#31776 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Posted: 04/02/2024 22:24
Indija 5. ekonomija svijeta po PPP ?
Desna kolona se racuna ljudino.dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:29 Po GDP-u.
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/exp ... ld/86159/1
Bez obzira, siromaštvo više ne može biti izgovor za selektivni abortus, ako je ikada i moglo biti. Na listi po PPP-u ispod Indije imaOzimician wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:35Desna kolona se racuna ljudino.dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:29 Po GDP-u.
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Kolika je ta praksa trenutno u Indiji ?dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:41Bez obzira, siromaštvo više ne može biti izgovor za selektivni abortus, ako je ikada i moglo biti. Na listi po PPP-u ispod Indije imaOzimician wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:35Desna kolona se racuna ljudino.dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:29 Po GDP-u.
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i siromašnijih zemalja koje nemaju tu praksu.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... rn-by-2030Ozimician wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:47Kolika je ta praksa trenutno u Indiji ?dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:41Bez obzira, siromaštvo više ne može biti izgovor za selektivni abortus, ako je ikada i moglo biti. Na listi po PPP-u ispod Indije ima
i siromašnijih zemalja koje nemaju tu praksu.
Imas li neke podatke, da li se smanjuje ili povecava vremenom ?
Članak je iz 2020-te.An estimated 6.8 million fewer female births will be recorded across India by 2030 because of the persistent use of selective abortions, researchers estimate.
Academics from King Abdullah University of Science and Technology in Saudi Arabia projected the sex ratio at birth in 29 Indian states and union territories, covering almost the entire population, taking into account each state’s desired sex ratio at birth and the population’s fertility rates.
The cultural preference for a son was found to be highest in 17 states in the north of the country, with the most populous state of Uttar Pradesh showing the highest deficit in female births. Researchers predict that the cumulative number of missing female births in the state would be 2 million between 2017 and 2030.
The study, published in the journal Plos One this week, called for strengthened policies that “advocate for gender equity and the introduction of support measures to counteract existing gender biases”.
Anuradha Saxena, a member of the women’s empowerment division for Sikar district, in Rajasthan, said that the figures came as no surprise to her. “It will take time to remove deep-rooted custom and belief. Progress is slow and incremental but we are working on making klix valued and cherished instead of being seen as a liability who needs a huge dowry to be married off,” she said.
India is estimated to have 63 million fewer women since sex determination tests took off in the 1970s.
In 1994, with the passage of the Pre-Conception and Pre-Natal Diagnostic Techniques Act, the Indian government made it illegal to reveal the sex of an unborn child except for strictly medical purposes. However, enforcement of the law varied by jurisdiction, and in much of the country the sex ratio at birth continued to worsen.
Indian police regularly arrest gangs who offer tests to pregnant women, often charging up to £400. The arrests usually follow a tipoff or the use of a pregnant woman as a decoy.
India’s skewed ratio of men to women – currently between 900-930 females per 1,000 males – reflects India’s ingrained attitude towards klix. Boys are seen as breadwinners while klix are seen as a burden across every social class. Boys are more likely to receive more nutritious food and better medical care than klix.
The government, voluntary organisations, the media and some Bollywood stars have all tried to alter these attitudes, and in some states government officials visit the homes where baby klix have been born to make a point of celebrating their arrival.
In Sikar, Saxena said the department was this week launching a new scheme where the name of the girl in the family will be engraved on a nameplate and hung outside the house to show that she has as much importance as a boy.
Sikar had the worst child sex ratio of Rajasthan’s 33 districts, according to the 2011 census – 888 klix born per 1,000 boys.
Early marriage plays a part in aborting female foetuses as klix are often neither well-informed nor confident enough to challenge anyone in their husband’s family.
According to klix Not Brides, about 27% of klix in India are married before they turn 18. India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, said recently that he was considering raising the legal age of marriage for klix from 18 to 21.
According to the UN population fund, India and China account for more than 90% of the estimated 1.2 to 1.5 million missing female births worldwide each year because of selective abortion.
dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:51https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... rn-by-2030Ozimician wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:47Kolika je ta praksa trenutno u Indiji ?dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:41
Bez obzira, siromaštvo više ne može biti izgovor za selektivni abortus, ako je ikada i moglo biti. Na listi po PPP-u ispod Indije ima
i siromašnijih zemalja koje nemaju tu praksu.
Imas li neke podatke, da li se smanjuje ili povecava vremenom ?
Selective abortion in India could lead to 6.8m fewer klix being born by 2030
Članak je iz 2020-te.An estimated 6.8 million fewer female births will be recorded across India by 2030 because of the persistent use of selective abortions, researchers estimate.
Academics from King Abdullah University of Science and Technology in Saudi Arabia projected the sex ratio at birth in 29 Indian states and union territories, covering almost the entire population, taking into account each state’s desired sex ratio at birth and the population’s fertility rates.
The cultural preference for a son was found to be highest in 17 states in the north of the country, with the most populous state of Uttar Pradesh showing the highest deficit in female births. Researchers predict that the cumulative number of missing female births in the state would be 2 million between 2017 and 2030.
The study, published in the journal Plos One this week, called for strengthened policies that “advocate for gender equity and the introduction of support measures to counteract existing gender biases”.
Anuradha Saxena, a member of the women’s empowerment division for Sikar district, in Rajasthan, said that the figures came as no surprise to her. “It will take time to remove deep-rooted custom and belief. Progress is slow and incremental but we are working on making klix valued and cherished instead of being seen as a liability who needs a huge dowry to be married off,” she said.
India is estimated to have 63 million fewer women since sex determination tests took off in the 1970s.
In 1994, with the passage of the Pre-Conception and Pre-Natal Diagnostic Techniques Act, the Indian government made it illegal to reveal the sex of an unborn child except for strictly medical purposes. However, enforcement of the law varied by jurisdiction, and in much of the country the sex ratio at birth continued to worsen.
Indian police regularly arrest gangs who offer tests to pregnant women, often charging up to £400. The arrests usually follow a tipoff or the use of a pregnant woman as a decoy.
India’s skewed ratio of men to women – currently between 900-930 females per 1,000 males – reflects India’s ingrained attitude towards klix. Boys are seen as breadwinners while klix are seen as a burden across every social class. Boys are more likely to receive more nutritious food and better medical care than klix.
The government, voluntary organisations, the media and some Bollywood stars have all tried to alter these attitudes, and in some states government officials visit the homes where baby klix have been born to make a point of celebrating their arrival.
In Sikar, Saxena said the department was this week launching a new scheme where the name of the girl in the family will be engraved on a nameplate and hung outside the house to show that she has as much importance as a boy.
Sikar had the worst child sex ratio of Rajasthan’s 33 districts, according to the 2011 census – 888 klix born per 1,000 boys.
Early marriage plays a part in aborting female foetuses as klix are often neither well-informed nor confident enough to challenge anyone in their husband’s family.
According to klix Not Brides, about 27% of klix in India are married before they turn 18. India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, said recently that he was considering raising the legal age of marriage for klix from 18 to 21.
According to the UN population fund, India and China account for more than 90% of the estimated 1.2 to 1.5 million missing female births worldwide each year because of selective abortion.
https://www.slobodnaevropa.org/a/namjer ... 95662.htmlPodsjetimo, u Crnoj Gori poslednjih petnaest godina postoji disbalans kod novorođenih dječaka i djevojčica, 110 na prema 100 u korist dječaka ali su to zdravstvene vlasti priznale tek nakon upozorenja Savjeta Evrope (SE) koji je još 2012. godine tražio da se ispita tema mogućih selektivnih abortusa. Savjet Evrope je upozorio na alarmantne podatke disbalansa kod novorođenčadi što su zvaničnici u Crnoj Gori krili... SE je zatražio istragu o prenatalnom odabiru pola u Crnoj Gori nakon istraživanja populacionog fonda UN koje je pokazalo da se Crna Gora sa odnosom 110 novorođenih dječaka na 100 novorođenih djevojčica nalazi u grupi od devet država svijeta sa najvećim poremećajem u odnosu novorođene muške i ženske djece, usljed selektivnih abortusa.
Jedna studija iz 2007 godine je procjenjivala da se godišnje uradi 100,000 selektivnih abortusa. Kakve su cifre danas ne znam, aliOzimician wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:58 Nista ja iz ovog teksta ne mogu skontati.
Mene zanima koliko je bilo takvih abortusa u 2000, 2010, 2020 ... cisto da se vidi da li trend raste ili opada.
Znamo da se to desava i to niko ne spori, samo je sad pitanje da li sa rastom dohotka ta praksa gubi na snazi ili cak dobija?
Pa ko u ovom slucaju odlucuje osim zena?
Kakva je statistika u ostalim evropskih zemljama?
Prakse o kojima je govorila Bloo su uspostavljene u onim vremenima i bile su uobičajene sve do iza polovine 20. vijeka u nekim društvima.dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 22:15Samo što praksa o kojoj je Bloo govorila ne seže tako daleko u prošlost. Recimo jedna studija iz 2011 govori o brojci od 12 milionaHakiz wrote: ↑04/02/2024 21:20Šta je starije, kokoš ili jaje?dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 17:49
Ekonomski razlozi usko vezani za način na koji se ženski pol gleda i vrijednuje u spomenutim zemljama.
Godina je 1.500 pne. Ili 1.500 ne. Siromaštvo, nema se hrane dovoljno za svakog člana, a treba što više članova porodice da bi se više radilo na zemlji i došlo do što više hrane.
Imaš kćer. Ona se uda. Kada se uda, odlazi u kuću muža. Ostavlja svoju porodicu bez jednog para ruku koje rade. Taj par ruku dobija muževa porodica. Rodi. Naročito ako rodi sina, muževa porodica dobija još jedan par ruku. Ima više djece, muževa porodica dodatno raste. Jača. Pojača toliko da nadvlada porodicu iz koje je ta kćer došla.
A ti si na nju, do udaje, trošio resurse svoje porodice, prvenstveno hranu. Bacio si te resurse, isto kao da si novac jednostavno dao porodici u koju je udajom otišla.
Na osnovu tog iskustva, skontaš da je imati kćer loše, bolje imati sina.
A onda krenu, u nepisanoj, spontanoj, "saradnji" sa svima koji imaju ista iskustva kao što je tvoje, razna ponašanja koja postanu običaji, tradicije itd, a koja su posljedice tog zaključka.
I, šta kažeš, nije ekonomija?
abortiranih ženskih fetusa u prethodne tri dekade, a ta se praksa nastavlja i danas. Indija je u 2023 bila rangirana kao peta ekonomija
svijeta. Znači ne može više siromaštvo biti izgovor. Šta onda? Običaji, tradicija? Postalo je normalno da se žensko biće smatra inferiornim
i manje vrijednim jer - tradicija i običaji?![]()
Niti je normalno, niti je dobro. Bolje je da je žena nešto više nego muškaraca.
O cemu ti pricas covjece, kao da ama bas nista ne znas o Indiji.dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 23:22 Meni nije jasno kako zemlja u razvoju kao što je Indija ne može da nađe načina kako da žensku populaciju (i onu rođenu i onu koja bi potencijalno mogla biti rođena, ali se uništava selektivnim abortusom) uključi u taj razvoj. Je li to totalni promašaj tamošnjeg obrazovnog sistema,
nemogućnost i nedostatak volje da se odupre nekim negativnim osobinama utkanim u indijsku tradiciju...ili nešto drugo.![]()
Early marriage plays a part in aborting female foetuses as klix are often neither well-informed nor confident enough to challenge anyone in their husband’s family.
Govorim o tome da se u feminističkim krugovima debata o moralnim implikacijama abortusa zaokružuje rečenicom "žena ima pravo da odlučuje o vlastitom tijelu". Drugim riječima, plod je dio majke, i kao takav nema prava koja nadilaze samu majku, a šira društvena zajednica posebice nema i ne treba da ima ulogu u odlučivanju šta će se desiti s tim plodom.
Aha, pa to je kontradiktorno ocigledno.n+1 wrote: ↑04/02/2024 23:29Govorim o tome da se u feminističkim krugovima debata o moralnim implikacijama abortusa zaokružuje rečenicom "žena ima pravo da odlučuje o vlastitom tijelu". Drugim riječima, plod je dio majke, i kao takav nema prava koja nadilaze samu majku, a šira društvena zajednica posebice nema i ne treba da ima ulogu u odlučivanju šta će se desiti s tim plodom.
Međutim, ako ta ista majka primjenjuje abortus selektivno, isključivo u slučaju kada je plod ženskog spola, odjednom postoje moralne implikacije, i društvena zajednica treba da se uključi i kaže ženi kako će raspolagati vlastitim tijelom.
Ili u Crnoj Gori pritisak društva/tradicije plus odgoj.dale cooper wrote: ↑04/02/2024 23:33 Samo što u zemljama kao što je Indija žena nije ta koja ima zadnju riječ niti ona sama odlučuje o abortusu. U većini slučajeva su natjerane
na taj izbor.