mirsek wrote: ↑06/10/2022 16:06
jeza u ledja wrote: ↑06/10/2022 15:59
Ja ne znam sta vecina podrzava, ne znamo jer o tome ne postoji glasanje, izbori, referendumi i slicno. Ja nisam rekao da "ogromna vecina Irana podrzava" proteste, niti je to ovdje iko koliko se sjecam napisao. Propise ne pravi vecina, vec uzak krug ljudi koji decenijama drzi Iran pod diktaturom.
Sve i da vecina podrzava obavezno pokrivanje, opet ne bi bilo ispravno, isto kao sto nije bilo ispravno kad je vecina Njemaca i Naci Njemackoj podrzavala torturu nad jevrejima, ili kad je vecina jednog naroda na Balkanu podrzavala etnicko ciscenje drugih, ili kad vecina podrzava ugnjetavanje zena, homoseksualaca, djece, starih, pripadnika kojekakvih sekti, ili milion drugih stvari.
Znaci pod jedan - ne znamo sta u Iranu vecina misli o ovome, ili generalno o bilo cemu, jer tamo gradjani nemaju mogucnost da svoje misljenje iskazu kroz izbore ili referendume. Pod dva - sve i da nesto zeli vecina, to treba prestati tamo gdje pocinje ugrozavati prava pojedinaca na najosnovije stvari.
Izjednacavas obavezu pokrivanja sa etnickim ciscenjem i nazi torturu nad jevrejima ?
OK, izjednaci onda sa tim i francusku zabranu zenama da budu u burkiniji na plazi.
Uze im francuski rezim slobodu i prava izbora tim gnusnim cinom, nazadna bagra francuska, zeljna golih zenskih guzica i sisa po plazama, ne postujuci dostojanstvo zene i njen izbor da se ne zeli otkrivati pred drugim ljudima.
Ajmo na proteste protiv Francuskog rezima..

Btw, u Iranu se redovno rade ankete i istrazivanja oko raznih pitanja , izmedju ostalog i podrska ovakvom uredjenju drzave, i dalje je vecina za ovakav sistem.
Naravno, obaveza pokrivanja zena u Iranu je samo mali dio opste represije koju gradjani Irana prozivljavaju. Da je samo pokrivanje problem, ne bi se protestovalo protiv samog rezima, kao sto se ovih dana radi.
Tako da je usporedba sa Francuskom smijesna, jer nije dio cijelog sistema represije. Takodje, za razliku od Irana, drzava ne kontrolise svaki grad i svaki javni prostor, pa tako neki gradovi i neke institucije dozvoljavaju burkinije na bazenima ili pokrivanje u skolama.
No naravno da je zakon u Francuskoj idiotski, represivan i krsi ljudsko pravo. (Ako se ne varam u Turskoj je godinama isto bilo zabranjeno pokrivati glavu u javnim institucijama.)
Anketama mozes guzicu obrisati, no evo posto si spomenuo, prostim guglanjem sam odmah naisao na ovo:
Amini’s death may have sparked this recent uprising, but data shows Iranian opposition toward required veiling isn’t new. The Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran, a Netherlands-based research foundation, conducted a comprehensive study in 2020 on Iranians’ opinions about religion and found that a whopping 72 percent of literate Iranians over age 191 disagreed with the government mandating that women wear the hijab in public, compared with only 15 percent who agreed with it. Over the years, those who have subverted the law have faced violent beatings and, in the case of Amini, fatal consequences at the hands of the government.
Also in that study, two-thirds said they did not want a government run according to religious law, which challenges the inherent premise of the country’s current governing structure.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ir ... overnment/
Evo jos jedan, uradjen od strane Iranaca:
“…nvestigations indicate that sharia law’s [interpretation of] the hijab is valued by 35 percent of people in society and about 55 percent of women value its secular manifestations,” said the report, referencing the year 2017.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2018/a ... port-hejab
Evo jos jedan:
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has waded into a highly charged debate over the country’s mandatory hijab law, abruptly releasing a three-year-old report suggesting that nearly half of Iranians were opposed to the government dictating what women should wear.
The release of the report on Sunday by the Iranian Center for Strategic Studies – a research arm of the President’s office – came just days after 29 people were arrested by police in the capital Tehran for their involvement in protests against the headscarf law.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/middleea ... eport-intl
Sta cemo sad?