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#170076 Re: Ukrajina

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BiBi911 wrote: 19/06/2023 23:09
A_A_AKCIJA wrote: 19/06/2023 16:43

Ako je samo trećina, onda je i dobro.

Od nekih 120 F22 koje imaju Amerikanci, pola je u stanju da leti. I to u mirnodopskim uvjetima.

Neki dan je bila reportaža o Pzh2000 koja je ispucala 20.000 granata kroz jednu cijev. Što je apsolutni rekord, obzirom da je njen vijek trajanja malo ispod 5000 komada sa najjačim punjenjem. Druge haubice imaju još kraći rok eksploatacije, oko 2500 kom.

Tenk može ispucati tri-četiri borbena kompleta prije nego se potroši cijev i mora na remont. Šest sekundi je vijek trajanja tenkovske cijevi na ruskim tenkovima, kada bi pucao rafalno.

Da ne govorim o mjenjačima, motorima, diferencijalima. U drugom svjetskom ratu, Tigar je imao rok trajanja par stotina kilometara.

Dobra stvar je da i Rusi imaju isti problem, ali naglašeniji, jer je tehnika manje kvalitetna.
Zar nas nije onaj " nas" kolega uvjeravao da su sve PZH2000 se pokvrile I vracene u DE. Nesto da nisu mogle par komada ispucat prije velikog kvara
Ma ne zajebaji, đe će švabo napravit nešto od precizne mehanike da valja. To se nikad nije desilo. :mrgreen:

Inače, Rheinmetall dionice treba kupovati... :D
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#170077 Re: Ukrajina

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Helios wrote: 19/06/2023 23:22
Ne znam je li bilo,ali ovakav gubitak kad rad mora da se osjeti,racunajuci da je bilo makar 50% napunjeno municiom mnogo je.
Ovdje je bilo i kolaterala. Povaljane su i kuće u okolici.
Golema bavovna bila.
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#170078 Re: Ukrajina

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16 mjeseci je sasvim dovoljan vremenski period da se neke stvari vide i uvide.
Sa sljedbenicima "proruskih twiteraša sa zanimljivim pregledima" nakon 16 mjeseci agresije nema diskusije. Sa "sovjetskom (in)doktrin(acij)om" nema ni razgovora, a ni pregovora.
Stanje na terenu je jedino bitno.
A to je ono što "drma kavez" raznoraznim samoproglašenim prvoligašima.
Iz dana u dan... sve više napredujemo... :D
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#170079 Re: Ukrajina

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The size and duration (6 hours plus) of the secondaries at the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot (below) argue the PSU storm Shadow Strike hit a RuAF theater level ammo storage depot.

This means things.

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Ukraine destroyed two of the rail bridges feeding the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot before this strike.

This means replacing this ammo reserve is logistical disaster of the 1st order.

So, we are talking about a week to 10 days for the Russians in the South to run out

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...of artillery ammo firing at last week's rates.

We can expect Russian artillery fire, per gun or rocket launcher, per day to drop like a rock for RuAF units in south and southwestern Ukraine.

Think something like down by half immediately and to 1/4 in a week as the full

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...scale of the disaster sinks in with Russian logisticians.

RuAF has s--t administrative controls for everything.

In disaster situations, Russian Army lying is epidemic until a guy with stars on his shoulders, and a squad of executioners behind him, shows up.

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This is exactly what happened when the 40 mile/64 km Russian Army column north of Kyiv ran out of fuel in early Mar 2022.

The general commanding the Russian 41st CAA came forward to unf--k the logistical mess and the AFU promptly assassinated him.

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It wasn't until the Russians evacuated back to Belarus that the Russian administrative controls actually got an accurate count of the survivors of the column.

The Russians never had a clue as to who or what actually went into Ukraine because of all the accumulated lies
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...built into pre-war unit reports.

The Russians are actually in a worse situation with the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot than the Kyiv column.

All the theater level administrative records of what shell or rocket ammunition lots went to which artillery units are gone.

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They were resident in the those storage buildings whose foundations no longer exist.

The artillery shells and rockets that RuAF units in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia have right now are all they are going to have for the next couple of weeks.

It is going to take that long

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...to rebuild the rail lines and refill the supply chain to those units with munitions.

And there will be fewer shells because RuAF has to keep far more dispersed theater depots, requiring more trucks & mobiks inside of Ukraine, because of the Storm Shadow threat.

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What RuAF tightening daily artillery firing rates to 1/4 or less of last week means is losing lots of Southern Ukrainian ground, armored equipment, and even more lives trying to hold the 1st & 2nd defense lines until the RuAF artillery supply lines are reestablished.

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Then it falls apart in about three weeks.

You see, the planned RuAF defense of the 3rd line had counted on that now destroyed artillery ammunition.

It planned for killing and destroying AFU troops and equipment which will now survive lines one and two.

And a lot of the

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RuAF troops that would have survived to fill 3rd line defenses won't, simply because the artillery ammo reserve in the Rykove (Partyzany) depot no longer exists.

All of this is to plan, the plan of Ukraine's General Staff.

Lot of Western reporters are asking ignorant

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...questions about whether Ukraine's counter offensive has failed.

And by ignorant I mean Western reporters don't understand in their gut that the Ukrainians are not time constrained politically like a Western democracy.

Ukraine is in an existential war w/8 years warning.

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AFU are fighting in a way that maximizes Russian losses while minimizing their own with the kit they have right now.

We are seeing a ground forces 'suppression of enemy artillery defenses' operation - called phase 1 by @noclador & others - using drones and precision
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...munitions to savage the entire RuAF artillery C4ISR & logistical supply chain.

This is in keeping with Ukraine's "Death of a Thousand Cuts" attritional strategy.

They not only want to win. They want to disembowel the Russian military for a generation.

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And it is a strategy that is working.

The Russian officer corps has lost over 1/2 of it's at start strength through full colonel, including its mid-grade instructors, plus it has had 300% attrition in junior officers including cadets, technical specialists and R&D cadre.

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My read of the current fighting is Ukraine is attacking with just enough to drive the Russians reserves into the open for AFU artillery & drones to kill it.

The so-called Surovikin line doesn't have the basics of a WW1 or WW2 fortified line. It isn't deep enough with

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...firing steps or shelters to really protect from drone directed 152/155mm shells. Nor is it wide enough to stop a tank.

There is no barbed wire or sound generators.

It isn't equipped with enough crew served weapons, & bunkers for same, for the frontages.

Nor is it

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...manned w/enough infantry to be continually occupied, let alone be mutually supporting.

As far as I can tell, no communication wire has been laid, so Ukraine is controlling Russian radio communication access with jamming at will.

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Russia's 1st defense line seemed to have relied on minelayer MLRS batteries.

In so many words, the Russians relied on a military gimmick, a cheat code, to hold the 1st Surovikin line that Ukrainian radio jamming took from them.

Also, drone flights seem to have
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...replaced infantry patrolling totally for the Russians on the Surovikin lines, compared to 2022.

Ukraine still does some, but only as preparation for an attack looking for obstacles and camouflaged artillery observation posts that radio intercepts say are in the area.
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The lack of both trained RuAF junior officers or any NCO's to kick ass in order to force local improvements (hide trash from drones!) in the fortifications of the Surovikin lines are so glaringly obvious I don't know what to say about media coverage of the Ukrainian offensive
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The so-called Sorvorkin line is - straight up - a Potemkin Village defensive designed to convince Russian propaganda media audiences, clueless Western journalists, politicians, and other susceptible suckers.

Until now, it has worked admirably.

Minus shells? Not so much.

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#170080 Re: Ukrajina

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kluz franjo wrote: 19/06/2023 22:11 Svakim danom sve manje agresorskih divljaka, a sve više oslobođene Ukrajine.
A ofanziva još nije u punom zamahu.
Sasvim je očekivano da gonze histerišu.
@sumirprimus, imaš li negdje video onog gologuzog orka što histerično bježi po rovu da pronađe rupu u koju će se sakriti, dok mu se obojci vuku po nogama?
Trebaće mi za koju sedmicu.

Saburli ofanziva.
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Ne znam bogme poslije par hiljada klipova koji tacno :lol:
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#170081 Re: Ukrajina

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karanana wrote: 19/06/2023 23:13 zvali su ih da se predaju, nisu odgovarali. mozda su prva tri i krenuli da se predaju ali ne predaje se tako sto, iako si nenaoruzan, sutis i hodas po rovu.
Nema predaje, ne znaju gdje su ukri a i trce ostali po oruzje..
Pise u komentarima sve
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#170082 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 20/06/2023 00:26
madner wrote: 19/06/2023 21:57 Jos se ne desava nista bitno kod Kremine. Cilj je vezati ZSU rezerve.
Usudio bih se reci, cilj je i izvuci Ruske rezerve.
Sto se sad desava.
Rusi napadaju kod Kremine da dio ZSU rezervi vezu.
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#170083 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 20/06/2023 00:27
madner wrote: 19/06/2023 22:23
A Defmon i ti znate izvorni plan?

Koliko ja znam, plan se pravi sa određenim marginama događaja i rezultata aktivnosti.
Ako se stvari desavaju unutar tih margina, onda je po planu.
Znamo da je plan bio brzi prodor.

Reci da sve ide po planu je Rusko povlacenje kao znak dobre volje.
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#170084 Re: Ukrajina

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Op op dnevna doza bubova hiljadu orka opet :thumbup:
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#170085 Re: Ukrajina

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Artiljwrija opet i vozila stradaju
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#170086 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 20/06/2023 07:15
Ja finog broja od hiljadarke, a nadam se da ce to ici jos i vise i evo u to ime jedna prigodna za prvoligase i vikendase
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#170087 Re: Ukrajina

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madner wrote: 20/06/2023 07:08 Znamo da je plan bio brzi prodor.
Ovo je prilično samouvjereno reći.
I ništa na svijetu nije upućivalo da je to moguće osim medijskih napisa i hajpa po mrežama.

Za tako nešto bi valjda sva sila išla u jedan klin, a mi imamo situaciju da još nisu ni upotrijebljene sve jedinice, mimo toga što se napada cijeli front od Bahmuta do Vasilivke.

Što je tebi možda dokaz nesposobnosti, a meni upravo dokaz plana da se rezerve izvlače, artiljerija otkriva i skladišta lociraju.
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#170088 Re: Ukrajina

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Baci bomb(on)u uspavaj/topi uljez bandu


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#170089 Re: Ukrajina

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op op rade nove donacije uveliko, padaju aligatori ko kruske :evil:
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#170090 Re: Ukrajina

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kremina pravac krema vdva 76ta bubovi :izet:
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#170091 Re: Ukrajina

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auuuu kakav dronazni bub kroz sajbu hehehe :chmoljava:
nema suza za ove mfkere
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#170092 Re: Ukrajina

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ne moze damn :D

evo ga kraca verzija..
ovo je mod. :izet:
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damn jos ovaj rivnopil nisu skratili. rivnopil ko rivotril..
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#170095 Re: Ukrajina

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ameri zarobili neke orke... :oops:
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#170096 Re: Ukrajina

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legenda je i dalje negdje u "prirodi" :evil: :skoljka:
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#170097 Re: Ukrajina

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Ovdje se bas bubaju, ne znam kakve su ono eksplozije, je li od mina ili bacaju neke bombe.

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#170098 Re: Ukrajina

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Slabo RuSSin ide u vojnike pa bi da prevare strane naivce i one kojima su dali državljanstva
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#170099 Re: Ukrajina

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Instant deratizacija i demobilizacija,...
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#170100 Re: Ukrajina

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"Kyiv is negotiating with Western arms manufacturers on the creation of production on the territory of Ukraine" — Reuters

Pregovaraju o prozivodnim linijama unutar Ukrajine. Ukrajina je zemlja ogromnog potencijala, kakav mordor i pljackaski mentalitet.
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