi maske.daddy-kool wrote: ↑09/11/2020 12:18Naravno da podržavam (osim ovo sa restoranima i policijskim satom).
Skoro sam postavljao studiju koje su mjere najučinkovitije, minimum mjera treba biti: obavezna maska svugdje, zatvoriti škole i ograničiti okupljanja na 10 ljudi. To nije lockdown, ali bi pojednostavilo dosadašnje mjere i drastično smanjilo brojeve novozaraženih.
Uredu, jeste kada posmatraš samo to. Ali i u ovoj situaciji idu školu, idu na posao. Kod nas se ne ide u školu od marta. Gdje ćeš goreg lockdown-a. Šta još treba da uradimo, da se zatvorimo i ne izlazimo nikako?toska wrote: ↑09/11/2020 13:30 - Individual outdoor exercise, walks with members of your household only or with pets, within 1 km of your residence and for no longer than one hour;
ovo ne smatraš drastičnom mjerom ?
meni se čini da uvođenje policijskog sata nanosi čak i najmanje štete privredi ukupno, ali ne prije 23h.
BadBoy wrote: ↑09/11/2020 13:41 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/vije ... /201109060
Još malo, kraj se nazire!
Nadam seDaj Bože, hoće li ove nove mutacije imati velikog uticaja na vakcinu pitanje je ali ako ova vakcina 20% smanji zarazu, ekstra.BadBoy wrote: ↑09/11/2020 13:41 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/vije ... /201109060
Još malo, kraj se nazire!