Pa baš zato što je banalno to je nešto što se dešava.John Cleese wrote: ↑07/06/2022 12:59Nije sporno - banalno jeProject Lucian wrote: ↑07/06/2022 12:56
Šta je sporno bogati, to nemoguće da jedna žena drugoj razori brak. Ma hajte molim vas.
dakle, nova linija armiranih kurtona specijalno za poljsko tržište.
Ne dozivljam to tako. Odvec je... banalno
New York (CNN Business)The Washington Post has suspended reporter David Weigel for one month without pay for retweeting a sexist joke, two people familiar with the matter told CNN on Monday.
Weigel did not respond to a request for comment, but an out-of-office reply from his Post email address said that he would return to work on July 5. Weigel apologized publicly last week for the retweet, saying he "did not mean to cause any harm."
A spokesperson for The Post declined to comment, citing a need for privacy regarding personnel matters.
Weigel's retweet was spotlighted publicly by his colleague, Felicia Sonmez, who recently had a discrimination lawsuit against the paper dismissed, a decision her attorney has said she plans to appeal.
Sonmez sarcastically wrote on Twitter on Friday that it is "fantastic to work at a news outlet where retweets like this are allowed." She attached a screen grab showing Weigel's retweet, which was of a tweet from YouTuber Cam Harless, who joked, "Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it's polar or sexual."
Sonmez, according to messages obtained by CNN, also confronted Weigel in an internal company Slack channel. She tagged him and wrote, "I'm sorry but what is this?"
Sonmez added in the Slack channel that the retweet sent "a confusing message about what the Post's values are."
Others on Friday joined the discussion in the Slack channel, prompting national editor Matea Gold to write, "I just want to assure all of you that The Post is committed to maintaining a respectful workplace for everyone. We do not tolerate demeaning language or actions."
The Post's chief spokesperson, Kris Coratti, also issued a statement to the press that said, "Editors have made clear to the staff that the tweet was reprehensible and demeaning language or actions like that will not be tolerated."
But the public and private admonishment of Weigel's retweet has failed to quell tension inside The Post.
Jose A. Del Real, a reporter at The Post, responded on Twitter Saturday to Sonmez's initial tweet. Del Real said Weigel's tweet was "terrible and unacceptable."
"But," he added, "rallying the internet to attack him for a mistake he made doesn't actually solve anything. We all mess up in some way or another. There is such a thing as challenging with compassion."
Sonmez responded, saying that "calling out sexism isn't 'cruelty,'" but something that is "absolutely necessary."
Sonmez and Del Real then proceeded to engage in a back and forth over Twitter on Saturday, with Del Real ultimately moving to temporarily deactivate his account.
Sally Buzbee, the executive editor of The Post, tried on Sunday morning to rein in the newsroom by sending a memo that reminded staffers "to treat each other with respect and kindness both in the newsroom and online."
"The Washington Post is committed to an inclusive and respectful environment free of harassment, discrimination or bias of any sort," Buzbee added. "When issues arise, please raise them with leadership or human resources and we will address them promptly and firmly."
However, the attempt by leadership to squash the controversy failed again.
Sonmez on Sunday afternoon said on Twitter that Buzbee's note had provided "fodder for *more* harassment" against her.
Del Real reactivated his account and posted a statement on Sunday afternoon, saying he had faced "an unrelenting series of attacks intended to tarnish my professional and personal reputation" after tweeting at Sonmez.
Sonmez proceeded to call Del Real out for blocking her, and said that instead of apologizing he had instead made a series of "false accusations and mischaracterizations" in his statement. Sonmez said, for instance, that she saw "no comments" intending to harm Del Real's reputation.
Sonmez on Sunday evening then tagged Buzbee and Gold on Twitter and said she had reached out to them to discuss the matter, but that she hadn't heard back.
"Retaliation against a colleague for speaking out against sexism is never okay," Sonmez wrote. "I hope Washington Post leaders treat this as the serious issue that it is."
By Monday morning, tension at The Post was still high.
Video technician Breanna Muir responded to Buzbee's all-staff email, applauding Sonmez for "speaking out against harassment, discrimination and sexism."
Muir attached a tweet showing that Micah Gelman, the head of The Post's video team, had once misidentified her as "Breanna Taylor."
"If the Washington Post is committed to an inclusive and respectful environment free of harassment, discrimination or bias of any sort, then can someone please help me understand Micah Gelman and David Weigel's tweets/rts?" Muir asked.
"These tweets/rts not only hurt women in our newsroom but make it extremely difficult to do our best work," Muir added. "Ultimately, it creates a toxic work environment."
Gelman previously did apologize to Muir for misidentifying her. When the incident happened in February, he wrote on Twitter, "In a long thread last night thanking my staff for working exhaustive hours, I inadvertently misidentified Breanna Muir. I reached out to her to apologize and do so here now. We are all working extremely long hours and while this was not intentional, it should not have happened."
Coratti also released a statement at the time noting Gelman "apologized both publicly and privately for his mistake."
"However, we do not take the impact of that error lightly and regret the emotional toll it has had on Breanna," Coratti added. "We have also reached out to her and are committed to fostering an inclusive environment throughout the newsroom."
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/06/medi ... index.html
Bas zato sto je banalno ne bi se trebali time baviti, jer naprosto - zaglupljuje.Project Lucian wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:05Pa baš zato što je banalno to je nešto što se dešava.
Sammo ove naše forumašice se ko biva snebivaju, đe bi to žena ženi napravila, kako to, muškarac je kriv.
jedino im priznajem da dobro znaju farbat ove neke koji kontaju možda i umočit kadkad ako budu dovoljno simpovi.
Pa vidi, danas kad je opasno biti muškarac, potrebno je svijetu otvoriti oči da su žene gore od muškaraca kad je manipulacija u pitanju. Da ne biraju ni vrijeme i žrtvu da ispune svoj neki cilj, šta god to bilo. Tako da banalno da, ali ipak treba da se zna da ne bi smo imali više Amber Heard-ova pos vijetu. koliko je dosad nevinih muškaraca stradalo od ženske pohlepe i zbog mee too pokreta. Niko se tim ne bavi, jer muškarac si izdrži to. Tako da koliko god banalno bilo potrebno je, znam da je teško to shvatiti ali kad se malo potrudiš uspjećeš.John Cleese wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:29Bas zato sto je banalno ne bi se trebali time baviti, jer naprosto - zaglupljuje.Project Lucian wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:05
Pa baš zato što je banalno to je nešto što se dešava.
Sammo ove naše forumašice se ko biva snebivaju, đe bi to žena ženi napravila, kako to, muškarac je kriv.
jedino im priznajem da dobro znaju farbat ove neke koji kontaju možda i umočit kadkad ako budu dovoljno simpovi.
Ali dobro, razumijem da je nekome cak i to tesko shvatiti
Odlična ideja sad će se više pažnje posvetiti prevenciji trudnoće, tako da će biti manje neželjenih trudnoća. Ovo treba uvesti svugdje a istodobno promovisati upotrebu sredstava za prevenciju neželjenih trudnoća.
U medjuvremenu, negdje u Poljskoj:
Samo viči "yes, yes".
Pričamo o Poljskoj.Project Lucian wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:37 Odlična ideja sad će se više pažnje posvetiti prevenciji trudnoće, tako da će biti manje neželjenih trudnoća. Ovo treba uvesti svugdje a istodobno promovisati upotrebu sredstava za prevenciju neželjenih trudnoća.
Znam da je poljska u pitanju, pretpostavljam da će onda žene malo više pažnje početi obraćati na kontracepciju kako bi spriječile neželjenu trudnoću. Ono samokontroliraš se i ne upadaš u krevet bez da razmisliš o konntracepciji prije toga.Bloo wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:43Pričamo o Poljskoj.Project Lucian wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:37 Odlična ideja sad će se više pažnje posvetiti prevenciji trudnoće, tako da će biti manje neželjenih trudnoća. Ovo treba uvesti svugdje a istodobno promovisati upotrebu sredstava za prevenciju neželjenih trudnoća.
Za Crkvu su kondomi i kontracepcija no-no.
Mogo bi ti i ummočit, ako već nisi.
Najveći problem u svemu tome jeste što više niko nikog ne sluša i ne čita, već samo guraju svoje po svaku cijenu. Nema prostora ni za slobodoumlje. Na pomolu je intenzivna polarizacija društva ne samo u Americi i to sa ekstremima i na jednoj i na drugoj strani. Sve je manje i manje sredine.medvjed23 wrote: ↑06/06/2022 14:34 Neko reče: ako moji stavovi odudaraju od činjenica, tim gore po činjenice.
Meni je jasno da su gornju parolu prigrlili opasni ljudi sa desne strane političkog spektra. Njihova težnja je: silom ući u tuđe, pobiti ili protjerati druge i drugačije, a onda - dosljedno, uprkos svim dokazima - tvrditi da nisu oni ništa krivi, ne bi oni ni mrava zgazili. To mi je jasno; takve procese prepoznajem kao loše, ali me ne razočaravaju; očekivani su.
Zna me, međutim, razočarati kad sljepilo pred istinom primijetim kod ljudi koji bi trebali biti protivnici gore spomenutih fašističkih gnjida. I tada, u tom razočaranju, teško se oteti dojmu da je malo onih koji zaista vole istinu i pravdu, te tu ljubav guraju iznad predrasuda i agendi organizacija kojima, u većoj ili manjoj mjeri, pripadaju.
Borba između dobra i zla nekako se povlači po sjenama borbi između ove i one partije, ovog i onog NVO-a, ovog i onog sljepila...
Uglavnom, teška situacija, sumorna stvarnost. Jedna forumska veličina bi rekla da su se prema svemu tome optimalno postavili horsaši; samo se drogirati treba.
brate, kad se ukuca ime ove Sonmez samo ispadaju optužbe, tužbe, protesti... a mene je ova zajebancija kvalitetno nasmijalaomar little wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:18 bukvalno psihopata.
New York (CNN Business)The Washington Post has suspended reporter David Weigel for one month without pay for retweeting a sexist joke, two people familiar with the matter told CNN on Monday.
Weigel did not respond to a request for comment, but an out-of-office reply from his Post email address said that he would return to work on July 5. Weigel apologized publicly last week for the retweet, saying he "did not mean to cause any harm."
A spokesperson for The Post declined to comment, citing a need for privacy regarding personnel matters.
Weigel's retweet was spotlighted publicly by his colleague, Felicia Sonmez, who recently had a discrimination lawsuit against the paper dismissed, a decision her attorney has said she plans to appeal.
Sonmez sarcastically wrote on Twitter on Friday that it is "fantastic to work at a news outlet where retweets like this are allowed." She attached a screen grab showing Weigel's retweet, which was of a tweet from YouTuber Cam Harless, who joked, "Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it's polar or sexual."
Sonmez, according to messages obtained by CNN, also confronted Weigel in an internal company Slack channel. She tagged him and wrote, "I'm sorry but what is this?"
Sonmez added in the Slack channel that the retweet sent "a confusing message about what the Post's values are."
Others on Friday joined the discussion in the Slack channel, prompting national editor Matea Gold to write, "I just want to assure all of you that The Post is committed to maintaining a respectful workplace for everyone. We do not tolerate demeaning language or actions."
The Post's chief spokesperson, Kris Coratti, also issued a statement to the press that said, "Editors have made clear to the staff that the tweet was reprehensible and demeaning language or actions like that will not be tolerated."
But the public and private admonishment of Weigel's retweet has failed to quell tension inside The Post.
Jose A. Del Real, a reporter at The Post, responded on Twitter Saturday to Sonmez's initial tweet. Del Real said Weigel's tweet was "terrible and unacceptable."
"But," he added, "rallying the internet to attack him for a mistake he made doesn't actually solve anything. We all mess up in some way or another. There is such a thing as challenging with compassion."
Sonmez responded, saying that "calling out sexism isn't 'cruelty,'" but something that is "absolutely necessary."
Sonmez and Del Real then proceeded to engage in a back and forth over Twitter on Saturday, with Del Real ultimately moving to temporarily deactivate his account.
Sally Buzbee, the executive editor of The Post, tried on Sunday morning to rein in the newsroom by sending a memo that reminded staffers "to treat each other with respect and kindness both in the newsroom and online."
"The Washington Post is committed to an inclusive and respectful environment free of harassment, discrimination or bias of any sort," Buzbee added. "When issues arise, please raise them with leadership or human resources and we will address them promptly and firmly."
However, the attempt by leadership to squash the controversy failed again.
Sonmez on Sunday afternoon said on Twitter that Buzbee's note had provided "fodder for *more* harassment" against her.
Del Real reactivated his account and posted a statement on Sunday afternoon, saying he had faced "an unrelenting series of attacks intended to tarnish my professional and personal reputation" after tweeting at Sonmez.
Sonmez proceeded to call Del Real out for blocking her, and said that instead of apologizing he had instead made a series of "false accusations and mischaracterizations" in his statement. Sonmez said, for instance, that she saw "no comments" intending to harm Del Real's reputation.
Sonmez on Sunday evening then tagged Buzbee and Gold on Twitter and said she had reached out to them to discuss the matter, but that she hadn't heard back.
"Retaliation against a colleague for speaking out against sexism is never okay," Sonmez wrote. "I hope Washington Post leaders treat this as the serious issue that it is."
By Monday morning, tension at The Post was still high.
Video technician Breanna Muir responded to Buzbee's all-staff email, applauding Sonmez for "speaking out against harassment, discrimination and sexism."
Muir attached a tweet showing that Micah Gelman, the head of The Post's video team, had once misidentified her as "Breanna Taylor."
"If the Washington Post is committed to an inclusive and respectful environment free of harassment, discrimination or bias of any sort, then can someone please help me understand Micah Gelman and David Weigel's tweets/rts?" Muir asked.
"These tweets/rts not only hurt women in our newsroom but make it extremely difficult to do our best work," Muir added. "Ultimately, it creates a toxic work environment."
Gelman previously did apologize to Muir for misidentifying her. When the incident happened in February, he wrote on Twitter, "In a long thread last night thanking my staff for working exhaustive hours, I inadvertently misidentified Breanna Muir. I reached out to her to apologize and do so here now. We are all working extremely long hours and while this was not intentional, it should not have happened."
Coratti also released a statement at the time noting Gelman "apologized both publicly and privately for his mistake."
"However, we do not take the impact of that error lightly and regret the emotional toll it has had on Breanna," Coratti added. "We have also reached out to her and are committed to fostering an inclusive environment throughout the newsroom."
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/06/medi ... index.html
"Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it's polar or sexual.
Welcome to the age of the internet and mass communications.MarlboroGold wrote: ↑07/06/2022 13:54Najveći problem u svemu tome jeste što više niko nikog ne sluša i ne čita, već samo guraju svoje po svaku cijenu. Nema prostora ni za slobodoumlje. Na pomolu je intenzivna polarizacija društva ne samo u Americi i to sa ekstremima i na jednoj i na drugoj strani. Sve je manje i manje sredine.medvjed23 wrote: ↑06/06/2022 14:34 Neko reče: ako moji stavovi odudaraju od činjenica, tim gore po činjenice.
Meni je jasno da su gornju parolu prigrlili opasni ljudi sa desne strane političkog spektra. Njihova težnja je: silom ući u tuđe, pobiti ili protjerati druge i drugačije, a onda - dosljedno, uprkos svim dokazima - tvrditi da nisu oni ništa krivi, ne bi oni ni mrava zgazili. To mi je jasno; takve procese prepoznajem kao loše, ali me ne razočaravaju; očekivani su.
Zna me, međutim, razočarati kad sljepilo pred istinom primijetim kod ljudi koji bi trebali biti protivnici gore spomenutih fašističkih gnjida. I tada, u tom razočaranju, teško se oteti dojmu da je malo onih koji zaista vole istinu i pravdu, te tu ljubav guraju iznad predrasuda i agendi organizacija kojima, u većoj ili manjoj mjeri, pripadaju.
Borba između dobra i zla nekako se povlači po sjenama borbi između ove i one partije, ovog i onog NVO-a, ovog i onog sljepila...
Uglavnom, teška situacija, sumorna stvarnost. Jedna forumska veličina bi rekla da su se prema svemu tome optimalno postavili horsaši; samo se drogirati treba.
Nije komplikovanije nego je baš to, to.
Iz toga sta i kako pises, prilicno je lako zakljuciti ko si i sta si.
Pa počeo si sa plitkoumnim prostaklucima, zar si očekivao smisleniji odgovor na očigledno trolovanje.John Cleese wrote: ↑07/06/2022 14:03Iz toga sta i kako pises, prilicno je lako zakljuciti ko si i sta si.
I zaista je nepotrebno da to dodatno ilustriras plitkoumnim prostaklucima
Ovi tzv "ljevičari" u USA prave živu smijuriju od društva u cjelini. Jbt ne smiješ se više ni našaliti na račun žena odma si mrzitelj žena i neka snowflake se nađe uvrijeđena. Mahajte molim vas.konoplja wrote: ↑07/06/2022 14:10 Cirkus u Washington Postu. Digla se hajka na kolegu reportera jer se usudio da retweeta salu o zenama. Uvrjedena kolegica je uspjela izganjati pravdu i kolega je suspendovan da mjesec dana bez place. Ali to nije sve, inicijalni lov je razotkrio da su podjele dublje i da ponasanje radnih kolega jednih prema drugima vise dolikuje srednjoj skoli nego jednoj ozbiljnoj novinarskoj kuci sa reputacijom. Izgleda da mediji koji neprestano rade na polarizaciji drustva pokazuju znakove interne polarizacije ili je to samo logicni zakljucak taktike stvaranja in and out grupa i ovaj rasplet je bio neizbjezan.
Manje kurvaluka i manje ubistava.
