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In its 2006 war with Hizbollah, Israel tried to kill Hassan Nasrallah three times.


On Friday night, the Israeli military fixed those mistakes. It tracked Nasrallah to a bunker built deep below an apartment complex in south Beirut, and dropped as many as 80 bombs to make sure he was killed, according to Israeli media.

“We will reach everyone, everywhere,” bragged the pilot of the F-15i warplane that the Israeli army said dropped the lethal payload, destroying at least four residential buildings.

But the confident swagger of the Israeli military and security establishment, which has in the past few weeks delivered a steady drumbeat of devastating blows to one of its biggest regional rivals, belies an uncomfortable truth: in nearly four decades of battling Hizbollah, only recently has Israel truly turned the tide.
In its 2006 war with Hizbollah, Israel tried to kill Hassan Nasrallah three times.

One air strike missed — the leader of Hizbollah had earlier left the spot. The others failed to penetrate the concrete reinforcements of his underground bunker, according to two people familiar with the attempted assassinations.


On Friday night, the Israeli military fixed those mistakes. It tracked Nasrallah to a bunker built deep below an apartment complex in south Beirut, and dropped as many as 80 bombs to make sure he was killed, according to Israeli media.

“We will reach everyone, everywhere,” bragged the pilot of the F-15i warplane that the Israeli army said dropped the lethal payload, destroying at least four residential buildings.

But the confident swagger of the Israeli military and security establishment, which has in the past few weeks delivered a steady drumbeat of devastating blows to one of its biggest regional rivals, belies an uncomfortable truth: in nearly four decades of battling Hizbollah, only recently has Israel truly turned the tide.


These officials described a large-scale reorientation of Israel’s intelligence-gathering efforts on Hizbollah after the surprising failure of its far more powerful military to deliver a knockout blow against the militant group in 2006, or even to eliminate its senior leadership, including Nasrallah.

For the next two decades, Israel’s sophisticated signals intelligence Unit 8200, and its military intelligence directorate, called Aman, mined vast amounts of data to map out the fast-growing militia in Israel’s “northern arena”.

Miri Eisin, a former senior intelligence officer, said that required a fundamental shift in how Israel viewed Hizbollah, a Lebanese guerrilla movement that had sapped Israel’s will and endurance in the quagmire of its 18 year-long occupation of south Lebanon. For Israel that ended in 2000 in an ignominious retreat, accompanied by a significant loss of intelligence gathering.

Instead, Eisin said, Israeli intelligence widened its aperture to view the entirety of Hizbollah, looking beyond just its military wing to its political ambitions and growing connections with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and Nasrallah’s relationship with Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad




But the confident swagger of the Israeli military and security establishment, which has in the past few weeks delivered a steady drumbeat of devastating blows to one of its biggest regional rivals, belies an uncomfortable truth: in nearly four decades of battling Hizbollah, only recently has Israel truly turned the tide.
What changed, said current and former officials, is the depth and quality of the intelligence that Israel was able to lean on in the past two months, starting with the July 30 assassination of Fuad Shukr, one of Nasrallah’s right-hand men, as he visited a friend not far from Friday’s bombing site.

These officials described a large-scale reorientation of Israel’s intelligence-gathering efforts on Hizbollah after the surprising failure of its far more powerful military to deliver a knockout blow against the militant group in 2006, or even to eliminate its senior leadership, including Nasrallah.

For the next two decades, Israel’s sophisticated signals intelligence Unit 8200, and its military intelligence directorate, called Aman, mined vast amounts of data to map out the fast-growing militia in Israel’s “northern arena”.

Miri Eisin, a former senior intelligence officer, said that required a fundamental shift in how Israel viewed Hizbollah, a Lebanese guerrilla movement that had sapped Israel’s will and endurance in the quagmire of its 18 year-long occupation of south Lebanon. For Israel that ended in 2000 in an ignominious retreat, accompanied by a significant loss of intelligence gathering.

Instead, Eisin said, Israeli intelligence widened its aperture to view the entirety of Hizbollah, looking beyond just its military wing to its political ambitions and growing connections with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and Nasrallah’s relationship with Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad.



“You have to define, in that sense, exactly what you’re looking for,” she said. “That’s the biggest challenge, and if done well, it allows you to look at this in all its complexity, to look at the whole picture.”

Israeli intelligence had for nearly a decade referred to Hizbollah as a “terror army”, rather than as a terrorist group “like Osama bin Laden in a cave”, she said. It was a conceptual shift that forced Israel to study Hizbollah as closely and broadly as it had the Syrian army, for instance.

As Hizbollah grew in strength, including in 2012 deploying to Syria to help Assad quell an armed uprising against his dictatorship, it gave Israel the opportunity to take its measure. What emerged was a dense “intelligence picture” — who was in charge of Hizbollah’s operations, who was getting promoted, who was corrupt, and who had just returned from an unexplained trip.

While Hizbollah’s fighters were battle hardened in Syria’s bloody war, the militant group’s forces had grown to keep pace with the drawn-out conflict. That recruitment also left them more vulnerable to Israeli spies placing agents or looking for would-be defectors. 

“Syria was the beginning of the expansion of Hizbollah,” said Randa Slim, a programme director at the Middle East Institute in Washington. “That weakened their internal control mechanisms and opened the door for infiltration on a big level.”..

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Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
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dobar,ti? wrote: 29/09/2024 18:14 Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
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sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 18:19
dobar,ti? wrote: 29/09/2024 18:14 Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
Uvijek je bilo ljudi koji bi govorili nije bitno ko je u pravu bitno je da je jaci I snazniji. Ipak postoje ljudi sa nekim dostojanstvom koji vide sta izrael radi palestincima 75 god. Mozda su donji ali sigurno u svom duhovnom bicu zdraviji.
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ragib wrote: 29/09/2024 18:21
sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 18:19
dobar,ti? wrote: 29/09/2024 18:14 Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
Uvijek je bilo ljudi koji bi govorili nije bitno ko je u pravu bitno je da je jaci I snazniji. Ipak postoje ljudi sa nekim dostojanstvom koji vide sta izrael radi palestincima 75 god. Mozda su donji ali sigurno u svom duhovnom bicu zdraviji.
Nidje veze opet u poredjenju sa nama. I
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#2231 Re: Libanon

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Škobo Habu wrote: 29/09/2024 17:50 Sve je kristalno jasno.

Nakon što su cionisti dekapitirali Hamas, okrenuli su se dekapitizaciji Hezbollaha. Bez ikakvih kalkulacija ili ustručavanja.

Izrael na ovaj način poručuje Iranu, i ne samo toj državi, već i Turskoj ili bilo kojoj drugoj zemlji koja ima namjeru da uđe u otvoren konflikt sa cionistima - sa kim imaju posla.

Naravno, sve ove ne bi bilo moguće bez dobre obavještajne koordinacije cionista sa saveznicima. U prvom redu: Amerikancima. Interes je obostran.
Tako nekako, samo sto se ne moze reci da im je u Gazi bio cilj samo Hamas. Kao sto vidimo, mogli su ih sve pobiti, bez rusenja cijele Gaze i bez 40.000 ubijenih civila. Mogli su, ali nisu, jer ovo nije samo rat protiv Hamasa, nego cijelog stanovnistva Gaze. Cilj ih je raseliti!

Kad dodju do Egipta, da ne govorim Njemacke, vise im nikad nece biti prijetnja.
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#2232 Re: Libanon

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Na zidu lista hamas i hezbola top clanstva
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Neredi u Pakistanu...

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sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 17:32 Ljudi rjesavaju bliskoistocne teroristicke organizacije. A mi podrzavamo kontra stranu bravo mi.
U medjuvrenu u austriji pobjedjuju austrijski dodikovci jel? Kakve veze jelde, Fino fino :-)
Zato si ti tu da navijački pristupaš drugoj strani.

Valjda da izjednačiš balans.
Mora se priznati, veliki si gospodin...
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sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 18:19
dobar,ti? wrote: 29/09/2024 18:14 Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
Zbog svoje zaslijepljenosti ne bi ti skontao sta ti cojk prica ni da ti nacrta.
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#2236 Re: Libanon

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Čitalac wrote: 29/09/2024 19:50 Neredi u Pakistanu...

Sta Pakistan ima s njima ,Pakistan je primjer drzave koja gradi identitet na islamu samo( jer inace su indijci)
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Rat fundamentalista. Bukvalno je tesko pronaci stranu koju podrzavat treba. Da se moze kako desiti da svi izgube valjalo bi.
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I i Siriji slave.
Vise slavlja u susjedstvu negoli sucuti i konkretne pomoci
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#2239 Re: Libanon

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rimano wrote: 29/09/2024 20:12
sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 18:19
dobar,ti? wrote: 29/09/2024 18:14 Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
Zbog svoje zaslijepljenosti ne bi ti skontao sta ti cojk prica ni da ti nacrta.
Itekako kontam, zati opet ponavljam, neuporedivo sa nama iako se trudite da nas bacite pod taj bus
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Mene vala ovo u Gazi,podsjeca na Srebrenicu,ostavljeni od svih a ocekuju pomoc od onih,koji im o glavi rade 70 godina.
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Sta kaze ljudi rjesavaju teroristicke organizacije a mi podrzavamo kontra stranu... rece lik koji je podrzavao Nusre, Isil i ostali teroristicki sljam :lol:
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alijagoro wrote: 29/09/2024 20:44 Mene vala ovo u Gazi,podsjeca na Srebrenicu,ostavljeni od svih a ocekuju pomoc od onih,koji im o glavi rade 70 godina.
Boze sacuvaj, fuj.
Kako samo devalvirate nas zrtve
Na kraju krajeva, srebrenica je pala, a da srbija nije upoznala bol srebrenicana i osvetu.
Ako nista to je najveci moralni kapital tog kraja :-)
Ovakvi su mi gori i od svih nasih dusmana fuj.
Foe nema ba s tobom price , raj ko te je indoktriniro s nim polemisi.
Fuj
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#2243 Re: Libanon

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Sumire ti se mozda sjecas ko je ono zvao milosevica da u miru proslavi Bozic a ko je rekao u zraku ti presudimo. Kome su ono rekli de to tamo rijesite.
Ko se ono nama ponudio da pohvata ratne zlocince za dž.
Jel su ono hamas teroristi na strani ruzije koja nas kao voli pa zajedno sa pickoustim nesto dogovaraju.
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#2244 Re: Libanon

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sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 20:37
rimano wrote: 29/09/2024 20:12
sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 18:19

Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
Zbog svoje zaslijepljenosti ne bi ti skontao sta ti cojk prica ni da ti nacrta.
Itekako kontam, zati opet ponavljam, neuporedivo sa nama iako se trudite da nas bacite pod taj bus
To sto je neuporedivo ne znaci da drugi nisu nasladjivali kada su nas klali jos kad zaplati neko kao Nanic, Hajro ... sreci nikad kraja. Isto tako ti si u extazi kad ti dragi idf raznese nekog.
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a koga su to srebrenicani granatirali? i otimali i obescascivali urlanjem i neprirodni dodirima mrtve djevojke ???

ne znam kako mozete nase ratove s ovim porediti sto traje od 1947
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Cuj Srebrenica. E svasta cuti.
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Ovo je baš otišlo u niđe veze raspravu.
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80 bombi na mjesto gdje je Nasrallah ubijen.
Ok da li iko govori o tome da si nesumnjivo morao ubiti civile u tom slucaju.
Da li neko zna koja bi to bila cifra?
I kad se pogleda dvije tri decenije skrivanja bilo je pitanje dana kada bi se to moglo uciniti i desiti
A desilo se kazem na brutalan nacin
Jedan anonimni lider militantne organizacije ciji je cilj a narocito u zadnjoj godini jeste odbrana Palestinaca na njihovim ognjistima nije imao kredibilitet postovanje suprotne strane , bio je tek tacka na mapi koju je jako markirana na mapi izrahelske avijacije
I zasto se sada klanjate Izraelu i cionistima
Kao u smislu oni sada znaju da ostvare ciljeve .To sto postizu to na taj nacin da napad na protivnika i njegovog lidera znaci bacanje 80 bombi a sto neizostavno znaci bezobzirno ratno zlodjelo i nije neki big deal
Puno je otvorenih pitanha a pogazena dusa palestinskog naroda nece znaciti kraj za zlotvore
I da sta bih jos htio rwci
Recimo kakva je to furka na BI od strane muslimana da se drce sa svojim balistickim arsenalom kapacitetom kojeg je cini se IGF prilicno i devastirao u posljednjih 10 dana
Cini se da od doba ISILa i slicno taj svijet trazitu neku silu u svom krugu postoji teznja na ovaj ili onaj nacin dq islamski uspavani neobrazovani svijet predstavlja neki snazni masovni raketama opremljeni glavonja koji ce prkositi svim neprijatwljima i boriti se u njihovo ime dok ostali arapski svijet spava ili sta vec
Odakle ta teznja da li je to instalirano konstruirano ne znam
Neko je ovdje spomenuo kako Jemen nema sta da jede a ima toliko raketa
Pa pazite tako je bilo i u proslom vijeku za vrijeme hladnog rata kada je SSSR naoruzavao mnoge africke nacije i slicno
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sumirprimus wrote: 29/09/2024 18:19
dobar,ti? wrote: 29/09/2024 18:14 Dok su nas granatirali i ubijali djecu po Sarajevu, neki sumir je pisao hvale na racun ovih sto oslobadjaju jugoslaviju od talibana, islamista…
Laz, potvora!
Mi nikad nismo napadali srbiju i njihove civile ,zene i djecu!!! Nismo isti i necemo nikad ni bit.
A volio sam da smo rokali po srbiji iskreno ko ga jbe.
Nisi skontao sta ti covjek govori :roll:
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Moenx wrote: 29/09/2024 21:36 80 bombi na mjesto gdje je Nasrallah ubijen.
Ok da li iko govori o tome da si nesumnjivo morao ubiti civile u tom slucaju.
Da li neko zna koja bi to bila cifra?
I kad se pogleda dvije tri decenije skrivanja bilo je pitanje dana kada bi se to moglo uciniti i desiti
A desilo se kazem na brutalan nacin
Jedan anonimni lider militantne organizacije ciji je cilj a narocito u zadnjoj godini jeste odbrana Palestinaca na njihovim ognjistima nije imao kredibilitet postovanje suprotne strane , bio je tek tacka na mapi koju je jako markirana na mapi izrahelske avijacije
I zasto se sada klanjate Izraelu i cionistima
Kao u smislu oni sada znaju da ostvare ciljeve .To sto postizu to na taj nacin da napad na protivnika i njegovog lidera znaci bacanje 80 bombi a sto neizostavno znaci bezobzirno ratno zlodjelo i nije neki big deal
Puno je otvorenih pitanha a pogazena dusa palestinskog naroda nece znaciti kraj za zlotvore
I da sta bih jos htio rwci
Recimo kakva je to furka na BI od strane muslimana da se drce sa svojim balistickim arsenalom kapacitetom kojeg je cini se IGF prilicno i devastirao u posljednjih 10 dana
Cini se da od doba ISILa i slicno taj svijet trazitu neku silu u svom krugu postoji teznja na ovaj ili onaj nacin dq islamski uspavani neobrazovani svijet predstavlja neki snazni masovni raketama opremljeni glavonja koji ce prkositi svim neprijatwljima i boriti se u njihovo ime dok ostali arapski svijet spava ili sta vec
Odakle ta teznja da li je to instalirano konstruirano ne znam
Neko je ovdje spomenuo kako Jemen nema sta da jede a ima toliko raketa
Pa pazite tako je bilo i u proslom vijeku za vrijeme hladnog rata kada je SSSR naoruzavao mnoge africke nacije i slicno

Hamas i ovaj sto je popusio 80 komada ne brani Palestince. Ti teroristi rade samo za sebe(pogledaj im kolicinu novca koju imaju).

Zasto je Palestincima koji zive u Izraelu super(rade, postovani uzivaju u blagodetima zivota) samo ti nesretnici u gazi koji biraju hamas,fatah, hezbolah pate.

Danas je hezbolah ispalio xx raketa na naselje gdje zivi 40%muslimana
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