Homo - Vas stav?
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- x0z0y0
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#101
Research shows that the basic template for the body
and brain of a human foetus is female in its structure.
As a result men have some redundant female features
such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which
do not function but retain the potential to produce
milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation
in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a
diseased liver failing to break down the hormones
essential for breast-feeding.
Six to eight weeks after conception, a
male foetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male
hormones called androgens which first forms the testes,and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female
format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does
not receive enough male hormone at the appropriate
time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy
may be born with a brain structure that is more
feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who
will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic
boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain
and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but
feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is
born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book
Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys
being born looking like klix and being raised as klix,
only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles
that 'appear' at puberty.
This genetic oddity was discovered in the Dominican
Republic and a study with the parents of these 'klix'
shows that their parents typically raised them as klix
and encouraged stereotypical behaviours such as
feminine dress and playing with dolls. Many of these
parents were then shocked to discover that they'd
ended up with a fully fledged son at puberty when male
hormones took over and their 'daughters' suddenly had
a penis and reverted to male appearance and typical
male behaviour patterns. This change occurred despite
all the social conditioning and social pressures for
female behaviour.
The fact that most of these 'klix' successfully lived the
rest of their lives as males highlights the point that their
social environment and upbringing had a limited
impact on their adult lives. Clearly, their biology was
the key factor in creating their behavioural patterns.
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist
Anne Moir appeared together on British television
in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex
(Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins),
Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted
what scientists have known for years - homosexuality
is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but
the environment in which we are raised plays a
lesser role in our behaviour than was previously
thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or
adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies
in their off-spring has practically no effect.
And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it)
on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals
are males.
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation
any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most
human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an
orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe
that most homosexual orientation develops in the
womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by
around age five and that it is outside the control of the
person.
ako nekoga zanima sire objasnjenje mogu postati cijelo poglavlje
and brain of a human foetus is female in its structure.
As a result men have some redundant female features
such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which
do not function but retain the potential to produce
milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation
in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a
diseased liver failing to break down the hormones
essential for breast-feeding.
Six to eight weeks after conception, a
male foetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male
hormones called androgens which first forms the testes,and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female
format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does
not receive enough male hormone at the appropriate
time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy
may be born with a brain structure that is more
feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who
will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic
boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain
and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but
feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is
born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book
Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys
being born looking like klix and being raised as klix,
only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles
that 'appear' at puberty.
This genetic oddity was discovered in the Dominican
Republic and a study with the parents of these 'klix'
shows that their parents typically raised them as klix
and encouraged stereotypical behaviours such as
feminine dress and playing with dolls. Many of these
parents were then shocked to discover that they'd
ended up with a fully fledged son at puberty when male
hormones took over and their 'daughters' suddenly had
a penis and reverted to male appearance and typical
male behaviour patterns. This change occurred despite
all the social conditioning and social pressures for
female behaviour.
The fact that most of these 'klix' successfully lived the
rest of their lives as males highlights the point that their
social environment and upbringing had a limited
impact on their adult lives. Clearly, their biology was
the key factor in creating their behavioural patterns.
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist
Anne Moir appeared together on British television
in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex
(Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins),
Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted
what scientists have known for years - homosexuality
is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but
the environment in which we are raised plays a
lesser role in our behaviour than was previously
thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or
adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies
in their off-spring has practically no effect.
And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it)
on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals
are males.
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation
any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most
human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an
orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe
that most homosexual orientation develops in the
womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by
around age five and that it is outside the control of the
person.
ako nekoga zanima sire objasnjenje mogu postati cijelo poglavlje
- x0z0y0
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#102
Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute in the
USA compared the DNA of 40 pairs of homosexual
brothers and discovered that 33 had the same genetic
markers in the X928 region of the X chromosome,
which has been determined to be the approximate
location of the gay gene. He also compared the DNA of
36 pairs of lesbian sisters but no corresponding pattern
was found. This study further shows that not only is
homosexuality mainly a condition affecting males but it
is almost certainly genetic. The likelihood of the gene
becoming penetrant appears to be largely dependent
on the presence of the testosterone hormone six to
eight weeks after conception. In addition, there is a
small chance that other factors, including social conditioning,
may activate the gene in early life, usually
before age five.
dakle, osnovni problem je misljenje pojedinaca da je homoseksualnost nesto sto se bira a ne nesto sto je urodjeno
ako bi dakle na ovaj nacin posmatrali stvari..da homoseksualci ne biraju orjentaciju kao sto covjek ne bira boju ociju , bilo bi puno vise razumjevanja u svijetu
USA compared the DNA of 40 pairs of homosexual
brothers and discovered that 33 had the same genetic
markers in the X928 region of the X chromosome,
which has been determined to be the approximate
location of the gay gene. He also compared the DNA of
36 pairs of lesbian sisters but no corresponding pattern
was found. This study further shows that not only is
homosexuality mainly a condition affecting males but it
is almost certainly genetic. The likelihood of the gene
becoming penetrant appears to be largely dependent
on the presence of the testosterone hormone six to
eight weeks after conception. In addition, there is a
small chance that other factors, including social conditioning,
may activate the gene in early life, usually
before age five.
dakle, osnovni problem je misljenje pojedinaca da je homoseksualnost nesto sto se bira a ne nesto sto je urodjeno
ako bi dakle na ovaj nacin posmatrali stvari..da homoseksualci ne biraju orjentaciju kao sto covjek ne bira boju ociju , bilo bi puno vise razumjevanja u svijetu
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#103
Takođe je i dokazano da djeca koja su odgajana od strane homoseksualaca i sama imaju daleko veću šansu da postanu homo, ne hetero! Pa ti vidi da li je baš sve tako crno/bijelo! 
- buzzer
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#104
a gdje i ko je to dokazao? link? citat? whatever...Romeo 80 wrote:Takođe je i dokazano da djeca koja su odgajana od strane homoseksualaca i sama imaju daleko veću šansu da postanu homo, ne hetero! Pa ti vidi da li je baš sve tako crno/bijelo!
znas ima masu ljudi koji vjeruju da je elvis still alive, no niko ga ne vidje
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#105
Nemam ni link, ni citat. Gledao na Oprah!buzzer wrote:a gdje i ko je to dokazao? link? citat? whatever...Romeo 80 wrote:Takođe je i dokazano da djeca koja su odgajana od strane homoseksualaca i sama imaju daleko veću šansu da postanu homo, ne hetero! Pa ti vidi da li je baš sve tako crno/bijelo!
znas ima masu ljudi koji vjeruju da je elvis still alive, no niko ga ne vidje
A i ne znam šta je tu čudno?! Pa djeca su poput spužve. Upijaju sve iz svoje okoline, pa tako i obrazac ponašanja svojih roditelja/usvajatelja! Za mene tu nema ništa čudno.
- ProS
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#106
mozemo onda opravdati i sodomiju,nije bioloska potreba i ne djeluje prirodno,ali neki ljudi od davnina prcaju
mace i zirafe
i,zasto se ne bi lijecio poremecaj transeksualnosti,mislim da je moguce ili ce biti u skorije vrijeme
a,kada nestane njih i stereotipnog homica,isceznut ce i ovi po sebi normalni homici i naci zenu koja ce nositi onaj pojas s pimpLekom i zadovoljavati i tu njihovu potrebu,jer gej ne postoji.
i,ne moze samo niko ukazati na prirodnost gejstva,samo to
i,ne dati dijete da odgaja ovome sto prca mace
slika uklonjena od strane moderatora
i,zasto se ne bi lijecio poremecaj transeksualnosti,mislim da je moguce ili ce biti u skorije vrijeme
i,ne moze samo niko ukazati na prirodnost gejstva,samo to
slika uklonjena od strane moderatora
- mrs. zurbrigen
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#107
aha... pa ako oprah kaze, onda sigurno mora biti istina... jer oprah je zakon!Romeo 80 wrote:Nemam ni link, ni citat. Gledao na Oprah!buzzer wrote:a gdje i ko je to dokazao? link? citat? whatever...Romeo 80 wrote:Takođe je i dokazano da djeca koja su odgajana od strane homoseksualaca i sama imaju daleko veću šansu da postanu homo, ne hetero! Pa ti vidi da li je baš sve tako crno/bijelo!
znas ima masu ljudi koji vjeruju da je elvis still alive, no niko ga ne vidjeMa slušao mali milion puta o tome na TV-u...
A i ne znam šta je tu čudno?! Pa djeca su poput spužve. Upijaju sve iz svoje okoline, pa tako i obrazac ponašanja svojih roditelja/usvajatelja! Za mene tu nema ništa čudno.
a i ovi ostali koji ovjde postaju neke pseudoznanstvene spoznaje - jel iko od vas promovirao u razvojnoj psihologiji?
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#109
a ti si kao naveo neke argumente ozbiljnije nego "Gledo na Oprah"....Romeo 80 wrote:Pa ti opovrgni ako imaš argumenata! Šta ću ti ja kad ti se ne sviđa ono što čuješ?!
cudno, ali neki clanovi foruma postaju najaktivniji kada se otvori ovakva tema. Izgleda da je previse licno shvataju.
- chuchumbamayumbe
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#110
A sta ustvari znaci homoseksualac?
Postoji li neka definicija?
Znamo za ono pasivni/aktivni, ali da li se sve na kraju svodi na seksualnu orijentaciju ili ima jos nesto?
Postoji li neka definicija?
Znamo za ono pasivni/aktivni, ali da li se sve na kraju svodi na seksualnu orijentaciju ili ima jos nesto?
- mrs. zurbrigen
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#113
ma jok, rekla im oprah da treba da sudjeluju u ovoj diskusiji...dinchy84 wrote:a ti si kao naveo neke argumente ozbiljnije nego "Gledo na Oprah"....Romeo 80 wrote:Pa ti opovrgni ako imaš argumenata! Šta ću ti ja kad ti se ne sviđa ono što čuješ?!
cudno, ali neki clanovi foruma postaju najaktivniji kada se otvori ovakva tema. Izgleda da je previse licno shvataju.
a kolegi romeu, procitaj post usera Compos_Sui.
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Vozdra_123
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#114
bolestan je balkan....
jel' vam sta ljudi rade?
jesu li ugrozili vas i vasu familiju?
bolje bi vam bilo da "sastavite od zemlju" svakog politicara i cetnika jer vas oni guze zadnjih 15 godina...
jel' vam sta ljudi rade?
jesu li ugrozili vas i vasu familiju?
bolje bi vam bilo da "sastavite od zemlju" svakog politicara i cetnika jer vas oni guze zadnjih 15 godina...
- ProS
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#115
ma,hajde..i ta izucavanja na stranim jezicima su nesigurna,toliko nepotrebnih i neprovjerenih izucavanja je bilo i bice,a da ne spominjem stranice tipa wikipedije,gdje se rijetko i potkrijepi tekst dokazima i cinjenicama 
i,sada kada imate tekst o izucavanjima tim,nicam smogo snage da procitam,samo dokazite da je izucavanje posve ispravno i prihvaceno od drugih naucnika i bice dobro
hajde,svejedno 
i,sada kada imate tekst o izucavanjima tim,nicam smogo snage da procitam,samo dokazite da je izucavanje posve ispravno i prihvaceno od drugih naucnika i bice dobro
- mrs. zurbrigen
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#117
a do tada je naravno puno pametnije vjerovati u neke mitove, i naravno, u ono sto oprah kaze...ProS wrote:ma,hajde..i ta izucavanja na stranim jezicima su nesigurna,toliko nepotrebnih i neprovjerenih izucavanja je bilo i bice,a da ne spominjem stranice tipa wikipedije,gdje se rijetko i potkrijepi tekst dokazima i cinjenicama
i,sada kada imate tekst o izucavanjima tim,nicam smogo snage da procitam,samo dokazite da je izucavanje posve ispravno i prihvaceno od drugih naucnika i bice dobro
hajde,svejedno
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#118
hebena dijaspora, misle da sve znajudinchy84 wrote:Jest vala, tamo na nekim stranim jezicima nama bosancima dosli soliti pamet
- mrs. zurbrigen
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#119
kako ih nije sramota...Vozdra_123 wrote:hebena dijaspora, misle da sve znajudinchy84 wrote:Jest vala, tamo na nekim stranim jezicima nama bosancima dosli soliti pamet
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#121
Fino sam napisao da sam čuo za takve analize milion puta! Hoće li mi neko vjerovati totalno mi je nebitno. Gledajte nekad dokumentarne programe umjesto što samo koprcate po Wikipediji.dinchy84 wrote:a ti si kao naveo neke argumente ozbiljnije nego "Gledo na Oprah"....Romeo 80 wrote:Pa ti opovrgni ako imaš argumenata! Šta ću ti ja kad ti se ne sviđa ono što čuješ?!
cudno, ali neki clanovi foruma postaju najaktivniji kada se otvori ovakva tema. Izgleda da je previse licno shvataju.
A ako misliš da previše lično shvatam ovakve teme (aludiraš valjda na moju seksualnu orijentaciju?) poručujem ti-proba je besplatna!
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#122
ma u pravu si, skroz, treba nekad i tv upaliti, ne moze se samo na internetu saznati sve. Ja nikad u zivotu nisam dokumentarni film pogledala, pa i ne znam sta je to
Jel Oprah dokumentarni film?
Sto se ponude tice, hvala ti, al sta ja znam, mogu se zaljubiti, pa eto ti muke ako jedno jutro skontas da hoces da budes gay

Sto se ponude tice, hvala ti, al sta ja znam, mogu se zaljubiti, pa eto ti muke ako jedno jutro skontas da hoces da budes gay
- Prozor
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#123
Govorim o bioloskim potrebama...newone wrote:Pa heteroseksualci se seksaju u vecini slucajeva radi zadovoljstva a ne da prave djecu ili da zadovolje neke egzistencijalne stvari.Kada bi se nakon svakog seksanja radjala po jedna beba i odmah sklapao brak, pa gdje bi stali svi na ovoj zemlji.Prozor wrote:Hoces reci da su vecina heteroseksualci ali se prave homo zbog navedenih stvari? Ili su samo biseksualci...?newone wrote: Homoseksualizam je u modernom svijetu cisto socioloski fenomen ili pojava. Istina je da se jedan procenat muskaraca radja sa sklonoscu prema istom spolu, ali ti takvi najcesce postaju tokom zivota transeksualci. Naravno u slobodnom drustvu gdje takvo ponasanje mogu ispoljiti a da ne budu stigmatizovani od sire drustvene zajednice. U suprotnom oni kriju svoje sklonosti i smatraju se homoseksualcima a u sustini nisu to vec transeksualci.
Homoseksualizam nastaje i u porodici recimo najcesce u slucajevima kada otac ima agresivan stav prema majci djeteta. Velike su sanse da takvo dijete postane homoseksualac. Isto tako musko dijete ako raste bez oca i samo uz majku isto ima te predispozicije. Ovo je kako nauka te stvari objasnjava.
Medjutim u kapitalizmu na Zapadu gdje je sve okrenuto novcu i samo novcu evidentan je nagli skok u broju homoseksualaca ali i lezbejki. Trka za novcem, karijerom, edukacijom, enormno velike radne obaveze na poslu i prekomjerni radni sati provedeni na poslu da bi se zaradio novac i da bi se uopste opstalo u struci, tjeraju ljude od braka, bilo kakvog ozbiljnog vezivanja, od odgoja djece i slicno. Jednostavno ljudi imaju sve manje i manje slobodnog vremena, a u takvoj situaciji nema vise mjesta za brak i za djecu. Na Zapadu brak kao institucija izumire. Ljudi su poprilicno otudjeni jedni od drugih i to je u sustini drustvo individualaca. Sa druge strane na Zapadu su prava zena podignuta na pijedestal bozanstva i to je tako i u zakonodavnom sistemu svih zemalja na Zapadu. Ovdje bukvalno zene imaju veca prava od muskaraca. Konkretno, u slucaju razvoda braka, zena dobija sve, kucu, novac, djecu,kola i jos se muz zakonski obaveze na astronomske alimentacije za djecu i izdrzavanje bivse vec supruge koja nakon razvoda i decenijama moze da da sebi slobodu da ne trazi bilo kakav posao vec da kao parazit zivi od novca kojeg joj na racun uplacuje bivsi muz.U Americi broj muskaraca koji kuburi sa ovim problemom je milionski. Mnogi rade i po dva, tri posla da finansijski izadju na kraj sa svim svojim novcanim obavezama. Ljubav je potpuno deklasirana i ogroman broj zena zloupotrebljava zakonodavstvo da bi sebi i djeci kroz brak i njegov razvod poslije obezbjedili finansijsku sigurnost. Svjesni ovoga, muskarci bjeze od braka, mnogi se svjesno opredjeljuju za homoseksualizam kao bijeg od samoce, a i oni razvedeni razocarani i u svojoj 40-toj postaju homoseksualci. Ovo nije samo problem Amerike, vec svih zapadnih zemalja. Sistem je ovdje takav da kreira ljude sklone istom spolu. Sa druge strane i zene imaju sve vise i vise problema da nadju ljubav svog zivota jer ih sve vise muskaraca uopste ne shvata ozbiljno i koriste ih po mogucnosti za one stand night, pa se i one okrecu drugim zenama.
Moje pitanje je, kakva je prirodna svrha homoseksualizma, kada ne donosi niti potomstvo niti bilo sta egzistencijelno potrebno, kao heteroseksualni sex?
Isto ti je i sa lezbejkama i homoseksualcima. Sex kao uzitak i bijeg od samoce!
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#124
nisam homofob, a niti sad bas nesto pretjerano podrzavam njihova prava...ko voli, i kako ''voli'', nek izvoli...
ono sto mene zbunjuje je ta neka vrsta furke kod danasnje omladine
curice od 16,17 godina na sva usta se hvale kako su lezbijke..
nekako vise mislim da je to furka i neki trend, nego sto zaista jeste homoseksualnost..
javno stavljanje fotki i isticanje na ovon nasem Balkanu je cisti promasaj...raja toga il nije svjesna il je svjasnea pa radi namjerno...ovdje te mogu ubiti ako si peder
zato oprez 
ono sto mene zbunjuje je ta neka vrsta furke kod danasnje omladine
javno stavljanje fotki i isticanje na ovon nasem Balkanu je cisti promasaj...raja toga il nije svjesna il je svjasnea pa radi namjerno...ovdje te mogu ubiti ako si peder

