Nek si ti uletio klizecim sa ne znam.sta hoces da kazesChmoljo wrote: ↑23/05/2023 22:09Nevjerovatno kakve ti gluposti lupas covjece.General War wrote: ↑23/05/2023 20:50
Poludebilno je ovo zakljuciti a samo ne poslusati sta covjek tvrdi, ne ja...vec on...kako u engleskoj postoji zakon tako i u rusiji i svako brani ono sto mu ne godi.
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#163351 Re: Ukrajina
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#163352 Re: Ukrajina
Da lupas gluposti braneci neobranjivo a realno nisi kapacitet.
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#163353 Re: Ukrajina
trenutno svakog libo tuki za Rusijom i šta će Rusija reći.quoter wrote: ↑23/05/2023 21:50Ne znam koliko je pametno ukrajincima da dozvole Legiji da američkim Humveeima ulete u Rusiju sada kad trebaju dobiti F-16 avione a Zelenski dao čvrste garancije da neće napadat Rusiju. Možda su oni zarobljeni na drugim ratištima pa snimljeni kao napad Zapada na Rusiju, ako nisu onda mislim da amerikancima neće biti drago.
Storm Shadow, F-16 hladno odobreni...Joe ih otrese jednom rečenicom ko da su kakvo afričko pleme, a ne nekadašnja supersila.
Što se tiče političkih ciljeva koje je Putler pokušao da ostvari ovom agresijom niti u jednom nije uspio. Štaviše, pokazat će se da je 24.2.2022. godine početak kraja Rusije kakvu smo znali.
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#163354 Re: Ukrajina
Ko je reko, zeko reko
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#163355 Re: Ukrajina
Mogu mislit okupe se oko kandila na svojim forumima i uz standardne floskule bacaju jedan drugom klasicne supljake o uspesima treceg rima boga molec da dobace bar do rumunije 
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#163356 Re: Ukrajina
hvala za ovo, prava stvar, stampanje pa sutra polako prostudiratiČitalac wrote: ↑23/05/2023 20:49 Koga zanimaju ovi duži tekstovi, analiza britanskog instituta RUSI.
https://static.rusi.org/403-SR-Russian- ... -final.pdfThe scale of Russian losses in 2022, combined with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation confronting NATO systems they had not previously contended with, has caused a significant deviation in Russian operations from the country’s doctrine. This report seeks to outline how Russian forces have adapted their tactics in the Ukrainian conflict and the challenges this has created for the Ukrainian military that must be overcome. The report examines Russian military adaptation by combat function.
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#163357 Re: Ukrajina
Bilo kome pa i Rusima ljudi ne mogu biti nebitni. Ginu, invalidi su, traumatizirani i za normalan, zdrav i privredno održiv razvoj društva, podizanje porodice i odgoj potomstva, izgubljeni stotine hiljada relativno mladih ljudi. Nisu to najobrazovaniji ali ima i takvih od pilota, oficira i dr. kadrova u koje je uloženo dosta i umjesto njih sada treba ulagati u druge... Za društvo je to ogromna šteta a što Putlera za tim nije briga ne znači da nije šteta.
Ukrajina jeste razorena ali ni Rusija nije neokrznuta. Unazadili su privredu i društvo za nekoliko decenija ali sada je teško naći izlaz iz kaljuže u koju ih je odveo pogrešan korak. Govorili smo o procjenama i očekivanjima Putlera i njegovog režima i sigurno je da su znali ono što danas znaju i vide ne bi krenuli u ovo ludilo. Oni su najveći krivci a gubitnika je puno ali po svemu sudeći na kraju će oni biti i najveći gubitnici. Veći i od same Ukrajine.
U ovo sam čak siguran kada se dugoročno sagledaju i zbroje sve posljedice ovoga ludila. I ne bi bilo dobro da tako ne bude!
Ukrajina jeste razorena ali ni Rusija nije neokrznuta. Unazadili su privredu i društvo za nekoliko decenija ali sada je teško naći izlaz iz kaljuže u koju ih je odveo pogrešan korak. Govorili smo o procjenama i očekivanjima Putlera i njegovog režima i sigurno je da su znali ono što danas znaju i vide ne bi krenuli u ovo ludilo. Oni su najveći krivci a gubitnika je puno ali po svemu sudeći na kraju će oni biti i najveći gubitnici. Veći i od same Ukrajine.
U ovo sam čak siguran kada se dugoročno sagledaju i zbroje sve posljedice ovoga ludila. I ne bi bilo dobro da tako ne bude!
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#163358 Re: Ukrajina
Jebte deja vu opet nakav djeneral navodi oklopnjak
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#163359 Re: Ukrajina
Pa poredis slobode govora u britaniji i rusiji, a ne znas ni sta podrazumijeva sloboda govora.
Al bitno je da se drzis pisanja uz vjetar, kao ono samo zbog toga si u pravu.
Jesi al u kurcu.
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#163360 Re: Ukrajina
Haha ovi Rusisticko fasisticki cetnici se malo vise zbunili u Rusiji, nemaju pojma sta da rade
Gle djenerala, navodi muzejski primjer haha
Gle djenerala, navodi muzejski primjer haha
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#163361 Re: Ukrajina
Tebi nema spasa karanana. Ti i dalje gledas ruske vijesti i vjerujes u to.
Ovaj tvit Aldina koji si prenio je ocigledno izreziran. Auto izgorjelo, ali se neko potrudio da napise na njemu "za Bahmut". Nakon sto je izgorio naravno.
A Rusi taj grad zovu Artemjovsk.
Drugo toliko stete, a nigdje krvi.
Trece, raznesen tovarni dio hamvija, a oko njega samo nekakve dascice. I inaca okolina unistenih vozila izgleda kao da je neko samo bacao stvari, osim ovog spaljenog pickupa. Kojeg su spalili nalicu mjesta, a zatim napisali "za Bahmut"
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#163362 Re: Ukrajina
jesu li ovo isti hamviji?
izgleda da su upali u nekakav jarak a ne pogodjeni granatom

izgleda da su upali u nekakav jarak a ne pogodjeni granatom
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#163363 Re: Ukrajina
Hameri su bolji, citave gume, kupole itd itd ali su nekako zavrsiti u krateru.
Jel ih neko parkirao ili je tu bila neka eksplozija koja je mogla napraviti tako velik rater ali ne napraviti nikakvu stetu na vozilima.
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#163364 Re: Ukrajina
THE TENDENCY IN much of the international discourse surrounding the Russian military
has been to write it off as tactically inept, technically deficient and morally broken. These
criticisms have more than a grain of truth to them. Nevertheless, they tend to extrapolate
from the performance of certain Russian units to the whole force. Alongside their deficiencies,
Russian forces have demonstrated that much of their equipment is effective, highly lethal and
adaptable to a range of threats. While there are serious deficiencies in Russian capabilities,
these are most pronounced in conducting offensive operations. Conversely, many of Russia’s
combat support arms have not only demonstrated reasonable proficiency but have also shown
that they are able to adapt to emerging threats.
Although Russian forces have started to resolve a range of tactical challenges besetting their
forces, it is noteworthy that many of these adaptations are reactive. The role specialisation of
infantry has been driven by an inability to train enough troops, not by proactive force design.
The acceleration and simplification of fire control has been driven by failing to deliver effective
responsive fires early in the war. It thus remains unclear the extent to which these adaptations
will become permanent aspects of the Russian military. It is also evident that as an institution
the Russian military continues to fail to anticipate new threats. Air defence units, for example,
show a growing proficiency against threats over time, but the introduction of any new strike
system or tactics on the Ukrainian side usually causes a period of disruption and friendly fire.
Most of all it is evident that the Russian military is systematically struggling to coordinate
different functions; this can be exploited. The callousness of Russian approaches towards its
own personnel continues to ensure that they underperform versus their potential, usually
because of poor unit cohesion.
The critical capability underpinning the Russian military remains its fires. Here, it is less clear that
its approach is sustainable, or that the pace of adaptation is sufficiently fast. Ultimately Russia
has used its massive stockpile of ammunition in a highly inefficient manner and is exceeding
its manufacturing rate as regards both shells and barrels. Firepower has been employed by
the Russian military as a crutch to compensate for its tactical shortcomings in other areas. If
the weight of salvo the Russian military can generate diminishes then it is not at all clear that
Russia’s infantry can effectively hold ground. Perhaps the greatest danger for Ukraine, therefore,
as regards the longer term trajectory of Russian forces, is if another country provides tooling
and workers to establish additional production capacity in Russia for munitions and barrels.
Dakle zakljucak, odma na kraj
has been to write it off as tactically inept, technically deficient and morally broken. These
criticisms have more than a grain of truth to them. Nevertheless, they tend to extrapolate
from the performance of certain Russian units to the whole force. Alongside their deficiencies,
Russian forces have demonstrated that much of their equipment is effective, highly lethal and
adaptable to a range of threats. While there are serious deficiencies in Russian capabilities,
these are most pronounced in conducting offensive operations. Conversely, many of Russia’s
combat support arms have not only demonstrated reasonable proficiency but have also shown
that they are able to adapt to emerging threats.
Although Russian forces have started to resolve a range of tactical challenges besetting their
forces, it is noteworthy that many of these adaptations are reactive. The role specialisation of
infantry has been driven by an inability to train enough troops, not by proactive force design.
The acceleration and simplification of fire control has been driven by failing to deliver effective
responsive fires early in the war. It thus remains unclear the extent to which these adaptations
will become permanent aspects of the Russian military. It is also evident that as an institution
the Russian military continues to fail to anticipate new threats. Air defence units, for example,
show a growing proficiency against threats over time, but the introduction of any new strike
system or tactics on the Ukrainian side usually causes a period of disruption and friendly fire.
Most of all it is evident that the Russian military is systematically struggling to coordinate
different functions; this can be exploited. The callousness of Russian approaches towards its
own personnel continues to ensure that they underperform versus their potential, usually
because of poor unit cohesion.
The critical capability underpinning the Russian military remains its fires. Here, it is less clear that
its approach is sustainable, or that the pace of adaptation is sufficiently fast. Ultimately Russia
has used its massive stockpile of ammunition in a highly inefficient manner and is exceeding
its manufacturing rate as regards both shells and barrels. Firepower has been employed by
the Russian military as a crutch to compensate for its tactical shortcomings in other areas. If
the weight of salvo the Russian military can generate diminishes then it is not at all clear that
Russia’s infantry can effectively hold ground. Perhaps the greatest danger for Ukraine, therefore,
as regards the longer term trajectory of Russian forces, is if another country provides tooling
and workers to establish additional production capacity in Russia for munitions and barrels.
Dakle zakljucak, odma na kraj
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#163365 Re: Ukrajina
The first obstacle for Ukrainian forces is winning the indirect fires duel. In the face of enemy
artillery dominance, offensive manoeuvre is extremely costly. Ukraine’s international partners
have provided a large number of artillery systems and the country is receiving a consistent
supply of ammunition, although the natures provided do not always reflect the balance
of calibres available to the AFU. However, the real issue is that the priority for provisioning
Ukrainian artillery for defence has left its fires system lopsided in its capabilities. Ukrainian
artillery has ample means to blunt Russian advances, with an effective fire control architecture
and the ability to coordinate engagements from multiple dispersed guns. However, suppression
of a superior number of Russian artillery systems requires counterbattery capabilities to rapidlydetect and engage enemy firing positions. It is evident that if Ukrainian forces are to set the
conditions in any sector for offensive action, its international partners should prioritise the
provision of detection systems for directing counterbattery fire.
Dakle sta ce biti najveci problem ukrima , a sta smo vidjeli danas u onom dnevnom izvjestaju ork gubitaka 40vart komada unisteno
artillery dominance, offensive manoeuvre is extremely costly. Ukraine’s international partners
have provided a large number of artillery systems and the country is receiving a consistent
supply of ammunition, although the natures provided do not always reflect the balance
of calibres available to the AFU. However, the real issue is that the priority for provisioning
Ukrainian artillery for defence has left its fires system lopsided in its capabilities. Ukrainian
artillery has ample means to blunt Russian advances, with an effective fire control architecture
and the ability to coordinate engagements from multiple dispersed guns. However, suppression
of a superior number of Russian artillery systems requires counterbattery capabilities to rapidlydetect and engage enemy firing positions. It is evident that if Ukrainian forces are to set the
conditions in any sector for offensive action, its international partners should prioritise the
provision of detection systems for directing counterbattery fire.
Dakle sta ce biti najveci problem ukrima , a sta smo vidjeli danas u onom dnevnom izvjestaju ork gubitaka 40vart komada unisteno
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#163366 Re: Ukrajina
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#163367 Re: Ukrajina
ja sam zabrinut
treba biti objektivan i reci da ga rusi puse lagano
treba biti objektivan i reci da ga rusi puse lagano
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#163368 Re: Ukrajina
Ocito to niko ne zna najbolje osim tebe i jos pokojeg ovdje...eno imas link pa se obrati gospodinu pa mu objasni
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#163369 Re: Ukrajina
Znaci ipak su napustena po ovim slikama.
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#163370 Re: Ukrajina
De se dogovorite vise sami sa sobom, jesu li ukrainci borci ili picke koje bjeze bez da ikad i jedno vozilo im se onesposobi ili ne daj boze da koga ubode iverak a ne metak...jer kako objasniti otkud rusi jos u ukraini a ne obratnodrug_profi wrote: ↑23/05/2023 22:31Tebi nema spasa karanana. Ti i dalje gledas ruske vijesti i vjerujes u to.
Ovaj tvit Aldina koji si prenio je ocigledno izreziran. Auto izgorjelo, ali se neko potrudio da napise na njemu "za Bahmut". Nakon sto je izgorio naravno.
A Rusi taj grad zovu Artemjovsk.
Drugo toliko stete, a nigdje krvi.
Trece, raznesen tovarni dio hamvija, a oko njega samo nekakve dascice. I inaca okolina unistenih vozila izgleda kao da je neko samo bacao stvari, osim ovog spaljenog pickupa. Kojeg su spalili nalicu mjesta, a zatim napisali "za Bahmut"
Ja bih se zapitao ko ovdje pusi propagandu
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#163371 Re: Ukrajina
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#163372 Re: Ukrajina
Opet neke eksplozije po Belgorod-u.
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#163373 Re: Ukrajina
Pri tom na hamvijima nikavih oznaka, ali pise za Bahmut...
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#163374 Re: Ukrajina
Obrati se migrantima koji bjeze iz britanije i trce u rusiju da uzivaju u slobodama koje im nudi.General War wrote: ↑23/05/2023 22:41Ocito to niko ne zna najbolje osim tebe i jos pokojeg ovdje...eno imas link pa se obrati gospodinu pa mu objasni
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#163375 Re: Ukrajina
Ma zipa prasine niej niko upalio vozilo ihaja
Sajops dzaba krece alanfordasi
Sajops dzaba krece alanfordasi
