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GandalfSivi wrote: 08/09/2023 18:26
karanana wrote: 08/09/2023 16:47

jaaaoooo, sad si gotov. citas i citiras cetnika i ruskog agenta ropkea. sad ce gandalf da ti objasni kakav je cetnik dzulijan.
Hajde genijalac sada uporedi Routersov clanak sa clankom ovog cetnika, umij se, popij mlijeko pa se vrati…
pa sta mene optuzujes, nisam ja stavio ovaj gore link od mog cetnickog jarana
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#183052 Re: Ukrajina

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3ća slavna jurisna.. kakqv ss ccc sad siris rusku propagandu
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#183053 Re: Ukrajina

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Sto se tiče ss.a i bijele moci musk je juznoafrikanac bijelac. I stim je sve receno i objasnjava dosta toga :oops:
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#183054 Re: Ukrajina

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karanana wrote: 08/09/2023 18:27
GandalfSivi wrote: 08/09/2023 18:26

Hajde genijalac sada uporedi Routersov clanak sa clankom ovog cetnika, umij se, popij mlijeko pa se vrati…
pa sta mene optuzujes, nisam ja stavio ovaj gore link od mog cetnickog jarana
Ti me u usta uzimas, a kada to radis, onda barem znaj o cemu pricas...
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#183055 Re: Ukrajina

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Koliko tacno je ova vijest sa klixa prevedena, a od ovog generala, al Rusi cutke kao da bas sanjaju absorbiranje cijele istocne Europe pod svoje okrilje.

Zar nije Putin godinama unazad usvojio dekret o zabrani proizvodnje vodke slabe kvalitete ...
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#183056 Re: Ukrajina

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Kad su mu se roditelji razveli osto je s ocem da zivi.
A otac je jednom izjqvio da je zivot bio bolji i sigurniji za vrijeme aparthejda. Dzaba sav politicki amgazman :oops:
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#183057 Re: Ukrajina

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swanfilter wrote: 08/09/2023 18:31 Koliko tacno je ova vijest sa klixa prevedena, a od ovog generala, al Rusi cutke kao da bas sanjaju absorbiranje cijele istocne Europe pod svoje okrilje.

Zar nije Putin godinama unazad usvojio dekret o zabrani proizvodnje vodke slabe kvalitete ...
Klix odavde preuzeo, da ukrajina je pocetak, al ono sto im za istocnu evropu treba je vise vremena :oops:
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#183058 Re: Ukrajina

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GandalfSivi wrote: 08/09/2023 18:30
karanana wrote: 08/09/2023 18:27

pa sta mene optuzujes, nisam ja stavio ovaj gore link od mog cetnickog jarana
Ti me u usta uzimas, a kada to radis, onda barem znaj o cemu pricas...
pa ti si mene u usta uzeo ranije kad je rijec o dzulijanu cetniku.
citalac je stavio njegova saznanja i ja reko, po moralistima tipa gandalfa, to je no-no ovde na temi da se postavlja dzulijanova chetnicko ruska propaganda.

a ja inicijelno dzulijana ni spomeno nisam, nego nekog bosnju koji je dosao na space i poredio masakre na pijaci u sarajevu i ukrajini. ali si mi ga stavio u usta da ja sirim njegovu propagandu o ukrima kako sami sebe bombarduju.
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#183059 Re: Ukrajina

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swanfilter wrote: 08/09/2023 18:31 Koliko tacno je ova vijest sa klixa prevedena, a od ovog generala, al Rusi cutke kao da bas sanjaju absorbiranje cijele istocne Europe pod svoje okrilje.

Zar nije Putin godinama unazad usvojio dekret o zabrani proizvodnje vodke slabe kvalitete ...
Prica za domace trziste.
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#183060 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 08/09/2023 18:32
swanfilter wrote: 08/09/2023 18:31 Koliko tacno je ova vijest sa klixa prevedena, a od ovog generala, al Rusi cutke kao da bas sanjaju absorbiranje cijele istocne Europe pod svoje okrilje.

Zar nije Putin godinama unazad usvojio dekret o zabrani proizvodnje vodke slabe kvalitete ...
Klix odavde preuzeo, da ukrajina je pocetak, al ono sto im za istocnu evropu treba je vise vremena :oops:

O tome su mogli razmisljati i sanjati kada je bilo-za tri dana u Kijevu. Al, danas, a nakon toliko i svega sta se desilo i jos uvijek desava ... Nije vise ni do vodke. Ovdje je u pitanju okultizam kao i kod Hitlera onomad ...
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#183061 Re: Ukrajina

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Uskoro! Američka flota u Crnom moru!

SAD će usvojiti Zakon o sigurnosti Crnog mora iz 2023. godine, koji može pozitivno utiecati na jačanje nacionalne sigurnosti Ukrajine i osigurati prisutnost NATO-a u Crnom moru.

To znači da je pitanje Krima riješeno

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 21, 2023
Mr. Keating (for himself and Mr. Turner) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs

A BILL
To provide for security in the Black Sea region, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Black Sea Security Act of 2023”.

SEC. 2. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON BLACK SEA SECURITY.

(a) Sense Of Congress.—It is the sense of Congress that—

(1) it is in the interest of the United States to support efforts to prevent the spread of further armed conflict in Europe by recognizing the Black Sea region as an arena of Russian aggression;

(2) littoral states of the Black Sea are critical in countering aggression by the Government of the Russian Federation and contributing to the collective security of NATO;

(3) the repeated, illegal, unprovoked, and violent attempts of the Russian Federation to expand its territory and control access to the Mediterranean Sea through the Black Sea constitutes a threat to the national security of the United States and NATO;

(4) the United States condemns attempts by the Russian Federation to change or alter boundaries in the Black Sea region by force or any means contrary to international law and to impose a sphere of influence across the region;

(5) the United States and its allies should robustly counter Russia’s illegitimate territorial claims on the Crimean Peninsula, along Ukraine's territorial waters in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, in the Black Sea's international waters, and in the territories it is illegally occupying in Ukraine;

(6) the United States should continue to work within NATO and with NATO Allies to develop a long-term strategy to enhance security, establish a permanent, sustainable presence along NATO's eastern flank, and bolster the democratic resilience of its allies and partners in the region;

(7) the United States should work within NATO and with NATO Allies to develop a regular, rotational maritime presence in the Black Sea;

(8) the United States should also work with the European Union on coordinating a strategy to support democratic initiatives and economic prosperity in the region, which includes two European Union members and four European Union aspirant nations;

(9) Turkey's behavior towards some regional allies and democratic states has been counterproductive and has contributed to increased tensions in the region, and Turkey should avoid any actions to further escalate regional tensions;

(10) the United States should work to foster dialogue among countries within the Black Sea region to improve communication and intelligence sharing and increase cyber defense capabilities;

(11) countries with historic and economic ties to Russia are looking to the United States and Europe to provide a positive economic presence in the broader region as a counterbalance to the Russian Federation’s malign influence in the region;

(12) it is in the interest of the United States to support and bolster the economic ties between the United States and Black Sea states;

(13) the United States should support the initiative undertaken by central and eastern European states to advance the Three Seas Initiative Fund to strengthen transport, energy, and digital infrastructure connectivity in the region between the Adriatic Sea, Baltic Sea, and Black Sea;

(14) there are mutually beneficial opportunities for increased investment and economic expansion, particularly on energy, climate, and transport infrastructure initiatives, between the United States and Black Sea states and the broader region;

(15) improved economic ties between the United States and the Black Sea states and the broader region can lead to a strengthened strategic partnership;

(16) the United States must seek to address the food security challenges arising from disruption of Ukraine’s Black Sea and Azov Sea ports, as this global challenge will have critical national security implications for the United States, our partners, and allies;

(17) Turkey, in coordination with the United Nations, has played an important role in alleviating global food insecurity by negotiating two agreements to allow grain exports from Ukrainian ports through a safe corridor in the Black Sea;

(18) Russia has a brutal history of using hunger as a weapon and must be stopped;

(19) countering the PRC’s coercive economic pursuits remains an important policy imperative in order to further integrate the Black Sea states into western economies and improve regional stability; and

(20) Turkey’s continued delay in ratifying Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO undermines the strength of the alliance and inhibits the united international response to Russia’s unprovoked war in Ukraine.

SEC. 3. UNITED STATES POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States to—

(1) actively deter the threat of Russia’s further escalation in the Black Sea region and defend freedom of navigation in the Black Sea to prevent the spread of further armed conflict in Europe;

(2) advocate within NATO, among NATO Allies, and within the European Union to develop a long-term coordinated strategy to enhance security, establish a permanent, sustainable presence in the eastern flank, and bolster the democratic resilience of United States allies and partners in the region;

(3) advocate within NATO and among NATO Allies to develop a regular, rotational maritime presence in the Black Sea;

(4) support and bolster the economic ties between the United States and Black Sea partners and mobilize the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and other relevant Federal departments and agencies by enhancing the United States presence and investment in Black Sea states;

(5) provide economic alternatives to the PRC’s coercive economic options that destabilize and further erode economic integration of the Black Sea states;

(6) ensure that the United States continues to support Black Sea states' efforts to strengthen their democratic institutions to prevent corruption and accelerate their advancement into the Euroatlantic community; and

(7) encourage the initiative undertaken by central and eastern European states to advance the Three Seas Initiative to strengthen transport, energy, and digital infrastructure connectivity in the region between the Adriatic Sea, Baltic Sea, and Black Sea.

SEC. 4. BLACK SEA SECURITY AND DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

(a) Black Sea Security And Development Strategy.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the National Security Council, in coordination with the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and other relevant Federal departments and agencies, is authorized to direct an interagency strategy to increase coordination with NATO and the European Union, deepen economic ties, strengthen energy security, support efforts to bolster their democratic resilience, and enhance security assistance with our regional partners in accordance with the values and interests of the United States.

(b) Purpose And Objectives.—The initiative established under subsection (a) shall have the following goals and objectives:

(1) Ensuring the efficient and effective delivery of security assistance to regional partners in accordance with the values and interests of the United States, prioritizing assistance that will bolster defenses against hybrid warfare and improve interoperability with NATO forces.

(2) Bolstering United States support for the region’s energy security and integration with Europe and reducing their dependence on Russia while supporting energy diversification.

(3) Mitigating the impact of economic coercion by the Russian Federation and the PRC on Black Sea states and identifying new opportunities for foreign direct investment from the United States and cooperating countries and the enhancement of United States business ties with regional partners in accordance with the values and interests of the United States.

(4) Increasing high-level engagement between the United States and regional partners, and reinforcing economic growth, financing quality infrastructure, and reinforcing trade with a focus on improving high-level economic cooperation.

(5) Increasing United States coordination with the European Union and NATO to maximize effectiveness and minimize duplication.

(c) Activities.—

(1) SECURITY.—The strategy established under subsection (a) should include the following elements related to security:

(A) A plan to increase interagency coordination on the Black Sea region.

(B) An assessment of whether a United States-led initiative with NATO allies to increase coordination, presence, and regional engagement among Black Sea states is advisable.

(C) A strategy to increase security assistance toward Black Sea states, focused on Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, and Georgia.

(D) Prioritization of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance systems to monitor Russia's operations in the Black Sea region.

(E) An assessment of the value of establishing a joint, multinational three-star headquarters on the Black Sea, responsible for planning, readiness, exercises, and coordination of all Allied and partner military activity in the greater Black Sea region.

(F) An assessment of the challenges and opportunities of establishing a regular, rotational NATO maritime presence in the Black Sea, including an analysis of the capacity, capabilities, and commitment of NATO members to create this type of mission.

(G) An overview of Foreign Military Financing, International Military Education and Training, and other United States security assistance to the region.

(H) A plan for communicating the changes to NATO posture to the public in allied and partner countries, as well as to publics in the Russian Federation and Belarus.

(I) A plan for combating Russian disinformation and propaganda in the Black Sea region, utilizing the resources of the United States Government, including the Global Engagement Center.

(J) A plan to promote greater freedom of navigation to allow for greater security and economic Black Sea access.

(2) ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.—The strategy established under subsection (a) shall include the following elements related to economic prosperity:

(A) A strategy to foster dialogue between experts from the United States and from the Black Sea states on economic expansion, foreign direct investment, strengthening rule of law initiatives, and mitigating economic coercion by Russia and the PRC.

(B) A strategy for all the relevant Federal departments and agencies that contribute to United States economic statecraft to expand their presence and identify new opportunities for private investment with regional partners in accordance with the values and interests of the United States.

(C) Assessments on energy diversification, focusing on the immediate need to replace energy supplies from Russia, and recognizing the long-term importance of broader energy diversification, including clean energy initiatives.

(D) Assessments of potential food security solutions, including sustainable, long-term arrangements beyond the Black Sea Grain Initiative.

(3) DEMOCRATIC RESILIENCE.—The strategy established under subsection (a) shall include the following elements related to democratic resilience:

(A) A strategy to increase independent media and United States-supported media initiatives to combat foreign malign influence in the Black Sea region.

(B) Greater mobilization of initiatives spearheaded by the Global Engagement Center and the United States Agency for International Development to counter Russian propaganda and disinformation in the Black Sea region.

(4) REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.—The strategy established under subsection (a) shall promote regional connectivity by sending high-level representatives of the Department of State or other agency partners to—

(A) the Black Sea region not less frequently than twice a year; and

(B) major regional fora on infrastructure and energy security, including the Three Seas Initiative Summit.

(d) Identification Of Necessary Programs And Resources.—Not later than 360 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the interagency shall identify any necessary program, policy, or budgetary resources required, by agency, to support implementation of the Black Sea Security Strategy for fiscal years 2024, 2025, and 2026.

(e) Responsibilities Of Federal Departments And Agencies.—Nothing under this section shall be deemed to authorize the National Security Council to assume any of the responsibilities or authorities of the head of any Federal department, agency, or office, including the foreign affairs responsibilities and authorities of the Secretary of State, to oversee the implementation of programs and policies under this section.

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES.—The term “appropriate congressional committees” means—

(A) the Committee on Foreign Relations, the Committee on Armed Services, and the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate; and

(B) the Committee on Foreign Affairs, the Committee on Armed Services, and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives.

(2) BLACK SEA STATES.—The term “Black Sea states” means Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Ukraine, and Georgia.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... t?s=1&r=17
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#183062 Re: Ukrajina

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karanana wrote: 08/09/2023 18:33
GandalfSivi wrote: 08/09/2023 18:30

Ti me u usta uzimas, a kada to radis, onda barem znaj o cemu pricas...
pa ti si mene u usta uzeo ranije kad je rijec o dzulijanu cetniku.
citalac je stavio njegova saznanja i ja reko, po moralistima tipa gandalfa, to je no-no ovde na temi da se postavlja dzulijanova chetnicko ruska propaganda.

a ja inicijelno dzulijana ni spomeno nisam, nego nekog bosnju koji je dosao na space i poredio masakre na pijaci u sarajevu i ukrajini. ali si mi ga stavio u usta da ja sirim njegovu propagandu o ukrima kako sami sebe bombarduju.
Ne pratim previše ni Bild ni Ropckea, nemam ni twitter ni telegrame, a tekst preuzeh onako kako su ga objavili u Ukrajini, njima je to razumljivo bitna tema danas.
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#183063 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 08/09/2023 18:39
karanana wrote: 08/09/2023 18:33

pa ti si mene u usta uzeo ranije kad je rijec o dzulijanu cetniku.
citalac je stavio njegova saznanja i ja reko, po moralistima tipa gandalfa, to je no-no ovde na temi da se postavlja dzulijanova chetnicko ruska propaganda.

a ja inicijelno dzulijana ni spomeno nisam, nego nekog bosnju koji je dosao na space i poredio masakre na pijaci u sarajevu i ukrajini. ali si mi ga stavio u usta da ja sirim njegovu propagandu o ukrima kako sami sebe bombarduju.
Ne pratim previše ni Bild ni Ropckea, nemam ni twitter ni telegrame, a tekst preuzeh onako kako su ga objavili u Ukrajini, njima je to razumljivo bitna tema danas.
Poenta price je da sve ukidanja sankcija koje si gore naveo se odnose samo na agrikulturalnu banku kao i na isporuke zite iz Rusije, ni na sta drugo...
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#183064 Re: Ukrajina

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sime_cipol wrote: 08/09/2023 18:33
swanfilter wrote: 08/09/2023 18:31 Koliko tacno je ova vijest sa klixa prevedena, a od ovog generala, al Rusi cutke kao da bas sanjaju absorbiranje cijele istocne Europe pod svoje okrilje.

Zar nije Putin godinama unazad usvojio dekret o zabrani proizvodnje vodke slabe kvalitete ...
Prica za domace trziste.

Ocito, ima glupljih i od nas ovdje ...
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#183065 Re: Ukrajina

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#183066 Re: Ukrajina

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Ukrajina će preživjeti sve nedaće (Vijetnam, Afganistan) su primjer
Sve će jadna sirotinja uzdurati..a šta poslije..
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#183067 Re: Ukrajina

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GandalfSivi wrote: 08/09/2023 18:40
Čitalac wrote: 08/09/2023 18:39

Ne pratim previše ni Bild ni Ropckea, nemam ni twitter ni telegrame, a tekst preuzeh onako kako su ga objavili u Ukrajini, njima je to razumljivo bitna tema danas.
Poenta price je da sve ukidanja sankcija koje si gore naveo se odnose samo na agrikulturalnu banku kao i na isporuke zite iz Rusije, ni na sta drugo...
Ipak je i po Reutersu ponuđeno malo više ustupaka...
It also publicly outlined the proposals made by Guterres in his letter to Lavrov: "reconnecting a subsidiary of the Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT, creating an insurance platform, unblocking the foreign assets of Russian fertiliser producers and enabling our ships to enter European ports."
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#183068 Re: Ukrajina

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Na ušću Dunava u Crno more,.....
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#183069 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 08/09/2023 18:51
GandalfSivi wrote: 08/09/2023 18:40

Poenta price je da sve ukidanja sankcija koje si gore naveo se odnose samo na agrikulturalnu banku kao i na isporuke zite iz Rusije, ni na sta drugo...
Ipak je i po Reutersu ponuđeno malo više ustupaka...
It also publicly outlined the proposals made by Guterres in his letter to Lavrov: "reconnecting a subsidiary of the Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT, creating an insurance platform, unblocking the foreign assets of Russian fertiliser producers and enabling our ships to enter European ports."
Sve vezano za agrikulturu, samo skratih listu, poenta ista...
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#183070 Re: Ukrajina

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da li trenutno ima americkih brodova u crnom moru? ili bi trebali proci iz mediterana kroz dardanele i bosfor u iducih 5-6 dana?

a, edit: slika teksta je zavaravajuca. sa US strane ce u vjezbi ucestvovati avion i ronioci.
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#183071 Re: Ukrajina

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Govoreći na konferenciji o mentalnom zdravlju u Kijevu u srijedu, holivudski glumac i aktivist Sean Penn odgovorio je na pitanje Kyiv Posta oštrom ocjenom ruskog diktatora.

Penn je odgovorio rekavši da je "najbolja definicija 'zla' koju je većina ljudi ikada čula odsutnost dobra."

"Mislim da ono što vidim u toj osobi je odsutnost bilo čega čak i nejasno zanimljivog, to je kao posuda ništavila", rekao je.

“Ne želim živjeti u svijetu u kojem će gangster s nuklearnim oružjem diktirati moj život”

"Da sam na mjestu nekog od naših lidera i da mogu nešto reći Putinu, učinio bih to tako što bih jučer potpuno naoružao Ukrajince"


Sean podržava Ukrajinu od prvog dana.

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#183072 Re: Ukrajina

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Hame_ wrote: 08/09/2023 18:01

Ono što me zadnjih mjeseci čudi, nema tu nekih snimaka gdje velike jedinice idu ili se brane. Sve neka šaka jada od desetak nekih vojnika koji taslače iznad glave ili bježe.

Hoću raći, za rat ovakivh razmjera ovo je meni smiješno.

Vode se "odlučujuće borbe" za neku njivu, a upreglo se vod tam vod vam.

Ma nikako mi nije jasno, mi bi ovo žarom/koprivom rastjerali.

Artiljerija Bosanac Bekrija

Eto to ti je odgovor u doba ultra precizne artiljerije i dronova ne zelis guzvu u rovu.
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Slika putlera na protestu granica postoji :mrgreen:
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#183075 Re: Ukrajina

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Ugroženi i diskrimisani RuSSista zato što mu Kazakstanci nisu dali da uđe u državu zbog slova "Z" pa se tužni RuSSista morao vrnuti nazad u Mordor.

Nešto nam poznata ova jadikovka,....
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