Je li ga ikada i bilo?Seawolf wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:25Nikad u historiji nije nedostajalo totalitarnih ideologija.piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:18
Nije. Sve ideologije pretenduju na totalitarnost (to čovjek shvati odmah nakon tridesete, ako imalo gleda oko sebe), samo što neke imaju malo bolje mehanizme kontrole ('checks and balances'). Ali, nismo se odavno počeli ovako ubrzano rolati unazad po svim dijelovima svijeta... Dabogda da ne bude kakvog velikog belaja u narednih 3-5 godina.
Ono što sada nedostaje (i nema ga na vidiku) je napredan pokret koji bi se uhvatio u koštac sa takvim ideologijama.
Danasnji "feminizam"
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I on bi bio ideologija. Koja pretenduje na totalitarizam.Seawolf wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:25Nikad u historiji nije nedostajalo totalitarnih ideologija.piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:18
Nije. Sve ideologije pretenduju na totalitarnost (to čovjek shvati odmah nakon tridesete, ako imalo gleda oko sebe), samo što neke imaju malo bolje mehanizme kontrole ('checks and balances'). Ali, nismo se odavno počeli ovako ubrzano rolati unazad po svim dijelovima svijeta... Dabogda da ne bude kakvog velikog belaja u narednih 3-5 godina.
Ono što sada nedostaje (i nema ga na vidiku) je napredan pokret koji bi se uhvatio u koštac sa takvim ideologijama.
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#27703 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Jeste dok nismo skontali da je najvažniji, ipak, novac. To jeste, kada su članovi KP prešli u članstvo Dogs trusta i Green peacea.
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#27704 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
De, bolan Hakize, nemoj biti naivan, dovoljno si ti pesimističan po prirodi da znaš tačno na šta ciljam.Hakiz wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:21Zašto unazad?piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:18
Nije. Sve ideologije pretenduju na totalitarnost (to čovjek shvati odmah nakon tridesete, ako imalo gleda oko sebe), samo što neke imaju malo bolje mehanizme kontrole ('checks and balances'). Ali, nismo se odavno počeli ovako ubrzano rolati unazad po svim dijelovima svijeta... Dabogda da ne bude kakvog velikog belaja u narednih 3-5 godina.
Možda smo išli prebrzo u "napredak", možda je to bila greška. Pa to što zoveš rolanjem unazad je, zapravo, povratak u normalu?
Lijepo su nas učili u školi - istorija je učiteljica života.
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#27705 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Komunistička Partija? I ona je od početka bila manjkava. Lova je uvijek u igri. Poenta je da nema savršenog pokreta, jer ljudi nisu
savršeni.
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Joj, je li ovo priča ne radi se o tome da politike identiteta pokazuju jasne totalitarne tendencije, nego sve ideologije pokazuju totalitarne tendencije, so it's all good?
Ne, svaka ideologija ima svoju dogmu, ali nije svaka ideologija za totalitarno uređenje vlasti i društvenih odnosa. To nisu istoznačni pojmovi.
Ne, svaka ideologija ima svoju dogmu, ali nije svaka ideologija za totalitarno uređenje vlasti i društvenih odnosa. To nisu istoznačni pojmovi.
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#27707 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Defetisto i oportunisto.
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#27708 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Htjeli smo globalizam. Ni tebi nije mrska pomisao da sa eBaya ili Aliexpressa možeš nešto kupiti, pojesti bananu, mango, furazi se na jogu i meditaciju, moliti se bogu sa istoka iako na istoku nisi, pa ni bliskom. Postali smo globalna civilizacija. A istorija nas uči da kada je jedna civilizacija propadala, rađala se druga. Sada nema druge, svi smo jedna.piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:30De, bolan Hakize, nemoj biti naivan, dovoljno si ti pesimističan po prirodi da znaš tačno na šta ciljam.Kad se probudi uspavane totalitarne aždaHe i počnu palacati jezicima i bljuvati vatru, dodje kraj jednoj civilizaciji. Sve su ovo o čemu mi pričamo i što vidimo na površini su simptomi dublje i ozbiljnije bolesti. Gledali smo u svojoj kući kako ide taj proces. Sad ga gledamo na globalnoj razini.
Lijepo su nam učili u školi - istorija je učiteljica života.
Što znači da se trebamo vratiti u normalu, u više civilizacija. Odustati od globalnog sela.
Nema u Njemačku arbajtati, kupovati Haribo, moliti se dolasku Lidla. To je i dovelo do svega ovoga.
Ko će ozgo pretisnuti reset dugme?
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#27710 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Ne znam za tebe, kad sam prvi put sletjela na JFK, stresla sam se na ulasku od kompletnog utiska (i procedure uzimanja otisaka prstiju kao da sam kriminalac), bukvalno mi je prva impresija bila da se radi samo o jednoj malo drugačijoj verziji totalitarne države (i svijesti). Potemkinova sela, Hollywood-style Sekuritatea i rituali... Anyway, živi bili pa vidjeli, ako budemo imali struje, interneta i hljeba za 5 godina!n+1 wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:34 Joj, je li ovo priča ne radi se o tome da politike identiteta pokazuju jasne totalitarne tendencije, nego sve ideologije pokazuju totalitarne tendencije, so it's all good?![]()
Ne, svaka ideologija ima svoju dogmu, ali nije svaka ideologija za totalitarno uređenje vlasti i društvenih odnosa. To nisu istoznačni pojmovi.
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#27711 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Pritisnuo je brother baćuška. Mislim da si u pravu, mislim da smo na 'smjeni' otkako je propao komunizam, jer su sve kontradicije zapadnog sistema ostale da se bore same sa sobom. Pa su se vadili ratovima i smanjivanjem troškova proizvodnje kroz iseljavanje proizvodnje, ali i tome je došao kraj. Da se vratimo trenutku - kompletan je svjetski supply chain u haosu, ako nas ne manipulišu globalno, a pošto ne vjerujem u takve scenarije... sad ćeš vidjet' veselja.Hakiz wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:36 Htjeli smo globalizam. Ni tebi nije mrska pomisao da sa eBaya ili Aliexpressa možeš nešto kupiti, pojesti bananu, mango, furazi se na jogu i meditaciju, moliti se bogu sa istoka iako na istoku nisi, pa ni bliskom. Postali smo globalna civilizacija. A istorija nas uči da kada je jedna civilizacija propadala, rađala se druga. Sada nema druge, svi smo jedna.
Što znači da se trebamo vratiti u normalu, u više civilizacija. Odustati od globalnog sela.
Nema u Njemačku arbajtati, kupovati Haribo, moliti se dolasku Lidla. To je i dovelo do svega ovoga.
Ko će ozgo pretisnuti reset dugme?
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#27712 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Nazalost, slazem se. Kazem nazalost, jer bih voljela da ti mogu reci- nisi upravu i nije tako, svijet postaje bolji a ne gori. Ali svijet ide prema fasizmu.piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:18
Nije. Sve ideologije pretenduju na totalitarnost (to čovjek shvati odmah nakon tridesete, ako imalo gleda oko sebe), samo što neke imaju malo bolje mehanizme kontrole ('checks and balances'). Ali, nismo se odavno počeli ovako ubrzano rolati unazad po svim dijelovima svijeta... Dabogda da ne bude kakvog velikog belaja u narednih 3-5 godina.
Nije to samo desnica, opasnost lezi i u ovome:
Ako se ne slazes sa mnom, onda si netolerantni desnicar. Tako nekako.While Drum has been beating the, um, drum on this issue of late, it's actually James Carville who was the first to warn Democrats that focusing on very liberal policies -- and demanding that the general public pronounce support for those issues or run the risk of being labeled "intolerant" -- is political poison for the party.
"Wokeness is a problem and everyone knows it. It's hard to talk to anybody today -- and I talk to lots of people in the Democratic Party -- who doesn't say this. But they don't want to say it out loud," Carville, who made his name helping to elect Bill Clinton president, said in an interview with Vox this spring. Asked why his party won't admit the wokeness problem, Carville responded bluntly: "Because they'll get clobbered or canceled."
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
Sta to znaci za demokratiju i sta znaci za nas svijet? I kako to uopste zaustaviti ako se ljudi boje da ce biti canceled.
Nemam odgovor ni ja.
Ne znam jesil kad citala kurta tucholskog, kolko znam slabije je prevodjen sa njemackog, neki dan sam bas trazila na engleskom sta o njemu da vam ostavim na temi, povodom ove price za woke i demokrate, iako ovo nije ni blizu onom sto se moze na njemackom procitati o tucholskom, posluzice:
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PERHAPS IT IS COINCIDENCE, perhaps prescience, but Berlinica Publishing has rereleased an out-of-print book in English translation called Germany? Germany! Satirical Writings: The Kurt Tucholsky Reader.
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One of the best-paid German journalists in the 1920s, Kurt Tucholsky was the canary in the coal mine of the Weimar Republic. His ire targeted the revanchist military, unreformed judiciary, cowardly government, and accommodationist politicians (namely, Social Democrats), whom he vilified as intellectually pedestrian and petty bourgeois, accusing them of turning a blind eye to the dangers of the political right.
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Over several weeks in the 1920s, he wrote an article per day, mainly for Die Weltbühne, a small, Berlin-centered weekly that was influential among intellectuals despite its modest circulation of 15,000. Die Weltbühne was the publishing organ of the intellectual left and was considered the conscience of the nation.
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Tucholsky wrote prodigiously under his own name and four pen names: Peter Panter, Theobald Tiger, Ignaz Wrobel, and Kaspar Hauser. This camouflage was deliberate, for who in Germany believes that a political writer can be humourous, or a satirist can be serious? Who would credit a playful man with knowledge of the penal code, or who would believe that a describer of cities can write amusing verse? Humor discredits.
The author declared that he and his four literary personae were “five fingers of one hand,” fighting to destroy the old, militaristic Germany and build a new, democratic nation. This love-hate relationship with his country was his work’s leitmotif.
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Cursing both houses, Tucholsky charged that the cowardly, avaricious middle class, fearing a left-wing revolution, invited the right-wing dictatorship and were happy to “bear all the burdens as long as they are allowed to make money.”
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The timing of this book’s publication is fortuitous. It allows readers to reflect on disturbing parallels between Weimar Germany and the politics of 21st-century Western states, for instance: the success of populists; the unbridgeable gap between the “deplorables” and intellectuals writing in elite publications; and the failure of the political left to translate analysis into winning tactics. And that’s just the beginning. Consider the following: it seems tragically hard-wired in Western political systems that the right is instinctual, the left intellectual; the right fights for power, the left for ideas; the right is rallying, the left feuding; the right is cunning, the left politically naïve; the right looks for converts, the left for heretics; the right is pragmatic, the left idealistic. The left sabotages itself, fighting bitterly and mostly against, while the right fights cynically for the big prize: power.
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While political commentary was at the core of his work, judging from his personal letters, the lighter pieces sustained him both financially and mentally throughout the 1920s, until the state of affairs became unbearable.
Tucholsky’s tragedy was both political and personal. Having hoped, as his friend Erich Kästner put it, “to stop a catastrophe with a typewriter,” he gave up his quixotic quest in the late 1920s, exhausted. Conceding that the battle was lost and that Germany was a hopeless cause, he counted himself among those who believe the German spirit to be almost unalterably poisoned, who have no faith in improvement and who consider this constitutional democracy to be a facade and a lie.
In hindsight, Tucholsky’s negativism was an agonizing blunder. Rather than defending or constructively engaging in Germany’s beleaguered first republic — fiercely attacked from the right, tormented by mountainous reparations claims, and a destroyed economy — the left unwittingly (or perhaps wittingly, in the case of the communists) prepared the ground for Nazism. And that was Weimar’s tragedy.
Tucholsky, who was neither a politician nor a psychiatrist, was neither practical nor helpful — just brilliant and right. He realized that “[a] travelogue says more about the writer than about the journey.” Even calling him a satirist — Germany’s greatest since Heinrich Heine — does not fully capture this brilliant man. Tucholsky, in the guise of a caricaturist, expected his sharp pen to bring people to their senses. Not for him Immanuel Kant’s counsel: “Out of timber so crooked as that from which man is made, nothing entirely straight can be built.” In 1932, Tucholsky abruptly stopped writing for publication. From his precarious Swedish exile, he anxiously observed Germany’s downward spiral. On January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor. No time was lost in entrenching the new order: the last issue of Die Weltbühne appeared on March 7.
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On May 9, “Fire Slogans” were sent to student bodies to be read the next day at book burnings at all German universities. One of them raged: “against impudence and arrogance, for respect and reverence for the immortal German national spirit! Devour, flame, also the writings of Tucholsky…!”
On August 23, the first Ausbürgerungsliste (of 359) was published — an edict in the Reich’s official gazette annulling the citizenship of 33 Germans, including Kurt Tucholsky, as well as six other Weltbühne authors, and confiscating their assets. Tucholsky’s last years were harrowing. Having left Germany in 1924, he lived in Paris and Sweden, where he was allowed to remain on monthly visas. “For three years,” wrote biographer Harold Poor, “Tucholsky lived under the constant threat of deportation.” After this period of public silence, just before Christmas 1935, he killed himself.
Yet, while he had little influence in his time, Tucholsky’s legacy endures in Germany. His books are still in print, his vibrant articles and humorous aphorisms are frequently cited, and many schools and streets are named for him. For today’s Anglophone readers, this new book reveals the brilliance and desperation of a quicksilver writer in dark times nearly a century ago and an ocean away. Bringing this complex genius to the attention of Americans in this era of alternative facts and “America First” sloganeering corroborates Karl Marx’s observation that history repeats itself: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/fab ... tucholsky/
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When things fragment, we look for something solid to hold onto. The ticker-tape of daily disasters – a fire here, a shooting there, a pointless military adventure somewhere else – makes us fearful and afraid of the future. And so we look to the past for warnings missed, as well as wisdom hidden. If we are really anxious we may even start to read poetry.![]()
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Described by writer Erich Kästner as “a short fat Berliner who tried to stop a catastrophe with a typewriter”, Tucholsky also predicted the ominous rise of the Nazis and another war in Europe, writing that “New cannons will come.”
There are echoes of the Weimar Republic in our societies today. Rapid technological change was thought to corrupt the masses in the form of radio, mass media and talking films that came of age in the 1920s, just as social media is thought to corrode our democracies now.
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Yet Tucholsky felt impotent. The “Homeless Left” was the name given to him and others who were critical of both the SPD - for their collaboration with the military - and the German Communist Party (KPD) for their Bolshevik tendencies. Tucholsky felt that his fiery critiques, however they struck his opponents, always landed flat. Growing street violence and political and economic instability all contributed to the darkening mood.
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Just as in our time, people living through the chaos of a failing economic system in Weimar Germany bathed in a dark nostalgia fuelled by dreams of a stable past. In “The Creed of the Bourgeoisie” (1928) Tucholsky turns his fire on such dreams, like the view that “Under the Kaiser everything was better” and “The whole world is against Germany - out of envy.” Sound familiar?
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Therefore, in another time of rising nationalism, a time of fragments very much like his own, Kurt Tucholsky’s writings hold for us the following political lesson: that things fall apart quickly when you’re not looking; that “a country is not only what it does - it is also what it puts up with, what it tolerates.”
He has a life lesson for us too that applies whether you’re strolling through Berlin or Baghdad, New York or Tehran; whether it’s sunny or cloudy; whether you’re holding an umbrella or a warm hand - “Expect nothing. Today: that is your life.”
Because for Tucholsky, politics will always disappoint. Yet his satires also point to the possibility of a revolution-in-the-moment; a few of his sentences can spin you out of your thoughts and days: “Relax. Let go of the steering wheel. Amble through the world. It is so beautiful. Surrender to it, and it will surrender to you.”
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/transf ... ypewriter/
Iza drugog svjetskog rata, ljudi su krivili i tucholskog.
Trebalo je vremena da se glave ohlade i da se sa jedne distance pokusa shvatiti sta je zapravo tucholsky govorio.
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Surrender. Resistance is futile.
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#27714 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
@Niemand Panter, Tiger, Wrobel - životinjsko carstvo
... nisam čitala, hvala!
Ovo
Da, woke kultura je takodje neki signal kolektivne histerije - ili da budem politički korektnija - masovne sociogene epidemije
, sve su to simptomi društva koje je izgubilo stabilnu osnovu i lebdi od pitanja do pitanja, od uzbune do uzbune, od progona do progona... najstrašnije je kad se takve stvari otmu kontroli, kad gomila uzme vile u ruke i počne sa spaljivanjem - skoro da mi je žao što ne živim u Francuskoj, tamo se zna kako idu te stvari... 
Ovo
je već u trendu. To njegoovo "Expect nothing!" je jako deprimirajuće. I uvijek su to 2-3 Tucholska koje pošalju u ludilo, izgladne na 'pravi put' ili ga otjeraju s ovog svijeta. I sjete ga se za 100 godina. Jbg.Cursing both houses, Tucholsky charged that the cowardly, avaricious middle class, fearing a left-wing revolution, invited the right-wing dictatorship and were happy to “bear all the burdens as long as they are allowed to make money.”
Da, woke kultura je takodje neki signal kolektivne histerije - ili da budem politički korektnija - masovne sociogene epidemije
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#27715 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Problem kod woke pokreta je što je kidnapovan od stane histerične ekipe dokoličara sa društvenih mreža pa ciljaju sve i svašta.
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#27716 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Off topic, profesionalna deformacija - kako divna rečenica. Za prevesti.piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 16:23 @Niemand Panter, Tiger, Wrobel - životinjsko carstvo![]()
... nisam čitala, hvala!
OvoCursing both houses, Tucholsky charged that the cowardly, avaricious middle class, fearing a left-wing revolution, invited the right-wing dictatorship and were happy to “bear all the burdens as long as they are allowed to make money.”
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#27717 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Ako ovo ne pokaže ljudima za zajebu globalizam na ovaj način koji sada imamo, to jeste, možemo mi trgovati itd, ali nema više da Ukrajina radi žito za cijelu Evropu, Kina proizvodi za cijeli svijet itd, da jedan i niko drugi nešto pravi za sve, onaj drugi nešto drugo za sve, nego sve šta možeš pravi kod sebe, a pogotovo strateške proizvode kao što su hrana i energija, onda i trebamo propasti.
Ako ovo ne pokaže da se mora stati u kraj korporacijskom/bankarskom teroru nad cijelim svijetom i da se odluke moraju iz korporacija vratiti u parlamente, takođe trebamo propasti.
Doduše, da bi se malo resetovali, ekologija mora sačekati, EU kvote koliko čega koja članica smije praviti moraju se ukinuti itd.
Ne, nećemo naučiti, ništa.
Zato, propadnimo. Prije toga će malo da ojačaju desničari, konzervativci, fašisti i slični. Nije Marie Lepen dobila 10 puta više poslaničkih mjesta zbog toga što je narod voli. Nego zato što je došao trenutak da je manje mrze od liberala i demokrata za koje, očito, misle da nisu sposobni rješavati krize.
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#27720 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Ma isto ko neki rojevi muha. Bzzzzzz. Svi na jednu stranu. Onda opet - bzzzzzz. Svi na drugu stranu. Ako nas posmatraju neki vanzemaljci, našli su se u intergalaktičkom čudu.dale cooper wrote: ↑27/06/2022 17:02 Problem kod woke pokreta je što je kidnapovan od stane histerične ekipe dokoličara sa društvenih mreža pa ciljaju sve i svašta.
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#27722 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Vidiš, meni se čini da je upravo suprotno. To što razvijene države danas imaju takav aparat sile, takvu moć represije i kontrole, kakvu ni Orwell nije mogao pojmiti, kakvo nijedno carstva kroz cijelu ljudsku povijest nije moglo sanjati, a čiji si ti dašak osjetila na aerodromu, a ipak tu represiju koriste tek u ograničenom obimu, onda kada je to potrebno da bi se zaštitile slobode u širem smislu, upravo je velika pobjeda slobodnog društva i liberalne demokracije.piupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:49Ne znam za tebe, kad sam prvi put sletjela na JFK, stresla sam se na ulasku od kompletnog utiska (i procedure uzimanja otisaka prstiju kao da sam kriminalac), bukvalno mi je prva impresija bila da se radi samo o jednoj malo drugačijoj verziji totalitarne države (i svijesti). Potemkinova sela, Hollywood-style Sekuritatea i rituali... Anyway, živi bili pa vidjeli, ako budemo imali struje, interneta i hljeba za 5 godina!n+1 wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:34 Joj, je li ovo priča ne radi se o tome da politike identiteta pokazuju jasne totalitarne tendencije, nego sve ideologije pokazuju totalitarne tendencije, so it's all good?![]()
Ne, svaka ideologija ima svoju dogmu, ali nije svaka ideologija za totalitarno uređenje vlasti i društvenih odnosa. To nisu istoznačni pojmovi.![]()
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#27724 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
To ti je kad ne znas. LaGuardia je zakonpiupiu wrote: ↑27/06/2022 14:49 Ne znam za tebe, kad sam prvi put sletjela na JFK, stresla sam se na ulasku od kompletnog utiska (i procedure uzimanja otisaka prstiju kao da sam kriminalac), bukvalno mi je prva impresija bila da se radi samo o jednoj malo drugačijoj verziji totalitarne države (i svijesti). Potemkinova sela, Hollywood-style Sekuritatea i rituali... Anyway, živi bili pa vidjeli, ako budemo imali struje, interneta i hljeba za 5 godina!![]()
Salim se - mene su nakon slijetanja uhapsili
Preciznije, zadrzali nekoliko sati - razlika je u kvadraturi i sadrzaju prostora gdje boravis dok te ne puste
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#27725 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"
Dalo bi se skuckati ako znam da si top class.
Zapravo me je na pitanje natjeralo to što se nisam mogao sjetiti šta avaricious znači. Nije ni čudo jer sam odmah zatim zaspao. Sad kontam da me je bar ostatak rečenice trebao asocirati na to.

