Ukrajina
- SmokingMan
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#140126 Re: Ukrajina
Kolikio ima istine u tome da se Zjelenski prije sastanka sa Joeom, lično sreo sa Moscow Mitchom oko toga da se ukrajini omogući da pristupi zaplijenjenoj imovini ruskih oligarha?
- agent_zero
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#140127 Re: Ukrajina
Ništa ti ja od tog nemam, to je za mlađariju.
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sumirprimus
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#140128 Re: Ukrajina
vjerovatno mislis na miča mkonela republikanskog senatora, ima slika gdje se sasato i sa njim pored nensi pelosi i jos nekih senatora.SmokingMan wrote: ↑30/12/2022 10:13 Kolikio ima istine u tome da se Zjelenski prije sastanka sa Joeom, lično sreo sa Moscow Mitchom oko toga da se ukrajini omogući da pristupi zaplijenjenoj imovini ruskih oligarha?
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#140129 Re: Ukrajina
Ma da, ja njega dugo već zovem Moscow Mitch. Vidio jutros rano vijest, pa da vidim koliko tu ima istine a koliko ne.sumirprimus wrote: ↑30/12/2022 10:18vjerovatno mislis na miča mkonela republikanskog senatora, ima slika gdje se sasato i sa njim pored nensi pelosi i jos nekih senatora.SmokingMan wrote: ↑30/12/2022 10:13 Kolikio ima istine u tome da se Zjelenski prije sastanka sa Joeom, lično sreo sa Moscow Mitchom oko toga da se ukrajini omogući da pristupi zaplijenjenoj imovini ruskih oligarha?
- DaysleepeR
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#140130 Re: Ukrajina
definitivno živimo u vremenu skyneta i terminatora gdje vojnik na bojnom polju u zadnjim trenucima života gleda u hladno oko drona
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zigzag
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#140131 Re: Ukrajina
Nije baš robot ali ovo je za zamisliti se.
- Ironmen
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#140132 Re: Ukrajina
Narod u BiH tekso zivi, mediji ih bombarduju svaki dan da su im osnovne zivotne namirnice poskupile radi rata u Ukrajini i sankcijama Rusiji, iz tog razloga imamo danas da je 80% ljudi u BiH na strani Rusije i Putine.
- animus
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#140133 Re: Ukrajina
Gdje si ti našao taj procenat volio bi znati. Ja ne znam nikoga da navija za Ruse osim osoba iz RS.
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#140134 Re: Ukrajina
Konzervativni Bošnjaci su također skloni tome. Neki dan na pitanje kojem se predsjedniku divite, jedna pokrivena iz publike izvali - Putinu.
Zašto? Jer se bori protiv zapada. Eto to je taj domet.
Generalno jako desno orijentisani su na tom fonu.
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#140135 Re: Ukrajina
Ukraine War, 30 December 2022
Good morning everybody!
Chances are slim because, gauging by the news of the last two-three days, a lot is going on in Ukraine, but: I hope this will be my last ‘update’ or ‘summary’ (whichever way you like it) for this year. I might manage to continue my ‘air warfare update’, tomorrow or the day later.
Up front, and for those still fearing some sort of a ‘Russian re-invasion from Belarus’: according to the Head of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine, the number of VSRF troops deployed inside Belarus increased to about 10,200. That’s far too little for any kind of a new offensive — on Kyiv, for example — even if this would be supported by the entire armed forces of Belarus (which I do not expect to happen).
But, it is enough to keep Ukrainians on their toes, and force the GenStab-U into holding several brigades back, instead of sending them as reinforcements to the Donbass…
AIR/MISSILE WARFARE
The last Ukrainian attack on the Engels AB (see my previous report), seem to have resulted in the death of three VKS technicians, all associated with Tu-160 bombers. That said, no major damage on the base or its facilities has been identified on commercial satellite photographs available so far.
RUMINT has it, the Russians then shot down their own Su-24 — while their air defences were firing at incoming Ukrainian UAVs. Of course, this remains unconfirmed.
The last three days, Putin/Surovikin are running something like ‘around the clock’ missile offensive on Ukraine. During the night from 28 to 29 December, they have deployed Iranian-made Shahed-131/136 LPGMs to target the Ukrainian power grid in the Dnipropetrovsk and Odesa Oblasts. Five were shot down over the former, while some of those underway to the latter hit a TPP operated by the DTEK (for 22nd time). The facility is still out of service.
A much more massive attack took place early on 29 December, when a total of 69 cruise missiles (including 6 Kh-22s and Kh-32s, Kh-31Ps, Kh-101s — some of these manufactured only recently — and Kh-555s, and sea-launched Kalibrs), 11 Iranian-made Shahed-131/136 LPGMs, and a number of S-300 SAMs were deployed starting around 07.00hrs local time, to strike infrastructure facilities in 10 oblasts of Ukraine.
As usually, there was a fierce reaction from Ukrainian air defences: all 11 LPGMs and 54–58 other missiles were claimed as shot down — five of the latter by MANPADS. One of Ukrainian S-300s crashed near the village of Harbacha, in Brest Oblast of Belarus.
Minsk promptly declared this for a ‘provocation’, making me wonder what is Lukashenko calling it when he lets two Russian armies invade Ukraine from his country…? ‘Kindergarten party’….?!?
In the Lviv Oblast, Ukrainian air defences shot down four out of six incoming missiles. The other two hit a power substation, knocking out electricity for Lviv and some 290 towns and villages around it. In Kyiv, a series of detonations was heard from two districts and Ukrainians claimed a total of 16 incoming missiles as shot down, before it became known that at least one industrial facility and several elements of the power grid have been hit. Three people were injured. No less than 21 incoming missiles were claimed as shot down over the Odesa Oblast, indicating that the air defences there have been significantly bolstered. However, enough Russian missiles came through to hit ’10 object of critical infrastructure’: see power plants and different elements of the power grid in the Kyiv and Odessa area. Have no doubt, this is further worsening the already dire electricity situation in much of the country. There are water-supply-problems in Lviv, Kyiv, and Odesa, too.
Additionally, the Russians fired over 50 rockets each into the Sumy and Kharkiv Oblasts, on 29 December alone. At least one civilian was killed in Kharkiv, and the metro has been stopped. Kherson and Nikopol are constantly rocketed, too: about a dozen of people were wounded when the Russians hit a maternity ward in Kherson, while in Nikopol, the Russians damaged a gas pipeline and are doing their best to destroy the local elements of the power grid.
During the night from 29 to 30 December, the Russians launched a stream of Shahed-131/136 LPGMs over south-eastern Ukraine. Air-raid sirens were sounded at 23.48hrs local time in Kirovohrad, Dnipropetrovsk, and in the Zaporizhzhya Oblasts: Ukrainians claimed 10–12 as shot down (five of these over the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, seven over the Kyiv Oblast), and all-clear was sounded around 00.29hrs of 30 December.
In turn, the GenStab-U reported a series of HIMARS-strikes on Russian headquarters and supply depots in Tokmak, Tytove, Chernihivka, Pology, and Berdyansk — all of these in southern Zaporizhzhya. There are lots of reports about M142s running intensive barrages on Russian field headquarters and troop concentrations in the Bakhmut area.
Think that everybody’s free to gauge for him/herself which of two ‘fighting methods’ is more effective….
Ah yes, and: a video surfaced shown the Russians blowing up a Ka-52 that made emergency landing — apparently, ‘too close for comfort’ to the Ukrainian positions.
BATTLE OF DONBASS
Kupyansk-Svatove… There are lots of reports about fighting in the forest between Hryanykivka and Tavilzhanka, east of Dvorichne. Apparently, Ukrainians are pushing through this forest on Tavilzhanka, the Russians are shelling them; the Russians counterattacked into that forest, and Ukrainians are shelling them…
Further south, Ukrainian presence (92nd Airborne) inside Pidkuichansk was confirmed again: the Russians are counterattacking the place and the local section of the P07/P66 from the north now (from Kuzemivka and Kryvoshyivka).
Another dozen of kilometres further south: the Russians are also attacking Andriivka from the Dzherelne area.
Kremina….Something like the ‘biggest news’ of the last two days is the — reported/supposed — ‘liberation of Kremina’. Correspondingly, ZSU should have breached the Russian defences and is mopping up already for two days. Sorry, so far, haven’t received or found any kind of confirmation for this: as afar as I can say, there is bitter fighting in the forests north and south of the town, and Ukrainians are making slow advances, but they’re not inside Kremina, yet.
Siversk…two days ago, reports began surfacing about ‘liberation of Bilohorivka’. The one on the Siversky Donets. No idea what should this mean, then the place was under Ukrainian control for something like month. At least.
Bakhmut… gauging by reports in the Ukrainian social media, the VSRF is back to…. well, at least trying to deploy main battle tanks in the Bakhmut area, again. Apparently from the area of Yakovlivka in direction of Vesele, due north, and Rozdolivka, north-west. So far, without much success. A little bit strange ‘tactics’ there: Yakovlivka was taken (at immense cost) in order to ‘outflank’ Soledar and thus Bakhmut from the north. But now, after all the attacks on Soledar from the north, they’re attacking further north….? Hm…
BTW, closer to Bakhmut, and as far as can be meanwhile said, the Russians — although claiming they have advanced closer on Pidhorodne — seem to have lost even the control that petrol station at the joint of M-03 and T1302 highways. They might be on its eastern side, with Ukrainians on the western. A ‘minor’ battle there, but a very important one, and also one both sides are going to remember for generations.
Finally, the Wagner spent the last two days to run repeated assaults into Opytne, and to bypass this suburb to the west, yesterday. This was quite a successful attack after all: brought them up to the town centre, and pushed Ukrainians back to the area of the Mahazyn 24 supermarket.
South of Optyne, Wagner’s convicts spent the last two days assaulting Klishchivka…at such a high price, I’m lacking words to describe that massacre any more…
With other words: Bakhmut remains firmly under Ukrainian control. Even if there are days when the ZSU suffers over 100 ‘wounded in action’, the fact is that the Russians are losing 5–6 times that many killed troops, while the CASEVAC/MEDEVAC on the Ukrainian side is functioning ever better. Under these conditions, I simply see no way for Putin, Surovikin, or St Peter and Paul to change anything.
Avdiivka…. think, this video (shown strikes by LPGMs deployed by teh Ukrainian Omega SF-unit) is summarising it nicely.
Marinka…Finally, the last two days, the Russians are shelling and assaulting on the entire length of the frontline from Krasnohorivka down to Pobieda, north and south of Marinka (south-west of Donetsk). Might have made some advances measured in dozens of metres, too.
SNIPING
This one, ‘for the records’: word is that the world-record in long-range sniping shot stands at some 3,540m, and was scored in Iraq. Ukrainians are reporting that their sniper from the 73rd Naval Centre for Special Forces scored a kill from 2,710m, which is a record in this war. (Spavas li mirno Bericu?)
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furlan
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#140136 Re: Ukrajina
Slikali ga za chitulju.DaysleepeR wrote: ↑30/12/2022 11:23definitivno živimo u vremenu skyneta i terminatora gdje vojnik na bojnom polju u zadnjim trenucima života gleda u hladno oko drona
- Optimus09
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#140137 Re: Ukrajina
Ne znam u kojem filmu sam gledao,rece tip ako vidite da ce me zarobiti,ubijte me,bolje i to nego da netu gledaju kako mi sijeku glavu.DaysleepeR wrote: ↑30/12/2022 11:23definitivno živimo u vremenu skyneta i terminatora gdje vojnik na bojnom polju u zadnjim trenucima života gleda u hladno oko drona
Ovako kad vidim,bespomocno lezis i cekas kad ce te u komade raznijeti,jebeno.
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zigzag
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#140138 Re: Ukrajina
Ovaj je mogao birati.
I oni što leže oko njega.
Al jbg, velika država. Ne pitaš puno je li ispravno. Kad te pošalje ideš. Ovca pa ovca.
Lijepo je vidjeti da domaća goveda podržavaju ovu agresiju.
I oni što leže oko njega.
Al jbg, velika država. Ne pitaš puno je li ispravno. Kad te pošalje ideš. Ovca pa ovca.
Lijepo je vidjeti da domaća goveda podržavaju ovu agresiju.
- Optimus09
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#140139 Re: Ukrajina
Imam na fejsbuku dvojicu Bosnjaka koji se dive Rusiji,sve Zapad ovo,Zapad ono.drug_profi wrote: ↑30/12/2022 13:45Konzervativni Bošnjaci su također skloni tome. Neki dan na pitanje kojem se predsjedniku divite, jedna pokrivena iz publike izvali - Putinu.
Zašto? Jer se bori protiv zapada. Eto to je taj domet.
Generalno jako desno orijentisani su na tom fonu.
Obojica na Zapadu rade.
Ja bih takve vratio u njihovu domovinu i zabranio im ulazak u eu.
- Čitalac
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#140140 Re: Ukrajina
Zanimljivo je da su najveći kritičari Ukrajine i poštovaoci Rusije na Zapadu takozvani tradicionalni katolici, grupacija o kojoj nisam mnogo ni znao do početka ovog rata. Oni prihvataju samo misu na latinskom, oštro osuđuju aktuelnog papu i poprilično su aktivni u SAD. Argumenti su da je Putin "čuvar tradicije" i što je najvažnije „protivnik LGBT i gender ideologije itd“, a da je Zelenski promoter svega toga i „diktator koji zabranjuje religiju“. To oprilike ovako izgleda...
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#140142 Re: Ukrajina
Malo o tome "what air defense doing".
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zigzag
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#140144 Re: Ukrajina
Šta Ajnur zna gdje je Ukrajina.
- animus
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#140145 Re: Ukrajina
Vjeruj da poznajem dosta širok spektar ljudi. Od konzervativaca tj bas religiji okrenutih ljudi do ekstremnih lijevicara. Niti jedan od njih nije bio proruski orijentisan. Cak su mi ovi pravi vjernici bili izraziti protiv Rusa i kada pricaju o Ukrajinu onda su bas sretni što Rusi ginu. Hrvati isto tako. Jedino gdje Rusi imaju podršku su Srbi iz RSa mada i tamo sam vidio da nije jednoglasna.drug_profi wrote: ↑30/12/2022 13:45Konzervativni Bošnjaci su također skloni tome. Neki dan na pitanje kojem se predsjedniku divite, jedna pokrivena iz publike izvali - Putinu.
Zašto? Jer se bori protiv zapada. Eto to je taj domet.
Generalno jako desno orijentisani su na tom fonu.
Nije im uspjela propaganda u koju su slupali milione. Ono šta me je jedino iznenadilo su naši ljudi na zapadu koji su bili za Putina. Mada je i to manjina tih ljudi
- Ironmen
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#140146 Re: Ukrajina
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zigzag
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#140147 Re: Ukrajina
zar ti misliš da malorusi ne koriste "usluge komentarisanja na kliksu"?
- apsidejzi
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#140148 Re: Ukrajina
Za omladinu koja gaji iluzije i romantizira rat, evo jedan video da pokaze stvarnost rata. U pitanju je pomor ruskih vojnika i ovaj jedan prezivjeli sa izrazom horora i pokajanja na svom licu. Kada sam ja imao 19 godina, htio sam ici u armiju, biti dobrovoljac tamo vamo. ROmantizirao sam junastvo i herojstvo a u ratu nema junaka i heroja. Ima samo bol i patnja. Heroje i junake stvaraju vladajuce strukture nakon rata kako bi privlacili nove omladince u svoje redove. Trebalo je sprditi jos par desetljeca da to skontam i ja sebe sve sutam nogom u guzicu od dragosti sto nisam imao priliku da budem dobrovoljac. U mojim 20tim srecom nije bilo nikakvih ratova. Sad me niko ne bi mogao nagovoriti da ratujem u necije ime. Evo i razlog:
Zao mi je ovog ruskog vojnika ali jbg, gledaj sad ako mozes da se izvuces nekako do svojih i nikada se vise ne vracaj. Putin koji te poslao, lijepo spava u toplom krevetu.
Zao mi je ovog ruskog vojnika ali jbg, gledaj sad ako mozes da se izvuces nekako do svojih i nikada se vise ne vracaj. Putin koji te poslao, lijepo spava u toplom krevetu.
- animus
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#140149 Re: Ukrajina
Ne da koriste nego je nekima to i posao. Cesto se neki pro BiH komentar zalijepi negativnim komentarima dok ovi pro Srpski budu top komentari. Zato su meni komentari na klixu nerelevantni. Ni blizu stanju misli naseg naroda.
- apsidejzi
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#140150 Re: Ukrajina
U picku matarnu al ih raznese
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