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Benjo34
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#89251 Re: Ukrajina

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Ne vidim zašto bi USA vršila ikakav pritisak na Ukre da pristanu na bilo kakve pregovore.

Njima je ovo san snova. Rokaju se sa Orcima bez da njihovi ginu. Vojno industrijski kompleks trlja ruke, ekonomski ne štete sebi, a Orke dave i uništavaju u svakom smislu. Ako još uvijek neko razmišlja o Rusima kao o 2 sili na svijetu, trk kod doktora.

Ono što je sigurno je da je Kina, još veći tigar od papira. Svi vojni sistemi su im kopija ruskih, a ekonomija ovisna o zapadu, prije svega USA tržištu.

Neko je citirao japance nakon napada na Pearl, i zaista, samo su diva probudili.
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#89252 Re: Ukrajina

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Benjo34 wrote: 26/05/2022 20:33 Ne vidim zašto bi USA vršila ikakav pritisak na Ukre da pristanu na bilo kakve pregovore.

Njima je ovo san snova. Rokaju se sa Orcima bez da njihovi ginu. Vojno industrijski kompleks trlja ruke, ekonomski ne štete sebi, a Orke dave i uništavaju u svakom smislu. Ako još uvijek neko razmišlja o Rusima kao o 2 sili na svijetu, trk kod doktora.

Ono što je sigurno je da je Kina, još veći tigar od papira. Svi vojni sistemi su im kopija ruskih, a ekonomija ovisna o zapadu, prije svega USA tržištu.

Neko je citirao japance nakon napada na Pearl, i zaista, samo su diva probudili.
Zito stoji. Moraju brodovi isploviti.
Nije to bas jednostavno tako.
Mora biti neko primirije.
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#89253 Re: Ukrajina

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Ja pročitah naslov: Izrael odbacuje zahtjev USA da isporuči projektile Ukrajini. Šta god to da znači, nema potrebeda kačim link
Riječ je o ATGM Spike projektilima, jbt ih, ima Stugni, Javelina, itd..
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#89254 Re: Ukrajina

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Znam da se kapacitet broda ne može porediti sa bilo čime, ali zar nije moguće to žito željeznicom prebaciti u Rumuniju, pa iz njenih luka za dalje?!
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#89255 Re: Ukrajina

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Češka je prebacila borbene helikoptere, tenkove i raketne sisteme u Ukrajinu za borbu protiv rašističke invazije -potvrdio šef Pentagona Lloyd Austin.


Navodno rusko skladište municije u blizini Bakhmuta u plamenu nakon ukrajinskih artiljerijskih udara.
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#89256 Re: Ukrajina

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Naslovnica wrote: 26/05/2022 20:51 Znam da se kapacitet broda ne može porediti sa bilo čime, ali zar nije moguće to žito željeznicom prebaciti u Rumuniju, pa iz njenih luka za dalje?!
Bi da Rusi nisu jedno 4-5 puta gadjali most juzno od Odese. Jedini zeljeznicki most koji vodi do Rumunije.
Ne mogu ga popraviti brzo steta velika
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#89257 Re: Ukrajina

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#89258 Re: Ukrajina

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lajkujMe wrote: 26/05/2022 20:56
Naslovnica wrote: 26/05/2022 20:51 Znam da se kapacitet broda ne može porediti sa bilo čime, ali zar nije moguće to žito željeznicom prebaciti u Rumuniju, pa iz njenih luka za dalje?!
Bi da Rusi nisu jedno 4-5 puta gadjali most juzno od Odese. Jedini zeljeznicki most koji vodi do Rumunije.
Ne mogu ga popraviti brzo steta velika
Hvala na informaciji. :thumbup:
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#89259 Re: Ukrajina

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#89260 Re: Ukrajina

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Bossona wrote: 26/05/2022 20:56 Češka je prebacila borbene helikoptere, tenkove i raketne sisteme u Ukrajinu za borbu protiv rašističke invazije -potvrdio šef Pentagona Lloyd Austin.


Navodno rusko skladište municije u blizini Bakhmuta u plamenu nakon ukrajinskih artiljerijskih udara.
Ne kontam odakle Rusima skladište municije u blizini Bakhmuta, zar se tamo ne vode borbe?
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#89261 Re: Ukrajina

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Za sada funkcionišu samo kamioni, razlika je naravno drastična.
Ukraine exported around 28,000 tonnes of grain by truck from May 1 to 22. In peacetime, Ukraine, a major global grain grower and exporter, ships abroad up to 6 million tonnes a month of grain.
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#89262 Re: Ukrajina

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Evo detaljno objasnjenih problema sa izvozom zita iz Ukrajine, situacija nije nimalo dobra. Ni ja nisam bio svjestan o kojoj se ogromnoj kolicini radi.

https://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/ ... n-ukraine
After the Ukrainian sea ports were blocked, grain exporters turned their eyes to the railroad.

Cargo can be transshipped or transferred to European countries through 13 railway border crossings: four with Poland, two with Slovakia, two with Hungary, three with Romania, and two with Moldova.

The designed throughput of these 13 railway border crossings is about 3,400 cars per day. This corresponds to approximately 220,000 tons of various cargo, of which 731 wagons or approximately 50,000 tons of grain can be transferred daily. Yet, only 20,000 tons of grain cross the border per day now.

The principal problem is that Ukrainian and European railroads use completely different gauges. For example, the Ukrainian railroad gauge is 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 27/32 in) while European railroads use the standard 1,435 mm (4 ft 8.5 in) gauge. Therefore, Ukrainian and European gauge and rolling stock are completely different both in dimensions and parameters. And it isn’t possible to simply exchange cargo and goods and move rolling stock across the border. Thus, the transshipment from the Ukrainian cars to European cars in points where Ukrainian gauge 1,520 mm and European gauge 1,435 mm are adjacent isn't feasible.

The second way is to change wheel sets on the Ukrainian car. There are five wheel set change points, but they are not used much due to the difference in dimensions of Ukrainian and European cars. Each time it is necessary to match the route on which Ukrainian cars with the changed wheel sets can move. There are only a few such routes. Therefore, this method of changing wheel sets is of limited use.

There are also three other problems. First, exporters use the existing border crossings unevenly. Of the 13 railway border crossings, only five operate at full capacity. These are Izov at the Polish border crossing, Uzhgorod, Chop, and Romanian border crossings. These five border crossings are fully loaded because exporters prefer to send cargo to these locations. The remaining eight border crossings are loaded only at 30% to 50% of their capacity. Exporters, therefore, should build new logistics chains outside the territory of Ukraine to fix with European carriers the movement of grain along the new routes.

The second problem is that the European infrastructure and carriers were not ready for a sharp increase in the volume of grain cargo transportation. European carriers did not have a sufficient number of grain cars with a gauge of 1,435 mm. They also don't have enough locomotive fleet to handle this additional flow of Ukrainian grain. And, of course, they have infrastructural limitations. For example, in Romania and Moldova sections have weight restrictions for the train, thus the weight of the train there must not exceed 2,700 tons while in Ukraine such trains run with a weight of 5,400 tons.

The third problem involves bureaucratic delays at the border associated with customs clearance, border inspection, phytosanitary and veterinary control. In contrast to export grain by sea where only one set of certificates is required for the entire cargo, exporting grain by rail requires one set of certificates per car.

Because of all these problems, the time for grain to cross borders now may be up from two to three weeks while the corresponding certificates are valid for only 15 days.

EXPORT BY TRUCK IS A UTOPIA
Exporters are also trying to export grain by trucks. Some Ukrainian grain market analysts suggested that it is possible to export up to 40,000 tons of grain per day by (or 1.2 million tons per month) using 2,000 trucks. These analysts completely ignore the fact that the turnover of the grain truck from silo to port abroad may take an average of at least five days. This means the fleet must consist of at least 10,000 grain trucks. In order to operate 24/7, each truck must be operated by two drivers who also need to rest periodically. In order to export 1.2 million tons of grain per month, there must be a fleet of at least 10,000 trucks with at least 20,000 drivers who speak foreign languages fluently. This is a utopia.

A BLEAK FUTURE
Until Ukrainian sea ports become unblocked, the real volume of grain that can be exported will not exceed 25 to 30 million tons per year under the best scenario. This is only from 30% to 50% of the prewar Ukrainian grain export.

Keep in mind, too, that the logistic costs of export by rail or trucks has already gone through the roof. For example, the cost to deliver grain to sea ports abroad may reach $150 to $250 USD per ton.

This year Ukraine expects to harvest about 70 million tons of grain. Considering the carry on stocks of grain are now about 40 million tons and available total storage capacity of is 60 to 65 million tons, there will be no room to store up to 50 million tons of grain. Provided the ports remain blocked a large number of grain producers may go bankrupt because they will be unable to sell their grain. This means there may be no next sowing season for them and the next harvest will be much smaller than this year's crop. The Ukrainian grain export in 2023/2024 may look very thin.

THE CONCLUSION
Until Ukrainian seaports are unblocked, the world food crisis may get worse. Thus, it is in the interest of the whole world to help Ukraine win the war with Russia.
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#89263 Re: Ukrajina

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🌻Bub čivija
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#89264 Re: Ukrajina

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Gore je no što se misli...
Ukraine’s foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba said today that the military situation in eastern Ukraine is much worse than people say it is, reports Reuters. During a live question and answer session on Twitter, Kuleba said that the military situation in Ukraine’s eastern part is worse than many people say. Kuleba added that Ukraine still needs heavy weaponry to effective fight Russia.
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#89265 Re: Ukrajina

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Problem sa vozovima i sirinom šina izmedju evrope i sssra. Osiguranje u slucaju rata :)
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#89266 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 26/05/2022 21:24 Problem sa vozovima i sirinom šina izmedju evrope i sssra. Osiguranje u slucaju rata :)
Sad se pitam da li je Ukrajina mogla izbjeci invaziju da je nakon 2014. prilagodila sine evropskom standardu.
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#89267 Re: Ukrajina

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Nafuram se na NATO, pomoc, hu ha....podrzavaju nas i onda procitam stenogram sa danasnjeg sastanka i sta onaj laktaski krmak sve hladno rece ovoj iz UK, i skontam on sere ima 15g i niko nista i vratim se na fabricke.

Zato braco Ukrajinci bolje ratovat 20g nego imat ovaj k od Dejtona.

Slava Ukrajini
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#89268 Re: Ukrajina

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Talijan gori od francuza jos uvijek se uvlaci :skoljka: :evil:
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#89269 Re: Ukrajina

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geralt wrote: 26/05/2022 21:27
sumirprimus wrote: 26/05/2022 21:24 Problem sa vozovima i sirinom šina izmedju evrope i sssra. Osiguranje u slucaju rata :)
Sad se pitam da li je Ukrajina mogla izbjeci invaziju da je nakon 2014. prilagodila sine evropskom standardu.
Nije, pogotovu u donbasu. Vise vjerujem da je covid pokvario planove i da je ovo mislii i prije izvest.
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#89270 Re: Ukrajina

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elcaliente wrote: 26/05/2022 20:31
A_A_AKCIJA wrote: 26/05/2022 20:26

Taktičari ratuju, stratezi misle i planiraju, dok analitičari pogađaju.

I mnogi su pogodili i predvidili upravo sve što se dešava. Svi koji su rekli da Rusi neće ostvariti svoje strateške ciljeve. I koji su vjerovali Ukrajini.
Sorry, mislio sam analIticari.
Ali odakle ruske strateske ciljeve?
Ili mislis na ono sto neko u medijima izjavi da misli da su to ruski ciljevi.
Denacifikacija, demilitarizacija...

Nisu ubili Zelinskog
Nisu zauzeli Kijev
Nisu postavili marionetsku vladu
Nisu uništili suverenitet Ukrajine

Onda, plan B
Nisu uzeli istočno od Dnjepra
Nisu uzeli obalu do Transnjistrije

Ko zna koji plan
Nema kotlova,
Nisu uzeli Donbas i Lugansk

Jedini plan koji su ostvarili je Mariupolj, iako nije strateški.

Ukrajina je skoro sve ostvarila:
Uspješna odbrana
Strateška savezništva sa zapadom
Uništavanje neprijatelja
Oslobađanje države (Kijev, Sumy, Chernihiv, Harkiv)
Naoružavanje i priprema kontraofanzive.
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#89271 Re: Ukrajina

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ultrajvosa 1987 wrote: 26/05/2022 21:33 Nafuram se na NATO, pomoc, hu ha....podrzavaju nas i onda procitam stenogram sa danasnjeg sastanka i sta onaj laktaski krmak sve hladno rece ovoj iz UK, i skontam on sere ima 15g i niko nista i vratim se na fabricke.

Zato braco Ukrajinci bolje ratovat 20g nego imat ovaj k od Dejtona.

Slava Ukrajini
Zato i ponavljam ko lud naša najbolja karta je Ukrajina i njena armija da ih slome vojno. Za koju god stranku glasali, kom se bogu molili, ili klub navijali, nema veze, oni su nam najjači adut
Zato 1.20 nema druge :bih:
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#89272 Re: Ukrajina

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Naslovnica wrote: 26/05/2022 21:01
Bossona wrote: 26/05/2022 20:56
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Češka je prebacila borbene helikoptere, tenkove i raketne sisteme u Ukrajinu za borbu protiv rašističke invazije -potvrdio šef Pentagona Lloyd Austin.

Navodno rusko skladište municije u blizini Bakhmuta u plamenu nakon ukrajinskih artiljerijskih udara.
Ne kontam odakle Rusima skladište municije u blizini Bakhmuta, zar se tamo ne vode borbe?
Vode se borbe, vjerovatno se radi o isturenom manjem skladištu municije za popnu jedinica koji je pogođen od strane ukrajinske artiljerije
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/25/7348512/
Last edited by Bossona on 26/05/2022 21:48, edited 1 time in total.
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#89273 Re: Ukrajina

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Uu al frkti oko njih bili je sinoc slicnij snimaka
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#89274 Re: Ukrajina

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U vezi ovog često spominjanog japanskog admirala i njegove izjave da su samo probudila diva, navodno
Isoruku Yamamoto “Bojim se da smo ovime samo probudili uspavanog diva i ispunili ga stravičnim gnjevom.”

ko pamti i ko je pratio Ameriku nakon 11.9.2001 u periodu od godinu, dvije mogao je naslutiti šta to ustvari znači,
ta Amerika nema ništa slično sa vremenom prije napada ili sa današanjom kakvu je znamo,
tih dana ih se zaista svako bojao i fraza "ili ste sa nama ili protiv nas" je bio fakt na terenu.
ne ponovolio se nikad više.

ovaj rat u Ukrajini je daleko od takvog "buđenja diva", samo ispomoć i možda prilika kako neki tumače.
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#89275 Re: Ukrajina

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Bossona wrote: 26/05/2022 21:48
Naslovnica wrote: 26/05/2022 21:01
Ne kontam odakle Rusima skladište municije u blizini Bakhmuta, zar se tamo ne vode borbe?
Vode se borbe, vjerovatno se radi o isturenom manjem skladištu municije za popnu jedinica koji je pogođen od strane ukrajinske artiljerije
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/25/7348512/
To i ja pretpostavljam.
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