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Promoe wrote:Hocemo li u raspravu uvesti cijenjenog Tarika Haverića, koji se vrlo kvalitetno ispišao po knjizi Muhsina Rizvića?

zlata wrote:

Promoe wrote:Hocemo li u raspravu uvesti cijenjenog Tarika Haverića, koji se vrlo kvalitetno ispišao po knjizi Muhsina Rizvića?

Ha ha ha! "Cijenjeni" Haveric se samo provaljiva svojom ideoloskom ogranicenoscu. Jedino je uspjesno iskasapio Filipovice, al' na njih je mahsuz kivan: izdali mu ideale. Iz iste su "ideoloske skole", pa su to medjusobni obracuni starih Pionira i Kurira.

Messier wrote:Kad dodjes u poziciju"fuck it"..kad ti to postane neka sesnaesta stvar u prioritetu..tad si postao narod..

Andric bitan?
Pa to je ljudi pisac..covjek prica savrsene izmisljene price.

PISAC

zlata wrote:Je'l' ovi silni "intelektualaci", ne razlikuju Turke od Osmanlija, Tursku od Osmanskog Carstva?

Promoe wrote:

zlata wrote:

Promoe wrote:Hocemo li u raspravu uvesti cijenjenog Tarika Haverića, koji se vrlo kvalitetno ispišao po knjizi Muhsina Rizvića?

Ha ha ha! "Cijenjeni" Haveric se samo provaljiva svojom ideoloskom ogranicenoscu. Jedino je uspjesno iskasapio Filipovice, al' na njih je mahsuz kivan: izdali mu ideale. Iz iste su "ideoloske skole", pa su to medjusobni obracuni starih Pionira i Kurira.

Ideoloskom ogranicenoscu
Ma hajte molim vas

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

zlata wrote:Je'l' ovi silni "intelektualaci", ne razlikuju Turke od Osmanlija, Tursku od Osmanskog Carstva?

Pa ne znaju jbg. Ja znam al hajd im objasnjavaj.

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

zlata wrote:Je'l' ovi silni "intelektualaci", ne razlikuju Turke od Osmanlija, Tursku od Osmanskog Carstva?

Pa ne znaju jbg. Ja znam al hajd im objasnjavaj.

Vizionar 1985 wrote:
Pa vidis kak smo mi pametni. Uveli smo Boshnjake i Bosance pa ko hoce da se izjasni kak god hoce. Imamo jos i Srbe, Hrvate itd. Nest ko Jevreji namazani.
Izraelci, Jevreji itd.
I kazu glupi Bosanci. Mozda i jesmo ali smo namazani tokmaci.

Sto se teme tice opjevase, price napisase, mitove itd. ljude koji su ovo prvi i radili a ne Turci od Drakule, Ricarda Lavljeg Srca iako nije to bio itd. Znaci nisu nabijanje na kolac radili Turci prvi, to su vidili i kopirali od Crkve, Krstasa itd.

Taras Buljba je jedna fina knjiga i film koja opisuje sta se radilo i gore od toga, a pisali su i ovdje paljenje i nabijanje na kolac istovremeno, cak vadzenje crijeva na krstu od strane krscana krscanima.

Taras is nailed and tied to a tree and set aflame

Al jbg Turkofili, Zli Turci itd.

¤ jelena ¤ wrote:Ovo nije citat Vučkovića....ja rekoh - uzalud se oslanjaš na Vučkovića jer su njegove analize preširoke za religijsko-etno-nacionalni okvir ili prizmu kroz koju ti posmatraš ove opise..


Vučković govori o patologiji i stravičnim nagonima ljudske svijesti, krvoloku bez ikakvih religijsko-etno-nacionalnih predznaka u tom Andrićevom djelu,

Ne vidim broj stranice i fusnotu...

I rekoh...

tebe vrijeđa okvir koji si sam iscrtao ili koji ti je nametnut od strane tog teoretičara kojeg prvi put čitaš, (Rizvića) a taj okvir je preuzak u poređenju sa onim o čemu Vučković govori...

Radiš istu stvar koju je, nekoliko stranica prije, uradio pokretač teme sa tekstom Nadana Filipovića...kada je ispljunuo stav da je ''islam kancer''...

To izvlačenje iz konteksta i gutanje nečega sa čime se neko drugi već poslužio pa sažvakao i jeste put ka takvom kancerogenom načinu mišljenja...o islamu ili Andriću ili bilo čemu drugom....nebitno...

zlata wrote: Znaju kurve sve. Znaju, znaju. Al' nece da znaju. Ima knjiga onog americkog ambasadora Zimmermana o Beogradu, 90-ih. Veli on "sve su znali". Sve je objavljivano, ali oni su ODABRALI NE ZNATI. Jer ignoriranje istine se uklapalo u njihove ciljeve. Isto je i ovo sranje i sa Andricem , i Selimovicem. Oni su oportuno odabrali "ideoloski pravac", i sva svoja djela uklapali u granice tih svojih ideoloskih-kulturnih granica i politickog pravca.

Ne radi se tu samo o talentu, pisanju. Andric je bio POLITICAR. Zivo od politike. Takodjer je bio ideolog. Jer biti katolik iz BiH, a istodobno se izjasniti kao Srbin, znaci zauzeti ideoloski stav, suprotan onom vecine etnicke skupine iz koje potices.

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote:
Pa vidis kak smo mi pametni. Uveli smo Boshnjake i Bosance pa ko hoce da se izjasni kak god hoce. Imamo jos i Srbe, Hrvate itd. Nest ko Jevreji namazani.
Izraelci, Jevreji itd.
I kazu glupi Bosanci. Mozda i jesmo ali smo namazani tokmaci.

Sto se teme tice opjevase, price napisase, mitove itd. ljude koji su ovo prvi i radili a ne Turci od Drakule, Ricarda Lavljeg Srca iako nije to bio itd. Znaci nisu nabijanje na kolac radili Turci prvi, to su vidili i kopirali od Crkve, Krstasa itd.

Taras Buljba je jedna fina knjiga i film koja opisuje sta se radilo i gore od toga, a pisali su i ovdje paljenje i nabijanje na kolac istovremeno, cak vadzenje crijeva na krstu od strane krscana krscanima.

Taras is nailed and tied to a tree and set aflame

Al jbg Turkofili, Zli Turci itd.

Ovo je kljucno. Zli Turci, Osmanlije samo oni Zli bili i samo oni ubijali itd.
Nije Drakula na kolce ljude zive nabijo, nije Ricard sve zivo u Jerusalemu pobijo itd.
Nisu ljude na rostilju palili zive po Europi, nisu im crijeva na krstu vadili itd.

Jbg Mi smo Andzeli a ovi drugi Turci i tamnoputi su Demoni, Sotona.
Ko slika kako Andzeo Mihajlo, Mihael ubija Sotonu, il Demona.

Mihajlo plav, bijel, u Rimljanskoj nosnji a Sotona, Demon garav, tamnoput, isti ko Turcin, Cigo itd.

Evo probat cu nac sliku.

mad_max_ba wrote:Nurudine, Jelena i Karlinka

kako vas je dobro čitati

Nurudin wrote:Nije tačno da ne postoje "religijsko-etnonacionalni predznaci" , upravo o tome se i radi .

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Vid Sotone misicav, radnik ko rudar neki ili lopatar.
A vid Andzela ko Elita, malo samo oblikovan, normalno, nidze miski.

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote: Ovo je kljucno. Zli Turci, Osmanlije samo oni Zli bili i samo oni ubijali itd.
Nije Drakula na kolce ljude zive nabijo, nije Ricard sve zivo u Jerusalemu pobijo itd.
Nisu ljude na rostilju palili zive po Europi, nisu im crijeva na krstu vadili itd.

zlata wrote:Da, al' na Balkanu ti prijatelji salju recenice iz djela Andrica i Selimovica, kao DOKAZ i obrazlozenje aktuelnog stanja na terenu. Eto, nedavno mi jedna poznanica salje Selimoviceve "mudre rijeci" o Bosnjacima, da bi mi objasnila "kako i zasto". Zena nit je neskolovana,(dapace, ima i magistarski iz Amerike), nit' je nepismena, nit' je glupa. Ali, odgojena je kao Titin Pionir, od malehna citala Selimovica i Andrica k'o da su Biblija i Stari Zavjet, i njoj su njihova djela porucnik u zivot. Obrazlozenje za sve. Oni su i proroci i analiticari. Pa ti haj sad budi pametan. Ako skolovaniji tako olahko padaju pred Selimovicevim i Andricevim kompleksima, predrasudama i nebulozama, sta onda ocekivati od obicnih seljacica. Takvi isti su nasjeli i na Draskovicev "Noz".

Sve je to sranje istog "duha". Osmanlije su "Turci". Neka mracna rasa. Sve sto dolazi sa Istoka je nasilno, strano, primitivno, bahato, (osim Isusa, dabome ) a sve sa Zapada, je "prirodno", napredno, prekrasno, tra la la. Rasizam i sovinizam na nivou. Niko ne raspravlja o tome koji je % dalmatinske ili slavonske kulture "uvozni", poslijedica osvajanja, i stoljeca stranih uticaja, a kad je BiH u pitanju, svaka budala za racunarom je "objektivan" analiticar "nasilnog, bezokrutnog, krvavog" poturicivanja BiH i njezinog pucanstva u Osmanskom Carstvu. Meni vise puna kapa. Na stranu da su ti ljudi bili i inteligentni, i nadareni, ali pobogu, bio je i Ratko Mladic, i Hitler, i Staljin. Sto neko zna napisat knjigu, ne znaci da mu je svaka na mjestu, il' da je Bozji prorok.

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Ova slika rasisticka cak mozda i seksisticka jer izgleda Andzeo na slici ko neka razvijena zena.
Ko atleticarka neka.

Al jbg kultura, ovo je vrh umjetnosti, kulture. Jedno od master djela.

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:

zlata wrote:Da, al' na Balkanu ti prijatelji salju recenice iz djela Andrica i Selimovica, kao DOKAZ i obrazlozenje aktuelnog stanja na terenu. Eto, nedavno mi jedna poznanica salje Selimoviceve "mudre rijeci" o Bosnjacima, da bi mi objasnila "kako i zasto". Zena nit je neskolovana,(dapace, ima i magistarski iz Amerike), nit' je nepismena, nit' je glupa. Ali, odgojena je kao Titin Pionir, od malehna citala Selimovica i Andrica k'o da su Biblija i Stari Zavjet, i njoj su njihova djela porucnik u zivot. Obrazlozenje za sve. Oni su i proroci i analiticari. Pa ti haj sad budi pametan. Ako skolovaniji tako olahko padaju pred Selimovicevim i Andricevim kompleksima, predrasudama i nebulozama, sta onda ocekivati od obicnih seljacica. Takvi isti su nasjeli i na Draskovicev "Noz".

Sve je to sranje istog "duha". Osmanlije su "Turci". Neka mracna rasa. Sve sto dolazi sa Istoka je nasilno, strano, primitivno, bahato, (osim Isusa, dabome ) a sve sa Zapada, je "prirodno", napredno, prekrasno, tra la la. Rasizam i sovinizam na nivou. Niko ne raspravlja o tome koji je % dalmatinske ili slavonske kulture "uvozni", poslijedica osvajanja, i stoljeca stranih uticaja, a kad je BiH u pitanju, svaka budala za racunarom je "objektivan" analiticar "nasilnog, bezokrutnog, krvavog" poturicivanja BiH i njezinog pucanstva u Osmanskom Carstvu. Meni vise puna kapa. Na stranu da su ti ljudi bili i inteligentni, i nadareni, ali pobogu, bio je i Ratko Mladic, i Hitler, i Staljin. Sto neko zna napisat knjigu, ne znaci da mu je svaka na mjestu, il' da je Bozji prorok.

pa to i jeste problem: narod je citao Andrica i Sleimovica kao istorijske knjige , dobio komplekse nize vrijednosti i isti kompleksi su se prenosili sa jedne generacije na drugu generaciju !

Dalmatinici Slavocni imaju muzeje,upravo postavi link Nurudinu: Muzej Torture u Zagrebu i Doklecijanov podrum sa psravam za mucenje ,i to se prezentira kao dio proslosti vlastitog naroda u raznim vremenskim periodima. Danas u Spanjolskoj, je toliko turista zaljubljeno u Islamsku umjetnost ( kao sto sam i ja jedna od tkavih) i takvi turisti ne dozivljavaju doticne muslimane danasnjim isilovcima.

zlata wrote:

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:
pa to i jeste problem: narod je citao Andrica i Sleimovica kao istorijske knjige , dobio komplekse nize vrijednosti i isti kompleksi su se prenosili sa jedne generacije na drugu generaciju !

Dalmatinici Slavocni imaju muzeje,upravo postavi link Nurudinu: Muzej Torture u Zagrebu i Doklecijanov podrum sa psravam za mucenje ,i to se prezentira kao dio proslosti vlastitog naroda u raznim vremenskim periodima. Danas u Spanjolskoj, je toliko turista zaljubljeno u Islamsku umjetnost ( kao sto sam i ja jedna od tkavih) i takvi turisti ne dozivljavaju doticne muslimane danasnjim isilovcima.

Ama na'stranu sto ti imas kompleks nize vrijednosti, al' onaj drugi smatra da je BIOLOSKI bolji od tebe, da mu PRIRODNO slijeduju VECA PRAVA, da te cak ima pravo "eliminirati", kad mu prahne, i da je takvo razmisljanje politicki, povjesno, i drustveno obrazlozljivo i prihvatljivo (samo zato sto se on zove Ilija, a ne Alija (a moze i suprotno).

zlata wrote: ps. i ako ima imalo skole, on je obavezno naucio napamet sve o Marku Kraljevicu, procitao bar malo Andrica i Selimovica, jos se usavrsio uz Draskovicev Noz i Kusturicu, i spreman za novu Sijecu Dahija.

Mišo_Kovač wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote: Ovo je kljucno. Zli Turci, Osmanlije samo oni Zli bili i samo oni ubijali itd.
Nije Drakula na kolce ljude zive nabijo, nije Ricard sve zivo u Jerusalemu pobijo itd.
Nisu ljude na rostilju palili zive po Europi, nisu im crijeva na krstu vadili itd.

Rikard Prvi nikad nije ušao u Jeruzalem, i samim time nije ubio nikog u istom Takodjer, razapinjanje na križu se nije dešavalo u Europi, čak ni u vrijeme najsurovijeg perioda izmedju 6. i 10. stoljeća iz očiglednih razloga. U isto to vrijeme, razapinjanje na križu je bila sasvim normalna kazna u Umayyadskom kalifatu, te nešto kasnije i u dalekoistočnim kulturama.

Treba biti precizan i historijski tačan

Richard I, the so-called "Lion-Heart", king of England; and Philip II Augustus, king of France. Hence, the Third Crusade is dubbed the "Kings' Crusade."



However, before achieving anything, the Third Crusade suffered a major setback on June 10, 1190, when Frederick Barbarossa suddenly died. The Holy Roman emperor died not by Salah ad-Din's sword, but rather by drowning while swimming in a shallow stream, the Saleph River, at the foot of the Taurus Mountains in Turkey. As a result, the German Crusader army was dispersed. Nonetheless, the English and French kings proceeded with their troops and took Acre in 1191 after a very gruesome battle with the Arabs. The siege and battle of Acre, which took two years, was the most protracted and desperate bloody episode in the Arab world. Twenty-four thousand Arab fighters died in that battle and about 6,000 others were wounded. [57]



After the fall of Acre, King Richard proceeded to loot a large amount of gold and other fortunes from its Arab inhabitants. Then, contrary to his promises to spare the lives of the surviving Arabs in Acre, under the surrender terms he had accepted, the English King issued orders to the Anglo-French troops on August 20, 1191 that led to one of the most cowardly and atrocious massacres the Crusaders ever committed during their 200-year bloodbath in the Arab world. On that very hot and humid day in August, the entire surviving population of Acre, 2,700 Arabs - men, children, and women with babies clinging to them - were chained and roped to prevent their escape and restrict their movement. Totally frightened and deeply confused, the weeping and praying Arabs were then driven like animals with whips and clubs to the top of a low hill called Ayyadieh to meet their awful fate. One author describes what happened next to these 2,700 Arabs as follows:



"Richard's men began to carry out his orders to kill them all. Swords, spears, knives, axes all flashed in the sun as they rose and fell. This time the children were not saved for the slave market, but were butchered with their fathers and mothers. Even babies in their mother’s arms felt the knives of the blood-drenched Christians ... The killing completed, Richard's army started back to the city, while on the top of the hill a few loot-crazed butchers lurched from one body to another with their bloody knives, hastily disemboweling corpses to recover any gold pieces that might have been swallowed for concealment ... Nor were the prisoners and their families the only deaths he [king Richard I] was responsible for that day. As news of the slaughter spread throughout Saladin's empire, Christian prisoners everywhere were tortured and murdered in reprisal for the infamy..." [58]



After defeating a small battalion of Salah ad-Din's army at the Arab Palestinian village of Arsouf, fifteen miles from Jaffa, the English king celebrated his looting and murdering of thousands of innocent Arabs in cold blood by proudly accepting and then arrogantly bestowing upon himself the courageous nickname the "Lion-Heart". To the English, he may be the "Lion-Heart", and to the French he may be "Le Coeur de Lion", but to all Arabs and Muslims King Richard I of England has always been viewed as a cowardly butcher, a perfidious criminal, and a murderous thug.

Following the trial, on 23 August 1305, Wallace was taken from the hall to the Tower of London, then stripped naked and dragged through the city at the heels of a horse to the Elms at Smithfield.[29] He was hanged, drawn and quartered — strangled by hanging, but released while he was still alive, emasculated, eviscerated and his bowels burned before him, beheaded, then cut into four parts. His preserved head (dipped in tar) was placed on a pike atop London Bridge. It was later joined by the heads of the brothers, John and Simon Fraser. His limbs were displayed, separately, in Newcastle, Berwick, Stirling, and Perth. A plaque stands in a wall of St. Bartholomew's Hospital near the site of Wallace's execution at Smithfield.

Vizionar 1985 wrote:
https://www.radioislam.org/sindi/croisades.htm

Evo istina Muslimani su izvor, pa im se ne moze vjerovat. Jer su Antikristi, Nevjernici.

Richard I, the so-called "Lion-Heart", king of England; and Philip II Augustus, king of France. Hence, the Third Crusade is dubbed the "Kings' Crusade."



However, before achieving anything, the Third Crusade suffered a major setback on June 10, 1190, when Frederick Barbarossa suddenly died. The Holy Roman emperor died not by Salah ad-Din's sword, but rather by drowning while swimming in a shallow stream, the Saleph River, at the foot of the Taurus Mountains in Turkey. As a result, the German Crusader army was dispersed. Nonetheless, the English and French kings proceeded with their troops and took Acre in 1191 after a very gruesome battle with the Arabs. The siege and battle of Acre, which took two years, was the most protracted and desperate bloody episode in the Arab world. Twenty-four thousand Arab fighters died in that battle and about 6,000 others were wounded. [57]



After the fall of Acre, King Richard proceeded to loot a large amount of gold and other fortunes from its Arab inhabitants. Then, contrary to his promises to spare the lives of the surviving Arabs in Acre, under the surrender terms he had accepted, the English King issued orders to the Anglo-French troops on August 20, 1191 that led to one of the most cowardly and atrocious massacres the Crusaders ever committed during their 200-year bloodbath in the Arab world. On that very hot and humid day in August, the entire surviving population of Acre, 2,700 Arabs - men, children, and women with babies clinging to them - were chained and roped to prevent their escape and restrict their movement. Totally frightened and deeply confused, the weeping and praying Arabs were then driven like animals with whips and clubs to the top of a low hill called Ayyadieh to meet their awful fate. One author describes what happened next to these 2,700 Arabs as follows:



"Richard's men began to carry out his orders to kill them all. Swords, spears, knives, axes all flashed in the sun as they rose and fell. This time the children were not saved for the slave market, but were butchered with their fathers and mothers. Even babies in their mother’s arms felt the knives of the blood-drenched Christians ... The killing completed, Richard's army started back to the city, while on the top of the hill a few loot-crazed butchers lurched from one body to another with their bloody knives, hastily disemboweling corpses to recover any gold pieces that might have been swallowed for concealment ... Nor were the prisoners and their families the only deaths he [king Richard I] was responsible for that day. As news of the slaughter spread throughout Saladin's empire, Christian prisoners everywhere were tortured and murdered in reprisal for the infamy..." [58]



After defeating a small battalion of Salah ad-Din's army at the Arab Palestinian village of Arsouf, fifteen miles from Jaffa, the English king celebrated his looting and murdering of thousands of innocent Arabs in cold blood by proudly accepting and then arrogantly bestowing upon himself the courageous nickname the "Lion-Heart". To the English, he may be the "Lion-Heart", and to the French he may be "Le Coeur de Lion", but to all Arabs and Muslims King Richard I of England has always been viewed as a cowardly butcher, a perfidious criminal, and a murderous thug.

Lazu Nevjernici, Antikristi. Sto Posto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disembowelment

Following the trial, on 23 August 1305, Wallace was taken from the hall to the Tower of London, then stripped naked and dragged through the city at the heels of a horse to the Elms at Smithfield.[29] He was hanged, drawn and quartered — strangled by hanging, but released while he was still alive, emasculated, eviscerated and his bowels burned before him, beheaded, then cut into four parts. His preserved head (dipped in tar) was placed on a pike atop London Bridge. It was later joined by the heads of the brothers, John and Simon Fraser. His limbs were displayed, separately, in Newcastle, Berwick, Stirling, and Perth. A plaque stands in a wall of St. Bartholomew's Hospital near the site of Wallace's execution at Smithfield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wallace

Ma laze stoka, i pisac Taras Buljbe, autori tog filma, itd.
Ma stoka laze sto posto, ne bi nikad to neko ko je Krscanin radio.
Sad dalo bi se razglabat jel pravi Krscanin ili ne.

PS. i jel na krstovima il na necemu slicnom krstu, stolovima itd.

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Ova slika rasisticka cak mozda i seksisticka jer izgleda Andzeo na slici ko neka razvijena zena.
Ko atleticarka neka.

Al jbg kultura, ovo je vrh umjetnosti, kulture. Jedno od master djela.

a joj ,pa ti nsita ne znas o umjetnosti mode,pa npr. Tudori su se oblacili gejasto, sa naglesenim suspenzorijem koji je doslovno striso Tad je bila takva moda i pogled na muskost, sto si se prepao

Vizionar 1985 wrote:

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:

Vizionar 1985 wrote:
Ova slika rasisticka cak mozda i seksisticka jer izgleda Andzeo na slici ko neka razvijena zena.
Ko atleticarka neka.

Al jbg kultura, ovo je vrh umjetnosti, kulture. Jedno od master djela.

a joj ,pa ti nsita ne znas o umjetnosti mode,pa npr. Tudori su se oblacili gejasto, sa naglesenim suspenzorijem koji je doslovno striso Tad je bila takva moda i pogled na muskost, sto si se prepao

Ma nisam, al je slika fuj rasisticka i cak seksisticka. Ovo nije ironicno uopste.
Osim muskih i zenskih imas i interseks. Sad sta su oni ovdje prikazivali pitanje je.
Jb vaku kulturu i umjetnost.