Satovi

[heckler]

@BlackCaviar, ipak si 100%u pravu. Sad sam se zadao malo u istrazivanje. Izvinjavam se, nisam ni sanjao da bi Panerai imao obraza sat od 200 dolara prodavati za 5000.

[BlackCaviar]

@BlackCaviar, ipak si 100%u pravu. Sad sam se zadao malo u istrazivanje. Izvinjavam se, nisam ni sanjao da bi Panerai imao obraza sat od 200 dolara prodavati za 5000.

Izvinjenje prihvaćeno. To je otprilike ono što mene nervira kod takvih proizvođača.

Ipak, i Panerai zna nešto napraviti poput ovoga:

[heckler]

Jedina stvar sto mene od Paneraia interesuje je 6152/1



Sve nakon Egiziana mi je neinteresantno.

[anonimni clan]

@BlackCaviar, ipak si 100%u pravu. Sad sam se zadao malo u istrazivanje. Izvinjavam se, nisam ni sanjao da bi Panerai imao obraza sat od 200 dolara prodavati za 5000.

Izvinjenje prihvaćeno. To je otprilike ono što mene nervira kod takvih proizvođača.

Sad sam i ja zbunjen...........
Evo kako danas izradjuju replike...........za par stotina dolara imas Panerai,Rolex,Breitling,IWC,Louis Vuitton..........
Cak imaju i snizenja...........!?
http://www.buy-onewatch.com/Panerai/Pan ... ridge.html

[future millionaire]

Posto sam sasvim slucajno dosao u posjed ovakvog sata, moze li mi neko reci vrijedi li ovo nekih para, ne bi ga prodavao ali da bi ga nosio moram nabaviti neku koznu narukvicu i mozda promjeniti staklo.

Usput koja mi je najpovoljnija varijanta da to odradim i kod koga u Sarajevu?

http://www.chrono24.com/en/seiko/quartz ... 0&tab=pics

Zna li iko?

[BlackCaviar]

@ ma cijene su ti tu negdje kod svih urara. prošetaj malo, dosad si mogao već sat nositi na ruci.


@ o paneraiju

Pa, koliko vidim u replike stavljaju obrađene i potpisane Asian Unitase, u ovom Paneraiju je neobrađen i nepotpisan.
A i na takvom forumu da mu ne kažu da je replika...

[Ivo Lola]

novi ljubimac
festina F16488

[jadran]

Dobarrrrrr

[future millionaire]

http://www.sarajevo-x.com/svijet/region ... /111102108

[hammers]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HERC-Automati ... 3363c185a6

Sat(Herc) 40 eura. S obzirom da se bas slabo razumijem, volio bih da mi neko pomogne. Na kakvom glasu su ovi Herc satovi. Da li ovaj konkretno gore vrijedi 40 eura. Ima li nesta da bi mi vi preporučili. Uglavnom više od 100KM ne bih dao za sat, ni pod razno. Nešta solidno, da nije bas mnogo kvarljivo, jednostavno lijepo na oko. Vidim vi ovdje i po 3-4 stoje plaćate, što je meni van svake pameti. Bez uvrede.

[shin]

Yo dawgs,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-SEIKO-AUT ... 2eb88367b1

Model, SNZF17J1

misljenja

[Ivo Lola]

@hammers
ja ti za ovaj herc mogu samo reci da lijepo izgleda za te pare, o satu ne znam bas nista, ali sam siguran da ima neko ko zna, pa ces dobiti odgovor

a 3-4 stoje za sat nije nista, kad skontas da ce on raditi 5-6 godina najmanje, mozda i duze
uporedi ga sad sa patikama koje kostaju 150KM i traju jednu sezonu, jer ih moras maksimalno nosat zato sto nemas druge
sta bi reko za ljude koji daju 1000-1500 maraka sa sat, a nisu neki bogatasi, nego odvoje od plate 50 maraka i brzo se to nakupi

[Phosphorus]

...

[shin]

Bijela boja ima obicaj da pozuti, pogotovo plastika. I trendy je taj bijeli casio do jaja pa racunaj da ce i to uskoro proci. Zato bih ja bez razmisljanja uzeo crnu verziju.

[hana_montana]

Bijela boja ima obicaj da pozuti, pogotovo plastika. I trendy je taj bijeli casio do jaja pa racunaj da ce i to uskoro proci. Zato bih ja bez razmisljanja uzeo crnu verziju.

sve si u pravu al ja bih bez razmisljanja uzela bijeli

[shin]

Bijela boja ima obicaj da pozuti, pogotovo plastika. I trendy je taj bijeli casio do jaja pa racunaj da ce i to uskoro proci. Zato bih ja bez razmisljanja uzeo crnu verziju.

sve si u pravu al ja bih bez razmisljanja uzela bijeli

To je zato sto ides srcem a ne razumom

[hana_montana]

To je zato sto ides srcem a ne razumom

priznajem,zgrijesila sam..al se ne kajem

[BlackCaviar]

Sjećate se mog posta sa Panerai Brooklynn Bridge LE satom?
Panerai ponudio svima koji su kupili sat da mogu zamijeniti mehanizam preko LA ili NY prodavnica, Panerai će im staviti novi.


Evo jednog zanimljivog posta (izvinjavam se, malo je duži ali je zanimljiv )

The mysterious Panerai 318


It took me some time but I managed to find somebody who has a PAM318. I wanted to see this piece irl, I had to see it to believe it.
So thanks to the owner and thanks for having the guts to open this piece.

Let's start with a couple of pics of that good looking piece









Well, the watch itself is not mysterious but the movement is VERY strange.
I know that most Panerai collectors are not very much interested in Geneva stripes, bevelling, gold chatons, perlage, swan neck regulators and all the other thing which
we'll see on good finished movements.


Panerai is a tool watch, right ?
If you want something with a superb finishing, buy a Patek Philippe!
I agree but not 100%. The movement might not be the most important factor when buying a Panerai. Most of us buy them because of the looks, size, robustness, DNA, etc.
On the other hand, since Panerai started making inhouse movements I think we must admit that movements are important too.
Today, with 8 inhouse movements, Panerai is not anymore what it used to be. I went from a tool watch to a toolwatch manufacture.
The calibers P9000 - P3000 - P2002 - P2003 - P2004 - P2005 and P2006 are the reasons why Panerai got a lot of attention. Not only
by those who knew Panerai since years but also by other people who started to respect them because they became a manufacture.
Using ONLY modified ETA- Valjoux ébauches is the easy way but developing inhouse movements is the right thing to do if you want to get respect from all kind of watch collectors .


Anyway, not every movement has to be inhouse. In the past not 1 single was inhouse.Long ago it were ofcourse Angulus and Rolex movements but since 1993 ETA - Valjoux - Unitas was the base movement.

Here you have a list of these well known MODIFIED movements

OP I Panerai used them from 1997, base is an ETA 6497, used for the PAM000, PAM002,PAM009,PAM010,PAM055,PAM360

OP II ALso since 1997, same , base is the 6497/2, Used for the PAM005,PAM036,PAM082,PAM001,PAM003,PAM004,PAM022,PAM026,PAM056,PAM026,PAM040,PAM037,PAM061,PAM366,PAM412,PAM420,PAM413,PAM414,PAM380,



OP X Panerai used them from 2002, base is an ETA 6497, used for the PAM219,PAM112,PAM114,PAM176,PAM210,PAM231,PAM232,PAM249,PAM262,PAM116,



OP XI Panerai used them from 2002, base is an ETA 6497/2,Used for the PAM111 ,PAM113,PAM177 ,PAM183,PAM292,PAM127,PAM172,PAM217,PAM118,PAM115 ,PAM117



UNITAS 6497 : basically the same ébauche as the ones above but in the Pré-V era PAM5218-201/A ,PAM5218-201/A,PAM5218-202/A,PAM5218-203/A,PAM5218-205/A,PAM5218-207/A,PAM5218-209,PAM5218-210,PAM5218-218/A,



As you can see, this movement is still good for a HUGE part of all Panerai watches.

No problem thus far, You knew what you got when buying one of these watches. If your watch has a display back, you still can admire a good looking movement.
If it hasn't a display back, you know how it looks like because in every Panerai catalog you'll find pics of what an OPI ,OPII,OPX or OPXI stands for.
You'll see it is a Unitas which looks much better than a standard Unitas.

Now what the hell went wrong with the Panerai 318 ???
At first sight one should expect an OP II or OP XI (XI is used for the display back so an OP II would have been the right choice)

But no, the movement seems to be an OP XXIX

This is the difference : The OPII has 21,600 alternations / hour and is COSC, The OP has XXIX 18,000 alternations per hour and is not COSC.

But it is very difficult to get more info on this XXIX, ask Panerai for info and you won't get what you hoped for . Only that the OP XXIX is exclusive for the PAM318.
Yes, the PAM318 is the ONLY Panerai which ever used this mysterious OP XXIX movement.

Now, when you open the watch, you'll see why Panerai doesn't want to give too much info. As much as I love Panerai watches, this is a shame.
Show this to anybody who ever saw some Panerai movements and he'll tell you that you're scammed. Yes, he'll say you bought a fake.
Besides, I took this watch to an AD and had to convince him that this watch is indeed a genuine Panerai. If he wouldn't know me I bet he wouldn't even believe me.


Just look at it. This piece of crap can be found in several watches under 500 euro. It's a cheap completely unfinished Unitas and as far as I know it's not even the best unfinished Unitas.
These movements come in different grades and this is definitely NOT the best they could buy.

This movement has nothing that makes you think it's a Panerai, no Geneva stripes, no bevelling, NO blued screws, no perlage (under the bridges) , there's not even stamped 'Panerai' on any of the bridges
The drilled holes for screws and jewels look bad
And not all of these are just for the looks. Bevelling for example is much more than just a level finishing. bevelling limits the risk of corrosion.

Here you have some pics from the 414 movement (OP II) and the 318 movement (OP XXIX)
For those who are blind, left (u ovom slučaju, gore) is the 414 right (dolje) is the 318




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So why the hell did this disaster ever got out of the factory ? Is this an error.Was it supposed to be like this ? I can't imagine it!
I just can't imagine that a top brand like Panerai would risk it's reputation to save a few Euro's. They only made 150 of these so it can't make a big difference. Maybe they saved 15.000 euro on the whole batch
But what is 15.000 euro for a company that sells about 50.000 watches per year at an average of 5.000 (?) euro.

So I give them the benefit of the doubt and I think this was not ment to be. Maybe something went wrong in their quality check process. If this was intended they really would take a big risk because I think nobody will accept
such a thing in a watch which costed several thousands of Dollars 2 years ago.
Besides,if this was intended we would see a lot more references with this XXIX movement (why not all the pig dial boutique watches, the 41x or what about the 366 'FU' for thr Chinese market ?)
If they used this movement for only 150 watches I have a feeling something went wrong and they will never make this mistake again.

Another possible indication that the OP XXIX is a mistake is the fact that in their 'limited edition catalog 1997 - 2010' there is nothing said about the XXIX.
On the contrary, when you look at the PAM318 they talk about an OPII . Is this a mistake in their catalog or are they really ashamed for this error ?
"don't wake sleeping dog" ??? Better say nothing about the XXIX, people might ask questions





Don't worry. Everybody makes mistakes. How or why these 150 slipped through is something we'll probably never know.
But I guess all the work was done and they were ready for shipment, when somebody discovered this mistake and they decided not to start all over again but just rename it to the OP XXIX

From the perspective of a collector I think this is very interesting, I think it can become an instant collectible
Something like an 'error card' or a 'postage stamp error', well you know what I mean.
One day these pieces could become very sought after, with only 150 of them they are VERY RARE.

Maybe I should start looking for one

As a last note, to make it even more mysterious I would like to talk about conspiracy.
You know, there is an American saying ''to sell someone the Brooklyn Bridge' ..... google it's meaning and you'll be quite surprised.
Too lazy ? Here's the meaning;
sell someone the Brooklyn Bridge : to cheat someone in a business deal
American English synonyms or related words for this sense of the Brooklyn Bridge To cheat or trick someone: cheat, rip off, deceive, trick, swindle, entrap, string along, dupe, bilk, double-cross
Nooooooo, please tell me they wouldn't dare and this bridge on the back is coincidence LOL

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Znači, sat je original.

Pozdrav!

[ahuseino]

Poslije ovoga, Panerai je mrtav za mene
Da se ja ne bi pito...

[muz66]

meni odlican, vec odavno super slusa...dobio na peškeš

[Dwndler]

Sjećate se mog posta sa Panerai Brooklynn Bridge LE satom?
Panerai ponudio svima koji su kupili sat da mogu zamijeniti mehanizam preko LA ili NY prodavnica, Panerai će im staviti novi.

Priznajem, bio si u pravu
A Panerai nije ni svjestan koliko se ukakio

Evo par slika najnovijeg u mene mi Zenith-a, ovaj put Defy, a cekam jednog IWC-a sa cal. 852

[BlackCaviar]

Zenith. Na jednoj večeri kad budem morao biti elegantno obučen, mislim da ću birati između nekog klasičnog vintage Zenitha i Seiko Bell-Matica ali do toga još ima vremena
Stvarno su mi dragi.

Šta li ćeš donijeti na sljedećem GTG-u? Stalno ti dolaze novi satovi. Jesu li kod tebe još one Omege?

[sanjoNL]

Pozdrav raja
Ima li iko iskustva sa bijelim g-shock satovima, jel' bolje uzeti crni, da ne bude kasnije kajanja
Šta mislite o ovome...

http://www.gshock.com/products/index.ph ... B4DB046B0E

I da li je neko naručivao, i odakle?
Hvala.

Dobri su ovi g-shock satovi pravo, ja imam slican plavi nema mu smrti cak je dobro dihtovan nakon promjene baterije. Koristim ga samo ljeti.

Ja licno ne bih bijeli posto pali u oci jos vise nego plavi, a crni je standardno dobar. Kakav ti je ukus. Ja sam svoj kupio ovamu u nizozemskoj.

[Phosphorus]

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[Dwndler]

Zenith. Na jednoj večeri kad budem morao biti elegantno obučen, mislim da ću birati između nekog klasičnog vintage Zenitha i Seiko Bell-Matica ali do toga još ima vremena
Stvarno su mi dragi.

Šta li ćeš donijeti na sljedećem GTG-u? Stalno ti dolaze novi satovi. Jesu li kod tebe još one Omege?

Nemam pojma, pricao sam ti da sam imao mini frku pri izlazu, na aerodromu, kao imate puno satova, ovo ono. Kad sam rekao da su to stari satovi i da sam kolekcionar, nije bilo problema
Juce sam naletio na ovu Omegu Seamaster 30 http://www.timegeeks.dk/index.php?id=43 ... ails=13394, pa sam je odmah stavio na prodaju.
Omega imam uvijek, ali to ne skupljam, vec mi je to za dalje prodaje. Otisao je i jedan IWC (cal. 402), kod mene je konstantni protok satova, ne znam na koje Omege tacno mislis