Filmsko-serijska svaštara

[Tito_i_Partija]

Nisam bio svjestan da ni ovde nije izaš'o, tek 4. Oktobra. Al' čit'o sam preliminarne recenzije od kritičara koji su dobili pristup filmu, i utisci su poprilično loši.

[statixx]

Tako se i cinilo, psihoticni mjuzikl.

[medvjed23]

Kako god, Phoenix, siguran sam, briljira. Leži mu ova uloga:

A da li ostatak ekipe prati, vidjećemo.

[statixx]

Vjerujem da je i Gaga unijela svoju dozu fatalnosti i traume. Nesto drugo nije stimalo.

[medvjed23]

A ne mora značiti da ne štima film. Kritike nisu loše. Kritike su, što bi se reklo, podijeljene:


Nije ni prvi film puno bolje prošo kod kritičara.

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/fil ... pYoLIUO9Ig

[swanfilter]

Odlican je Phoenix. Al je meni Joker sam po sebi toliko patetican da ne znam kako bi na istog gledao Ledgerov Joker.

[medvjed23]

Na početku filma jeste slab, patetičan i bezopasan. Najbolje se to vidi u sceni gdje on leži dok ga neki dječaci šutiraju, pa jedan od tih dječaka dobacuje drugom: ne boj se, ne može on ništa... Međutim, kroz film se to postepeno mijenja. Kako promiču scene, tako se u Arthuru slažu slojevi zla i ludila. I taj mrak se gomila. I gomila. I na kraju, imamo ovo:



Monstrum 1/1. Snažan i spreman da širi užasnu destrukciju. Ako ne više, onda barem jednako poremećen kao Ledgerova verzija.

Meni je taj fascinantan preobražaj glavnog lika, taj ples iz krajnosti u krajnost, jedan od razloga zašto toliko volim film Joker.

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 236019335/

[Tito_i_Partija]

Od nepotizma ne može ni penzija ostat' živa.

[medvjed23]

Nešto sa FB-a, možda izmišljeno, možda ne, al u svakom slučaju zanimljivo:


There's a wonderful true story about Roger Moore meeting a young fan in Nice airport in 1983.

Mark Haynes was seven years old when he recognized Moore as James Bond while travelling with his grandfather and asked if it was okay to get an autograph.

"As charming as you'd expect, Roger asks my name and duly signs the back of my plane ticket, a fulsome note full of best wishes," remembers Mark.

"I'm ecstatic, but as we head back to our seats, I glance down at the signature. It's hard to decipher it but it definitely doesn't say 'James Bond'. My grandad looks at it, half figures out it says 'Roger Moore' - I have absolutely no idea who that is, and my hearts sinks.

"I tell my grandad he's signed it wrong, that he's put someone else's name - so my grandad heads back to Roger Moore, holding the ticket which he's only just signed.

"I remember staying by our seats and my grandad saying: 'he says you've signed the wrong name. He says your name is James Bond.' Roger Moore's face crinkled up with realisation and he beckoned me over. When I was by his knee, he leant over, looked from side to side, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said to me, 'I have to sign my name as 'Roger Moore' because otherwise...Blofeld might find out I was here.'

"He asked me not to tell anyone that I'd just seen James Bond, and he thanked me for keeping his secret. I went back to our seats, my nerves absolutely jangling with delight. My grandad asked me if he'd signed 'James Bond.' No, I said. I'd got it wrong. I was working with James Bond now."

The story doesn't end there. It gets even better.

Years later, as a scriptwriter, Mark had the opportunity to work with Moore again. "I was working as a scriptwriter on a recording that involved UNICEF, and Roger Moore was doing a piece to camera as an ambassador. He was completely lovely and while the cameramen were setting up, I told him in passing the story of when I met him in Nice Airport. He was happy to hear it, and he had a chuckle and said: 'Well, I don't remember but I'm glad you got to meet James Bond.' So that was lovely.

"And then he did something so brilliant. After the filming, he walked past me in the corridor, heading out to his car - but as he got level, he paused, looked both ways, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said, 'Of course I remember our meeting in Nice. But I didn't say anything in there, because those cameramen - any one of them could be working for Blofeld.'

"I was as delighted at 30 as I had been at 7. What a man. What a tremendous man."

[medvjed23]

Ludilo, ludilo, ludilooo...

[no_sikiriki]

Ludilo, ludilo, ludilooo...

I? As bad as they say?

[medvjed23]

Spoiler

Show

Ako probam objektivno ocijeniti, reći ću da film nije loš. Ali nije dao raji ono što je željela.

Autorska ekipa imala je zicer. Kroz prvi film vješto i postepeno je stvorena jedna magnetična mašina za ubijanje, jedna nezaustavljiva sila zla i ludila, jedan karizmatični ubica. U drugom filmu, trebalo je samo tu mašinu pustiti da radi svoj posao, da ljude množi sa nulom. I nastupilo bi oduševljenje publike i umjerene pohvale kritike.

Ali... Autorska ekipa krenula je u drugom smjeru. Napravili su hrabar potez. Sa jednom dozom zrelosti su pristupili temi homicida. Postupili su odgovorno. I tako iznevjerili gomilu nahajcanih fanova željnih krvi. A u te i takve, priznaću, i saam spadam.

Pogledao sam dobar film. Ali nisam pogledao film kakav sam želio pogledati.

Bio sam raspoložen za ovako nešto

[medvjed23]

Ovo je više za neku temu o stripovima, al OK, može i ovdje, taman da se nadoveže na gornje postove.

Upoznajmo Jokera:

[_BataZiv_0809]

Nešto sa FB-a, možda izmišljeno, možda ne, al u svakom slučaju zanimljivo:


There's a wonderful true story about Roger Moore meeting a young fan in Nice airport in 1983.

Mark Haynes was seven years old when he recognized Moore as James Bond while travelling with his grandfather and asked if it was okay to get an autograph.

"As charming as you'd expect, Roger asks my name and duly signs the back of my plane ticket, a fulsome note full of best wishes," remembers Mark.

"I'm ecstatic, but as we head back to our seats, I glance down at the signature. It's hard to decipher it but it definitely doesn't say 'James Bond'. My grandad looks at it, half figures out it says 'Roger Moore' - I have absolutely no idea who that is, and my hearts sinks.

"I tell my grandad he's signed it wrong, that he's put someone else's name - so my grandad heads back to Roger Moore, holding the ticket which he's only just signed.

"I remember staying by our seats and my grandad saying: 'he says you've signed the wrong name. He says your name is James Bond.' Roger Moore's face crinkled up with realisation and he beckoned me over. When I was by his knee, he leant over, looked from side to side, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said to me, 'I have to sign my name as 'Roger Moore' because otherwise...Blofeld might find out I was here.'

"He asked me not to tell anyone that I'd just seen James Bond, and he thanked me for keeping his secret. I went back to our seats, my nerves absolutely jangling with delight. My grandad asked me if he'd signed 'James Bond.' No, I said. I'd got it wrong. I was working with James Bond now."

The story doesn't end there. It gets even better.

Years later, as a scriptwriter, Mark had the opportunity to work with Moore again. "I was working as a scriptwriter on a recording that involved UNICEF, and Roger Moore was doing a piece to camera as an ambassador. He was completely lovely and while the cameramen were setting up, I told him in passing the story of when I met him in Nice Airport. He was happy to hear it, and he had a chuckle and said: 'Well, I don't remember but I'm glad you got to meet James Bond.' So that was lovely.

"And then he did something so brilliant. After the filming, he walked past me in the corridor, heading out to his car - but as he got level, he paused, looked both ways, raised an eyebrow and in a hushed voice said, 'Of course I remember our meeting in Nice. But I didn't say anything in there, because those cameramen - any one of them could be working for Blofeld.'

"I was as delighted at 30 as I had been at 7. What a man. What a tremendous man."

Najjaci Bond svih vremena.
Period.

[medvjed23]

Eh, nakon što je Phoenix podbacio, nade polažemo u Keoghana.
https://screenrant.com/the-penguin-joke ... -batman-2/

Ono što je dosad pokazao igrajući ulogu Jokera djeluje obećavajuće.


Uglavnom, razlog da se nastavi živjeti je tu. Ima se šta čekati. Ima se čemu nadati.

[dale cooper]

Eh, nakon što je Phoenix podbacio, nade polažemo u Keoghana.
https://screenrant.com/the-penguin-joke ... -batman-2/

Ono što je dosad pokazao igrajući ulogu Jokera djeluje obećavajuće.


Uglavnom, razlog da se nastavi živjeti je tu. Ima se šta čekati. Ima se čemu nadati.

Wow...toliko su te film i Phoenixova izvedba razočarali?

[medvjed23]

Ma Phoenix ko Phoenix. Sjajan glumac. I drsko bi bilo reći da je njegova izvedba loša. Ali jeste osjetno ispod nivoa dostignutog u prvom filmu. Njegova gluma je, dakle, osjetno ispod. A njegov lik je duboko, duboko ispod. Nema tu ni J od Jokera - poremećenog ubice koji sije haos Gothamom. Imamo samo Arthura Flecka, slabog i bezopasnog, a i to u nekoj blijedoj, slabo razrađenoj verziji.

I OK. Nisam ja sadist. Ne mora filmski lik, da bi mi se svidio, biti serijski ubica. OK je meni pogledati i film o sasvim miroljubivom liku. Ali daj malo dubine i širine. Razvij taj lik. Daj mu neki kvalitetan dijalog ili monolog. Daj mi neki prozor u njegov um, u one ćoškove vrijedne pažnje... U nastavku Jokera, nema toga. Film je, čak i bez muzičkih dijelova, površan i razvodnjen. Kad tome dodaš i muziku, tad se stvar još više razblaži i nepotrebno razvuče...

I najveći problem: nesklad između prvog i drugog dijela. Imam dojam da su drugi dio radili ljudi koji uopšte nisu pogledali prvi dio. Prvi dio se bazira upravo na borbi između Arthura i Jokera. Na početku filma imamo Arthura, dobronamjernog momka koji se trudi živjeti i raditi pošteno. Međutim, tog i takvog Arthura svijet uporno gazi i gazi i gazi... I pod tim teretom, u toj patnji, u njemu se budi Joker. I taj Joker raste i jača. Postaje sve snažniji i snažniji i najzad pruzima potpunu kontrolu. I to je krajnja tačka prvog filma. I to bi, logično, trebala biti početna tačka drugog filma. Ali klinac. Drugi film kao da se nadovezuje, ne na kraj nego na početak prvog filma. Opet se vraćamo na priču koja je ispričana i završena. Niđe veze...

Ne ide to tako. Kad čovjek potone u mrak, ne može se tek tako odatle iščupati. I to je lijepo prepoznato u ovoj sceni iz jednog animiranog filma:


Al dobro, recimo da je moguće. Moguće je rastjerati sav onaj mrak iz Jokera i moguće je tu naći prostora za Arthura. Moguće je obrnuti proces. Kao što je u prvom filmu od Arthura napravljen Joker, tako i u drugom filmu od Jokera može biti napravljen Arthur. Ali da bi taj proces imao barem trunku uvjerljivosti, mora ići postepeno. Korak po korak. A to nije slučaj. U drugom filmu nema tog neophodnog koračanja. Ima samo skok. Sasvim neuvjerljiv i deplasiran skok od Jokera do Arthura. Niđe veze.

U jednom od gornjih postova napisao sam da film nije loš, ali da, eto, nije po mom ukusu. Međutim, što više razmišljam o filmu, sve sam skloniji mišljenju da film zaista jeste loš. Moglo je i moralo je puno bolje. Šteta.

[medvjed23]

Trent Reznor’s favourite horror movies

[Haris.ba]

Ja Dzoker 2 nisam mogao zavrsiti. A, losi Terifajer 3 sam ipak odgledao.

Nisam imao neka ocekivanja sa Dzokerom 2. Ono, svidio mi se prvi dio. Jednostavno seu po film izgubila zelja da se sazna sta bi na kraju.

[medvjed23]

Kraj je donekle zanimljiv Riješio je, kako-tako, jedan veliki upitnik koji je lebdio iznad prvog filma.

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

https://velikeprice.com/kultura/posledn ... -na-svetu/

[medvjed23]

WTF?!

[zomri]

Kladim se da ni vi ovo niste znali: pjevač industrial benda Filter iz 90tih i Robert Patrick, onaj negativac iz Terminatora 2 su rođena braća!