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#135876 Re: Ukrajina

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lajkujMe wrote: 21/11/2022 12:30 Malo je konfuzan tekst




Nisam siguran u znacenje

Ili se boje da ce Iran dostaviti balisticke rakete i gadjati Ukrajinu

Ili kazu da ce Izrael dostaviti dalekometne projektile Ukrajini ako Iran bude dostavio svoje
Pa ne znam koja verzija je sad ispravna
Da savjetnik za nacionalnu bezbjednost Izraela je to rekao ako je tacno Hulta.

To je ono o cemu pricamo Rusi ne mogu sami odrzati nivo proizvodnje dalekometnih raketa na duze staze i ako ih se sprijeci da dobiju te rakete iz Irana onda nece moci dugorocno bombardovati infrastrukturu po Ukrajini, a Ukrajinci vec ostaju, nemaju i ne mogu proizvesti nove kolicine kalibr, neptuna i slicno, USA im nece poslati rakete dugog dometa ali Izrael se izgleda ne boji "zamjeriti" Rusiji u slucaju da im Iran proda svoje. U biti poruka vise poslana Moskvi nego Iranu....Izrael ako posalje svoje Dilajle GL dometa 250 kilometara koje u metar pogadjaju ciljeve kao Himars bilo bi "veselo" u Belgorodskoj oblasti a i dalje na Krimu...
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#135877 Re: Ukrajina

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Apropo ruske avijacije, upravo objavljeno.
THE RUSSIAN AEROSPACE FORCES RECEIVED A BATCH OF SU-30SM2 AND YAK-130 AIRCRAFT, THE NEXT BATCH WILL BE TRANSFERRED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR
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#135878 Re: Ukrajina

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#135879 Re: Ukrajina

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Najbolji posao u RUS armiji... Brojac Himarisanih lokacija...

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#135880 Re: Ukrajina

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drug_profi wrote: 21/11/2022 13:28
Ovo je ona taktika od pocetka, manje borbene grupe, sad sa artijerijom razore pozadinu rusa i komandna mjesta, ubace se diverzantske grupe i u ruskim redovima nastaje haos, bjezanija i predaja.Prosto ruska skola ne moze i nema sanse protiv ove taktike, rusi moraju izmjeniti kompletnu vojnu infrastrukturu komande da bi parirali ovoj taktici.Kod Ukra komandir desetine, voda, cete ima individualnost da sa stanjem na terenu organizuje, napad, odbranu ili povlacenje.Kod rusa, komanda mora doci iz samog vrha komande.Tu su sati a i dani u pitanju sto Ukrima daje ogromni manevarsku prednost.
A i vojnici se osjecaju puno odlucnijim i vaznijim kad im das da svojim zivotima upravljaju oni a ne tamo neki stabski oficircic, u glanc uniformi, osisan i obrijan, najeden,i sit i sa deset potrckala i poltrona oko sebe kojih boli qurac za ljude na fronti.
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#135881 Re: Ukrajina

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pici wrote: 21/11/2022 14:53
drug_profi wrote: 21/11/2022 13:28
Ovo je ona taktika od pocetka, manje borbene grupe, sad sa artijerijom razore pozadinu rusa i komandna mjesta, ubace se diverzantske grupe i u ruskim redovima nastaje haos, bjezanija i predaja.Prosto ruska skola ne moze i nema sanse protiv ove taktike, rusi moraju izmjeniti kompletnu vojnu infrastrukturu komande da bi parirali ovoj taktici.Kod Ukra komandir desetine, voda, cete ima individualnost da sa stanjem na terenu organizuje, napad, odbranu ili povlacenje.Kod rusa, komanda mora doci iz samog vrha komande.Tu su sati a i dani u pitanju sto Ukrima daje ogromni manevarsku prednost.
A i vojnici se osjecaju puno odlucnijim i vaznijim kad im das da svojim zivotima upravljaju oni a ne tamo neki stabski oficircic, u glanc uniformi, osisan i obrijan, najeden,i sit i sa deset potrckala i poltrona oko sebe kojih boli qurac za ljude na fronti.
Tako vec neko vrijeme fecera UA.
Ne racunajuci sad velike ofanzive naravno gdje se sve ove male cete spajaju u veliku formaciju.
Ali je velika prednost za AFU sto ne moraju za sve zvati komandu nego mogu sami odluciti sta i kako unutar pravila koju je komanda postavila
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#135882 Re: Ukrajina

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Jel bilo reakcija iz RSa za minobacace?
Nesto su tihi ko misevi :skoljka:
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#135883 Re: Ukrajina

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Uglavnom od ukra imamo selame za minobacace a sta vele manje cetnitetlije, to nikog ne zaboli ni lijevo jaje, nek salju dobrovoljce na Avdiku i Bakhmut, da se oduze ruskim dobrovoljcima u stvaranju etnicki ciste PC tvorevine.
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#135884 Re: Ukrajina

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Kakva je moralna borbenost prosječnog Rusa kad to sve vidi...jbg bježe svi iz države, ko ne može bježati a odbije u rat,najebe..ili ako se hoće predati... Uvjeren sam da mnogo njih ide na prvu liniju čisto "reda radi", da bi se kao vidjelo da ratuju a vamo gleda prvu priliku da zbriše.
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#135885 Re: Ukrajina

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Kako je malo dosadno, evo vam ideja za moj rodjendan, ili za Novu, da ne pisem pismo Deda-Mrazu. Ovo mi je zelja:

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#135886 Re: Ukrajina

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jbt, mali Luxembourg hoće da pomogne, to samo dodatno pokazuje koliko su rusi velika vreća vanago, kad najmiroljubivije zemlje svijeta šalju opremu kontra njih
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#135887 Re: Ukrajina

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Nato nastavlja tetkasto ko mlohava k......
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vrlo smo blizu malog jubileja, taman dok se Sumir vrati iz banovića, biće 1500 oficirskih suncokreta
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jedan zločinac manje, ime mu sve govori
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#135890 Re: Ukrajina

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KO JE IZA RYBAR Telegram kanala :shock:
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https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/18 ... hind-rybar
Who's behind Rybar? The Bell unmasks one of Telegram's most widely-cited pro-Kremlin military analysis channels
Kompletnu operaciju rada Rybar kanala na telegramu je finansirao Prigorzhin.

Rybar, a pro-Kremlin military analysis channel on Telegram, has been cited by the world's top news agencies, and it's easy to understand why: the channel seems to have access to a wide network of informants whose claims are difficult to ignore, if impossible to verify. But despite its influence, Rybar's administrators have remained anonymous throughout the war. In a new investigation, however, journalists from the independent Russian news outlet The Bell uncovered key information about the channel's creators, its funding, and its contributors. In English, Meduza summarizes their findings.
The independent Russian news outlet The Bell has released a new investigation into the people behind the pro-Kremlin Telegram channel Rybar, which covers the war in Ukraine. Since the start of the war, the channel has gained almost 1.1 million subscribers. As The Bell notes in the article, Rybar publishes detailed battlefield updates and maps, as well as the coordinates of Ukrainian positions and Ukrainian strategic objects. According to the channel’s administrators, they run the channel “to facilitate the work of the allied forces.”

Rybar has been cited by CNN, Bloomberg, and even the Institute for the Study of War, among other organizations. At the same time, according to The Bell, Rybar is the only one of Russia’s most popular military Telegram channels whose owners have managed to remain anonymous.

After The Bell’s investigation was published, Rybar itself published the following message:

Everything secret eventually comes to light. We’ve been found out. We suggest acquainting yourself with this fascinating fantasy story. We’ve like to use the occasion to ask the non-profit organization “Russia – Land of Opportunity” to open a window of opportunity for us and pay us what our services are worth — and to ask [Russian Defense Ministry spokesman] Igor Yevgenyevich Konashenkov to finally pay for the mobilization ads.

Ties to Prigozhin

In March 2020, Rybar’s creators themselves announced that there were two of them: one “military interpreter [and] OSINT specialist” and one “political strategist, a member of the old aristocracy.” The figures claimed to have “specific experience and knowledge, thanks to which we can allow ourselves to mock the level of military-analytical expertise in Russia and the post-Soviet space.” They worked, they said, “in the field of information warfare and counterpropaganda in the name of the interests of the Russian state.”

According to The Bell, Rybar’s self-proclaimed “political strategist [and] member of the old aristocracy” is a man named Denis Shchukin.
The Bell's correspondent came across his account in a chat group called Rybarnaya No. 1, which was created at the same time as the original Rybar channel to provide a platform for the channel’s most active subscribers to communicate with its administrators.

Denis Shchukin is registered on Telegram under the username @real_pike. In the chat group with Rybar subscribers, he referred to himself as one of Rybar’s administrators. He also told users that he’s German, and described his profession as “rather like a manager, but also a political scientist.” In fact, according to the Bell, Shchukin is a 44-year-old programmer from Moscow.

The Bell contacted Shchukin through Telegram. In response to questions about Rybar’s work and creators, he said the following:

At this stage, it makes no sense. I’m not going to deanonymize our employees and give away something that could be used against us; after all, that’s what you need (as your outlet is a liberal one). So sorry, but no. Thanks for talking.


In the Rybarnaya No. 1 group, The Bell’s correspondent discovered one other former chat administrator with the nickname RD and the username @rea1_pike, which is almost identical to Shchukin’s. In the chat, RD called himself the owner of Rybar and communicated with subscribers in Arabic. He also said he was from Vladivostok, graduated from the Russian Defense Ministry’s Military University, and served long tours in Syria and Iraq.

According to The Bell, the similarity between Denis Shchukin and RD’s usernames suggests that both accounts belong to the same person; on the other hand, the accounts sometimes communicate with one another in the chat. In addition, their purported biographies don’t align, and their posts in the group differ in style. The Bell’s correspondent tried to contact RD, but did not receive a response.

The Bell also concluded that Rybar’s list of contributors may include Abbas Juma, a “war correspondent” for the Federal News Agency (RIA FAN), a pro-Kremlin news outlet with links to oligarch Evgeny Prigozhin and his troll farm the Internet Research Agency. Juma speaks both Arabic and English as well as Russian.


Journalists from The Bell also found two Rybar moderators in the Rybarnaya No. 1 chat group. One of them uses the ID @Poumpoum and is addressed in the chat as both “Louie” and “Louis.” According to the Bell’s correspondent, the user likely lives in France and runs the Telegram channel ZZ.OZ.ZOZZ (4,500 followers), which publishes French translations of Rybar’s posts and assists Rybar by monitoring French-language resources. Louie did not respond to The Bell’s questions.

The other moderator, named Olga, has the username @owlgasova and appears to live in St. Petersburg. According to The Bell’s investigation, in addition to her administrative work for Rybar, Olga tracks military developments related to Turkey. In response to questions from The Bell’s correspondent, she said, “You have me confused with somebody else. I have no connection to Rybar, and I am extremely wary of your outlet’s activities. I ask you not to bother me again.”


Piquing the feds' interest

In 2019, about a year after Rybar was launched, it caught the attention of oligarch Evgeny Prigozhin, an employee of Prigohzin’s Patriot Media Group told The Bell. Prigozhin started providing funding to the channel, and from June 2020 until August 2021, Rybar wrote a column on the Federal News Agency website, as well as providing commentary for the Federal News Agency’s podcast International FAN. According to the source, editors at the Federal News Agency knew the contributor from Rybar as Denis, and were told he had worked as a military interpreter in Arab countries.

The source told The Bell that in addition to collaborating to develop the Rybar channel, Shchukin and Prigozhin worked together to “perform certain tasks” that were in the interests of the oligarch’s own businesses, though the source was unable to specify what these tasks consisted of. Ultimately, however, Shchukin was unable to hold up his end of the bargain, the source said, and Prigozhin revoked Rybar’s funding.

According to The Bell’s investigation, Rybar also earns money from advertising by publishing posts from “approved clients.” A source who runs a different anonymous Telegram channel and who is in touch with Rybar’s creators journalists that Shchukin has accrued a large enough pool of advertisers to fund the channel’s work.

The source told The Bell that the cost of a single advertisement in Rybar starts at 200,000 rubles ($3,300), and that the channel has long-term contracts with Russia Today, the Federal News Agency, and multiple other Z-channels (i.e. pro-Kremlin channels) with links to the Putin-created nonprofit “Russia – Land of Opportunity” and the Russian president’s First Deputy Chief of Staff Sergey Kiriyenko.

The sources who run their own Telegram channels estimated the cost of Rybar’s operations at between 1.8 million and 3 million rubles ($30,000–$50,000). They also speculated that roughly a quarter of the channel’s monthly expenses may go towards paying informants in Russia and Ukraine. According to one of the sources, Rybar employees may receive salaries significantly lower than the market rate — for example, 30,000 rubles ($495) per month.

One source told The Bell that after the start of the full-scale war in Ukraine, “FSB representatives” became interested in Rybar's work, and the channel has since begun periodically publishing information from the agency. According to the source, Prigozhin may have assisted the channel’s creators in negotiations with the federal agents. The Bell was unable to confirm these claims.


In October, after its contributors criticized the Russian Defense Ministry, Rybar appeared on a list of Telegram channels and journalists who authorities allegedly planned to investigate for possible illegal “disinformation” or “discreditation” of the Russian army. According to the Telegram outlet Mash, Russian Army General Staff Chief Valery Gerasimov personally requested that Russia’s federal censor investigate Rybar.

At the same time, The Bell noted, Rybar published its first three promotional posts about training for mobilized soldiers at Defense Ministry training grounds just three days before the reports that it would be investigated.

Investigation by Irina Pankratova

Translated summary by Sam Breazeale

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#135891 Re: Ukrajina

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lajkujMe wrote: 21/11/2022 15:15 Jel bilo reakcija iz RSa za minobacace?
Nesto su tihi ko misevi :skoljka:
Kazu poslat ce despote i vihore rusima hahahhaha !
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#135892 Re: Ukrajina

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Gandalf wrote: 21/11/2022 15:39

Nato nastavlja tetkasto ko mlohava k......
odlična strategija :D a Mordor sve konta da more šta hoće i sve više se zavaljuje :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#135893 Re: Ukrajina

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21 November 2022 17:41 (UTC +04:00)

"The NATO Parliamentary Assembly, which is currently taking place in Madrid, called for the creation of a special international tribunal to punish Russian criminals and recognized the Russian Federation as a terrorist state," said the People's Deputy from the "Servant of the People" faction, the head of the permanent delegation of Ukraine to the NATO PA Yehor Cherniev on his Facebook account, APA reports.

"All 30 NATO countries supported the proposals of our delegation. Such a tribunal will make it possible to convict not only the direct perpetrators of war crimes but also the top leadership of the Russian Federation. The resolution will be sent to the governments and parliaments of all NATO member countries," Cherniev said.
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#135894 Re: Ukrajina

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Krupna je ovo odluka za NATO i svijet, ali hajde da vidimo.
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#135895 Re: Ukrajina

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update za 21 nov.
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#135896 Re: Ukrajina

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jedan mas bubić, čisto da nam bruda @sumirprimus ne nedostaje ovim pelenarima :D
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#135897 Re: Ukrajina

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samo jako ili nikako
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#135898 Re: Ukrajina

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Izrael je zaprijetio ruskim vlastima da bi, ako Iran počne isporučivati ​​balističke rakete Ruskoj Federaciji, ukrajinska vojska mogla dobiti balističke rakete visoke preciznosti.

Ovo su prenijeli izraelski mediji pozivajući se na čelnika Vijeća za nacionalnu sigurnost Izraela Eyala Hulata tokom govora na forumu u Bahreinu.

Trenutno nema naznaka da se radi o projektilima izraelske proizvodnje. Međutim, većina analitičara i stručnjaka pretpostavlja da se upozorenje odnosi na ovu vrstu oružja.



Auuu jamda Dilajla GL 8-)
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#135899 Re: Ukrajina

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jebote svaki minobacac i artiljerija / kupis te musice / šiptokoptere i rokaj supke......
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