Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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#35151 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 15:21

Kako ne rauzmijem? Hoces reci da nismo bili pod okupacijom, i da nam nisu ukinuli redonjovjekovnu Bosne u tom formatu? Pa posljedice osjecamo i dan danas, nasa najveca katastrofa je dolazak osmanlija na prosotor zapdnog balkana i kasnija bukvalna prodaja. Mislis da smo se tako isto ista pitali po pitanju vanjske politike, pirmanja izbjelgica iz drugih dijelova sveijta. pa isto su osmanlije radile i na blisko mistoku. i u drugim dijelvima.
Nasa okupacija iako se desila bila je upitna, ljudi su u nekim dijelovima Bosne veseljem docekali Turke, neprijatelj mog neprijatelja je moj prijatelj (I Hrvati docekase srpsku vojsku sa cvijecem poslije WWI). Pad Bosne se uvijek mora posmatrati u kontekstu izdaje od katolicke europe, krstaskih ratova, odvodjenja nasih ljudi u roblje, i nasilnog pokrstavanja. Kako Tale fino napisase, najvise su volili kupovati robinje od 12 godina.

Mi osjecamo posljedice svega sta nam se desavalo, od razaranja Ilirije od Rimljana, od podijele na istocno i rimsko carstvo - granica koja je jos uvijek postojeca te pripadnost zapadu i istoku zahvaljajuci toj granici. Osjecamo krstaske ratove, osjecamo dolazak turaka.

Da li je Bosna bila kompatibilna vjerski prije dolazaka Turaka? Bitch please, pa ni oko Crkve bosanske ne mozemo da se slozimo, istocnjacki kazu da je to pravoslavlje pa i da nije postojala nikako.

Bosna je osiguravala vjerske slobode svojim stanovnicima gotovo uvijek osim kad je Vatikan drugacije to trazio, a to se nastavilo i Osmanskom carstvu. Bosna je osiguravala svoje granice sama i odbrane iste bila je iskljucivo u njenoj nadleznosti, to ce reci kapetana.
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#35152 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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✈️ Veliki broj vojnih zrakoplova američkog ratnog zrakoplovstva stiže u Mediteran

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#35153 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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F&N wrote: 24/10/2023 15:26
sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 15:22
arman1 wrote: 24/10/2023 15:20

Moji su u WWII spašavali jevreje rizikujući svoje živote. Ponosim se tom činjenicom. Sad je bolesna stvarnost da su potomci tih ljudi koje su spašavali ista govna kao i oni od kojih su spašavani njihovi preci. Reći da je Hamas teroristički a ne reći da je i IDF i obratno je licemjerno. Isti teroristički ološ kao i njihovi pajde isil, al-usrah itd.
ko su mnogi elaboriraj? slovom i brojem zvanicno 47 pravednika je iz bih .
sumire dosadan si i naporan
niti ikoga mozes ubijediti u to sto pises, da ne kazem valjas gluposti
osim sto provociras

okani se ove teme i drzi se Ukraine

nema potrebe ikoga ista da ubjedjujes samo potices rasprave koje ne pripadaju ovoj temi

vec si napisao na drugoj temi da su na ovoj temi debili ili kako si vec napisao svom kolegi lajkuj_me

i da prijavit cu te za trola na ovoj temi
mozete vi prijavit, ali brojevi nikad ne lazu. naravno ima izuzetaka casnih izuzetaka i na to treba biti ponosan.
i istini treba pogledati u oci kakva god da je, iako se zna da je glavna vojska u to vrijeme na ovim prostorima bila domobranska u sluzbi ndh, trebate cijenit antifasisticku tradiciju naroda bosne i hercegovine. :thumbup:
mogu ja i otic sa teme, sam ,ne treba meni zabrana. ako ce vama emotivno biti lakse i da cete lakse podnosit i pratit ovu temu , realno k sam ja da vam stajem na put. sta meni to treba u zivotu?
sve najblje nemojte se ba sekirat bezveze :thumbup:
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Od sada mu ide prijava za svaki post koji nema veze sa nazivom teme. Ali svaki. Valjda moderacija onda nešto uradi.
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Rakete Qassam iz Gaze sada padaju na zgrade u naseljima na Zapadnoj obali kao odgovor na masakre izraelske okupacije nad civilima 🇵🇸


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Brigade Al-Qassama obnovile su bombardiranje Tel Aviva kao odgovor na cionističke masakre nad civilima.
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#35156 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 15:30
F&N wrote: 24/10/2023 15:26
sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 15:22
ko su mnogi elaboriraj? slovom i brojem zvanicno 47 pravednika je iz bih .
sumire dosadan si i naporan
niti ikoga mozes ubijediti u to sto pises, da ne kazem valjas gluposti
osim sto provociras

okani se ove teme i drzi se Ukraine

nema potrebe ikoga ista da ubjedjujes samo potices rasprave koje ne pripadaju ovoj temi

vec si napisao na drugoj temi da su na ovoj temi debili ili kako si vec napisao svom kolegi lajkuj_me

i da prijavit cu te za trola na ovoj temi
mozete vi prijavit, ali brojevi nikad ne lazu. naravno ima izuzetaka casnih izuzetaka i na to treba biti ponosan.
i istini treba pogledati u oci kakva god da je, iako se zna da je glavna vojska u to vrijeme na ovim prostorima bila domobranska u sluzbi ndh, trebate cijenit antifasisticku tradiciju naroda bosne i hercegovine. :thumbup:
mogu ja i otic sa teme, sam ,ne treba meni zabrana. ako ce vama emotivno biti lakse i da cete lakse podnosit i pratit ovu temu , realno k sam ja da vam stajem na put. sta meni to treba u zivotu?
sve najblje nemojte se ba sekirat bezveze :thumbup:
Hvala na razumjevanju
niti nama treba to sto ti pises
niti tebi ovo sto mi pisemo
da se ne bi dalje svadjali
hajti svojim poslom, mi svojim
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Rakete Qassam koje su maloprije lansirane iz Gaze pale su na zgrade u naseljima na Zapadnoj obali 🇵🇸

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#35158 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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Šteta koju su maloprije prouzročili palestinski otporni projektili u naseljima na Zapadnoj obali 🇵🇸
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Yedioth Ahronoth: Izraelske opcije idu od gore do gore... Zračni napadi na Pojas Gaze neće srušiti vladavinu Hamasa, a kopnena operacija bit će vrlo skupa za Izrael.
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#VIJEST: Gaza Now dopisnik: Izraelski okupacijski zrakoplov bombardirao je kuću i njezine stanovnike u kampu Nuseirat u središnjem Pojasu Gaze.



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Izraelski stručnjak rabin Mikhail Finkel: Gotovo svaka benzinska postaja, tenk ili vojni zrakoplov u Izraelu puni se gorivom zahvaljujući zalihama azerbajdžanske nafte.
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Turski predsjednik Erdogan razgovarao je telefonom s ruskim predsjednikom Putinom.

Razgovaralo se o palestinskom pitanju.

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Djeca mučenici oporavljena u bombardiranju izraelskih okupacijskih zrakoplova na kuću u Jabaliji u sjevernom Pojasu Gaze.
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#35162 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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When we arrived in Gaza, they initially told us that they believe in the Quran and that they wouldn’t harm us. They said they would treat us like those around them. We were under strict supervision. A medic and a doctor came to ensure that we had the medicines we always take. They were very interested in our health, and we had an attached doctor who would visit every two or three days to see how we were doing. They took responsibility and made sure to bring the necessary medications. If there were no identical medicines, they would provide equivalent ones. They were very kind and made sure we ate well. We ate the same food as them. We were treated well, and they paid attention to every detail. They had women with us who understood feminine hygiene and made sure we had everything we needed. Hamas had planned everything for a long time, they prepared everything we needed, including shampoo and conditioner. The inefficiency of the army and the Shin Bet hurt us a lot. We were a sacrificial lamb for the government.
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#VIJEST: 12 mučenika su ugljenisana tijela u bombardiranju izraelskih okupacijskih zrakoplova na kuću u kampu Nuseirat u središnjem pojasu Gaze. 🇵🇸
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#35164 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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Hamas pustio taoce.

Kliks i balkanski mediji generalno citiraju taoce: Bili su njezni prema nama. Imali smo hranu i brinuli su se o nasim potrebama.
Zapadni mediji: Grozni uslovi. Jeli smo samo sir i krastavice jednom dnevno.

Po kliksu u hamasu sve sami humanitarci, u zapadnim medijima sve same zvijeri.
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House wrote: 24/10/2023 15:46
When we arrived in Gaza, they initially told us that they believe in the Quran and that they wouldn’t harm us. They said they would treat us like those around them. We were under strict supervision. A medic and a doctor came to ensure that we had the medicines we always take. They were very interested in our health, and we had an attached doctor who would visit every two or three days to see how we were doing. They took responsibility and made sure to bring the necessary medications. If there were no identical medicines, they would provide equivalent ones. They were very kind and made sure we ate well. We ate the same food as them. We were treated well, and they paid attention to every detail. They had women with us who understood feminine hygiene and made sure we had everything we needed. Hamas had planned everything for a long time, they prepared everything we needed, including shampoo and conditioner. The inefficiency of the army and the Shin Bet hurt us a lot. We were a sacrificial lamb for the government.
https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/zena ... /231024088
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Dobili bi janjetinu, ali nema janjetine.
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#35167 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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apsidejzi wrote: 24/10/2023 15:55 Hamas pustio taoce.

Kliks i balkanski mediji generalno citiraju taoce: Bili su njezni prema nama. Imali smo hranu i brinuli su se o nasim potrebama.
Zapadni mediji: Grozni uslovi. Jeli smo samo sir i krastavice jednom dnevno.

Po kliksu u hamasu sve sami humanitarci, u zapadnim medijima sve same zvijeri.
Valjda zapadni mediji misle da u Gazi okrecu janjetinu 3 puta dnevno.

Prema ovoj zeni su ocito bili divni, osim u trenutku otmice.

Ali opet kazem, ne vjerujem da su svi ovako divno prosli. Da Cik pogodimo sta bi sa onom na motoru?
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apsidejzi wrote: 24/10/2023 15:55 Hamas pustio taoce.

Kliks i balkanski mediji generalno citiraju taoce: Bili su njezni prema nama. Imali smo hranu i brinuli su se o nasim potrebama.
Zapadni mediji: Grozni uslovi. Jeli smo samo sir i krastavice jednom dnevno.

Po kliksu u hamasu sve sami humanitarci, u zapadnim medijima sve same zvijeri.
nije tako...

CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/24/midd ... index.html
“They were very generous to us, very kind. They kept us clean,” Lifshitz said. “They took care of every detail. There are a lot of women and they know about feminine hygiene and they took care of everything there.”

Lifshitz also accused the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet intelligence service of not taking threats from Hamas “seriously” and said the costly Gaza border fence erected by Israel had done nothing to protect her community from Hamas’ attack.

“The lack of awareness by Shin Bet and the IDF hurt us a lot,” she stressed. “They warned us three weeks beforehand, they burned fields, they sent fire balloons and the IDF did not treat it seriously,” she continued.

Lifshitz explained how this culminated in the attack on Nir Oz in southern Israel on October 7.

“All of a sudden on a Saturday morning, everything was very quiet. There was a hard pounding on the settlement,” Lifshitz said. Not long after, “hordes” of Hamas fighters broke through the kibbutz’s “expensive” fences and kept coming in their “droves,” she said.

“It was very, very difficult and unpleasant,” a visibly upset Lifshitz added.

As she concluded her remarks, Sharone said her mother’s feeling was that “the story’s not over until everybody comes back.”
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-e ... 23-10-24/
"When we got there, first of all they told us that they believed in the Koran and that they would not harm us," she recounted.

A group of five people from her kibbutz were held together, each with an individual guard who stayed with them 24 hours a day. Lifshitz said a doctor visited them every other day and brought them the medicines they needed.

"They took good care of the wounded," Lifshitz said.

Video of her release on Monday showed her turning around to shake the hand of a masked captor. Asked why she had done that, she replied: "They treated us gently and met all our needs."

Speaking to Reuters on Monday, her grandson said Lifshitz was a peace activist who used to help sick Palestinians in Gaza receive medical treatment in Israel, meeting them at the main border crossing and driving them to hospitals.

Lifshitz was critical on Tuesday of the Israeli military for failing to protect southern communities from the Hamas assault, saying the army had not taken the threat of attack seriously.

"We were left to fend for ourselves," she said.

She added that a costly security fence that was meant to keep militants out "didn't help at all".

Hamas has so far released four hostages. Israel's military dropped leaflets in Gaza on Tuesday, offering reward and protection to any Palestinians who could give them information about the hostages.

Associated Press AP

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hosta ... f3ca052d61
Once in Gaza, she walked several kilometers to a network of tunnels that she described as “looking like a spider web.” She reached a large room where 25 people had been taken but was later separated into a smaller group with four others.

The people assigned to guard her “told us they are people who believe in the Quran and wouldn’t hurt us.”

Lifshitz said captives were treated well and received medical care, including medication. The guards kept conditions clean, she said. Hostages were given one meal a day of cheese, cucumber and pita, she said, adding that her captors ate the same.

Lifshitz and her husband were peace activists who regularly drove Palestinian patients from Gaza to receive medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. But in captivity, the hostages told their captors, “We don’t want to talk about politics,” she said.

Lifshitz and Cooper were the second pair of hostages to be released. On Friday, Hamas freed two Israeli-American women. Israel’s government has said returning all hostages safely is a top priority.

Israel overlooked warnings that something was afoot ahead of the attack, Lifshitz said.

“We were the scapegoat of the government,” she said. “They (Hamas) warned us three weeks before they taught us a lesson. A huge crowd arrived at the road. They burned fields. They sent incendiary balloons to burn the fields, and the army didn’t take it seriously.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... e-released


Jedino BBC, ABC iz Amerike, nisu detaljno izvjestili na ovaj nacin kao navedeni uz kompletnu pricu i njenu izjavu i optuzbe na racun vlade i naravno FOX NEWS koji je napravio clanak kao da je zena upravo spasena iz Ausvica...
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sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 14:40 Jebga ima svega, ako kazu da ima 500njak km tunela ispod gaze, onda je logicno da ima i ulaza izlaza koji nisu na livadama, nego upravo u neki od tih objekata sto izraelci gadjaju, a moraju imati neke operativne podatke. Samo ne vidim da ce se taj racun ispostavlja hamasu
Na stranu civili , civili tu stradaju ni krivi i duzni, ne mogu ni jednima ni drugima nista reci.
Ako imaju toliki tunel, koja logika onda da borave po zgradama?
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#35170 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 11:06 ">
ko na forumu :skoljka:
Mnogo podjebavaš ne znam kako opstaješ na forumu.
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isx wrote: 24/10/2023 16:31
sumirprimus wrote: 24/10/2023 11:06 ">
ko na forumu :skoljka:
Mnogo podjebavaš ne znam kako opstaješ na forumu.
Moze i taj komotno plakat za svojim sunarodnjacima.
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#35172 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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SanskiBiser wrote: 24/10/2023 16:21
apsidejzi wrote: 24/10/2023 15:55 Hamas pustio taoce.

Kliks i balkanski mediji generalno citiraju taoce: Bili su njezni prema nama. Imali smo hranu i brinuli su se o nasim potrebama.
Zapadni mediji: Grozni uslovi. Jeli smo samo sir i krastavice jednom dnevno.

Po kliksu u hamasu sve sami humanitarci, u zapadnim medijima sve same zvijeri.
nije tako...

CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/24/midd ... index.html
“They were very generous to us, very kind. They kept us clean,” Lifshitz said. “They took care of every detail. There are a lot of women and they know about feminine hygiene and they took care of everything there.”

Lifshitz also accused the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet intelligence service of not taking threats from Hamas “seriously” and said the costly Gaza border fence erected by Israel had done nothing to protect her community from Hamas’ attack.

“The lack of awareness by Shin Bet and the IDF hurt us a lot,” she stressed. “They warned us three weeks beforehand, they burned fields, they sent fire balloons and the IDF did not treat it seriously,” she continued.

Lifshitz explained how this culminated in the attack on Nir Oz in southern Israel on October 7.

“All of a sudden on a Saturday morning, everything was very quiet. There was a hard pounding on the settlement,” Lifshitz said. Not long after, “hordes” of Hamas fighters broke through the kibbutz’s “expensive” fences and kept coming in their “droves,” she said.

“It was very, very difficult and unpleasant,” a visibly upset Lifshitz added.

As she concluded her remarks, Sharone said her mother’s feeling was that “the story’s not over until everybody comes back.”
Rojter
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-e ... 23-10-24/
"When we got there, first of all they told us that they believed in the Koran and that they would not harm us," she recounted.

A group of five people from her kibbutz were held together, each with an individual guard who stayed with them 24 hours a day. Lifshitz said a doctor visited them every other day and brought them the medicines they needed.

"They took good care of the wounded," Lifshitz said.

Video of her release on Monday showed her turning around to shake the hand of a masked captor. Asked why she had done that, she replied: "They treated us gently and met all our needs."

Speaking to Reuters on Monday, her grandson said Lifshitz was a peace activist who used to help sick Palestinians in Gaza receive medical treatment in Israel, meeting them at the main border crossing and driving them to hospitals.

Lifshitz was critical on Tuesday of the Israeli military for failing to protect southern communities from the Hamas assault, saying the army had not taken the threat of attack seriously.

"We were left to fend for ourselves," she said.

She added that a costly security fence that was meant to keep militants out "didn't help at all".

Hamas has so far released four hostages. Israel's military dropped leaflets in Gaza on Tuesday, offering reward and protection to any Palestinians who could give them information about the hostages.

Associated Press AP

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hosta ... f3ca052d61
Once in Gaza, she walked several kilometers to a network of tunnels that she described as “looking like a spider web.” She reached a large room where 25 people had been taken but was later separated into a smaller group with four others.

The people assigned to guard her “told us they are people who believe in the Quran and wouldn’t hurt us.”

Lifshitz said captives were treated well and received medical care, including medication. The guards kept conditions clean, she said. Hostages were given one meal a day of cheese, cucumber and pita, she said, adding that her captors ate the same.

Lifshitz and her husband were peace activists who regularly drove Palestinian patients from Gaza to receive medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. But in captivity, the hostages told their captors, “We don’t want to talk about politics,” she said.

Lifshitz and Cooper were the second pair of hostages to be released. On Friday, Hamas freed two Israeli-American women. Israel’s government has said returning all hostages safely is a top priority.

Israel overlooked warnings that something was afoot ahead of the attack, Lifshitz said.

“We were the scapegoat of the government,” she said. “They (Hamas) warned us three weeks before they taught us a lesson. A huge crowd arrived at the road. They burned fields. They sent incendiary balloons to burn the fields, and the army didn’t take it seriously.”
Guardian isto

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... e-released


Jedino BBC, ABC iz Amerike, nisu detaljno izvjestili na ovaj nacin kao navedeni uz kompletnu pricu i njenu izjavu i optuzbe na racun vlade i naravno FOX NEWS koji je napravio clanak kao da je zena upravo spasena iz Ausvica...
Vjerovatno ce promjeniti pricu,kad se sve ovo zavrsi,sto je razumljivo iz vise razloga.
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#35173 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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dr_Evil wrote: 24/10/2023 15:07
JohnnyS wrote: 24/10/2023 15:05
To je sto posto istina, ali pitanje je želi li itko to više prihvatiti
Danas to izgleda kao nemoguca opcija s obzirom na % okupiranosti Palestine
Naravno da je genocid. Inkrementalni od 1948. Sada se malo ubrzalo pa se digla galama. Ali je generalno do sada bilo ok. I sada je. Medjunarodnoj zajednici. A i pojedinim huljama ovdje.
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Sa fokusom na civilno stanovnistvo postavlja se pitanje sta je bolje za njih? Kopnena ofanziva IDFa ili pomjeranje kopnene ofanzive za neki mjeces dana uz nastavak vazdusne kampanje?
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#35175 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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dr_Evil wrote: 24/10/2023 16:01
apsidejzi wrote: 24/10/2023 15:55 Hamas pustio taoce.

Kliks i balkanski mediji generalno citiraju taoce: Bili su njezni prema nama. Imali smo hranu i brinuli su se o nasim potrebama.
Zapadni mediji: Grozni uslovi. Jeli smo samo sir i krastavice jednom dnevno.

Po kliksu u hamasu sve sami humanitarci, u zapadnim medijima sve same zvijeri.
Valjda zapadni mediji misle da u Gazi okrecu janjetinu 3 puta dnevno.

Prema ovoj zeni su ocito bili divni, osim u trenutku otmice.

Ali opet kazem, ne vjerujem da su svi ovako divno prosli. Da Cik pogodimo sta bi sa onom na motoru?
Medijski rat se vodi i oko ovoga, dijelio je mladic cokoladice po srebrenici pa znamo sta je i kako je zavrsilo, ocekivati od natanjahuovog rezima i od hamasa dobro moze samo ukoliko im je u interesu za manipulaciju, njih vodi mrznja jednih prema drugima a jedni bez drugih ne mogu, vrzino kolo. Zamislimo da su natanjahuovom rezimu ili hamasovcima rekli pobijte sve vase taoce na najsvirepiji nacin i ispunicete vase ciljeve, mislite da ih ne bi pobili. Sve do jednog
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