Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

[Bossona]

[Ima Bosne_Bice Bosne]

Rat u Gazi ce proizvesti novu vjeru. Vjerovanje u atomsku bombu ce prevazici neka druga vjerovanja.

Evo, Iranci vec poceli preobracenje.

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/iran ... /231117036

[Bossona]

[sajber87]

Na kraju se može desiti da neka raketa IDF-a zaluta u neku rusku bazu u Siriji i tu bi im kraj bio.

Izrael nije u NATO-u, ne vrijedi član 5., američke su kurve i Rusi bi jedva čekali, tj. već jedva čekaju, da ih zbombaju i iskale sav svoj antiamerički i antizapadni bijes na njima (jer ipak SAD se nikad direktno ne napada).

To bi bio povod da se uključi Iran i da Kina iskoristi situaciju i zbomba Tajvan, SAD krene na Kinu, S. Koreju i Iran (jer ipak Rusija se nikad direktno ne napada), budalaš Kin Jong Raketaš krene sa atomskom i to je WW3.

Nimalo nerealan scenario.

Ti stvarno mislis da u slucaju Izraela vrijede pravila igre?

USA ce sa cijelim svijetom ratovati ako treba zbog Izraela.

Cemu sva desavanja u tom dijelu svijeta?

Zavadi, oslabi i takvim im vladaj.

Samo slabim drzavama i narodom u okruzenju mogu manipulirati ...

Ne radi se ovdje o tome da bi ameri branili izrael zbog neke ljubavi, nego sto bi stali na stranu demokratija, kao sto staju i u koreji tajvanu ukrajini itd, trenutno se u svijetu odvija sukob demokratija na jednoj strani naspram autokratija diktatura, svjesni su ameri sta se desava u gazi i ako palestinci dobiju drzavu a dobice je bice demokratska i dobice je uz pomoc amera a ne irana ili bilo koga drugog

[Bossona]

[Harllekin]

Rusija,Kina,Iran,sve sile da se skupe ne mogu napravit stete zapadnoj agresorskoj masineriji koliko je oni sami sebi prave i koliko ce ih pokopat hrpa jadni nenaoruzani civila.
Ovi ljudi ne umiru ni za sto,mijenjaju svijet.

[Bossona]

[sajber87]

Rusija,Kina,Iran,sve sile da se skupe ne mogu napravit stete zapadnoj agresorskoj masineriji koliko je oni sami sebi prave i koliko ce ih pokopat hrpa jadni nenaoruzani civila.
Ovi ljudi ne umiru ni za sto,mijenjaju svijet.

Naranjahuov rezim je zlocinacki prvo to da razjasnimo, a sada pitanje. Znas li koliko su asad i njegovi ruski sponzori i saveznici pobili arapa ugrubo tokom nedavnog rata u siriji?

[Bossona]

[Bloo]

A kad ne bude tamo a sravne sa zemljom, onda ce tvrditi da je neka druga lokacija?

Da li sadapricas kao forumas ili moderator ?

PITAM.
Kakav li je tvoj odgovor kada te to interesuje? O.o

[skrbavi-admin]

Rusija,Kina,Iran,sve sile da se skupe ne mogu napravit stete zapadnoj agresorskoj masineriji koliko je oni sami sebi prave i koliko ce ih pokopat hrpa jadni nenaoruzani civila.
Ovi ljudi ne umiru ni za sto,mijenjaju svijet.

Naranjahuov rezim je zlocinacki prvo to da razjasnimo, a sada pitanje. Znas li koliko su asad i njegovi ruski sponzori i saveznici pobili arapa ugrubo tokom nedavnog rata u siriji?

a znas li ti slucajno zasto izrael nije nikad lupo ISIS uokolo i vice versa? eto hvala

[Bloo]

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4 bebe su umrle
Hoces li provjeriti prije nego postas svoje ponjave?

[laik1981]

Samo videa i slike stradale djece stavljajte u spoilere i naglasite da se radi o djeci. Ne budem dobar po heftu posle svake te fotke.

[Idemedosumom]

Mislis onim simpatizerom hamas i ostalih terorista koji je cercila nazvao ratnim zlocincem? Zasto je onda dosao u englesku ako mu je toliko lose?

Haj što je našamar'o unholy Shmuley-a, nego je pridobio i Piers-a na svoju stranu

Doduše, mogao je izostaviti vibrator komentare

[KraljicaIzJajca]

UN je izglasao 1975godine da Cionizam kao ideja je rasizam, a 1991.godine se desilo obratno, vecina je gllasala da nije.

Drugo, tvrdnja pojedinih forumasa, da ne postoji etnicko ciscenje u Palestini, preporucujem knjige zraelskog knjizevnika Ilan Pappe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Papp%C3%A9

Hvala za preporuke knjiga dotičnog, čim prođe embargo na kupovinu knjiga do ponoći 31.12 naručim sebi.

Internal Israeli government documents have revealed the Israeli Ministry of Intelligence is recommending the forcible transfer of the entire population of Gaza to the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt. The 10-page document, which is dated October 13th, has been published in full by the Israeli news outlets Local Call and +972. The document recommends transferring all Palestinians to Egypt, then setting up a, quote, “sterile” zone of several kilometers near the border between Egypt and Gaza. In addition, the document recommends Israel then prevent the, quote, “return of the population to activities/residences near the border with Israel,” unquote.

@pici

[Bossona]

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4 bebe su umrle
Hoces li provjeriti prije nego postas svoje ponjave?

Prije 6 dana zadnji izvještaj u kojem javljaju da prijevremeno rođena djeca umiru zbog nedostatka struje i da preostalih 36 će umrijeti svakog momenta ako se hitno ne osigura struja koja je neophodna za njihovo održavanje u životu. Prošlog vikenda je umrlo troje,....

Doctors at Gaza’s biggest hospital say newborns are dying after facility goes ‘out of service’
Nov. 12, 2023

The Health Ministry said in a statement that three babies have died over the weekend, as well as more than 10 other patients. Muneer Al-Boursh, the Health Ministry’s general director, spoke about the deaths in a phone interview and confirmed that hundreds of patients were still in the hospital.

Dr. Marwan Abusada, a surgeon at the hospital who is also the head of international cooperation at the Health Ministry, said Saturday that one infant died “because we did not have electricity.” He confirmed the deaths of two more babies Sunday in a phone call.

He said 36 others were at risk: “If they stay in this condition, they are going to all die.”

The IDF said in a statement that it had placed 300 liters of fuel “for urgent medical purposes” at the entrance to the hospital, but said “Hamas prevented the hospital from receiving the fuel.” NBC News has attempted to contact Hamas sources in Lebanon for their responses.

Abusada said the hospital refused an offer of 200 liters of fuel because it was not enough — at least 10,000 liters per day would be needed to run vital parts of the hospital.

“It was just 200 liters,” he said. “What to do with 200 liters?”

Retrieving the fuel would have required venturing outside, which Abusada has said is not safe.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/babi ... rcna124786

[Bloo]

Prije 6 dana zadnji izvještaj u kojem javljaju da prijevremeno rođena djeca umiru zbog nedostatka struje i da preostalih 36 će umrijeti svakog momenta ako se hitno ne osigura struja koja je neophodna za njihovo održavanje u životu. Prošlog vikenda je umrlo troje,....

Jesi li samo glup ili bezobrazan?
U tweetu koji si objavio stoji da su SVE bene umrle. Nisu prema zadnjim informacijama.
Ne postaj mi sada procjene i vijesti odf prije 6 dana.

Još jednom i letiš trajno. Dosta sto daviš sa ponjavama od teksta bez provjere.

[Harllekin]

Rusija,Kina,Iran,sve sile da se skupe ne mogu napravit stete zapadnoj agresorskoj masineriji koliko je oni sami sebi prave i koliko ce ih pokopat hrpa jadni nenaoruzani civila.
Ovi ljudi ne umiru ni za sto,mijenjaju svijet.

Naranjahuov rezim je zlocinacki prvo to da razjasnimo, a sada pitanje. Znas li koliko su asad i njegovi ruski sponzori i saveznici pobili arapa ugrubo tokom nedavnog rata u siriji?

Ne zezaj,arapi su za zapad legalna meta decenijama,i Sirija je tu gdje jest zbog uvodjenja "zapadni vrijednosti" a bila vele dosta sredjena zemlja prije tih silni vrijednosti,nest ko Libija.
Dosta je ljudima trebalo da skontaju al ev polako im dolazi iz guzice u glavu.
Krvoloci decenijama gaze po krvi pricajuci o plemetim stvarima napokon se vidi ta plamenitost u punom sjaju.

[splinter]

Bubić

[haubica_i_to_teshka]

Dr. Gabor Maté, A Jewish Holocaust Survivor And Trauma-Informed Physician, On The Israeli-Hamas War
By Gabor Maté, MD ON OCT 17, 2023


In this reflection for Russell Brand’s podcast show, Dr Gabor Mate, Hungarian-Canadian physician and celebrated addictions and trauma-informed movement author describes his own life experience and expresses his view on the situation in Israel and Palestine. Russell says, “Many of you wanted clarity on the subject of Palestine and the current conflict. This, from Holocaust survivor Dr. Gabor Maté (on my podcast Under The Skin) is the most beautiful and powerful testimony on this subject I’ve ever heard. From someone with deep connections to the history of this situation.”


“I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Auschwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Auschwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population.

“There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent – that’s what’s called the ‘Nakba’ in Arabic; the ‘disaster’ or the ‘catastrophe’. There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel.

“I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations…and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then.

“It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

“So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an ‘outdoor prison’, which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians.

“And ‘anybody who criticises Israel is an anti-Semite’ is simply an egregious attempt to intimidate good non-Jews who are willing to stand up for what is true.”



Da dodam i ovu izjavu koju je dao prije zadnjeg teroristickog napada od strane pripadnika hamas


As a Jewish youngster growing up in Budapest, an infant survivor of the Nazi genocide, I was for years haunted by a question resounding in my brain with such force that sometimes my head would spin: “How was it possible? How could the world have let such horrors happen?”

It was a naïve question, that of a child. I know better now: such is reality. Whether in Vietnam or Rwanda or Syria, humanity stands by either complicitly or unconsciously or helplessly, as it always does. In Gaza today we find ways of justifying the bombing of hospitals, the annihilation of families at dinner, the killing of pre-adolescents playing soccer on a beach.

In Israel-Palestine the powerful party has succeeded in painting itself as the victim, while the ones being killed and maimed become the perpetrators. “They don’t care about life,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, abetted by the Obamas and Harpers of this world, “we do.” Netanyahu, you who with surgical precision slaughter innocents, the young and the old, you who have cruelly blockaded Gaza for years, starving it of necessities, you who deprive Palestinians of more and more of their land, their water, their crops, their trees — you care about life?

There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.

The Palestinians use tunnels? So did my heroes, the poorly armed fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. Unlike Israel, Palestinians lack Apache helicopters, guided drones, jet fighters with bombs, laser-guided artillery. Out of impotent defiance, they fire inept rockets, causing terror for innocent Israelis but rarely physical harm. With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.

Israel wants peace? Perhaps, but as the veteran Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has pointed out, it does not want a just peace. Occupation and creeping annexation, an inhumane blockade, the destruction of olive groves, the arbitrary imprisonment of thousands, torture, daily humiliation of civilians, house demolitions: these are not policies compatible with any desire for a just peace. In Tel Aviv Gideon Levy now moves around with a bodyguard, the price of speaking the truth.

I have visited Gaza and the West Bank. I saw multi-generational Palestinian families weeping in hospitals around the bedsides of their wounded, at the graves of their dead. These are not people who do not care about life. They are like us — Canadians, Jews, like anyone: they celebrate life, family, work, education, food, peace, joy. And they are capable of hatred, they can harbour vengeance in the hearts, just like we can.

One could debate details, historical and current, back and forth. Since my days as a young Zionist and, later, as a member of Jews for a Just Peace, I have often done so. I used to believe that if people knew the facts, they would open to the truth. That, too, was naïve. This issue is far too charged with emotion. As the spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle has pointed out, the accumulated mutual pain in the Middle East is so acute, “a significant part of the population finds itself forced to act it out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.”

“People’s leaders have been misleaders, so they that are led have been confused,” in the words of the prophet Jeremiah. The voices of justice and sanity are not heeded. Netanyahu has his reasons. Harper and Obama have theirs.

And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.

A few days ago I met with one of my dearest friends, a comrade from Zionist days and now professor emeritus at an Israeli university. We spoke of everything but the daily savagery depicted on our TV screens. We both feared the rancour that would arise.

But, I want to say to my friend, can we not be sad together at what that beautiful old dream of Jewish redemption has come to? Can we not grieve the death of innocents? I am sad these days. Can we not at least mourn together?



This piece originally appeared as an Opinion in the Toronto Star (July 22).





Gabor Maté, MD
A renowned speaker, and bestselling author, Dr. Gabor Maté is highly sought after for his expertise on a range of topics including addiction, stress and childhood development.

p,s, nadam se da ce "uvazene kolege forumski strucnjaci za sve i svasta" uzeti u obzir i ove dvije izjave.
unaprijed se zahvaljujem na izdvojenom vremenu!

[Ima Bosne_Bice Bosne]

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Dr. Gabor Maté, A Jewish Holocaust Survivor And Trauma-Informed Physician, On The Israeli-Hamas War
By Gabor Maté, MD ON OCT 17, 2023


In this reflection for Russell Brand’s podcast show, Dr Gabor Mate, Hungarian-Canadian physician and celebrated addictions and trauma-informed movement author describes his own life experience and expresses his view on the situation in Israel and Palestine. Russell says, “Many of you wanted clarity on the subject of Palestine and the current conflict. This, from Holocaust survivor Dr. Gabor Maté (on my podcast Under The Skin) is the most beautiful and powerful testimony on this subject I’ve ever heard. From someone with deep connections to the history of this situation.”


“I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Auschwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Auschwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population.

“There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent – that’s what’s called the ‘Nakba’ in Arabic; the ‘disaster’ or the ‘catastrophe’. There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel.

“I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations…and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then.

“It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

“So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an ‘outdoor prison’, which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians.

“And ‘anybody who criticises Israel is an anti-Semite’ is simply an egregious attempt to intimidate good non-Jews who are willing to stand up for what is true.”



Da dodam i ovu izjavu koju je dao prije zadnjeg teroristickog napada od strane pripadnika hamas


As a Jewish youngster growing up in Budapest, an infant survivor of the Nazi genocide, I was for years haunted by a question resounding in my brain with such force that sometimes my head would spin: “How was it possible? How could the world have let such horrors happen?”

It was a naïve question, that of a child. I know better now: such is reality. Whether in Vietnam or Rwanda or Syria, humanity stands by either complicitly or unconsciously or helplessly, as it always does. In Gaza today we find ways of justifying the bombing of hospitals, the annihilation of families at dinner, the killing of pre-adolescents playing soccer on a beach.

In Israel-Palestine the powerful party has succeeded in painting itself as the victim, while the ones being killed and maimed become the perpetrators. “They don’t care about life,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, abetted by the Obamas and Harpers of this world, “we do.” Netanyahu, you who with surgical precision slaughter innocents, the young and the old, you who have cruelly blockaded Gaza for years, starving it of necessities, you who deprive Palestinians of more and more of their land, their water, their crops, their trees — you care about life?

There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.

The Palestinians use tunnels? So did my heroes, the poorly armed fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. Unlike Israel, Palestinians lack Apache helicopters, guided drones, jet fighters with bombs, laser-guided artillery. Out of impotent defiance, they fire inept rockets, causing terror for innocent Israelis but rarely physical harm. With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.

Israel wants peace? Perhaps, but as the veteran Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has pointed out, it does not want a just peace. Occupation and creeping annexation, an inhumane blockade, the destruction of olive groves, the arbitrary imprisonment of thousands, torture, daily humiliation of civilians, house demolitions: these are not policies compatible with any desire for a just peace. In Tel Aviv Gideon Levy now moves around with a bodyguard, the price of speaking the truth.

I have visited Gaza and the West Bank. I saw multi-generational Palestinian families weeping in hospitals around the bedsides of their wounded, at the graves of their dead. These are not people who do not care about life. They are like us — Canadians, Jews, like anyone: they celebrate life, family, work, education, food, peace, joy. And they are capable of hatred, they can harbour vengeance in the hearts, just like we can.

One could debate details, historical and current, back and forth. Since my days as a young Zionist and, later, as a member of Jews for a Just Peace, I have often done so. I used to believe that if people knew the facts, they would open to the truth. That, too, was naïve. This issue is far too charged with emotion. As the spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle has pointed out, the accumulated mutual pain in the Middle East is so acute, “a significant part of the population finds itself forced to act it out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.”

“People’s leaders have been misleaders, so they that are led have been confused,” in the words of the prophet Jeremiah. The voices of justice and sanity are not heeded. Netanyahu has his reasons. Harper and Obama have theirs.

And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.

A few days ago I met with one of my dearest friends, a comrade from Zionist days and now professor emeritus at an Israeli university. We spoke of everything but the daily savagery depicted on our TV screens. We both feared the rancour that would arise.

But, I want to say to my friend, can we not be sad together at what that beautiful old dream of Jewish redemption has come to? Can we not grieve the death of innocents? I am sad these days. Can we not at least mourn together?



This piece originally appeared as an Opinion in the Toronto Star (July 22).





Gabor Maté, MD
A renowned speaker, and bestselling author, Dr. Gabor Maté is highly sought after for his expertise on a range of topics including addiction, stress and childhood development.

p,s, nadam se da ce "uvazene kolege forumski strucnjaci za sve i svasta" uzeti u obzir i ove dvije izjave.
unaprijed se zahvaljujem na izdvojenom vremenu!

[apsidejzi]

Btw, ako ko nije upratio Owena Jonesa, toplo preporucujem. Lik je jedan od najjacih, najobrazovanijih i najelokvalentnijih propastelinskih glasova. Evo ga ovdje kod budale Morgana (mada je i on otvorio platformu za mnogo propalestinskih glasova, ukljucujuci genijalnog Bassem Youssefa), ali ima i neke druga genijalna gostovanja…


Edit: Sta se desava sa YT? U zadnje vrijeme me pravo jebe da ga ubacim u post, prvo preko telefona, sada i preko compa...

Kad uzmes argumente i jednog i drugog dodjes do logickog zakljucka kojeg ja ovdje cijelo vrijeme promovisem: obe strane cine genocid onoliko koliko mogu. Nas problem je sto navijamo za jednu stranu i onda umanjujemo genocidne namjere te strane a uvelicavamo onu drugu stranu. Hamas zeli da Izraela nestane i 7/10 su ubili koga su mogli. Broj je nebitan. Da su dosli do vise ljudi, broj bi bio veci. Da su zaustavljeni ranije, broj bi bio manji. Isto tako, Izrael bi iste sekunde izbacio palestince da moze. Cak bi ih i pobio. Jedini razlog zasto to ne rade je strah od svjetske reakcije. Ali zato ubacuju zlocine tamo gdje se moze ubaciti a da ne izgleda kao otvoreni genocid. Doduse, i Hamas im pomaze u tome sakrivajuci se iza mjesta gdje se ljudi skupljaju.

[smijesni_ste]

Kad uzmes argumente i jednog i drugog dodjes do logickog zakljucka kojeg ja ovdje cijelo vrijeme promovisem: obe strane cine genocid onoliko koliko mogu. Nas problem je sto navijamo za jednu stranu i onda umanjujemo genocidne namjere te strane a uvelicavamo onu drugu stranu. Hamas zeli da Izraela nestane i 7/10 su ubili koga su mogli. Broj je nebitan. Da su dosli do vise ljudi, broj bi bio veci. Da su zaustavljeni ranije, broj bi bio manji. Isto tako, Izrael bi iste sekunde izbacio palestince da moze. Cak bi ih i pobio. Jedini razlog zasto to ne rade je strah od svjetske reakcije. Ali zato ubacuju zlocine tamo gdje se moze ubaciti a da ne izgleda kao otvoreni genocid. Doduse, i Hamas im pomaze u tome sakrivajuci se iza mjesta gdje se ljudi skupljaju.

Inače, ovaj Owen je gay. Treba mu neko reći kako bi se kao takav proveo u Gazi nevezano za Izrael

[caros]

Ako si gay, trebaš sa radošću gledati snimke bombardovanja i mrtvih, dobra logika, kao i svaki tvoj post na ovoj temi. Sve nešto okolo-kole, budi bolan direktan, forum je, neće te niko.

[caros]

Hannibal Directive je bio u punoj pari, samo to nikada neće javno priznati, koliko li je kolaterala bilo je vjerovatno zanimljivo pitanje.



Izađu na CNN i javno pričaju ove stvari. Bilo bi dobro da ga je neko pitao da li je kompletan Izrael onda IOF?