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PRO testant wrote:http://www.sarajevo-x.com/zanimljivosti ... /091209109

Ne mogoh odliti a da ne postavim link - tele sa znakom Krsta.

PRO testant wrote:http://www.sarajevo-x.com/zanimljivosti ... /091209109

Ne mogoh odliti a da ne postavim link - tele sa znakom Krsta.

KotromanichII wrote:Ovom dokazu se necete moci oduprijeti.

Allah Gospodar univerzuma kaze:

Reci: “Kad bi se svi ljudi i džini udružili da sačine jedan ovakav Kur’an, oni, takav kao što je on, ne bi sačinili, pa makar jedni drugima pomagali.” (Al-Isra’, 88)

Geometrija u Kuranu

Ovo je jedan od najjacih dokaza da je kuran od Allaha, pogledaj te kako je kuran konstruisan i programiran, da ajeti matematicki suradjuju jedni sa drugima. Arapska slova imaju svoju brojcanu vrijednost, rijec Allah ima brojcanu vrijednost "931", pogledaj te ovo savresenstvo Kurana.

"Mathematicians' Statement on the Bible Codes

We are making this statement concerning what have been called "Bible codes" or "Torah codes". We recognize that many sincere people take this phenomenon seriously, which compels us to speak out on the basis of what our mathematical training tells us about the evidence claimed for this alleged phenomenon.

There is a common belief in the general community to the effect that many mathematicians, statisticians, and other scientists consider the claims to be credible. This belief is incorrect. On the contrary, the almost unanimous opinion of those in the scientific world who have studied the question is that the theory is without foundation. The signatories to this letter have themselves examined the evidence and found it entirely unconvincing.

We refer in particular to the paper Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis, published in Statistical Science in 1994. This experiment suffers from major problems concerning both its execution and the interpretation of its conclusions. Even without these concerns, we would not take such extraordinary claims seriously without a vastly more systematic and thorough investigation. No such investigation has been carried out, nor has the work so far established a prima facie case. In addition, word clusters such as mentioned in Witztum's and Drosnin's books and the so called messianic codes are an uncontrolled phenomenon and similar clusters will be found in any text of similar length. All claims of incredible probabilities for such clusters are bogus, since they are computed contrary to standard rules of probability and statistics.

Among the signatories below are some who believe that the Torah was divinely written. We see no conflict between that belief and the opinion we have expressed above.
Signatures

1. Robert E. L. Aldred
Department of Mathematics and Statistics
University of Otago
New Zealand.
PhD. Melbourne University, 1987
[email protected]
2. Dror Bar-Natan
Senior Lecturer in Mathematics
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel.
PhD, Princeton 1991
[email protected]
http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~drorbn
3. Jay H. Beder
Associate Professor of Mathematical Sciences
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Milwaukee, WI, USA.
PhD, The George Washington University 1981
[email protected]
http://www.uwm.edu/~beder/
4. Valentina M. Borok
Emeritus Professor of Mathematics
Kharkov State University
Kharkov, Ukraine.
PhD, Moscow State University 1957
[email protected]
5. Robert Brooks
Professor of Mathematics
Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
Haifa, Israel.
PhD, Harvard University 1977
[email protected]
6. Mark Burgin
Visiting Scholar in Mathematics
UCLA
Los Angeles, CA, USA.
PhD, Moscow State University 1971
[email protected]
7. George M. Butler
Professor of Mathematics
Louisiana Tech University
Ruston, LA, USA.
PhD, Oklahoma State University, 1968
[email protected]
http://www.math.latech.edu
8. Gary A. Chase
Senior Research Biostatistician
Henry Ford Health System
Detroit, MI, USA.
Adjunct Professor of Biomathematics and Biostatistics
Georgetown University
PhD, Johns Hopkins 1970
[email protected]
9. E. B. Davies
Professor of Mathematics
King's College, University of London
London, England.
Fellow of the Royal Society
D. Phil., University of Oxford 1968
[email protected]
10. Percy Deift
Professor of Mathematics
The Courant Institute, NYU
New York, NY, USA.
PhD, Princeton 1976
[email protected]
11. Persi Diaconis
David Duncan Professor of Physical Sciences
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY, USA.
Member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences
PhD, Harvard 1974
12. Laurence S. Freedman
Professor of Statistics
Bar Ilan University
Ramat Gan, Israel.
[email protected]
13. Fritz Gesztesy
L. M. DeFoe Professor of Mathematics
University of Missouri
Columbia, MO, USA.
PhD, University of Graz 1976
[email protected]
http://www.math.missouri.edu/people/fac ... esypt.html
14. Sheldon Goldstein
Professor of Mathematics
Rutgers University
New Brunswick, NJ, USA.
PhD, Yeshiva University 1974
[email protected]
15. Lawrence F. Gray
Professor of Mathematics
University of Minnesota
Minneapolis, MN, USA.
PhD, Cornell University 1977
[email protected]
16. Rami Grossberg
Associate Professor of Mathematics
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
PhD, Hebrew University 1986
[email protected]
17. Lee O. Hagglund
Professor of Mathematics
Wofford College
Spartanburg, S.C. USA
Ph.D., Duke 1972
[email protected]
18. A. Michael Hasofer
Emeritus Professor of Statistics
University of New South Wales
Sydney, NSW, Australia.
PhD, University of Tasmania 1964
[email protected]
19. Tim Hesterberg
Research Scientist
MathSoft/Statistical Sciences
Seattle, WA, USA.
PhD, Stanford, 1988
[email protected]
20. Peter Hines
Programmer
University of Wales
Bangor, Wales.
PhD, University of Wales, 1997
21. Svetlana Jitomirskaya
Associate Professor of Mathematics
University of California Irvine
Irvine, CA, USA.
PhD, Moscow State University 1991
[email protected]
22. Gil Kalai
Professor of Mathematics
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel.
PhD, Hebrew University 1983
[email protected]
23. Fima Klebaner
Associate Professor of Mathematics and Statistics
University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, Australia
PhD, Melbourne University 1983
24. David Klein
Professor of Mathematics
California State University
Northridge, CA, USA.
PhD, Cornell 1981
25. Richard N. Lane
President
Lane, Westly Inc.
Ph.D., Caltech, 1968
[email protected]
http://frontpage.home.net/richlanephd/
26. Joel Lebowitz
George William Hill Professor of Mathematics and Physics
Rutgers University
New Brunswick, NJ, USA.
Member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences
PhD, Syracuse University 1956
[email protected]
27. Nati Linial
Professor of Computer Science,
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel.
PhD, Hebrew University 1978
28. Gary Lorden
Professor of Mathematics
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA, USA.
PhD, Cornell 1966
29. Brendan McKay
Professor of Computer Science
Australian National University
Canberra, ACT, Australia.
Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science
PhD, Melbourne University 1980
[email protected]
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/
30. Tom Metzger
Professor of Mathematics
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
PhD, Purdue
31. Aaron Meyerowitz
Associate Professor of Mathematics
Florida Atlantic University
Boca Raton, FL, USA.
PhD, Colorado State University 1984
[email protected]
32. Stephen D. Miller
Assistant Professor of Mathematics
Yale University
New Haven, CT, USA.
PhD, Princeton 1997
[email protected]
http://www.math.yale.edu/users/steve
33. Paul Nevai
Professor of Mathematics
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio, USA.
Ph.D. 1973, Academy of Sciences, Budapest
[email protected]
http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/
34. Amos Nevo
Department of Mathematics
Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
Haifa, Israel.
PhD, Hebrew University 1992
35. Eli Passow
Professor of Mathematics
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA 19122
Ph.D., Yeshiva University, 1966
[email protected]
36. John Allen Paulos
Professor of Mathematics
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA, USA.
PhD, University of Wisconsin, 1974
[email protected]
http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos
37. Yehuda Pinchover
Assoicate Professor Mathematics
Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
Haifa, Israel.
PhD, Hebrew University 1986
[email protected]
38. Alexander Pruss
Department of Philosophy
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
PhD, Univ. British Columbia 1996
[email protected]
http://www.pitt.edu/~pruss
39. Maurice Rojas
Assistant Professor of Mathematics
City University of Hong Kong
Hong Kong, China.
PhD, Berkeley 1995
40. Mary Beth Ruskai
Professor of Mathematics
University of Massachusetts Lowell
Lowell, MA, USA.
PhD, Univ. of Wisconsin 1969
41. Jeremy Schiff
Senior Lecturer, Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science
Bar-Ilan University
Ramat Gan, Israel.
PhD, Columbia University NY 1991
[email protected]
42. Gideon Schwarz
Professor of Statistics
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel.
PhD, Columbia University 1961
[email protected]
43. Senya Shlosman
Professor of Mathematics
University of California Irvine
Irvine, CA, USA.
PhD, Steklov Institute of Mathematics, Leningrad 1977
[email protected]
44. Barry Simon
IBM Professor of Mathematics and Theoretical Physics and Executive Officer for Mathematics
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA, USA.
Member, Austrian Academy of Sciences
PhD, Princeton 1970
D. Sc. h. c., Technion, 1999
[email protected]
http://math.caltech.edu/people/simon.html
http://wopr.com/biblecodes/
45. Martha Simon
Lecturer in Mathematics
California State University
Northridge, CA, USA.
PhD, Princeton 1974
46. J. Laurie Snell
Professor of Mathematics Emeritus
Dartmouth College
Hanover, NH, USA.
PhD, University of Illinois 1951
[email protected]
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance
47. Terry Speed
Professor of Statistics
University of California
Berkeley, CA, USA.
PhD, Monash University 1969
[email protected]
48. Terence Tao
Assistant Professor of Mathematics
UCLA
Los Angeles, CA, USA.
PhD, Princeton 1996
[email protected]
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tao
49. Ian Wanless
Research Fellow in Mathematics
Christ Church, Oxford, United Kingdom.
PhD, Australian National University 1997
[email protected]
50. Thomas Ward
School of Mathematics
University of East Anglia
Norwich, England.
[email protected]
http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/people/tw.html
51. Herbert S. Wilf
Thomas A. Scott Professor of Mathematics
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA, USA
PhD, Columbia University 1958
[email protected]
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~wilf
52. Henry Wolkowicz
Professor of Combinatorics and Optimization
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
PhD, McGill 1979
[email protected]
http://orion.math.uwaterloo.ca/~hwolkowi
53. Abraham Wyner
Visiting Assistant Professor of Statistics
University of California Berkeley
PhD, Stanford 1993
[email protected]
54. Doron Zeilberger
Professor of Mathematics
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA, USA.
PhD, Weizmann Institute of Science 1976
[email protected]
55. Yakov I. Zhitomirskii
Professor of Mathematics
Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
Haifa, Israel.
PhD, Moscow State University 1959
[email protected]

Who can sign?

All the individuals whose names appear above hold PhDs in Mathematics or Statistics or are faculty members in a Department of Mathematics or Statistics at a college or university. Anyone who meets this crit"

Lako je postirati te slike. De nam daj ko je to provjerio i ko je do toga došao. kojim putem?
Ko je vršio provjeru i verifikacuju podataka?

KotromanichII wrote:

Lako je postirati te slike. De nam daj ko je to provjerio i ko je do toga došao. kojim putem?
Ko je vršio provjeru i verifikacuju podataka?

to sam ja vrsio provjeru u excelu, plus sto sam prebrojao ajete u kuranu.

TI brojao ajete u Quranu?
Hajd dobro.

Šta bi za onaj dio o prvoj objavi? Je li 19 ili nije?

KotromanichII wrote:

Šta bi za onaj dio o prvoj objavi? Je li 19 ili nije?

nekontam sta hoces da kazes??

ako mislis o broju 19 koliko je povezan brojcanim cudima u kuranu pa i to se moze uzeti u razmatranje

ali ovaj kvadrat se odnosi samo na jednu suru, sura Mravi

Ne. Prvobitno pitanjeje bilo koliko je riječi bilo u prvoj objavi? Da li je broj 19?
Jer se ta objava i taj broj koristi za pojedina matematička izračunavanja koja si postirao ranije.

Pozdrav

o cim se vi zamarate

KotromanichII wrote:

Ne. Prvobitno pitanjeje bilo koliko je riječi bilo u prvoj objavi? Da li je broj 19?
Jer se ta objava i taj broj koristi za pojedina matematička izračunavanja koja si postirao ranije.

Pozdrav

da i sta je sa tim??? koliko je meni poznato 19 rijeci u prvoj objavi.

nek me ispravi neko ako grijesim

PRO testant wrote:

KotromanichII wrote:

Ne. Prvobitno pitanjeje bilo koliko je riječi bilo u prvoj objavi? Da li je broj 19?
Jer se ta objava i taj broj koristi za pojedina matematička izračunavanja koja si postirao ranije.

Pozdrav

da i sta je sa tim??? koliko je meni poznato 19 rijeci u prvoj objavi.

nek me ispravi neko ako grijesim

Malo nešto googlah oko tog pitanja, i pitanje u matematici oko broja 19, čini mi se da je to opet neka šuplja.
Je si li ti čuo da to potiče od nekog Dr. Rashad Khalifa?
izgleda da je tip to malo "na svoju vodenicu vodu navodio"

http://www.answering-christianity.com/c ... deceit.htm
"Code 19 Deceit"

Malo nešto googlah oko tog pitanja, i pitanje u matematici oko broja 19, čini mi se da je to opet neka šuplja.
Je si li ti čuo da to potiče od nekog Dr. Rashad Khalifa?
izgleda da je tip to malo "na svoju vodenicu vodu navodio"

iceman2010 wrote: Vidi njega! Ja sam mislio da si ti na moru Izgleda kada ne uspijes na jednoj temi eto tebe na drugu da raspalis po Kur'an-u. ccccc. Samo sto neces da odgovaras na pitanja o bibliji. Previse tesko zar ne

KotromanichII wrote:

Malo nešto googlah oko tog pitanja, i pitanje u matematici oko broja 19, čini mi se da je to opet neka šuplja.
Je si li ti čuo da to potiče od nekog Dr. Rashad Khalifa?
izgleda da je tip to malo "na svoju vodenicu vodu navodio"

da ti pravo kazem ja nikad nisam bio fasciniram sa tim brojem 19 oko kurana, jednostavno zato sto ja nisam mogao da testiram to. spominje se neke cifre za koje ja nemogu potvrditi jesu li tacne, tako da sam to uzimao sa rezervom cijelo vrijeme

dok oko ovog kvadrata sam vise fasciniran, zato sto sam mogu testirati sve to.

Ali zar ne misliš da se to može pokazati u vezi nekd drugih drevnih djela? (na mora biti BIblija u pitanju)

Da li si razmišljao da pokušaš potražiti koji je to model matematike i da li se može aplicirati na još neke stvari?

Taj mi je tvoj primjer u ekselu jako nejasan. O čemu se zapravo radi?

PRO testant wrote:

iceman2010 wrote: Vidi njega! Ja sam mislio da si ti na moru Izgleda kada ne uspijes na jednoj temi eto tebe na drugu da raspalis po Kur'an-u. ccccc. Samo sto neces da odgovaras na pitanja o bibliji. Previse tesko zar ne

Eto internet ima samo u Sarajevu, a ne i na moru? Odlična dedukcija, nema šta.
Ne nije teško, zašto bi bilo?
Ali sam ti reako kada razriješiš ono pitanje sa Quranom i Riječju Božijom onda me pozovi.
OSim toga i tamo smo razgovarali između ostalog i o Quranu, zašto to pitanje i ta ironičnost?
A naveo sam ti i razloge, zbog kojeg ne možemo ići dalje, a ti to mežeš "tumačiti" kako god je tebi volja.
Tvoja stvar i tvoji postupci, što donekle govori i o tebi barem nešto.


Pozdrav iz ....

iceman2010 wrote:

PRO testant wrote:

iceman2010 wrote: Vidi njega! Ja sam mislio da si ti na moru Izgleda kada ne uspijes na jednoj temi eto tebe na drugu da raspalis po Kur'an-u. ccccc. Samo sto neces da odgovaras na pitanja o bibliji. Previse tesko zar ne

Eto internet ima samo u Sarajevu, a ne i na moru? Odlična dedukcija, nema šta.
Ne nije teško, zašto bi bilo?
Ali sam ti reako kada razriješiš ono pitanje sa Quranom i Riječju Božijom onda me pozovi.
OSim toga i tamo smo razgovarali između ostalog i o Quranu, zašto to pitanje i ta ironičnost?
A naveo sam ti i razloge, zbog kojeg ne možemo ići dalje, a ti to mežeš "tumačiti" kako god je tebi volja.
Tvoja stvar i tvoji postupci, što donekle govori i o tebi barem nešto.


Pozdrav iz ....

Bas se pravis blesav. To pitanje smo jako dobro razjesili. Dao sam ti komentare it ibn Kesira, ali je za tebe razrjesenje te stvari da ja prihvatim tvoje misljenje. Sta si ocekivao? Da cu reci jes ti si u pravu vodi me, ja nemam svoje misljenje uzecu tvoje kao jedino relevantno? Jesi li ocekivao da cu ti tako odgovoriti. Ti u stvari ne znas da vodis debatu i pokusavas da na silu nametnes svoje misljenje. Temu koju spominjes smo presli i uzduz i poprijeko. Ja sam ti tamo na sve odgovorio, dao ti i komentar iz Ibn Kesira, ali ti hoces da je tvoje tumacenje ispred njegovog i mog kao muslimana. Cak si me poceo uciti Islamu sto je slozices se malo bezobrazno. Ali nisi bio spreman da odgovaras na moja pitanja o Bibliji. Druze ti si sa one teme pobjegao kao zadnji mis kada si vidio da nista ne mozes i kada je dosao red na tebe da odgovaras na pitanja. Nemas odgovore na petoknjizje i porijeklo Isusa.