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Sociolog wrote: 18/03/2026 13:12 Mada licno mislim, kad se bude useljavalo vise stranaca i budu dobijali pravo da glasaju i budu naseljavali juznjacke drzave, da ce od izbora 2032. znacaju dosta elektorskih glasova uzeti u Juznjackih drzavama.

Bijelackog stanovnistvo gubi vecinu vremenom
Svi se sele u juznjacke drzave. To su drzave koje primaju najvise novih stanovnika. One i drzave na Zapadu (ne na obali vec u Rockies).

Skoro sve su to bile ili su i dalje debele crvene drzave. Florida, Texas, obje Caroline, Georgia, Tennessee, ili ovamo Idaho, Montana, Arizona, Nevada, Utah.

Uglavnom se ljudi sele radi jeftinijeg zivota, rastuce ekonomije, toplije klime.

Najvise se iseljavaju iz Illinoisa, New Yorka, Californije slicno. Znam da i sa Havaja bjeze mnogi, preskupo im postalo. Govorim o net-migraciji domaceg stanovnistva.
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Nego Gandalfe i ostali koje zanima (ovo je relevantnija tema), evo par clanaka u vezi primaries-a i uticaja vanjskih lobija, prvenstveno na Demokratske izbore, u vezi predizbora u IL, NJ, TX, MI, itd. Prvenstveno govore o uticaju AIPAC-a, te crypto i AI lobija.

Odvojicu na vise postova da bude malo preglednije. Ili potrazite na linku.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/18/us/e ... aways.html
Stratton Wins and AIPAC’s Power Is Tested: 4 Illinois Takeaways

Democratic voters put Lt. Gov. Juliana Stratton on a path to the Senate, while the pro-Israel lobby notched its first major victories of the year but also faced a tough defeat.

By Shane Goldmacher
March 18, 2026


Lt. Gov. Juliana Stratton’s victory on Tuesday in the Democratic primary for Senate in Illinois put the nation on a path to having three Black women serving together in the chamber for the first time in American history.

Ms. Stratton, who received heavy financial backing from Gov. JB Pritzker, finished ahead of Representatives Raja Krishnamoorthi and Robin Kelly. The three-way Senate primary was the marquee contest on a night with an unusually large number of open-seat Democratic House primaries as the party grapples with its identity in the Trump era.

And with so many seats up for grabs, it was no surprise that special interests took a special interest in what happened.

More than $32 million in outside spending poured into four Chicago-area House contests, a tidal wave of cash led by groups tied to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the crypto sector and the artificial intelligence industry.

AIPAC and the A.I. industry wound up with split decisions. The crypto sector lost the two races where it spent roughly 90 percent of its money. And progressives failed to build momentum early in midterm primary season.

Here are four takeaways from primary night in Illinois:

Stratton is likely to make history.

Ms. Stratton’s victory showed the enduring power and sway that Mr. Pritzker — and his wallet — hold in Illinois.

A super PAC funded by the governor spent $12 million helping his No. 2, vaulting her past Mr. Krishnamoorthi, even though the congressman had spent years amassing a nearly $20 million war chest.

Ms. Stratton, 60, is now the heavy favorite to win in November, which would make her the third Black woman in the Senate, joining Senators Angela Alsobrooks of Maryland and Lisa Blunt Rochester of Delaware. Ms. Stratton would replace Senator Richard J. Durbin, who is retiring.

She was able to overcome late efforts by allies of Mr. Krishnamoorthi to split the Black vote. A super PAC funded by crypto interests, for instance, spent $10 million, including on some late ads on Black radio stations not just attacking Ms. Stratton but promoting Ms. Kelly, who is also Black and who had the backing of the Congressional Black Caucus.

The contest had turned less on ideology than on identity, and a battle over who was financing each side. Ms. Stratton campaigned on the idea of “abolish ICE” while Mr. Krishnamoorthi modulated slightly to “abolish Trump’s ICE.”

Ultimately, Ms. Stratton capitalized on a huge opportunity: The race was the lone open Senate primary this year for a deep-blue seat.

AIPAC got its first big victories of 2026 — and a tough loss.

No group dominated the political conversation before the Illinois primaries more than AIPAC.

The pro-Israel lobby disguised some of its spending through new super PACs with innocuous and unrelated names — Elect Chicago Women and Chicago Progressive Partnership — and acknowledged its quasi-hidden hand only after the results were in.

All told, AIPAC-linked groups spent roughly $20 million in four House races, winning two and losing two.

AIPAC found success supporting Melissa Bean, a moderate former House member who won a primary against Junaid Ahmed, a progressive challenger, and it also backed Donna Miller, a Cook County commissioner who prevailed in a different district. Super PACs tied to AIPAC spent $8.4 million combined on those races.

But believe it or not, AIPAC-linked groups spent even more in the races they lost, laying out the most money in Illinois’s Ninth District.

In that race, the groups spent $4.4 million to support Laura Fine, a state senator, who finished in third place. They also spent $1.4 million opposing Daniel Biss, the Evanston mayor, and $1.2 million opposing a third candidate, Kat Abughazaleh, an outspoken Israel critic. One of the AIPAC-linked groups even made a last-minute gambit to promote a fourth candidate, Bushra Amiwala, who the group said after the election was “anti-Israel,” seemingly to siphon votes from Ms. Abughazaleh.

Mr. Biss won, and addressed AIPAC directly in his victory speech. “The Ninth District is not for sale,” he said.

And in the Seventh District, AIPAC’s main super PAC spent $5 million supporting Melissa Conyears-Ervin, the city treasurer of Chicago, who lost to La Shawn K. Ford, a state representative.

The Illinois elections were especially freighted for AIPAC after the group face-planted in a New Jersey special election last month, spending heavily to stop a moderate former congressman from winning and instead winding up with a pro-Palestinian progressive nominee, Analilia Mejia.

A progressive push for House seats mostly flopped.

After that New Jersey special election and Zohran Mamdani’s victory last year in the New York City mayoral race, many progressives entered congressional primary season with dreams of flexing their political muscle and pushing the Democratic Party further to the left.

That did not happen on Tuesday in Illinois.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus’s political arm had endorsed four candidates, but only one, Mr. Biss, prevailed. Both of the candidates backed by Justice Democrats, the left-wing group that has toppled past moderate Democratic incumbents, lost. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont had endorsed two candidates. Neither won.

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, who had campaigned in Illinois, had more success. She had supported two winning candidates, Ms. Stratton and Mr. Biss, though a third candidate she had endorsed, Robert Peters, a state senator, finished a distant third in the state’s Second District.

Meanwhile, Ms. Bean’s victory sets up the likely return of a moderate former Blue Dog Democrat to the House.

The evening was far from a wipeout for the left. In addition to Mr. Biss’s victory, Ms. Abughazaleh, an outspoken progressive, finished second behind him. But the left could hardly claim the results as a mandate, or even as momentum.

Big money talked. Voters listened (sometimes).

For the A.I. industry, the crypto sector and AIPAC, the four open House races in Illinois offered a chance to not only reshape the Democratic Party heading into 2027 but also set the tone for the rest of the 2026 primaries. Collectively, the main political groups for those interests entered the year with roughly $340 million to spend.

Some candidates did everything they could to advertise that they wanted that cash, with winking posts about their devotion to the blockchain (a crypto signal) or beating China in the A.I. race (a message to A.I. super PACs).

The results on Tuesday were mixed.

The crypto sector lost two of the four open races it spent in, including the Senate primary, where the industry plunged $10 million into supporting Mr. Krishnamoorthi. The group had spent another nearly $2.5 million opposing Mr. Ford, who had backed regulations that the industry had opposed. He won his House primary anyway. The lone victory came for the candidate on whom A.I., AIPAC and crypto were all aligned in supporting: Ms. Bean.

The leading A.I. super PAC spent $1.4 million to promote the comeback attempt of Jesse Jackson Jr., who went to prison after his last stint in Congress. He lost on Tuesday. The industry spent another $1.1 million for Ms. Bean, who won.

Of course, one of the evening’s top winners was Mr. Pritzker, the billionaire governor who is one of his party’s biggest financiers nationwide and who spent heavily to try to send his lieutenant governor to the Senate.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/06/us/p ... crats.html
A Pro-Israel Group’s Move Backfires as Gaza Tensions Flare in Midterms

A surprising twist in a New Jersey primary race showed how questions about Israel continue to roil American politics in unpredictable ways.


By Jennifer Medina
Feb. 6, 2026


The country’s most powerful pro-Israel lobbying group threw its financial might against a moderate Democratic House candidate in New Jersey who is a longtime supporter of the Jewish state but has said that U.S. military aid should not be unconditional.

The move appeared to backfire.

Instead, the group, the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee, may have helped a pro-Palestinian progressive win the primary.

The group’s allied super PAC spent at least $2.3 million against former Representative Tom Malinowski, who has said that he “would not deny anything Israel needs to defend itself” but left open the possibility of placing limits on aid.

It ran negative ads against him, sending a message that it was willing to punish Democrats seen as insufficiently supportive of Israel. And with the race still uncalled on Friday, Mr. Malinowski was indeed trailing narrowly. But the candidate leading him was not one of the other moderates in the race, but an outspoken critic of Israel: Analilia Mejia, a left-leaning political organizer who has said she believed the country committed genocide in Gaza.

The outcome appeared to be a misfire by AIPAC’s super PAC, the United Democracy Project, which was flush with nearly $96 million at the start of the year, making it one of the best-funded outside groups in the country.

Many Democrats were furious at AIPAC’s intervention in the primary. Matt Bennett, the executive vice president at Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank, called the group’s advertisements targeting Mr. Malinowski “dumb and irresponsible” and suggested that the group had lost the trust of Democrats.

“I think it is going to be hard for them to recover,” he said.

Ms. Mejia’s surge in the 11-candidate primary race was an indication of how much the Democratic base has shifted away from support for Israel. It also suggested the waning influence of AIPAC, once a firmly bipartisan organization, within the Democratic Party. The group’s intervention in New Jersey, which appeared to be intended as a warning to moderates not to place conditions on support for Israel, may instead embolden critics of the country.

Across the United States, the political battle over Israel’s standing in the Democratic Party is still raging. Democratic House and Senate primary candidates are fighting over whether to accept donations from pro-Israel groups and whether the country’s actions in Gaza constituted a genocide.

In New York, supporters of the Palestinian cause have helped fuel a fierce primary battle between two Jewish House candidates who both call themselves Zionists but have taken opposing positions on the use of the term “genocide.” In Illinois, a crowded House race includes two Jewish candidates with opposing views and a Palestinian American progressive. And in Michigan, support for Israel is already playing a role in one of the Democratic Party’s most important Senate primaries.

The issue has been quieter in Republican primaries, but the party’s leaders are also wrestling over America’s longtime military and financial support for Israel.

AIPAC’s allied super PAC is eyeing more than 30 congressional races this year, said Patrick Dorton, a spokesman for the group. He called the New Jersey surprise “an anticipated possibility” and said “our focus remains on who will serve the next full term in Congress.”

“This is the beginning of a long primary season,” Mr. Dorton added. “We’re going to be very active in supporting pro-Israel candidates and opposing detractors of the U.S.-Israel relationship.”

The winner of the primary will face the Republican nominee, Joe Hathaway, the mayor of Randolph, on April 16 in a special election for the seat. The district, which once leaned Republican, was redrawn after the 2020 census and is now far safer for Democrats.

If Mr. Hathaway winds up winning the seat, the group’s warning to candidates it sees as insufficiently supportive of Israel may be seen as effective after all.

During the last two congressional elections, the AIPAC-tied super PAC spent more than $94 million to help defeat candidates it viewed as anti-Israel — a vast majority of them Democrats.

“This is a generational issue,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who frequently sparred with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel when he served as President Barack Obama’s chief of staff. At a gathering of Jewish leaders and donors late last year, Mr. Emanuel, a potential presidential candidate, warned that fewer future White House aspirants would be willing to visit Israel: “Netanyahu made Israel a political problem and turned it into a toxic entity here.”

Disputes Over a Word

A vast majority of Democrats and Republicans in Congress remain broadly supportive of Israel, approving billions of dollars in annual aid. But the Gaza war has fundamentally shifted how many Americans view their country’s relationship with Israel.

That change was on stark display earlier this year during a forum for House candidates in San Francisco. During a lightning round, the question arrived: “Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?”

Two of the top Democrats vying to replace Representative Nancy Pelosi quickly held up a green sign: “Yes.” Scott Wiener, a state senator and a co-chair of the legislative Jewish Caucus, kept his sign down, awkwardly spinning it in his hands. The crowd jeered as he declined to answer.

Days later, he posted a video on X clarifying his position.

“I’ve stopped short of calling it genocide, but I can’t anymore,” Mr. Wiener wrote. Looking into the camera, he added, “To me, the Israeli government has tried to destroy Gaza and to push Palestinians out, and that qualifies as genocide.”

Criticism poured in almost immediately. His opponents called his stance politically convenient, and Jewish groups said it was incorrect, arguing that it “lacks moral clarity.”

For years, Mr. Wiener has been a key Jewish leader in Sacramento, where he served as co-chair of the Jewish Caucus for the past half decade. After the war in Gaza began, he said, he was yelled and cursed at several times for his support for Israel. But he has also been a harsh critic of Israel’s actions in Gaza, calling them a “moral stain” and a “shanda,” Yiddish for disgrace.

After he used the term “genocide” in his video, several Jewish groups in Los Angeles called on the Jewish Caucus to demand his resignation and rescind its endorsement of his congressional campaign. While the caucus did not do so, Mr. Wiener later announced that he would step down as co-chair next month.

“For a long time, I used equivalent words because of the extreme sensitivity in the Jewish community,” he said in an interview. “Ultimately, I decided after a lot of introspection and a lot of conversations that I have already said it in other words. So I decided to name this for what it is.”

The question of whether to call Israel’s actions in Gaza a “genocide” — an idea that is intensely debated by scholars, legal experts and human rights advocates, but rejected by the Israeli government and many American Jewish leaders — has come up in other Democratic primaries.

In Michigan’s competitive three-way Democratic primary race for Senate, one candidate, Abdul El-Sayed, has pushed the term, while another, Representative Haley Stevens, has said she disagrees. The state has large numbers of Muslim and Jewish voters and has for years been a hub of Democratic infighting over Israel.

The third top candidate, Mallory McMorrow, told a local radio station that while she previously agreed that Israel had committed genocide, there had been too much emphasis on the word, which she said had become a “political purity test.”

The term is also a point of contention in the New York City House primary contest between Representative Dan Goldman and his challenger, Brad Lander, both of whom are Jewish. Mr. Lander began last year to describe Israel’s actions as a genocide, while Mr. Goldman has rejected the term.

‘A Very Sensitive Issue’

Whether or not to accept support from AIPAC has become a key dividing line among Democrats.

The group has sent fund-raising appeals for a handful of candidates in the last several months, including Laura Fine, an Illinois state senator running for the U.S. House in a suburban Chicago district that includes heavily Jewish areas such as Skokie and West Rogers Park.

Ms. Fine, who is Jewish and opposes any conditions on aid for Israel, said the Gaza war remained a “wedge issue” for many local voters.

“It’s a very sensitive issue for me personally,” she said, recalling how she left the progressive caucus that she helped create in the state legislature after the Hamas-led Oct. 7, 2023, attacks because of the caucus’s criticism of Israel.

One of her opponents, Daniel Biss, the Democratic mayor of Evanston, Ill., spent most of his childhood summers in Israel, where his grandparents settled after fleeing Europe shortly after the Holocaust.

Mr. Biss, who is also Jewish, said that his “commitment to Israel is deeply part of who I am” but that he wanted Congress to stop giving “a blank check to causing human suffering.”

The other top Democratic candidate in the race, Kat Abughazaleh, would become the second Palestinian American member of Congress if elected.

She said she had heard from young voters who tied aid to Israel to their own concerns about the cost of living, asking why “we’re spending on bombs that kill civilians rather than supporting people here.” (Ms. Abughazaleh’s campaign merchandise includes a T-shirt and sticker declaring “Let’s Beat AIPAC,” adding a four-letter word for emphasis.)

Democrats Caught in a Bind

In recent weeks, Mr. Wiener said that he had had dozens of lengthy conversations with Jewish leaders and voters, and that while many strongly disagreed with him, others privately thanked him for his remarks.

But some of his opponents accused him of shifting his stance for votes.

“It seems like a political move based off backlash and polling,” said Saikat Chakrabarti, a former chief of staff for Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York who is running against Mr. Wiener.

Mr. Wiener said he believed many Jewish Democratic elected officials were in an impossible position, singled out by both pro-Israel groups and activists on the left.

“There is absolutely a level of targeting of a Jewish candidate that goes on here,” he said. “I guess that’s human psychology — an apostate is worse than your opponent.”
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https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/07/us/p ... gress.html
How Candidates Are Using Winks and Posts to Seek Crypto and A.I. Cash

By Shane Goldmacher
March 7, 2026


The A.I. and crypto industries entered this year with nearly $250 million combined to spend on politics, and a battle plan to shape the regulatory landscape in their favor.

And candidates know it.

They are filling out industry questionnaires and writing social media posts or peppering their websites with telling phrases that echo corporate talking points — the kind of buzzwords that industry insiders can instantly recognize as signs of support.

Talk up innovation. Praise the blockchain. Hail the need for “clear” rules and regulation.

In some ways, it is an old Washington story of power, money and influence, unfolding in new ways, with new players and on new platforms.

The language can be quite niche.

Yet another Democratic House candidate in Illinois uses the very first issue on her website — listed above “lower costs & better jobs” — to point to her belief in “blockchain-based assets” (the crypto industry has spent $1.7 million opposing one of her rivals). A Republican House contender in Texas has put an “Ensuring America’s A.I. Dominance” section on his issues page, right after “Safeguard Our Constitution” (the A.I. industry spent nearly $750,000 to help him win the Republican nomination last week and avoid a runoff).

Good-government advocates are aghast at what they denounce as a public prostration for cash.

“It used to be that campaign websites would tell voters what candidates believe,” said Tiffany Muller, the president of End Citizens United, a liberal group that aims to limit the influence of money in politics. “Now they are a signaling apparatus to the wealthy special interests.”

She called it a distortion of democracy.

“These industry-aligned super PACs are now having a huge role in deciding who can run, who can compete and who can win,” Ms. Muller said, “and what they’re expecting on the back side is a return on investment.”

The candidates say they are simply communicating to voters about the crucial technologies of tomorrow.

Mr. Jackson, who went to prison after pleading guilty more than a decade ago to spending $750,000 in campaign money on personal items, said in a statement that he supported A.I. because “underserved communities must not miss another major economic shift. We’ve been left behind too many times.” Ms. Bean declined to comment.

A spokesman for Ms. Steinmann, Mike Thom, defended the prominence of A.I. and crypto on her site, calling them “two of the most consequential industries for the future.” He added, “Any campaign that IS NOT talking about these issues is not attuned with voters and the future American economy.”

‘A Deal With the Devil’

The A.I. and crypto industries are locked in pivotal fights over regulation in Washington and beyond, with billions of dollars at stake.

And they have not been shy about their intent to use their enormous political war chests to elect more allies.

The biggest pro-A.I. super PAC, Leading the Future, is funded chiefly by $25 million from the venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz and $12.5 million each from Greg Brockman, a co-founder of OpenAI, and his wife, Anna. The Brockmans and Marc Andreessen are among the biggest donors to President Trump’s super PAC, as well. The group uses different spinoff super PACs for Republicans (American Mission) and Democrats (Think Big).

“As more candidates step forward to champion this balanced, pro-innovation approach, Leading the Future will stand alongside them as a committed supporter,” Josh Vlasto and Zac Moffatt, the Democratic and Republican strategists who run Leading the Future, said in a statement.

The A.I. industry’s efforts are modeled, in part, on what the crypto industry did in 2024, when it spent lavishly in primaries and the general election for both parties. In some races, the crypto industry sought to punish candidates seen as skeptics, like Katie Porter in a California Senate race. In others, its super PACs spent heavily to send new allies to Capitol Hill.

The industries even have one key overlapping strategist: Mr. Vlasto is both a top strategist for Leading the Future and a spokesman for the crypto industry’s main super PAC, Fairshake, which started the year with $193 million.

In Texas, Fairshake has aimed to make an example of Representative Al Green, a Democrat who sits on the House Financial Services Committee and has opposed crypto priorities. An affiliated super PAC spent $1.5 million to try to elect his Democratic primary opponent, Representative Christian Menefee, who just won a neighboring seat in a special election but is running against Mr. Green because Texas redrew its congressional map last year.

Mr. Green finished behind Mr. Menefee, but with both men under 50 percent of the vote, the race will go to a runoff election in May.

Mr. Menefee has an issues page devoted to “Innovation and Emerging Technology” about both crypto and A.I. policy. “Technologies like blockchain offer the potential to increase trust, transparency, and efficiency,” it reads.

Mr. Green accused him of having “made a deal with the devil” because Mr. Menefee completed a crypto industry questionnaire in January (and received an “A” rating),

In an interview, Mr. Menefee said that he saw blockchain as a potential solution to record-keeping troubles he had seen in local government and that he was “not at all cognizant” of the crypto industry’s huge political war chest. He called himself a “local yokel.”

“When we saw the spending, we were just as surprised as anybody else,” he said.

In another race on Tuesday, the A.I. industry helped nominate a Republican who had indicated support.

Chris Gober, a lawyer running for the House who has worked for Elon Musk, includes a blurb about “AI dominance” on his website. One of the top A.I. super PACs has spent nearly $750,000 on his behalf. Mr. Gober dominated his primary, and is heavily favored to win in November.

A campaign spokesman, Bryan Piligra, said Mr. Gober “invests real time in meeting with constituents and industry stakeholders because he cares more about understanding complex issues than recycling talking points.”

The leading A.I. super PAC celebrated Mr. Gober’s victory, along with two others by Republicans, in a memo after the primaries. “Leading the Future is building the bench of AI Champions in Congress for decades to come,” it read.

‘Incredible Champions’ for an Industry

The idea of soliciting super PAC support by posting about seemingly obscure issues is not new.

Four years ago, the crypto financier Sam Bankman-Fried spent heavily on primary campaigns. He was later convicted of fraud and his cryptocurrency exchange went into bankruptcy. But at the time, he and his associates said they were directing their spending under the guise of supporting candidates who promised to prioritize pandemic preparedness.

Sure enough, many candidates began to publicly promote pandemic preparedness.

Among them was Jonathan Jackson, a brother of Jesse Jackson Jr., who was running for Congress and posted about the issue extensively just days before a super PAC funded by Mr. Bankman-Fried spent more than $500,000 on his behalf. Jonathan Jackson is now a member of Congress.

Colin McLaren, the head of government relations at the Solana Policy Institute, a nonprofit group aligned with the crypto industry, said the fact that “candidates want to develop a strong relationship with the industry” was simply “how politics has worked for quite some time.”

“We have this opportunity to use this as a door opener, but we’ve really built some incredible champions that, you know, aren’t just here for the money,” Mr. McLaren said in an interview. “They’re here because this technology matters, and because they’ve really had an awakening.”

A second A.I.-funded super PAC network has sprung up, called Public First, whose nonprofit group is backed by a rival A.I. start-up, Anthropic. Anthropic’s leadership has called for tougher regulation than much of the A.I. industry and warned of misuses of the technology.

The two A.I. groups have been at odds in a New York House race, and on Friday, the super PAC with links to Anthropic revealed that it was spending nearly $1 million opposing Mr. Jackson Jr. — essentially offsetting the super PAC with ties to OpenAI.

In another recent race, one of Public First’s affiliated super PACs spent $1.6 million to help Representative Valerie Foushee, Democrat of North Carolina, narrowly fend off a progressive primary challenger who had called for a moratorium on data centers.

Data centers and A.I. had become a point of contention in the race. The industry’s support followed Ms. Foushee’s appointment at the end of 2025 by Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, as co-chair of a new House Democratic Commission on AI and the Innovation Economy.

It is a role that made her a significant player in future industry regulation battles.

A Costly Fight in Illinois

In Jesse Jackson Jr.’s race, the A.I. industry is spending on his behalf at the same time that the main pro-crypto super PAC is blanketing the district with attacks on one of his opponents, Robert Peters, a Democratic state senator who voted for state legislation that the crypto industry opposed.

One of the mailers accuses Mr. Peters of being a “fighter for corporate interests” and calls him a “corporate pawn,” even though the mailer is funded by the crypto industry.

In an interview, Mr. Peters said the attacks were outrageous, as were Mr. Jackson’s not-so-subtle solicitations. (On his website, Mr. Jackson writes that he supports “a framework to responsibly address reasonable regulation for cryptocurrency” and he filled out a crypto industry questionnaire on Christmas Eve last year.)

“The reason you do that is because you’re desperate enough to be bought by A.I. and crypto,” Mr. Peters said, adding that he hoped the fact that major Trump donors were funding the attacks on him in a Democratic primary would backfire. “If you’re willing to sell out to A.I., you’re willing to sell out to people who have a deep relationship with the Trump administration.”
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Helem ono sto mi je interesantno je da je JB Pritzker bio veliki donor ove Stratton (koja mu je bila zamjenik). Meni je on poprilicno odbojan, bas me podsjeca na neke one debele bogatase iz nekih proslih vremena... :roll: ali uglavnom se slazem sa njegovim izjavama i ponasanjem. A cujem da ni on nije fan AIPAC-a (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2026-03 ... 9d5fac0000 )

Znam da ce gotovo sigurno i on biti kandidat za predsjednika pa eto da ga pratimo.
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Hendrix wrote: 18/03/2026 09:12 Malo je glupa ta ideja da svi zidovi imaju bogatstvo i sve dzaba od drzave. Nidje veze, gledao sam davno dokumentarac o obicnim ljudima tamo, bezze ba zive ko i svi mi dosta ih ono fukare teske. Nekakvi stanovi nikakvi, naselja uzas kako izgledaju.

Pa ima google street view, pogledas prosjecan gradic van centra Tel Aviva i vidis koliko je sati. Asfalt sjeban, nekakve stracare i zapustene zgrade. Sve pare odose na vojsku i lobiranje Amerike.
Najsiromasnije naselje u Americi je Kiryas Joel (proguglajte), gdje gotovo niko ne radi normalan posao i prosjek godina je otprilike 11. Rode 15-oro djece i hajmo. Ima ih i po NYC takvih, kao i u Izraelu (pogotovo Jeruzalem).
Jednostavno postoji cijela podgrupa ultra-religioznih koji zive od donacija bogatih jevreja. Cijeli zadatak im je da proucavaju vjerske knjige i budu izrazito pobozni, i valjda tako ovi bogati ispunjavanju svoju vjersku duznost, sta li.
I naravno kad imas gomilu mladih ultra-konzervativnih lezihljebovica koji ne znaju sta ce sa sebe da se su tu stvaraju radikali.
Vrlo slicno su radili Saudi sa svojim parama za vehabije.
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jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 14:53 Helem ono sto mi je interesantno je da je JB Pritzker bio veliki donor ove Stratton (koja mu je bila zamjenik). Meni je on poprilicno odbojan, bas me podsjeca na neke one debele bogatase iz nekih proslih vremena... :roll: ali uglavnom se slazem sa njegovim izjavama i ponasanjem. A cujem da ni on nije fan AIPAC-a (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2026-03 ... 9d5fac0000 )

Znam da ce gotovo sigurno i on biti kandidat za predsjednika pa eto da ga pratimo.
Ako se protivi AIPAC-u sigurno nece daleko dogurati.
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Static-X wrote: 18/03/2026 15:02
jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 14:53 Helem ono sto mi je interesantno je da je JB Pritzker bio veliki donor ove Stratton (koja mu je bila zamjenik). Meni je on poprilicno odbojan, bas me podsjeca na neke one debele bogatase iz nekih proslih vremena... :roll: ali uglavnom se slazem sa njegovim izjavama i ponasanjem. A cujem da ni on nije fan AIPAC-a (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2026-03 ... 9d5fac0000 )

Znam da ce gotovo sigurno i on biti kandidat za predsjednika pa eto da ga pratimo.
Ako se protivi AIPAC-u sigurno nece daleko dogurati.
Njemu ne treba AIPAC, pun je ko brod.
(Btw i sam je jevrej.)

Procitaj clanke iznad, pun kurac AIPAC-ovih kandidata je vec izgubilo, tamo gdje njihovih par miliona mnogo vise znaci.
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jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 14:59
Hendrix wrote: 18/03/2026 09:12 Malo je glupa ta ideja da svi zidovi imaju bogatstvo i sve dzaba od drzave. Nidje veze, gledao sam davno dokumentarac o obicnim ljudima tamo, bezze ba zive ko i svi mi dosta ih ono fukare teske. Nekakvi stanovi nikakvi, naselja uzas kako izgledaju.

Pa ima google street view, pogledas prosjecan gradic van centra Tel Aviva i vidis koliko je sati. Asfalt sjeban, nekakve stracare i zapustene zgrade. Sve pare odose na vojsku i lobiranje Amerike.
Najsiromasnije naselje u Americi je Kiryas Joel (proguglajte), gdje gotovo niko ne radi normalan posao i prosjek godina je otprilike 11. Rode 15-oro djece i hajmo. Ima ih i po NYC takvih, kao i u Izraelu (pogotovo Jeruzalem).
Jednostavno postoji cijela podgrupa ultra-religioznih koji zive od donacija bogatih jevreja. Cijeli zadatak im je da proucavaju vjerske knjige i budu izrazito pobozni, i valjda tako ovi bogati ispunjavanju svoju vjersku duznost, sta li.
I naravno kad imas gomilu mladih ultra-konzervativnih lezihljebovica koji ne znaju sta ce sa sebe da se su tu stvaraju radikali.
Vrlo slicno su radili Saudi sa svojim parama za vehabije.
pa najsiromasnije je upravo iz razloga sto je prosjek godina 11
imas 2 roditelja i 15 ero djece
a ovo ide per capita
ako dvoje zaradjuje 5000 to je 10000 podjeljeno na 17 ljudi
to je isto kao i 4 porodice po 1250 plate po roditelju
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tokio25 wrote: 18/03/2026 15:11
jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 14:59
Hendrix wrote: 18/03/2026 09:12 Malo je glupa ta ideja da svi zidovi imaju bogatstvo i sve dzaba od drzave. Nidje veze, gledao sam davno dokumentarac o obicnim ljudima tamo, bezze ba zive ko i svi mi dosta ih ono fukare teske. Nekakvi stanovi nikakvi, naselja uzas kako izgledaju.

Pa ima google street view, pogledas prosjecan gradic van centra Tel Aviva i vidis koliko je sati. Asfalt sjeban, nekakve stracare i zapustene zgrade. Sve pare odose na vojsku i lobiranje Amerike.
Najsiromasnije naselje u Americi je Kiryas Joel (proguglajte), gdje gotovo niko ne radi normalan posao i prosjek godina je otprilike 11. Rode 15-oro djece i hajmo. Ima ih i po NYC takvih, kao i u Izraelu (pogotovo Jeruzalem).
Jednostavno postoji cijela podgrupa ultra-religioznih koji zive od donacija bogatih jevreja. Cijeli zadatak im je da proucavaju vjerske knjige i budu izrazito pobozni, i valjda tako ovi bogati ispunjavanju svoju vjersku duznost, sta li.
I naravno kad imas gomilu mladih ultra-konzervativnih lezihljebovica koji ne znaju sta ce sa sebe da se su tu stvaraju radikali.
Vrlo slicno su radili Saudi sa svojim parama za vehabije.
pa najsiromasnije je upravo iz razloga sto je prosjek godina 11
imas 2 roditelja i 15 ero djece
a ovo ide per capita
ako dvoje zaradjuje 5000 to je 10000 podjeljeno na 17 ljudi
to je isto kao i 4 porodice po 1250 plate po roditelju
Ko god ima 5+ djece, osim ako nije milioner, je siromasan. :D
Kids make you poor sto bi reko jedan moj kolega. :skoljka:

Svejedno, vjeruj mi, u tom naselju ne zive investment bankeri i doktori. :roll: Zene uglavnom ne rade.
Svi zive na socijali.

Postoje brojni clanci problema koje prave lokalnom okrugu i susjednim gradovima.
Kazem proguglaj vise o tom naselju ako te zanima, svako malo su u vijestima. (nedavno u vezi epidemije malih boginja mescini)
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Pritzker je bukvalno sjedio u upravnom odboru AIPAC-a :D

Navodno ih se odrekao u zadnjih deset godina i okrenuo je pricu za 180 stepeni, ali je upitno koliko je to iskreno.
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jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 15:16
tokio25 wrote: 18/03/2026 15:11
jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 14:59

Najsiromasnije naselje u Americi je Kiryas Joel (proguglajte), gdje gotovo niko ne radi normalan posao i prosjek godina je otprilike 11. Rode 15-oro djece i hajmo. Ima ih i po NYC takvih, kao i u Izraelu (pogotovo Jeruzalem).
Jednostavno postoji cijela podgrupa ultra-religioznih koji zive od donacija bogatih jevreja. Cijeli zadatak im je da proucavaju vjerske knjige i budu izrazito pobozni, i valjda tako ovi bogati ispunjavanju svoju vjersku duznost, sta li.
I naravno kad imas gomilu mladih ultra-konzervativnih lezihljebovica koji ne znaju sta ce sa sebe da se su tu stvaraju radikali.
Vrlo slicno su radili Saudi sa svojim parama za vehabije.
pa najsiromasnije je upravo iz razloga sto je prosjek godina 11
imas 2 roditelja i 15 ero djece
a ovo ide per capita
ako dvoje zaradjuje 5000 to je 10000 podjeljeno na 17 ljudi
to je isto kao i 4 porodice po 1250 plate po roditelju
Ko god ima 5+ djece, osim ako nije milioner, je siromasan. :D
Kids make you poor sto bi reko jedan moj kolega. :skoljka:

Svejedno, vjeruj mi, u tom naselju ne zive investment bankeri i doktori. :roll: Zene uglavnom ne rade.
Svi zive na socijali.

Postoje brojni clanci problema koje prave lokalnom okrugu i susjednim gradovima.
Kazem proguglaj vise o tom naselju ako te zanima, svako malo su u vijestima. (nedavno u vezi epidemije malih boginja mescini)
ma iskreno me ne zanima nego govorim koliko moze ta statistika pogresno dati sliku
naravno da nisu to bogatasi neki al govorim zasto su statisticki najsiromasnije naselje
boli me briga za njih pretpostavljam da je to vise neki grad kao sjediste kulta nekog nego normalno naselje gdje mozes ti doseliti i zivjeti
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Opinion | I Predicted the 2008 Financial Crisis. What Is Coming May Be Worse.

By Richard Bookstaber

Mr. Bookstaber is the author of “A Demon of Our Own Design,” which in 2007 warned of the coming financial crisis.

At the start of the 2008 financial crisis, I was at a hedge fund. By its end, I was at the U.S. Treasury. At both, I worked with people only a few years out of college. The drama of 2008 was all they knew about financial markets. “Remember what’s happening,” I told them. “You’ll never see anything like this again.”

Now I’m not so sure. Maybe they’ll see worse.

We have returned to a period of risk, one rife with the sort of pressures that have led to major financial crises. This time, the risks are spread across industries, markets and nations: artificial intelligence, the roughly $2 trillion private credit industry, stock markets, Taiwan and now Iran. These risks are analyzed one by one, news article by news article. We understand them in isolation. Yet they are different entry points into the same underlying structure — a complex and tightly coupled system where the specific source of stress matters less than how quickly that stress can spread.

Signs of systemic strain are emerging.

Let’s start with private credit, which is already showing worrisome signs. Over the past two decades, the retreat of traditional banks after the financial crisis has left many companies increasingly reliant on borrowing from institutional investors. But these loans rarely exchange hands, leaving investors uncertain about what these instruments are really worth or how easily they could be sold if conditions deteriorate.

Now clouding the picture is the fact that many of the borrowers underpinning the lending industry are software and technology companies — the kinds of businesses whose services could be replaced by A.I.

That vulnerability is starting to worry investors. Already uneasy about the way higher interest rates are raising borrowing costs, some have begun withdrawing their money from the private credit funds of well-known companies like Blue Owl, BlackRock and Blackstone. Shares in Blue Owl have fallen sharply. And because the market has no organized exchange and information is inaccessible, investor withdrawals can trigger the kind of wholesale run that in the past turned financial stresses into full-blown crises.

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Simultaneously, the A.I. boom is driving extraordinary investment into a small group of dominant technology companies, inflating their valuations to the point that 10 stocks now account for more than a third of the S&P 500’s value. That level of concentration is unprecedented — and dangerous, because it means a shock to any one of these companies can ripple across the entire market rather than be absorbed by it.

What appear to be separate developments — a new kind of lending market and technological dislocation on one hand, stock market exuberance on the other — are in fact the same network of money and expectations, approached from different directions.

Of course, private credit isn’t only financing those companies vulnerable to A.I. It is also a critical source of financing for the infrastructure that drives A.I. — the data centers and semiconductor chips. This infrastructure is largely being built by the handful of companies like Google and Microsoft that dominate our stock market. In this tightly connected system, the weakening of private credit strains the A.I. investments of the tech Goliaths, which in turn threatens the stock portfolios, the retirements and the pensions of tens of millions of people.

In addition, the A.I. boom is placing new strains on the physical infrastructure it depends on. It drives enormous electricity consumption and has a ravenous appetite for advanced semiconductors. These carry geopolitical weight.

Take Iran. An energy shock from the conflict that raises the cost of power or constrains its supply directly affects data centers and A.I. production, raising costs for the A.I. Goliaths, which then transfer those pressures to our private credit and stock markets.

Then there’s Taiwan. If China were to invade or blockade it, America’s access to semiconductors would be severely limited. That would immediately slow deployment of A.I., weakening the companies driving the A.I. boom, with the inevitable knock-on effects.

Our current financial system fails not because any one thing goes wrong. It fails because different shocks propagate through the same structure and in ways that are hard to anticipate. When something eventually goes wrong, it spreads faster than it can be contained.

It is critical that our policymakers realize that private credit is not just a parallel risk sitting alongside the A.I. boom. A.I.’s data centers, chips and infrastructure have been built largely on private loans. Investors in those loans cannot easily sell their positions. So if there is any quake in the system and they find they need to raise cash, they will do what investors do when they can’t sell what they want to sell: They sell what they can. And what they can sell easily are the large, publicly traded technology stocks that dominate the major indexes.

This is not the first time we have built a system like this. The crisis of 2008 is often remembered as a story of homeowners gorging on excessive debt, a housing bubble fueled by speculation and millions of mortgages going bad. But the housing bubble itself was not the reason the crunch became so destructive. The accelerant that pushed the crisis to such depths was the financial system that had been constructed around the housing market. Novel and complex financial instruments obscured the risk, intertwined balance sheets across the financial system and eliminated the buffers that once absorbed shocks. When the housing market tanked, these instruments nearly took our entire financial system down with it.

This time, the danger isn’t financial engineering. It’s that our financial system has attached itself to the vulnerabilities of our physical world — power grids, water, land, supply chains — and created hazards that markets have no framework to analyze. Our models for detecting risk look at prices, volatility and correlations. They have no instruments for reading a grid failure, a drought or a severed supply chain. By the time warning signs show up in market data, the damage will already have been done.

The physical risks of Iran, Taiwan and the A.I. boom are supplanting the types of financial risks that preceded 2008. I’d take financial risk any day. Financial risk moves just prices. Physical risk moves the world.

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geralt wrote: 18/03/2026 15:17 Pritzker je bukvalno sjedio u upravnom odboru AIPAC-a :D

Navodno ih se odrekao u zadnjih deset godina i okrenuo je pricu za 180 stepeni, ali je upitno koliko je to iskreno.
Meni se on generalno cini kao oportunista. Slicno kao Newsom.
Okrece se kako vjetar puse.

Ali i to je neki pomak. Evo vidimo na primjeru predizbora u Illinoisu.
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tokio25 wrote: 18/03/2026 15:24
jeza u ledja wrote: 18/03/2026 15:16
tokio25 wrote: 18/03/2026 15:11

pa najsiromasnije je upravo iz razloga sto je prosjek godina 11
imas 2 roditelja i 15 ero djece
a ovo ide per capita
ako dvoje zaradjuje 5000 to je 10000 podjeljeno na 17 ljudi
to je isto kao i 4 porodice po 1250 plate po roditelju
Ko god ima 5+ djece, osim ako nije milioner, je siromasan. :D
Kids make you poor sto bi reko jedan moj kolega. :skoljka:

Svejedno, vjeruj mi, u tom naselju ne zive investment bankeri i doktori. :roll: Zene uglavnom ne rade.
Svi zive na socijali.

Postoje brojni clanci problema koje prave lokalnom okrugu i susjednim gradovima.
Kazem proguglaj vise o tom naselju ako te zanima, svako malo su u vijestima. (nedavno u vezi epidemije malih boginja mescini)
ma iskreno me ne zanima nego govorim koliko moze ta statistika pogresno dati sliku
naravno da nisu to bogatasi neki al govorim zasto su statisticki najsiromasnije naselje
boli me briga za njih pretpostavljam da je to vise neki grad kao sjediste kulta nekog nego normalno naselje gdje mozes ti doseliti i zivjeti
Pa jeste, ali sve je to povezano.

Najsiromasnije zemlje na svijetu po glavi stanovnika su ujedno i zemlje gdje zene radjaju najvise djece. :-?

I jeste taj grad je prakticno sjediste kulta. Nisam siguran, mislim da je vec na nekih 30-40k stanovnika. Do juce haman nije ni postojao.
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@jeza u ledja

Pratim vec dugo vremena sve gore napisano, ali da ne idemo u analizu svih izvora novca, samo cu se fokusirati na AIPAC (i ostale kroz koje AIPAC gura pare, tipa Elect Chicago Women ili Chicago Progressive Partnership i jos par drugih).

Potrosili su bruku para i dobili su pet (od 17) primaries u Illinoisu.
IL-02, IL-08, IL-10, IL-13 i IL-17. Samo za IL-09 su pljunuli preko $12M i uspjeli su zaustaviti Kat, ali nisu dobili Fine, tako da je tu kao nerjeseno.

Sve u svemu, oni slave uspjeh, ali ti garantujem da su se mnoge crvene lampice upalile. Brat Ahmed nije pobijedio (nije se ni ocekivalo), ali prave borbe tek dolaze. Nazalost, Michigan je tek u augustu, ali cemo vidjeti sta ce Malory uraditi u trci za senat i brat El-Sayed za Michigan senat. Normalno, prije toga imas NY u junu, gdje navijamo za brata Landera i ko god bude isao protiv Ritchie Torresa, ali tu ce DNC istresti pun kurac para, ne zbog AIPAC-a nego zbog Schumera i Jeffriesa. Ima dosta i drugih bitnih borbi, ja obicno odem na integrityindex.us pa tamo provjeravam situaciju, ko je ko…
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GandalfSivi wrote: 18/03/2026 16:21 @jeza u ledja

Pratim vec dugo vremena sve gore napisano, ali da ne idemo u analizu svih izvora novca, samo cu se fokusirati na AIPAC (i ostale kroz koje AIPAC gura pare, tipa Elect Chicago Women ili Chicago Progressive Partnership i jos par drugih).

Potrosili su bruku para i dobili su pet (od 17) primaries u Illinoisu.
IL-02, IL-08, IL-10, IL-13 i IL-17. Samo za IL-09 su pljunuli preko $12M i uspjeli su zaustaviti Kat, ali nisu dobili Fine, tako da je tu kao nerjeseno.

Sve u svemu, oni slave uspjeh, ali ti garantujem da su se mnoge crvene lampice upalile. Brat Ahmed nije pobijedio (nije se ni ocekivalo), ali prave borbe tek dolaze. Nazalost, Michigan je tek u augustu, ali cemo vidjeti sta ce Malory uraditi u trci za senat i brat El-Sayed za Michigan senat. Normalno, prije toga imas NY u junu, gdje navijamo za brata Landera i ko god bude isao protiv Ritchie Torresa, ali tu ce DNC istresti pun kurac para, ne zbog AIPAC-a nego zbog Schumera i Jeffriesa. Ima dosta i drugih bitnih borbi, ja obicno odem na integrityindex.us pa tamo provjeravam situaciju, ko je ko…
AIPAC je u IL-09 potrosio bruku para i kontra Bissa, ne samo te Iranke, tako da je i to def njihov poraz.

Koliko shvatih, on se smatra progresivnim kandidatom generalno.

IL-10, IL-13 i IL-17 svakako nisu bili kompetitivni.

Tako da oni u stvari u IL imaju samo 2 pobjede. Tako bar tvrdi clanak . :D


Njihov problem je sto su u fokusu. Da nisu, mnogo lakse bi mogli djelovati. Ovako je njihova podrska ili kontra haman pa centralna prica u kampanjama.
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Je li aipac ikada ovoliko bio omrazen? Je li se ilada desilo da je njihovo finansiranje kontraproduktivno za kandidate?
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Chmoljo wrote: 18/03/2026 18:34 Je li aipac ikada ovoliko bio omrazen? Je li se ilada desilo da je njihovo finansiranje kontraproduktivno za kandidate?
Pa vidis da pokusavaju da sakriju finansiranje iza nekih lijevih nevezanih PAC-ova.
Bas neki dan gledam kako su bas u vezi ove Kat u IL zvali kojekakve "influencere" da im udjele po $1,500 samo da kazu par kriticnih rijeci o njoj (krijuci se iza nekih laznih sajtova i organizacija sa genericnim imenima)

Tako da jesu omrazeni. Pocinju biti omrazeni i sa jedne i sa druge strane.
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"Kuda Trump, tud i MAGA. 90 posto ih podržava napade na Iran"

https://www.index.hr/mobile/vijesti/cla ... 72379.aspx

dok demokrate igraju kriket ili s3ru po forumima :lol:
:meza: uz čitanje ježeve kućice i ostalih basni
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Sen. Markwayne Mullin na saslusanju danas, o sebi: "I'm not going to be the smartest guy in any room I walk into". :lol: :lol: :-) :shock:

o boze...
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Maga je kult :skoljka:

Njima je trump bog :evil:
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Lome ljudi, korupcija do krova svega mi…


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QSuzi wrote: 18/03/2026 19:15 "Kuda Trump, tud i MAGA. 90 posto ih podržava napade na Iran"

https://www.index.hr/mobile/vijesti/cla ... 72379.aspx

dok demokrate igraju kriket ili s3ru po forumima :lol:
:meza: uz čitanje ježeve kućice i ostalih basni
Statistika je opet bikini ovdje.. Dojucerasnji MAGA koji ne podrzavaju rat u Iranu se vise i ne identifikuju kao MAGA, a mnogi ni kao republikanci. Tako da preostali MAGArci su naravno uz Trampa sta god da on napravi.
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