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1993

Backyard Mahalo, Vitez, Bosnia
Vitez was a pocket within a pocket. The Muslims were surrounded by Croats, and the Croats were in turn surrounded by the Bosnia Army. This man was a fighter in the Mahalo neighborhood. I ran into him in a back yard and he stopped to talk. War has made him look crazy. You can't get this look any other way, and it can be very difficult to get rid of. (In jan. '07 I was contacted by a Bosnian soldier from Vitez who said this guy survived the war and is doing fine
1993

Wounded Croat soldier Busovaca, Bosnia
This Croatian soldier was wounded in fighting between Busovaca and Kakanj. He was from Dario Kordic's HVO unit, and they were fighting the Sedma Brigada, the Muslim Seventh Brigade. You insiders can figure that one out...he had been hit by heavy machine gun fire but I think he was OK. His buddies kept threatening to shoot the TV cameraman I was there with.

summer '93

five guys near Vitez, Bosnia
This image has been here on the site for over a year and I haven't been able to write the caption. The kid in the middle was a friend of mine. When I first got to Bosnia he was too young to fight but he had an AK and bits and pieces of uniform. He took me up to the front line and showed me around the Croatian positions. Eventually they decided he was old enough to fight. The guys in charge preferred to use men who had done their time in the Yugoslav Army before the breakup and therefore were well trained for fighting in the mountains. None of these guys had been in the army. About a week after I took the picture this position got overun and all five of them were killed.

Juli 1993

The biggest piece Mahalo, Vitez
In April of '93 the Croats and the Muslims were officially on the outs. There had been some tension between their forces before that, but their leaders had been able to keep a lid on it. In late April some of the more extreme Croats in the Vitez area got a tank truck and filled the tank with 200 kg of Vitizit, a very powerful explosive made locally for the Jugoslav military. They grabbed an unlucky Muslim and handcuffed him to the steering wheel, then told him to drive to Mahalo...my guess is that the intended target was the Bosnian police headquarters building, but the truck was in front of the house behind the man with the cigar when it went off. The devastation was amazing. Five people were killed, including my friend Huso, his wife, and a young policeman I'd had lunch with a few days earlier. This gear is the largest remaining piece of the truck which blew up.

Avg 1993

Fallen comrade Busovaca
Saying goodbye to Marinko Blazevic.
1993

The spring Brdo, Bosnia
The hill above Vitez was so peaceful that it was hard to feel like you were on the front line. I was walking up to the Croatian positions with these two young men from Nova Bila when they stopped to drink from the fountain. They were both killed in action about three weeks later

Croats in mountain village Miletici, Bosnia
In August of '93 the mountain hamlet of Miletici was attacked by a gang from Zenica. Five local citizens were murdered. The attack was reportedly a reaction by Muslims to the Croatian killing of over 100 muslims in the Lasva Valley settlement called Ahmici. When the band of 20 raiders approached an elderly Muslim went out to meet them, to tell them that there were no soldiers in the little village and that Croats and Muslims were living peacefully together as they always had. The raiders killed the man and entered the village. There they murdered four Croatian men in the most savage fashion. This couple was not bothered by the raiders. They wore very old fashioned Croatian clothes and lived a simple life without modern inventions. The man had seen the world and switched easily between Croatian, French, English, and German. Both of them talked at the same time without regard for what the other was saying. The man recognized the raiders: "Some of Tito's Arabs." They had come to study metallurgy in Zenica some 20 years earlier, and never left.
1993

Wounded child Vitez, Central Bosnia
This 9-year-old Croatian girl was playing in Vitez when a mortar round exploded nearby. Five kids were killed and a number were wounded. She lost her left arm but was otherwise untouched by the shell.

Priest shot by sniper Vitez
When the local people who were supposed to be fighting each other were getting along the big shots would bring in an outsider. The Muslims around Vitez were not real crazy about shooting priests or kids or journalists so an outside sniper was brought in. She shot everybody, including this Catholic priest, who was a very positive influence in the community. A group of Croats finally went after her. They charged up the hill to her hideout and killed her. I have a hunch that the local Muslim soldiers told the Croats something like "We're going to be taking a long lunch today and won't be defending our position, so don't try anything funny..."


Hospital at Nova Bila Nova Bila
The hospital for the Lasva Valley was in Travnik. Either the Croats were no longer allowed there by the Muslims, who controlled the town, or else the Croats didn't want to go there...so they set up a hospital in the Catholic church in Nova Bila. The level of care seemed to be pretty high and they had a lot of supplies. The young man on the right was an ambulance driver. He lost a foot and had other bad wounds. He was in pain but was quite tough about it

Nova Bila hospital

Izvor : http://www.pbase.com/zidar/rat

prog321 wrote:Kad je vec prica o Jajcu, sjecam se da je Armija govorila kako je HVO pustio VRS kroz svoje linije. Ima li istine u tome ? Kako je Jajce palo kad je postojao samo jedan pravac ulaska u grad ??

Jesu,pustili su ih preko polozaja koje su drzali kvislinzi iz tzv hvo-a, i to je bilo samo dio iste strategije koje su pokusavali na drugim mjestima, samo sa drugacijim obimom i rezultatima: Travnik, Bihac, Tuzla, Vares, Kiseljak, Zepce.

Pa upravo preko tog pravca kojeg su kvislinzi propustili su i prosli ustvari svi osvajaci koji su osvojili Jajce: Austrougari, Svabo 1941, partizani ,cetnici 1992, a i ustase su 1995 isto prosle iz tog pravca samo sto su im ovi vratili uslugu iz 1992, pustili su da usetaju u grad samo da ne bi Armija mogla da ga oslobodi prije.
To je bio najvazniji polozaj preko kojeg je bilo moguce zauzeti Jajce, pravac od Banja Luke nije bio pogodan za napade a pravac iz D. Vakufa je drzala Armija RBIH. Npr iz pravca Donjeg Vakuf su vec od februara 1992 bili ukopani odma iznad prvih kuca iznad Jajca ( nije neka bezobrazna sala) i tuda su nekoliko puta pokusavali ali nije im uspjelo. Ti se najblizi polozaji vide odma na pocetku ovog snimka, brda koja se vide u pozadini su bile njhove pozicije za napade na grad :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXLkgnWX10

Sarajmen wrote:Tema je namijenjena za razmjenu mišljenja i arhivskog materijala isključivo iz zone odgovornosti III Korpusa Armije Republike Bosne i Hercegovine, sa sjedištem u gradu Zenici. Sljedeći prilog sam iskoristio kao uvod u temu:

A jebada u Žepču?

Tu je HVO dobio utakmicu, što jest - jest.

murathans wrote:
A jebada u Žepču?

Tu je HVO dobio utakmicu, što jest - jest.

Kakav hvo, pa sve su tu cetnici odigrali. Od ulaska tenkova pa do cuvanja linija i pomaganjem MTS-sve su to oni odigrali.

Goran Stoparić, koji kao "četnički insajder" svedoči na suđenju lideru srpskih radikala Vojislavu Šešelju, zbunio je danas sudije izjavom da se u jesen 1993. godine na strani Hrvata borio protiv Muslimana. Sudijama, naime, nije bilo jasno kako se "Šešeljev dobrovoljac" iz Šida, nakon što se 1991. borio u Vukovaru u sastavu odreda Leva supoderica, a 1992. u Hercegovini kao zamenik četničkog vojvode Vakića, u jesen 1993. godine - kao komandir novosadske dobrovoljačke čete u sastavu Vojske Republike Srpske (VRS) – našao u Žepču gde se "rame uz rame sa pripadnicima Hrvatskog vijeća obrane" (HVO) borio protiv Muslimana, odnosno Armije BiH.

Ili malo o " humanitarnoj pomoci " za Zepce



Jos je detaljnije sve objasnjeno na temi o sukobima u Srednjoj Bosni, pogtovo jer ta je tema srodna sa ovom.

http://forum.klix.ba/srednja-bosna-suko ... s1700.html

Tutnjavac wrote:Na forumu HB objavljena je mapa Žepča u "okruženju". Ispada da se jedna hrvatska brigada branila od 10 brigada Armije, plus protiv VRS.

O tome koliko je snaga bilo i moglo biti, sa strane Armije u tom periodu, već sam pisao.

Sada samo stavljam obje mape. Evo izvorna



Evo mape s "pojašenjenjem".

Crvenim tačkicama je označen dio koji uopšte nije bio front. To je slobodni prostor između VRS i HVO, gdje je HVO dao VRS-u položaje. To je veliki prostor zapadno (od Tutnjavca do Brezovih Dana) i prolaz VRS na rijeci Bosni prema Bočinji, kod Maglaja.

Plavim tačkicama je označen dio linije koji drži VRS, a HVO samo učestvuje preko interventnih jedinica.

Narandžastim tačkicama je označen dio fronta prema Zavidovićima, gdje su VRS i HVO zajednički napadali.



Pored toga, ima još grešaka/obmana. Navode se imena brigada, a nigdje se ne označava kako i koliko ta brigada učestvuje. Već sam pisao o tome. Ovdje opet, nije nikako navedeno 314. (jedan bataljon), ali je 309. (koja je na Vozući), navodi se 320. (druga zavidovićka brigada) koja je u ključnim momentima tog rata tek u formiranju. Naravno, opet je navedena 7. muslimanska, a te brigade u nekom jačem smislu nije je bilo tamo; tek jedna manja četa lokalnih boraca, koja je jedno kratko vrijeme formalno pripadala 7. muslimanskoj.

Da ne govorim, opet, o ovom sjevernom dijelu, gdje ispade da su skoro sve tešanjske brigade i maglajska imale samo zadatak kidisati na hrvatsku nejač.

Ne bi bilo zgoreg procitati neku analizu/objasnjenje dogadjanja u Vitezu u pogledu fotografija koje prikazuju odlazak ljudi hrvatske narodnosti.

Je li to ona "Muslimanska okupacija" kako stoji na onom velikom krizu 200-tinjak metara zracne linije od dzamije u selu Ahmici?

Sarajmen wrote:DATE IMPORTED: 10 September, 1995
A Bosnian Serb soldier smokes a cigarette in a trench while his comrade mans an observation post (behind) near the village of Vozuca on Mt.Ozren September 9

Izvor: http://pictures.reuters.com/Doc/RTR/Med ... TXFQEW.jpg

9 septembar 1995, sto ga je tu pusio, pusio je .... samo dan poslije ih vise nije bilo tu.

Sarajmen wrote:
Muslim houses are burned and destroyed on on the eastern frontline of Travnik during the Yugoslavian Civil War. Conflict among the Croats, Serbs, and Muslims in Bosnia began when Bosnia declared independence in early 1992, several months after other regions of Yugoslavia entered into war.
Date Photographed: June 14, 1993

Muslim Bosnian soldiers assist an injured friend on the eastern frontline of Bandol in the Yugoslavian Civil War. Conflict among the Croats, Serbs, and Muslims in Bosnia began when Bosnia declared independence in early 1992, several months after other regions of Yugoslavia entered into war.
Date Photographed: June 14, 1993
Location: Bandol, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://media3.corbisimages.com/CorbisIm ... 77-002.jpg


Muslim Bosnian soldiers assist an injured friend on the eastern frontline of Bandol in the Yugoslavian Civil War. Conflict among the Croats, Serbs, and Muslims in Bosnia began when Bosnia declared independence in early 1992, several months after other regions of Yugoslavia entered into war.
Date Photographed: June 14, 1993
Location: Bandol, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/Search#p=2& ... a+war+serb

A mosque in Celinac has been destroyed by the Serbian militia during the Yugoslavian Civil War. In March of 1992, Bosnia and Herzegovina declared independence from Yugoslavia, sparking a violent Serbian campaign of ethnic cleansing against non-Serb and Muslim groups.
Date Photographed: August 21, 1992
Location: Čelinac, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... aa80cef638

A young Muslim Bosnian soldier kneels behind a fence on the eastern frontline near the village of Guca Gora
Location: Near Guca Gora, Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Date Photographed: June 14, 1993

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... 3e2d899b5e

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo ... ar?popup=1
Muslim Bosnian soldiers lean against a wall with rifles, a broom, and a pickaxe on the eastern frontline near the village of Guca Gora

Izvor: http://media1.corbisimages.com/CorbisIm ... 77-011.jpg

Patients wounded in the Yugoslavian Civil War recover in a makeshift hospital set in a converted church in the Croatian enclave of Nova Bila in central Bosnia. Conflict among the Croats, Serbs, and Muslims in Bosnia began when Bosnia declared independence in early 1992, several months after other regions of Yugoslavia entered into war.
Date Photographed: June 16, 1993
Location: Nova Bila, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... ddcf1c8003

Muslim Bosnian soldiers lean against a wall with rifles, a broom, and a pickaxe on the eastern frontline near the village of Guca Gora
Date Photographed: October 14, 1993
Location: Guca Gora, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... 5a37e18873

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... 4064514c93

Croat refugees from Banja Luka shelter in a sports room in Travnik during the Yugoslavian Civil War.
Date Photographed: June 12, 1993
Location: Travnik, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... 1909181bdd

Muslim villages destroyed.
Date Photographed: August 24, 1993
Location: Nova Bila, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Izvor: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corb ... 2f43cc433e

Ko je cinio ljudstvo 7. muslimanske? Vidim iz Kaknja spominju da su imali jedan bataljon u sklopu te brigade. Je li bilo izbjeglica iz Krajine?

SkyLimit wrote:Ko je cinio ljudstvo 7. muslimanske? Vidim iz Kaknja spominju da su imali jedan bataljon u sklopu te brigade. Je li bilo izbjeglica iz Krajine?

Jezgro je bilo iz Travnika, 1 bataljon i oni su bili ustvari udarna ekipa 7 Brigade . Krajisnika je bilo, ne kao u 17 ali je bilo, sta ces, muhadziri pa su bili razbacani svuda i onda kako je gdje stigao ili gdje se osjecao najbolje tu je i ostajao, isao dalje , nije to bilo kao u profesionalnim armijama pa da si uvijek u istoj.

Kada vec spominjemo 7-u :

Cijela je Bosna jedna serdzada, a svaki grad joj mesdzid je plah.

Tespih je njezin sedma brigada, dusmanu od nje ledi se dah.

Ti iz Travnika u 7-oj se vide ovdje , kao sto sam naveo oni su bili udarna pesnica:

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SkyLimit wrote:Ko je cinio ljudstvo 7. muslimanske? Vidim iz Kaknja spominju da su imali jedan bataljon u sklopu te brigade. Je li bilo izbjeglica iz Krajine?

Bila su tri bataljona: travnički, kakanjski i zenički. Jedinica je bila manevarska, nije bila prostorno punjena, bilo je dosta izbjeglica, ali većina ljudska je bila u tom trouglu: Travnik, Zenica, Kakanj, s dosta ljudi iz tih malih regija, kako reći...

Često su mlađi vjerski nastrojeni ljudi iz drugih brigada odlazili u 7., što je ponekad, u prvoj fazi formiranja, tokom 1993. smetalo komandi korpusa i komandama tih brigada.

Ustroj 3. korpusa 1995. godine

Zona odgovornosti i linije 3. korpusa na kraju 1992., prije sukoba s HVO-om.

U periodu 1992 - jesen 1993 postoje ili se osnivaju ove brigade:


Pod direktnom komandom Korpusa:
301. (mehanizovana), Zenica
314. brdska, Zenica (iznikla iz Patriotske lige i lokalnih formacija iz sela na zeničko-travničkom potezu)
303. brdska, Zenica
I opštinski štab TO Zenica

OG Bosna
319. brdska, Žepče i Željezno Polje
318. brdska Zavidovići
I opštinski štabovi TO Žepče i Zavidovići

OG Bosanska Krajina
7. muslimanska (mada je veoma kratko bila potčinjena grupi, kasnije prelazi direktno pod komadnu Korpusa)
17. krajiška
305. brdska, iz Jajca, sjedište u Bilješevu između Zenice i Kaknja
27. (kasnija 727.), zamišljena kao motorizovana, kasnije bila brdska

OG Zapad
307. motorizovana, Bugojno
317. brdska, Gornji Vakuf
308. brdska, Novi Travnik
312. motorizovana, Travnik
306. brdska, Travnik (Mehurići)
Štabovi TO ovih općina

OG Lašva
309. brdska, Kakanj
333. brdska, Busovača
325. brdska vitez
I štabovi TO ove tri općine

U oktobru 1993. dolazi do promjena, uglavnom se TO štabovi ukidaju ili pretvara lahke brigade.

U Bugojnu nastaje 370. brdska (donjevakufska)
U Kaknju 311. lahka
Ukida se 301., od koje nastaje oklopna tenkovska četa
U decembru od štaba TO Zenica i sela oko Nemile i Topčić Polja nastaje 330. lahka
U Zavidovićima nastaje 320. brdska brigada, u novembru 1993. i djeluje do septembra naredne godine.

Nakon sukoba s HVO-om nastaje 7. korpus, na osnovi dvije operativne grupe 3. korpusa, Krajina i Zapad, a brigade umjesto 3 počinju sa 7.
17. krajiška
706. (306) – Mehurići/Han Bila
712. (312) - Travnik
705. (305) - Jajce
708. (308) – Novi Travnik
770. (370) – Bugojno/Donji Vakuf
707. (307) – Bugojno
717. (317) – Gornji Vakuf
725. (325) - Vitez
727. brdska (izbjeglice iz Krajine i jedan dio vlašićkih sela, Gluha Bukovica)
737. lahka – manevarska brigada

Na prelazu iz 94. na 95. (manje-više) formiraju se divizije dvije unutar Trećeg korpusa, kojem se pridodaje cijela bivša operativna grupa 2. korpusa 7-JUG, Tešanj-Maglaj. U međuvremenu se formiraju još neke manevarske brigade pri divizijama. Tada korpus izgleda kao na onoj shemi što sam stavio ranije.

35. divizija - Zavidovići/Kakanj/Maglaj - težište Ozren
maglajska 201. postaje 327.
zavidovićka 318. postaje 328.
kakanjska 309. postaje 329.

37. divizija Tešanj-Doboj Jug
202. garava tešanjska postaje 372.
203. "Doboj-Bosna" postaje 373.
204. teslićka postaje 374.
207. pousorska "ljuta" postaje 377.
a nastaje i manevarska 375.

Uz ove dvije dizivije formira se i manja operativna grupa OG 3-Sjever, 27. marta 1994., u koju ulaze tokom 94. i 95.: 330., 303., 314 i 319. Težište ove OG je bilo teslićko-šerićko ratište.

U zoni odgovornosti je kratkotrajno postajala tokom sukoba s HVO i 299. lahka brigada nastala od boraca sa područja Novog Šehera i teslićkih sela koji su izbjegli prema Željeznom Polju i Zenici.