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#26926 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:15 Jel bilo skolovanja zena, ikad i idje bez feminizma?
Pogrešno postavljeno pitanje. :)

Feminizam je naziv za određeni pokret, odnosno društveno-politzičke pokrete. Kao što su sufražetkinje naziv za pripadnice pokreta za jednako pravo glasa muškaraca i žena, odnosno uvođenje ženskog prava glasa.

Da, školovanja je bilo, ali da li je bilo masovno? Da li je bilo dostupno svima? Da li je bilo obavezno? Da li si mogla ići na univerzitet? D

Anyway, pitanje ti je pogrešno postavljeno. Na primjer sam izraz feminizam je stariji (i to par stoljeća) od nekih zakona koji obavezuju državu da obrazovanje mora biti dostupono svima, znači bez diskriminacije na osnovu spola. :)
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#26927 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:20 Kako je postao predsjednik ako se nije svidio ljudima? :zoka: :mrgreen:
Ti kojima se svidio nisu ljudi...
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#26928 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:20 Kako je postao predsjednik ako se nije svidio ljudima? :zoka: :mrgreen:
Zato što se ljudima još manje svidjela američka ljevica. Trump je samo produkt toga, tj. slabost ljevice.
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#26929 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Hakiz wrote: 20/06/2022 23:21
dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:20 Kako je postao predsjednik ako se nije svidio ljudima? :zoka: :mrgreen:
Ti kojima se svidio nisu ljudi...
Zašto? :zoka:
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#26930 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Hakiz wrote: 20/06/2022 23:20 Da nije, ne bi bila Hypatia.
One of many...oh, wait. :mrgreen:
Srećom nije se udala. :mrgreen:

Inače, izvor wiki:

Damascius states that Hypatia remained a lifelong virgin and that, when one of the men who came to her lectures tried to court her, she tried to soothe his lust by playing the lyre.When he refused to abandon his pursuit, she rejected him outright, displaying her bloody menstrual rags and declaring "This is what you really love, my young man, but you do not love beauty for its own sake. Damascius further relates that the young man was so traumatized that he abandoned his desires for her immediately.

Radikalno :mrgreen: da je imala grudnjak, možda bi ga i spalila. :D
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#26931 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Xena ratnica je bila prva feministica

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#26932 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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MarlboroGold wrote: 20/06/2022 23:22
dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:20 Kako je postao predsjednik ako se nije svidio ljudima? :zoka: :mrgreen:
Zato što se ljudima još manje svidjela američka ljevica. Trump je samo produkt toga, tj. slabost ljevice.
Da, slažem se da su demokrati pucali sebi u nogu sa izborom Clintonove za kandidata. Nisam neki poseban fan ni ove centralističke
struje kod demokrata.
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#26933 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:24
Hakiz wrote: 20/06/2022 23:21

Ti kojima se svidio nisu ljudi...
Zašto? :zoka:
To ono pitanje/konstatacija implicira. "Postmodernistički predsjednik se nije svidio ljudima", ergo oni kojima se svidio nisu ljudi.

Normalno.
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#26934 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Bloo wrote: 20/06/2022 23:24
Hakiz wrote: 20/06/2022 23:20 Da nije, ne bi bila Hypatia.
One of many...oh, wait. :mrgreen:
Srećom nije se udala. :mrgreen:

Inače, izvor wiki:

Damascius states that Hypatia remained a lifelong virgin and that, when one of the men who came to her lectures tried to court her, she tried to soothe his lust by playing the lyre.When he refused to abandon his pursuit, she rejected him outright, displaying her bloody menstrual rags and declaring "This is what you really love, my young man, but you do not love beauty for its own sake. Damascius further relates that the young man was so traumatized that he abandoned his desires for her immediately.

Radikalno :mrgreen: da je imala grudnjak, možda bi ga i spalila. :D
Učite kako se to radi :lol:

Možda je i nosila, wiki:
Wearing a garment to support the breasts may date back to ancient Greece.[20] Women wore an apodesmos,[21] later stēthodesmē,[22] mastodesmos[23] and mastodeton,[24] all meaning "breast-band", a band of wool or linen that was wrapped across the breasts and tied or pinned at the back.[25][26] Roman women wore breast-bands during sport, such as those shown on the Coronation of the Winner mosaic (also known as the "Bikini mosaic").
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#26935 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Jel to neki fazon sa tim "Normalno." na kraju postova... vidim da to provlačite svugdje na forumu
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#26936 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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MarlboroGold wrote: 20/06/2022 23:28 Jel to neki fazon sa tim "Normalno." na kraju postova... vidim da to provlačite svugdje na forumu
Ja sam to vidio samo kod Hakiza. :D
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#26937 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Trump je bas bio pravi postmodernisticki predsjednik sa svojim subjektivnim istinama.

A subjektivne istine ko subjektivne istine, u sukobu povazdan sa nekim tudjim subjektivnim istinama.

Hoce to tako inace.
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#26938 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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MarlboroGold wrote: 20/06/2022 23:28 Jel to neki fazon sa tim "Normalno." na kraju postova... vidim da to provlačite svugdje na forumu
Normalno.
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#26939 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Well, odes do necije subjektivne istine and grab her by the pussy. :mrgreen:
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#26940 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Bloo wrote: 20/06/2022 23:21
Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:15 Jel bilo skolovanja zena, ikad i idje bez feminizma?
Pogrešno postavljeno pitanje. :)

Feminizam je naziv za određeni pokret, odnosno društveno-politzičke pokrete. Kao što su sufražetkinje naziv za pripadnice pokreta za jednako pravo glasa muškaraca i žena, odnosno uvođenje ženskog prava glasa.

Da, školovanja je bilo, ali da li je bilo masovno? Da li je bilo dostupno svima? Da li je bilo obavezno? Da li si mogla ići na univerzitet? D

Anyway, pitanje ti je pogrešno postavljeno. Na primjer sam izraz feminizam je stariji (i to par stoljeća) od nekih zakona koji obavezuju državu da obrazovanje mora biti dostupono svima, znači bez diskriminacije na osnovu spola. :)
Sve fajn, ali ljudima ne objasnite bas i feministicku teoriju, pa eto ako si vec za skolovanje zena, a ljudi to jesu, onda si ti brate za feminizam. I ovu moju feministicku teoriju, al o tom cemo poslije, to ti sad ne treba.

O cemu pricamo.
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#26941 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:29
MarlboroGold wrote: 20/06/2022 23:28 Jel to neki fazon sa tim "Normalno." na kraju postova... vidim da to provlačite svugdje na forumu
Ja sam to vidio samo kod Hakiza. :D
@DEMONIKA nema sad kada je najteže :(

Normalno.
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#26942 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:30 Trump je bas bio pravi postmodernisticki predsjednik sa svojim subjektivnim istinama.

A subjektivne istine ko subjektivne istine, u sukobu povazdan sa nekim tudjim subjektivnim istinama.

Hoce to tako inace.
Neće moći.

Tvoje su možda subjektivne, moje su objektivne.

Pussy and tits, with ass too. Grabbing. Gropping, that is.
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#26943 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:30 Trump je bas bio pravi postmodernisticki predsjednik sa svojim subjektivnim istinama.

A subjektivne istine ko subjektivne istine, u sukobu povazdan sa nekim tudjim subjektivnim istinama.

Hoce to tako inace.
Mislim da je on više negirao postojanje bilo kakve istine. :mrgreen:
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#26944 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:35
Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:30 Trump je bas bio pravi postmodernisticki predsjednik sa svojim subjektivnim istinama.

A subjektivne istine ko subjektivne istine, u sukobu povazdan sa nekim tudjim subjektivnim istinama.

Hoce to tako inace.
Mislim da je on više negirao postojanje bilo kakve istine. :mrgreen:
Pa jel cojk postmodernista il nije, sta.
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#26945 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:35
Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:30 Trump je bas bio pravi postmodernisticki predsjednik sa svojim subjektivnim istinama.

A subjektivne istine ko subjektivne istine, u sukobu povazdan sa nekim tudjim subjektivnim istinama.

Hoce to tako inace.
Mislim da je on više negirao postojanje bilo kakve istine. :mrgreen:
Da. Nema istine, nema ni laži. Pa ko se snađe.
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#26946 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:36
dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:35

Mislim da je on više negirao postojanje bilo kakve istine. :mrgreen:
Pa jel cojk postmodernista il nije, sta.
Postmodernisti ne idu baš tako daleko...treba biti pošten. :D
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#26947 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:33
Bloo wrote: 20/06/2022 23:21

Pogrešno postavljeno pitanje. :)

Feminizam je naziv za određeni pokret, odnosno društveno-politzičke pokrete. Kao što su sufražetkinje naziv za pripadnice pokreta za jednako pravo glasa muškaraca i žena, odnosno uvođenje ženskog prava glasa.

Da, školovanja je bilo, ali da li je bilo masovno? Da li je bilo dostupno svima? Da li je bilo obavezno? Da li si mogla ići na univerzitet? D

Anyway, pitanje ti je pogrešno postavljeno. Na primjer sam izraz feminizam je stariji (i to par stoljeća) od nekih zakona koji obavezuju državu da obrazovanje mora biti dostupono svima, znači bez diskriminacije na osnovu spola. :)
Sve fajn, ali ljudima ne objasnite bas i feministicku teoriju, pa eto ako si vec za skolovanje zena, a ljudi to jesu, onda si ti brate za feminizam. I ovu moju feministicku teoriju, al o tom cemo poslije, to ti sad ne treba.

O cemu pricamo.
proto-feministički teoriju zapravo. :) ima i to

Pa u BiH ne bih baš rekla da jesu, uzevši u obzir koliko neobrazovanih žena imamo. Puno, puno više nego muškaraca ( 77.557 ili 4,8 odsto žena u BiH nepismeno. Nepismenih muškaraca je manje – 12.237 ili 0,8 odsto - opšti podaci - ima razloženo po stepenima nepismenosti). Staka Skenderova se u grobu okreće.

Ali, pretpostavljam da je to OK u državi gdje religija i tradicija kolo vode. :) NE treba nama ni emancipacija žena ni feminizam niti ikakvi -izmi, samo nacionalizam u kombinaciji sa religijom.

Mada, kada pogledaš globalno, žene opet prednjače u nepismenosti. Ali to je OK - patrijarhat I guess. Kuća, djeca, muž, ručak..to ti je krajnji domet. :) Oduvijek bilo a i biće.

Šuti, rađaj ako možeš, kuhaj, peglaj, podaj se kad se ustraži, povremeno forumaj da se izraziš i to je to. to je sve što je potrebno.


Smrt feminizmu, sloboda slobodnom mišljenju!
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#26948 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:40
Niemand wrote: 20/06/2022 23:36

Pa jel cojk postmodernista il nije, sta.
Postmodernisti ne idu baš tako daleko...treba biti pošten. :D
What does post-truth mean for a philosopher?

"Post-truth" has come to describe a type of campaigning that has turned the political world upside down.

Fuelled by emotive arguments rather than fact-checks, it was a phrase that tried to capture the gut-instinct, anti-establishment politics that swept Donald Trump and Brexit supporters to victory.

Oxford Dictionaries made it the word of the year, defining it as where "objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief".

But what does this new world mean for academics and scientists whose whole purpose is trying to establish objective facts?

AC Grayling, public thinker, master of the New College of the Humanities, and Remain campaigner, views the post-truth world with undisguised horror.

The philosopher, awarded a CBE in the New Year Honours, warns of the "corruption of intellectual integrity" and damage to "the whole fabric of democracy".

But where does he think the post-truth world has come from?

"The world changed after 2008," says Prof Grayling - politics since the financial crash has been shaped by a "toxic" growth in income inequality.

As well as the gap between rich and poor, he says a deep sense of grievance has grown among middle-income families, who have faced a long stagnation in earnings.

With a groundswell of economic resentment, he says, it is not difficult to "inflame" emotions over issues such as immigration and to cast doubt on mainstream politicians.

Another key ingredient in the post-truth culture, says Prof Grayling, has been the rise of social media.

It's not the soundbite any more, but the "i-bite", he says, where strong opinion can shout down evidence.

"The whole post-truth phenomenon is about, 'My opinion is worth more than the facts.' It's about how I feel about things.

"It's terribly narcissistic. It's been empowered by the fact that you can publish your opinion. You used to need a pot of paint and a balaclava to publish your opinion, if you couldn't get a publisher.

"But all you need now is an iPhone. Everyone can publish their opinion - and if you disagree with me, it's an attack on me and not my ideas.

"The fact that you can muscle your way on to the front row and be noticed becomes a kind of celebrity."


"Fake news" on social media became part of the post-election debate in the US - and Prof Grayling warns of an online culture that can't distinguish between fact and fiction.

"Put the words 'did the' into Google and one of the first things you see is, 'Did the Holocaust happen?' and the links will take you to claims that it didn't," he says.


This process is "corrosive of our public conversation and our democracy" and he warns of a culture where a few claims on Twitter can have the same credibility as a library full of research.

Appropriately for a philosopher, he identifies post-modernism and relativism as the intellectual roots "lurking in the background" of post-truth.

"Everything is relative. Stories are being made up all the time - there is no such thing as the truth. You can see how that has filtered its way indirectly into post-truth."

He says this has unintentionally "opened the door" to a type of politics untroubled by evidence.


But hasn't this always been part of the battle of ideas?

Prof Grayling tells the story of Adlai Stevenson, the unsuccessful liberal contender in the 1952 US presidential election, who was told: "Mr Stevenson, every thinking person in America is going to vote for you. And he said: 'Great, but I need a majority.'"

But the philosopher argues that there has been a significant shift beyond the boundaries of election spinning and into something fundamentally different.

He places his argument into a historical perspective, saying the international landscape is more like the volatile, intolerant era before World War Two.

"There are some really uncomfortable parallels with the 1930s," he says.

"These guys have realised you don't need facts, you just lie."

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-38557838.amp
Slagali se sa graylingom inace ili ne, ovo stoji.
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#26949 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:40 Postmodernisti ne idu baš tako daleko...treba biti pošten.
postmodernisti isto tvrde. ako postoji moja istina i tvoja istina i one su u istoj subjektivnoj ravni, onda ne postoji the istina.
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#26950 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

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saint_mirad wrote: 20/06/2022 23:52
dale cooper wrote: 20/06/2022 23:40 Postmodernisti ne idu baš tako daleko...treba biti pošten.
postmodernisti isto tvrde. ako postoji moja istina i tvoja istina i one su u istoj subjektivnoj ravni, onda ne postoji the istina.
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