jasib wrote: ↑12/01/2022 13:26
joint union wrote: ↑12/01/2022 12:26
Realno, tesko. Kako mislis naruciti npr. šine bez izvrsenih geodetskih radova? Kako znati koje kolicine i koje duzine, ne znam ima li nekih specijalnih savijenih itd? To mozes tek nakon potpisivanja ugovora, izlaska geometara na teren, izrade projekta...
Kada ti neko da ponudu za ovakvu vrstu robe,ona ima rok vaznosti, a za celik ili proizvode od celika u ponudu se ugradi i formula konacne cijene gdje figurira cijena celika na LME na datum narudzbe.
Pa valjda prema izvedbenom projektu, kojem prethode geodetska snimanja. Ili ti želiš reći da se prvo raspiše tender, odaberu izvođači, pa tek onda slijedi geodetska snimanja i projektna dokumentacija
Mozes imati ili jedno ili drugo.
Moze investitor, u ovom slucaju Vlada KS, napraviti ili zaduziti nekog da mu napravi glavni projekat, pa prema tom projektu raspisati tender.
Ili, raspisati tender sa preliminarnim kolicinama (kao prema nekom idejnom projektu) kojim daju i projektovanje i izgradnju onom ko dobije tender.
E sad, ima jos caka, obzirom da se ovdje radi o rekonstrukciji (pa ne trebas imati recimo okolisnu, gradjevinsku itd dozvolu) i tu su malo drugacija pravila. Mene recimo zanima i kako ce u rekonstrukciju ugraditi obecani put prema Bulevaru, obzirom da ga nije prije bilo.
Evo iz FIDIC-a oko projektovanja, pa je pitanje koji od ovih je kod nase pruge:
Conditions of Contract for Construction,
which are recommended for building or engineering works designed by the Employer or by his representative, the Engineer. Under the usual arrangements for this type of contract, the Contractor constructs the works in accordance with a design provided by the Employer. However, the works may include some elements of Contractor-designed civil, mechanical, electrical and/or construction works.
Conditions of Contract for Plant and Design-Build,
which are recommended for the provision of electrical and/or mechanical plant, and for the design and execution of building or engineering works. Under the usual arrangements for this type of contract, the Contractor designs and provides, in accordance with the Employer’s requirements, plant and/or other works; which may include any combination of civil, mechanical, electrical and/or construction works.
Conditions of Contract for EPC/Turnkey Projects,
which may be suitable for the provision on a turnkey basis of a process or power plant, of a factory or similar facility, or of an infrastructure project or other type of development, where (i) a higher degree of certainty of final price and time is required, and (ii) the Contractor takes total responsibility for the design and execution of the project, with little involvement of the Employer. Under the usual arrangements for turnkey projects, the Contractor carries out all the Engineering, Procurement and Construction (EPC): providing a fully-equipped facility, ready for operation (at the “turn of the key”).
Short Form of Contract,
which is recommended for building or engineering works of relatively small capital value. Depending on the type of work and the circumstances, this form may also be suitable for contracts of greater value, particularly for relatively simple or repetitive work or work of short duration. Under the usual arrangements for this type of contract, the Contractor constructs the works in accordance with a design provided by the Employer or by his representative (if any), but this form may also be suitable for a contract which includes, or wholly comprises, Contractor-designed civil, mechanical, electrical and/or construction works.
