F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
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#33526 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Meni bi bilo draze u Williams da je otisao... ali jebi ga nemaju oni AM pare...
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#33527 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Evo svih detalja zasto nije otisao u ferrari, također sa Autosprinta:

The marriage between Newey and Ferrari was evidently not meant to be. Even the fourth attempt to have him at Maranello (perhaps the third, but not even the famous designer can say for sure) has failed, which together with the departure of technical director Enrico Cardile exacerbates the technical difficulties in which the Red is struggling. Newey had been approached by Piero Ferrari - the two had of course known each other well and for a long time, but the talks had to be started - last year at a Cavalcade, one of those rallies where history and beauty are stitched together by a parade of the most glittering Ferraris on the planet.
The president, in order to make the negotiations more concrete, had invited Newey to give him a report with all his wishes. The document had then arrived and it was not an A4 sheet, but a bridal train. There was no problem with the economic agreement (for Ferrari, 'Whatever it takes' was in force), but Newey had asked for decision-making powers that are the prerogative of the team principal to be taken away from him: these included binding consent - and therefore the right of veto - on the hiring of new engineers, the allocation of roles, and the acceptance of technical partnerships. At that point (we are now in May) Vasseur got in the way, and one can hardly blame him. Newey at any cost is just a figure of speech, because that cost may actually become unsustainable, even politically. Vasseur said no and, we repeat, he has our sympathy. On the contrary, and for that matter, the economic aspect of the Ferrari-Newey deal has never been an issue.
A evo sto je odabrao Aston Martin:The sinking of the negotiation was made to transpire with encrypted codes: at the end of May, Vasseur, questioned by the media on the possibility of closing the deal with Newey, had explained that 'the group is much more important than individuality', an already eloquent phrase to which he had then added: 'The most important thing is the stability of the team, and I am really satisfied with the current situation'. A month later, at the end of June, John Elkann, questioned on the same subject, expressed himself quite clearly: 'There are many evaluations, we must be careful. You have to find the right moment in which to do things, as happened with Hamilton'. Then a stomp on the brake with tyre flattening: 'There are so many possibilities, Newey or others, you have to assess well whether the conditions are right. You have to understand the level of motivation and the ability to create new things instead of replicating others'.
The agreement will be announced at the beginning of September, because until the end of August contractual constraints between the designer and Red Bull prevent any kind of communication that is not related to their working relationship. The famous offer that cannot be refused, made by Lawrence Stroll, has not actually been refused. On the contrary, it was, along the way during the negotiation, strengthened by requests made by the Engineer, which the Canadian tycoon felt in his gut that he had to comply with. It is a question of powers, fundamentally, in addition to the gazillions that also had their weight in the work of persuasion: one hundred million dollars for four years, it has been said, with a certain benefit of inventory since the papers will remain confidential, as is the practice.
Newey is the most successful designer ever in Formula One, the only one to have won world titles with three different teams, and we are talking Williams, McLaren, Red Bull. To succeed even with a fourth is the marvellous idea that Newey has put into his head, in the fug of his hair, on the doorstep of his sixty-sixth birthday. Cross negotiations, conducted personally or through his manager and friend Eddie Jordan, always in the most profound discretion, have also involved Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and more. Some time ago, say a couple of months, the choice fell on Aston Martin. It was Lawrence Stroll who convinced the genius with his unashamedly winning vision, not just a rumor but a very concrete business plan, accompanied by a literally billion-dollar investment that revolves around the imperative of success, and to that end he disregards parsimony.
Newey's visit to the freshly refurbished facilities at Silverstone in early June (with the order to the workers to go for an ice cream for a few hours, staying away from the HQ) gave the final boost to his reluctant conviction process. Newey has convinced himself that Stroll's medium to long-term plan to win the World Championship is solid and concrete: those who work with such determination and seriousness deserve me, he must have reasoned. Newey is also delighted by the prospect of finding people and partnerships he knows and likes again in 2026, when he will be free to work for Aston. He trusts Honda and the relationship of supplying power units to Aston Martin will be as exclusive as he likes, even more so than it is now with the Red Bull group, since there are two teams involved. For him, circumscribed working relationships are synonymous with secrecy and this, in the labyrinth that Newey has in his head, has always been an obsession. And again: Aston Martin's journey will have the economic and technical support (new synthetic petrol) of the giant Aramco.
Then there are the people. The head of everything - read managing director - will be Andy Cowell, the man already at the top of Mercedes' engine department in the hybrid era, when the German star had one of its great strengths in its power units. This suits Newey just fine, all the more so because Cowell will, from 2025, replace Martin Whitmarsh, who at McLaren in 2005 had sacked the Genius by having him escorted out by security guards. The incompatibility was irremediable and it would not have been possible to hire one while retaining the other, so in this case Stroll removed the stumbling block. Newey as super consultant finds Enrico Cardile, who has just left Ferrari: the man from Arezzo will be Chief Technical Officer, therefore at the technical summit. The two hold each other in high esteem, and Newey himself gave his approval to Cardile's recent hire, who even at Ferrari, when there was talk of bringing Adrian to Maranello, had declared himself willing to collaborate. We don't know if and how happy Newey and his former right-hand man Dan Fallows, now technical director at Aston Martin, are to be reunited. They worked together at Red Bull for seventeen years (2006-2022) with great success, and it was Newey himself who brought him with him to the drinks team, but according to the British Business F1 Magazine the two have not spoken since 2021 and could not coexist in the same team. Fallows' permanence should therefore not be taken for granted, but it will not take long to understand.
Ocekivalo se da će Ferrari sastaviti neki all star tim, ali na kraju ga izgleda Stroll sastaviBut as sensational as the announcement will be, Lawrence Stroll has no intention of stopping at Newey and is now aiming at Max Verstappen, with whom negotiations are already underway with a view to 2026. If the world champion were to be convinced (his negotiating channel with Mercedes remains open, in defiance of the Red Bull contract valid until 2028), he would find Newey, perhaps Fallows and, above all, Honda at Aston Martin. At that point, the operation would be very closely reminiscent of the unseating of the entire top management of the world champion Benetton carried out in 1995 by Jean Todt, who brought everyone to Ferrari: Michael Schumacher, Rory Byrne, Ross Brawn and other valuable engineers. An extraordinary adventure began in Maranello, like the one Stroll is trying to start today. How much more with Fernando Alonso in the team becomes a detail, and already this paradox explains a lot. Even the side issue of Lance Stroll being gently, affectionately diverted to the WEC programme in the Valkyrie hypercar. So the healthier current, the one that brings the best skills together in the best team, is unfortunately not flowing in the direction of Maranello today. Rather the opposite is the case, and to those who wonder why so many ex-Ferraristi now find themselves at Aston Martin, we can say with certainty that no, this is no coincidence. Amedeo Felisa, Roberto Fedeli, Marco Mattiacci in production, now Cardile at the technical head of the Formula One team, are there for a drawing. There is a little hand. Better said: there is a director.
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#33528 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Aston Martin je vec prethodno hapio od Ferrarija Enrica Cardilea inzinjera na aerodinamici
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... oJJ2JgAe28
Jak tim prave, Fernando trlja ruke
Newey, Cardile i Cowell..
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... oJJ2JgAe28
Jak tim prave, Fernando trlja ruke
Newey, Cardile i Cowell..
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ljubijankic
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#33530 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Ja sam ovo davno spominjao. Oscar ce od iduce sezone samarati Landa koji, da nije Britanac, bi bio vozac Haasa u najboljem slucaju.
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BiBi911
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#33531 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Sebastian se vraca u Audi 
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#33532 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
https://x.com/scarbstech/status/1824228 ... LMIdXiiOGg
Samo je pitanje koliko se dugo ovo koristilo?
(moze se povezati s kukanjem Maxa na kocnice nekoliko utrka)
Samo je pitanje koliko se dugo ovo koristilo?
(moze se povezati s kukanjem Maxa na kocnice nekoliko utrka)
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#33533 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Objasni o cemu se ovdje radiaxe22 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:08 https://x.com/scarbstech/status/1824228 ... LMIdXiiOGg
Samo je pitanje koliko se dugo ovo koristilo?
(moze se povezati s kukanjem Maxa na kocnice nekoliko utrka)
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#33534 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
"Any system or mechanism that can systematically or intentionally produce asymmetric braking torques for a given axle is prohibited.”_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:32Objasni o cemu se ovdje radiaxe22 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:08 https://x.com/scarbstech/status/1824228 ... LMIdXiiOGg
Samo je pitanje koliko se dugo ovo koristilo?
(moze se povezati s kukanjem Maxa na kocnice nekoliko utrka)
Asymmetric braking would be a very useful tool in addressing the conflict between the low-speed understeer and high-speed oversteer these cars tend to suffer from.
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#33535 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:32Objasni o cemu se ovdje radiaxe22 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:08 https://x.com/scarbstech/status/1824228 ... LMIdXiiOGg
Samo je pitanje koliko se dugo ovo koristilo?
(moze se povezati s kukanjem Maxa na kocnice nekoliko utrka)
Jednostavan Ventil da koci vanjski tocak. Bez mnogo kontrole i mogucnosti da se primjeti(jer je to kao zabranjeno).
To ti omogucava brzur otaciju sa mnogo vise kontrole. Nesto slicno kao LSD za pogon.
Mc je to imao sa dvije pedale pocetkom 2000tih, Ferrari malo poslije Softwarski, pa reno.. to je po nekom pravilu kao zabranjeno
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#33536 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Aha znaci uklonili su to i pale performanse bolida?DaysleepeR wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:35"Any system or mechanism that can systematically or intentionally produce asymmetric braking torques for a given axle is prohibited.”_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:32Objasni o cemu se ovdje radiaxe22 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:08 https://x.com/scarbstech/status/1824228 ... LMIdXiiOGg
Samo je pitanje koliko se dugo ovo koristilo?
(moze se povezati s kukanjem Maxa na kocnice nekoliko utrka)
Asymmetric braking would be a very useful tool in addressing the conflict between the low-speed understeer and high-speed oversteer these cars tend to suffer from.
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#33537 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Ima logike, ovo vjerovatno utiče na potrošnju guma_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:41Aha znaci uklonili su to i pale performanse bolida?DaysleepeR wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:35"Any system or mechanism that can systematically or intentionally produce asymmetric braking torques for a given axle is prohibited.”
Asymmetric braking would be a very useful tool in addressing the conflict between the low-speed understeer and high-speed oversteer these cars tend to suffer from.
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#33538 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Nesto slicno kao ferari kada su im otkrili da sagorijevaju ulje. Sledeca utrka jedva 12ti_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:41Aha znaci uklonili su to i pale performanse bolida?DaysleepeR wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:35"Any system or mechanism that can systematically or intentionally produce asymmetric braking torques for a given axle is prohibited.”
Asymmetric braking would be a very useful tool in addressing the conflict between the low-speed understeer and high-speed oversteer these cars tend to suffer from.
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#33539 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Jedino je merc izgleda prezivio ukidanje DAS-a pa onda opet sve pokorio 
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BiBi911
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#33540 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
.dupli sry
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#33541 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Nisam skontao ostatak ove price - opisuje sta su uradili, ali ne pise kad su ih skontali i kako?
Otkad vec ne koriste ovo?
Otkad vec ne koriste ovo?
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#33542 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Najvise utice na to, smanjuje potrosnju guma u krivinama jer mjenja silu kocenja, nije ista za oba tocka i ako mora biti.DaysleepeR wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:45Ima logike, ovo vjerovatno utiče na potrošnju guma_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:41Aha znaci uklonili su to i pale performanse bolida?DaysleepeR wrote: ↑16/08/2024 10:35
"Any system or mechanism that can systematically or intentionally produce asymmetric braking torques for a given axle is prohibited.”
Asymmetric braking would be a very useful tool in addressing the conflict between the low-speed understeer and high-speed oversteer these cars tend to suffer from.
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#33544 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Alpine confirm Jack Doohan will race for them in F1 2025
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1053784/1 ... em-f1-2025
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1053784/1 ... em-f1-2025
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#33545 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Trenutno užasno vrijeme u Zaantvortu.
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#33546 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Mclaren bi trebao biti prvi favorit, obzirom da na ovu trku dolaze sanmozda i najvecim upgrejdom dosad od 6 komponenti. Kako ce funkcionisati cemo vidjeti.
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#33547 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Izgleda da ce glavni dvoboj biti izmedju Mercedesa i Meklarena, Verstapen izjavio da Red Bull trenutno jednostavno nije konkurentan ovom dvojcu da se bori za pobjedu.
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#33548 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
kakvo je stanje sa vremenom za vikend, hoce li biti kiše
nek su poceli opet...
SATURDAY - FP3 AND QUALIFYING
Forecast: Scattered showers across the sessions.
Temperature: 20C / 68F
Chance of precipitation: 65%
SUNDAY - RACE
Forecast: Sunny intervals.
Highest temperature: 19C / 66F
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nek su poceli opet...
SATURDAY - FP3 AND QUALIFYING
Forecast: Scattered showers across the sessions.
Temperature: 20C / 68F
Chance of precipitation: 65%
SUNDAY - RACE
Forecast: Sunny intervals.
Highest temperature: 19C / 66F
Chance of precipitation: 15%
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El_comadante
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#33549 Re: F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting
Kažu sutra kiša, nedjelja sunce.

