Istragu osim kineske agencije za nesrece radi zajedno i NTSB iz Amerike jerbo je proizvod americki, tako da tu nece bas moci biti onoga kako mi zamisljamo Kinu... Ne daj boze da nese nesto ili kod nas padne...Edin H. wrote: ↑24/03/2022 17:01 Ne bi me čudilo da se nikada ne sazna tačan uzrok, jer ako su Kinezi koristili kopije rezervnih djelova (a znamo po auto industriji da sposobni sve kopirati) nikada to neće objelodaniti.
Kažu da se treba govoriti o pozitivnim aspektima npr. koliko vojske učestvuje u operaciji pretraživanja terena.
Avionske nesrece
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#4527 Re: Avionske nesrece
Dvije fatalne nesreće aviona Boeing 737 Max-8, nisu prouzrokovane otklonom kormila dubine (elevator), nego otklonom kompletnog horizontalnog stabilizatora.
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#4528 Re: Avionske nesrece
Ma da, ali su Kinezi zatezali sa odobrenjem, ne znam jesu li ih na kraju pustili. Između ostalog to je djelomično razlog zašto je ovo sumnjivo. Kao sa laboratorijom u Wuhanu. Mislim da je tehnički problem u pitanju, tako da svodi da li je do Boeinga ili Kineza zaduženih za održavanje. NTSB se ozbiljno bavi teorijom da ruječ o samoubistvu pilota.drndalo wrote: ↑25/03/2022 07:18Istragu osim kineske agencije za nesrece radi zajedno i NTSB iz Amerike jerbo je proizvod americki, tako da tu nece bas moci biti onoga kako mi zamisljamo Kinu... Ne daj boze da nese nesto ili kod nas padne...Edin H. wrote: ↑24/03/2022 17:01 Ne bi me čudilo da se nikada ne sazna tačan uzrok, jer ako su Kinezi koristili kopije rezervnih djelova (a znamo po auto industriji da sposobni sve kopirati) nikada to neće objelodaniti.
Kažu da se treba govoriti o pozitivnim aspektima npr. koliko vojske učestvuje u operaciji pretraživanja terena.
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#4529 Re: Avionske nesrece
Edin, gdje si pronašao takvu informaciju? Postoji protokol u kojem jednostavno nema odstupanja.Edin H. wrote: ↑25/03/2022 13:22
Ma da, ali su Kinezi zatezali sa odobrenjem, ne znam jesu li ih na kraju pustili. Između ostalog to je djelomično razlog zašto je ovo sumnjivo. Kao sa laboratorijom u Wuhanu. Mislim da je tehnički problem u pitanju, tako da svodi da li je do Boeinga ili Kineza zaduženih za održavanje. NTSB se ozbiljno bavi teorijom da ruječ o samoubistvu pilota.
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#4530 Re: Avionske nesrece
Recimo - pročitaj do krajaKraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑26/03/2022 13:20Edin, gdje si pronašao takvu informaciju? Postoji protokol u kojem jednostavno nema odstupanja.Edin H. wrote: ↑25/03/2022 13:22
Ma da, ali su Kinezi zatezali sa odobrenjem, ne znam jesu li ih na kraju pustili. Između ostalog to je djelomično razlog zašto je ovo sumnjivo. Kao sa laboratorijom u Wuhanu. Mislim da je tehnički problem u pitanju, tako da svodi da li je do Boeinga ili Kineza zaduženih za održavanje. NTSB se ozbiljno bavi teorijom da ruječ o samoubistvu pilota.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... tims-found
Obrati pažnju gdje su poslali crnu kutiju na analizu
Za avijaciju jesi ekspert, ali za Kinu i njihov sistem jok.
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#4531 Re: Avionske nesrece
Hvala, jesu čudaci.Edin H. wrote: ↑26/03/2022 15:15Recimo - pročitaj do krajaKraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑26/03/2022 13:20
Edin, gdje si pronašao takvu informaciju? Postoji protokol u kojem jednostavno nema odstupanja.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... tims-found
Obrati pažnju gdje su poslali crnu kutiju na analizu
Za avijaciju jesi ekspert, ali za Kinu i njihov sistem jok.
Ajme, problemi sa vizom i pravila karantina za NTSB i ostale predstavnike.
Honeywell je proizvođač crnih kutija. Proizvođač mašine, FAA i Boeing moraju imati predstavnike na uviđaju.
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#4532 Re: Avionske nesrece
The second black box from the crashed China Eastern Airlines flight MU5735 has been recovered.
The second black box from China Eastern Airlines Flight MU5735 was found 40 meters southeast from the crash site, buried under 1.5 meters of soil.
https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-updat ... erway.html
@Edin H. @Seawolf
Postoji pretpostavka/mogučnost na gubtiak dijela zrakopolova :
Evidence suggests China Eastern flight started falling apart midair
The highly unusual dive has baffled crash investigators and safety experts. Aircraft such as the 737-800 are designed not to dive so aggressively, so some kind of aircraft failure or pilot action would be required to keep its nose pointed down for so long.
A piece about 1.3 meters (4.3 feet) long and 10 centimeters (4 inches) wide believed to be from the plane was found on farmland, Zheng Xi, head of the Guangxi fire-fighting rescue team, said at a briefing.
It’s impossible to know at this early stage in the investigation whether the piece came loose as a result of stresses during the high-speed plunge or broke off before the sudden descent.
Guzzetti said it most likely occurred as the plane plummeted from a cruising altitude of about 29,000 feet in about 1 minute and 35 seconds.
“In my view, that’s the aircraft shedding parts as it’s coming down,” he said.
If that’s the case, it would provide clues about the plane’s speed and possible pilot maneuvers.
The second black box from China Eastern Airlines Flight MU5735 was found 40 meters southeast from the crash site, buried under 1.5 meters of soil.
https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-updat ... erway.html
@Edin H. @Seawolf
Postoji pretpostavka/mogučnost na gubtiak dijela zrakopolova :
Evidence suggests China Eastern flight started falling apart midair
The highly unusual dive has baffled crash investigators and safety experts. Aircraft such as the 737-800 are designed not to dive so aggressively, so some kind of aircraft failure or pilot action would be required to keep its nose pointed down for so long.
A piece about 1.3 meters (4.3 feet) long and 10 centimeters (4 inches) wide believed to be from the plane was found on farmland, Zheng Xi, head of the Guangxi fire-fighting rescue team, said at a briefing.
It’s impossible to know at this early stage in the investigation whether the piece came loose as a result of stresses during the high-speed plunge or broke off before the sudden descent.
Guzzetti said it most likely occurred as the plane plummeted from a cruising altitude of about 29,000 feet in about 1 minute and 35 seconds.
“In my view, that’s the aircraft shedding parts as it’s coming down,” he said.
If that’s the case, it would provide clues about the plane’s speed and possible pilot maneuvers.
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#4533 Re: Avionske nesrece
@Edin H.
... The plane’s cockpit voice recorder is being downloaded and analyzed at a U.S. lab in Washington, federal officials said Friday.
Chinese officials have said that air traffic controllers were unable to get a response from the pilots while the plane was descending.
The impact caused by the crash in China created a 20-meter- (65-foot-) deep crater, set off a fire in the surrounding forest and smashed the plane into small parts scattered over a wide area, some of them buried underground.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s- ... rash-probe
Razgovarali smo u vezi putanje leta, jedan detalj:
The plane’s sudden dive occurred near a point in the route where it would normally begin its initial descent, according to Flightradar24’s records.
Znači, postoji pretopstavka (moja) da se sve počeli dešatavati tokom inicijalnog početka promjene altitude/visine leta.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/worl ... ained.html
... The plane’s cockpit voice recorder is being downloaded and analyzed at a U.S. lab in Washington, federal officials said Friday.
Chinese officials have said that air traffic controllers were unable to get a response from the pilots while the plane was descending.
The impact caused by the crash in China created a 20-meter- (65-foot-) deep crater, set off a fire in the surrounding forest and smashed the plane into small parts scattered over a wide area, some of them buried underground.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s- ... rash-probe
Razgovarali smo u vezi putanje leta, jedan detalj:
The plane’s sudden dive occurred near a point in the route where it would normally begin its initial descent, according to Flightradar24’s records.
Znači, postoji pretopstavka (moja) da se sve počeli dešatavati tokom inicijalnog početka promjene altitude/visine leta.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/worl ... ained.html
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#4536 Re: Avionske nesrece
U Kini avion sa 122 osobe sletio sa staze na polijetanju i zapalio se nakon toga. Zasad nema podataka o poginulim, samo povrijedjenih...
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f8ab5a5&opt=0
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f8ab5a5&opt=0
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#4537 Re: Avionske nesrece
Izgleda da ga je neko od pilota namjerno srušioKraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑03/04/2022 11:49 @Edin H.
... The plane’s cockpit voice recorder is being downloaded and analyzed at a U.S. lab in Washington, federal officials said Friday.
Chinese officials have said that air traffic controllers were unable to get a response from the pilots while the plane was descending.
The impact caused by the crash in China created a 20-meter- (65-foot-) deep crater, set off a fire in the surrounding forest and smashed the plane into small parts scattered over a wide area, some of them buried underground.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s- ... rash-probe
Razgovarali smo u vezi putanje leta, jedan detalj:
The plane’s sudden dive occurred near a point in the route where it would normally begin its initial descent, according to Flightradar24’s records.
Znači, postoji pretopstavka (moja) da se sve počeli dešatavati tokom inicijalnog početka promjene altitude/visine leta.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/worl ... ained.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61488976
Ali kako, kada su tri pilota bila
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#4538 Re: Avionske nesrece
Ja dodjoh ovdje kontam prica se o padu srpskog aviona s oruzjem.
Garant ima negdje drugo.
Garant ima negdje drugo.
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#4539 Re: Avionske nesrece
Ima vise mogucih scenarija, a u svakom tom scenariju, treci pilot je bio na pauzi, ne u pilotskoj kabini.Edin H. wrote: ↑16/07/2022 21:35Izgleda da ga je neko od pilota namjerno srušioKraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑03/04/2022 11:49 @Edin H.
... The plane’s cockpit voice recorder is being downloaded and analyzed at a U.S. lab in Washington, federal officials said Friday.
Chinese officials have said that air traffic controllers were unable to get a response from the pilots while the plane was descending.
The impact caused by the crash in China created a 20-meter- (65-foot-) deep crater, set off a fire in the surrounding forest and smashed the plane into small parts scattered over a wide area, some of them buried underground.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s- ... rash-probe
Razgovarali smo u vezi putanje leta, jedan detalj:
The plane’s sudden dive occurred near a point in the route where it would normally begin its initial descent, according to Flightradar24’s records.
Znači, postoji pretopstavka (moja) da se sve počeli dešatavati tokom inicijalnog početka promjene altitude/visine leta.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/worl ... ained.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61488976
Ali kako, kada su tri pilota bila
Drugi pilot je mogao otici u toalet.
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#4540 Re: Avionske nesrece
Ovo se ne smije raditi bas nikada.KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑20/07/2022 18:56 Ima vise mogucih scenarija, a u svakom tom scenariju, treci pilot je bio na pauzi, ne u pilotskoj kabini.
Drugi pilot je mogao otici u toalet.
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#4541 Re: Avionske nesrece
Zaista čudnoKraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑20/07/2022 18:56Ima vise mogucih scenarija, a u svakom tom scenariju, treci pilot je bio na pauzi, ne u pilotskoj kabini.Edin H. wrote: ↑16/07/2022 21:35
Izgleda da ga je neko od pilota namjerno srušio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61488976
Ali kako, kada su tri pilota bila
Drugi pilot je mogao otici u toalet.
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#4542 Re: Avionske nesrece
Sto se ne smije uraditi nikad?Digla_da_kreci wrote: ↑20/07/2022 18:58Ovo se ne smije raditi bas nikada.KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑20/07/2022 18:56 Ima vise mogucih scenarija, a u svakom tom scenariju, treci pilot je bio na pauzi, ne u pilotskoj kabini.
Drugi pilot je mogao otici u toalet.
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#4543 Re: Avionske nesrece
Zasto je cudno?Edin H. wrote: ↑20/07/2022 18:58Zaista čudnoKraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑20/07/2022 18:56
Ima vise mogucih scenarija, a u svakom tom scenariju, treci pilot je bio na pauzi, ne u pilotskoj kabini.
Drugi pilot je mogao otici u toalet.
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#4544 Re: Avionske nesrece
Dok je treci bio na pauzi, drugi da je otisao u toalet i ostavio prvog samog. Sa stjuardesom moze.
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#4545 Re: Avionske nesrece
U biti ovaj izvještaj ništa ne objašnjava, samo nagađa.
Piloti nisu imali financijskih ili nekih drugih problema navodno.
Kao što napisaše iznad ne bi se trebalo da dva pilota napuste cockpit.
Ko zna možda je i samo jedan, pa bila borba.
Sjećaš se da se avion nakratko stabilizovao, pa opet sunovratio.
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#4546 Re: Avionske nesrece
Uzrok je bio problem sa masinom, trazili su dozvolu za an emergency landing, nakon toga je pao.jeza u ledja wrote: ↑17/07/2022 23:57 Ja dodjoh ovdje kontam prica se o padu srpskog aviona s oruzjem.
Garant ima negdje drugo.
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#4547 Re: Avionske nesrece
Uvijek jedan od dva pilota moze otici u toalet. Legalno dozvoljeno.Digla_da_kreci wrote: ↑20/07/2022 19:04Dok je treci bio na pauzi, drugi da je otisao u toalet i ostavio prvog samog. Sa stjuardesom moze.
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#4548 Re: Avionske nesrece
Poenta je da se ne smije jedan pilot ostaviti sam u kabini.
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#4549 Re: Avionske nesrece
Taj kratki pokusaj stabilizacije aviona je dokaz da nesto nije funkcioniralo sa komandama aviona. Moja pretpostavka.Edin H. wrote: ↑20/07/2022 19:05U biti ovaj izvještaj ništa ne objašnjava, samo nagađa.
Piloti nisu imali financijskih ili nekih drugih problema navodno.
Kao što napisaše iznad ne bi se trebalo da dva pilota napuste cockpit.
Ko zna možda je i samo jedan, pa bila borba.
Sjećaš se da se avion nakratko stabilizovao, pa opet sunovratio.
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#4550 Re: Avionske nesrece
Taj kratki pokusaj stabilizacije aviona je dokaz da nesto nije funkcioniralo sa komandama aviona. Moja pretpostavka.Edin H. wrote: ↑20/07/2022 19:05U biti ovaj izvještaj ništa ne objašnjava, samo nagađa.
Piloti nisu imali financijskih ili nekih drugih problema navodno.
Kao što napisaše iznad ne bi se trebalo da dva pilota napuste cockpit.
Ko zna možda je i samo jedan, pa bila borba.
Sjećaš se da se avion nakratko stabilizovao, pa opet sunovratio.