F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting

[Impressum]

Moje misljenje je da je Leclerc novi Alesi, nemam osjecaj da ce ikad opravdati taj hajp oko njega. Ovo sa Sainzom je bas bio nizak udarac.Mozda grijesim, ali sta cu.

iduca sezona bi trebala donijeti promjene
pa cemo vidjeti ko je novi Maldonado, a ko Mansell

ja mislim da ce Russell cuda praviti dogodine

[laik1981]

I isto tako dvije trecine fanova f1 su i fanovi ferrarija. Jedina ekipa za koju se navija sirom svijeta. Kod ostalih ekipa su vozaci oni za koje se navija. Da vidim onog ko navija za RB ili za mecku ako izuzmemo drzave iz kojih dolaze, dok se tribine crvene od Brazila do Japana. Ferrari je institucija, RB limenka pica, a mercedes kao ekipa bi nam falio koliko i bmw. Ferrari je statusni simbol i mastarija iz djetinjstva svakog vozaca u f1.

Ferari samo može šumaheru zahvaliti na velikoj popularnosti i bazi navijaca i još uvijek zivi na racun te stare slave. Ipak su danas stvari postavljene malo drugacije pa je na društvenim mrežama recimo meklaren mnogo popularniji od ferarija, dok na tribinama ni blizu nije toliko izrazena dominacija ferarija, kakve dvije trecine, a da ne pricamo da su vozaci kao pojedinci daleko popularniji od timova, više kimi i perez imaju navijaca od ferarija .

Ferrari je bio institucija i planetarno ubjedljivo najpopularnija f1 ekipa i prije Schumahera, a to je i sve do danas. F1 bez Ferrarija bi imala popularnost one elektricne formule. Pratioci na drustvenim mrezama nisu mjerilo popularnosti. Samo pogledati tribine sirom svijeta u zadnjih deseta godina. I Mclaren je planetarno popularan ali ni blizu ferrarija. Po drustvenim mrezama su i odredjeni fudbaleri popularniji od najvecih svjetskih fudbalskih klubova i to nije nikakvo realno mjerilo. Slazem se da su vozaci popularniji od timova ali to vazi za sve timove osim Ferrarija.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Evo dva interesantna teksta, prvi u ovom, a drugi cu izdvojiti u zaseban post, za one koji razumiju anglo-americki.

Prvi tekst je sa wtf1 o tome sta su naredni koraci i sta se moze desavati.

Mislim da je maksimum koji Mercedes moze izvuci kešovina ili u najgorem slučaju po sve nas-neki mafijaški dogovor koji ce im omoguciti daljnju dominaciju )

HERE’S WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF MERCEDES APPEAL VERSTAPPEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP

Posted on December 13, 2021 | by Hannah Prydderch

They’ve been fighting on track and before the stewards, but now Red Bull and Mercedes could be on their way to settle the championship in court. The Silver Arrows have announced their intention to appeal the stewards’ decision to dismiss their protest against the Safety Car restart on the final lap of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

Surprisingly, this isn’t the first time a team a season finale has ended in the courtroom. In 2007, McLaren’s attempts to have Williams’ Nico Rosberg and BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica disqualified from title-deciding Brazilian Grand Prix for an apparent fuel infringement was thrown out. If successful, Lewis Hamilton would have been crowned champion rather than Kimi Raikkonen.

So how does this appeal system work, and what happens next?

WHERE DO THEY APPEAL TO?

Under Article 15.1.5 of the FIA’s International Sporting Code, if a team are unhappy with a stewards’ decision, they can appeal to the International Court of Appeal (ICA).

The ICA isn’t a regular court. It’s dedicated exclusively to settling disputes across the various FIA championships worldwide. Made up of 36 elected judges, it’s independent from the FIA, so no officials can interfere with their decisions.

HOW DO THEY APPEAL?

According to Article 10 of FIA’s Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, Mercedes had to give a written notice of an intention to appeal within one hour of the stewards’ dismissing their protest, and they’ll need to pay a €6,000 deposit.

This isn’t the appeal itself, but more of a ‘we’re thinking about it’. From there, they’ll have 96 hours to decide whether or not to actually go through with it and inform the stewards of their choice.

Mercedes will then have 15 days to detail why the Sporting Regulations were breached at the restart and that the stewards were wrong to throw out their protest. The stewards then have a further 15 days to present their response.

After that, all those involved needed to wait another fifteen days, although these time limits may be shortened if all sides agree to it. Can anyone else spot the problem here? This is taking at least a month already, and nobody’s come to a decision yet.

When Alfa Romeo tried to appeal Kimi Raikkonen and Antonio Giovinazzi’s 30-second time penalties for clutch offences at the start of the 2019 German Grand Prix, the appeal took almost two months to be decided.

Their appeal was ultimately unsuccessful, allowing Robert Kubica to keep Williams’ only point of the season.

Haas’ appeal against Romain Grosjean’s disqualification from sixth-place at the 2018 Italian Grand Prix took around the two-month mark as well. The judges upheld the decision to exclude him for an illegal floor.

Once everything has been submitted, it’s time for the hearing. A panel is formed of at least three judges, and because F1 is special, Article 2.4 states the panel “shall comprise at least one judge elected on proposal of any group of five competitors of such Championship”. To put it simply, the teams can help decide one of the judges.

At the hearing, both sides present their arguments, calling up witnesses and experts who can be questioned. For example, Mercedes potentially might enlist representatives from their rival teams who would have unlapped themselves under the usual circumstances.

Lastly, the judges can go off to come to a decision in secret. However, they don’t all need to agree as only a simple majority is needed.



WHAT DECISIONS CAN BE MADE?

They can admit or dismiss the appeal, all of it or only parts of it. They can confirm, overturn, reduce or increase any penalties awarded.

Fundamentally for Mercedes, they can annul or amend the results of a competition, but they can’t order it to be re-run.

Consequently, the Abu Dhabi results could be switched back to what they were on the penultimate lap. However, no matter how much Red Bull or Mercedes kick up a fuss, we’re not having another 2021 season finale.

An opinion to re-examine the decision is always there if new evidence is discovered after they’ve made the decision, and no, that doesn’t mean getting Alex Albon to recreate the last two laps, Christian Horner.



WHAT ABOUT SCHUMACHER’S 1997 DISQUALIFICATION?

That decision wasn’t made by the ICA. Michael Schumacher’s disqualification from the 1997 Championship for his controversial title deciding collision with Jacques Villeneuve at the season finale European Grand Prix in Jerez went to a disciplinary hearing at the FIA World Motor Sport Council.

Crucial difference is, the ICA can only act if someone appeals a decision, whereas the stewards can directly reference incidents to the World Motor Sport Council if they think it deserves further punishment without needing an appeal.

Basically, the fight for the 2021 title is probably going to continue on well into the New Year!

[Ateista]

a taj isti Alesi na stolu imao ponudu Williams-a 1991
da vozi umjesto Riccardo Patresea


https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cD8N2.html

Ništa kontra Alesija, solidan vozač. Više sam mislio negativno prema onome šta je tad vozio.

Da nije bilo Schumahera, Ferari nebi ništa osvojio 2000-tih. I iako sam ga ja mrzio, nemam problema reći da je Schumaher najveći svih vremena. Bolji i od Senne i Hamiltona, iako sam za Sennu navijao kao dječak od 8-9 godine, a danas sam fan Lewisa i to zato jer je bio od početka u rovu kontra Ferarija.

Možda su vozačke kvalitete razlikuju u nijansama, ali Schumaher je bio vizionar i veliki radnik. On nije samo vozio, on je stvarao svoje vozilo.

Schumaher je imao srece sto je dosao u vrijeme kada su neke od najvecih legendi prestale coziti - Senna, Prost, Piquet i drugi, te imao srece sto je Senna poginuo, da nije pitanje je kako bi danas izgledao taj poredak, pred njim je bilo jos dosta sezona.
Mozda je imao uticaj na sam Ferari, ali isto tako je Ferari tada bio pouzdan, bilo je brzih timova ali nisu imali dovoljno pouzdane motore.
Onda treba uzeti u obzir njegove nesportske poteze, i dalje mi nije jasno kako nije diskvalifikovan kad je izgurao Daimon Hilla i osvojio titulu, za slican potez su ga diskvalifikovali par godina kasnije u duelu sa Villenuevom.
Bio je dobar vozac ali koji je isao previse na sigurno, dosta pobjedjivao na taktiku tima i slicno. Sjecam se jedne sezone gdje je Montoya pred kraj imao prednost, i bio sigurno prvi na jednoj od zadnjih utrka cime bi napravio solidnu prednost u odnosu na Schumahera, vozac kojeg je stigao za citav krug je cini mi se naglo zakocio i Montoya se slupao, na kraju zbog toga ostao bez titule koju je oscojio Schumaher, bilo je nekih teorija da je taj sto je zakocio to namjerno uradio, da je vozio za neki tim koji je koristio Ferarijeve motore ili nesto slicno, ne sjecam se detalja.
U svakom slucaju, iako jeste najuspjesniji svih vremena, zbog ovoga svega za mene ne moze nikad biti najveci, zato se i nadam da ce ga Hamilton prestici, ne sto volim Hamiltona.

[Juliuscezar]

Koja borba u sezoni je vama ostala najvise u sjećanju kao najbolja, ja se sjecam Perezove odbrane u Istanbulu i ove sada u UAE

[_BataZiv_0809]

Je li Max imao i jednu onako dominatnu pobjedu tipa Brazila, Saudije, Portugals, Catalunya?

1. Austrija
2. Stiria
3. Zandvoort
4. Meksiko
5. USA

Bio bi Azerbejdzan da nije riknula guma.

Imolu sam izbacio jer je Lewis imao polomljeno krilo, mada cca 5 sekundi prednosti u desetom krugu sugerise da nije samo do toga...

[Samprotivsviju]

Ništa kontra Alesija, solidan vozač. Više sam mislio negativno prema onome šta je tad vozio.

Da nije bilo Schumahera, Ferari nebi ništa osvojio 2000-tih. I iako sam ga ja mrzio, nemam problema reći da je Schumaher najveći svih vremena. Bolji i od Senne i Hamiltona, iako sam za Sennu navijao kao dječak od 8-9 godine, a danas sam fan Lewisa i to zato jer je bio od početka u rovu kontra Ferarija.

Možda su vozačke kvalitete razlikuju u nijansama, ali Schumaher je bio vizionar i veliki radnik. On nije samo vozio, on je stvarao svoje vozilo.

Schumaher je imao srece sto je dosao u vrijeme kada su neke od najvecih legendi prestale coziti - Senna, Prost, Piquet i drugi, te imao srece sto je Senna poginuo, da nije pitanje je kako bi danas izgledao taj poredak, pred njim je bilo jos dosta sezona.
Mozda je imao uticaj na sam Ferari, ali isto tako je Ferari tada bio pouzdan, bilo je brzih timova ali nisu imali dovoljno pouzdane motore.
Onda treba uzeti u obzir njegove nesportske poteze, i dalje mi nije jasno kako nije diskvalifikovan kad je izgurao Daimon Hilla i osvojio titulu, za slican potez su ga diskvalifikovali par godina kasnije u duelu sa Villenuevom.
Bio je dobar vozac ali koji je isao previse na sigurno, dosta pobjedjivao na taktiku tima i slicno. Sjecam se jedne sezone gdje je Montoya pred kraj imao prednost, i bio sigurno prvi na jednoj od zadnjih utrka cime bi napravio solidnu prednost u odnosu na Schumahera, vozac kojeg je stigao za citav krug je cini mi se naglo zakocio i Montoya se slupao, na kraju zbog toga ostao bez titule koju je oscojio Schumaher, bilo je nekih teorija da je taj sto je zakocio to namjerno uradio, da je vozio za neki tim koji je koristio Ferarijeve motore ili nesto slicno, ne sjecam se detalja.
U svakom slucaju, iako jeste najuspjesniji svih vremena, zbog ovoga svega za mene ne moze nikad biti najveci, zato se i nadam da ce ga Hamilton prestici, ne sto volim Hamiltona.

mrsko mi odgovarati na sve

To je bilo 2001 godine u brazilu sa Jos Verstappenom, prestizao ga za krug i sudarili se, desavalo se i prije i poslje to u F1...

Montoya ni pod razno nije bio u borbi za titulu te godine, a tek da je izgubio titulu te godine zbog toga...pobjedu da, titulu ni pod razno..Montoya zavrsio sezonu 6ti ni cetvrtinu bodova Suhamera nije imao

[_BataZiv_0809]

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FORMULA 1 / ABU DHABI GP ANALYSIS
Why Masi's latest marginal call has left F1 with a sour taste
By:
Jonathan Noble
Dec 13, 2021, 11:49 AM

When FIA president Jean Todt tweeted a congratulatory message about Formula 1's Abu Dhabi season finale, the responses to it said everything about the scale of unease about Sunday's events.

Why Masi's latest marginal call has left F1 with a sour taste
While Todt praised "all those who made it possible", many fans could not hide their anger at what they felt had been a shambolic running of the final F1 race of the season.

Pouring through the messages, accusations of the FIA having rigged the event, manipulated its own rules and put the desire for a Hollywood-style finish over sporting fairness were rampant.

But, in a year when F1 social media comments have been perhaps more extreme than ever, it was equally telling that many of these opinions were shared within the sport too.

Williams driver George Russell himself felt that the way the late safety car restart had been handled – which ultimately decided the race in favour of Max Verstappen – was not right.

"Max is an absolutely fantastic driver who has had an incredible season and I have nothing but huge respect for him, but what just happened is absolutely unacceptable," wrote Russell. "I cannot believe what we've just seen."

Safety car decision

The controversy revolves around the manner in which F1 race director Michael Masi handled the safety car that had been called out for Nicholas Latifi's crash five laps from the finish.

The procedure had appeared to be pretty normal as the pack formed up behind the Aston Martin, and track officials moved quickly to remove the stricken Williams.


But then things deviated from the norm when Masi informed teams: "Lapped cars will not be allowed to overtake."

That decision meant that, if the race restarted, then Max Verstappen on his fresh soft tyres would need to clear five backmarkers before he could have a shot at snatching the lead, and with it the title, from Lewis Hamilton.

But shortly after a delayed radio message was played from Red Bull boss Christian Horner to Masi, urging him to clear the backmarkers, convention was again broken as on the penultimate lap only a select few cars were told to unlap themselves.


Then, to further compound the confusion, Masi elected to restart the race at the end of that same lap, and not at the end of the following lap as the sporting regulations dictate.

With Verstappen on fresh softs, and Hamilton on well-used hards, it was obvious which man held the clear advantage once battle resumed.

The U-turn on the backmarkers being allowed to unlap themselves, the decision to then only let a few move forward, and then the rushed restart, all came together to leave F1, the FIA and Masi facing a barrage of criticism over what happened.

Ultimately, the circumstances meant Masi played God in being the man who decided which way the championship went, as it depended entirely on that restart call.

And that was perhaps exacerbated by the tyre strategy differences between the top two cars.

If the race had run under the safety car to the finish, then Hamilton was champion. If it resumed, it was obvious that Verstappen had such a tyre advantage that he would move to the front and take the crown.

While the decision-making process of the F1 race director should be completely independent of consideration for the fortunes of individual competitors – as they should all be treated equally – what does not sit easy with a lot of people is the way that the rulebook appears to have been overruled to make things happen.

This was not a case of procedure being followed to the letter, and Hamilton and Mercedes simply being unlucky with how things turned out. Instead, things seem to have been out of the ordinary.

The first message that lapped cars may not overtake was abnormal, because standard procedure is to say nothing until the first instruction comes through about backmarkers unlapping themselves.


So, when the subsequent call was made shortly afterwards to shift a few of the lapped cars out of the way – only those in front of Verstappen and not those between the Dutchman and Carlos Sainz behind him – it pointed to a U-turn.

Then, as Mercedes and its QC Paul Harris argued with the stewards later amid their protest push, Article 48.12 states that the safety car restart can only come at the end of the 'following lap' after backmarkers have been told to unlap themselves.

In the Abu Dhabi case, with the lapped cars being moved on the penultimate lap, then the race should not have been able to get going before the end of lap 58, which was the final lap of the race. So the race should have been timed out.

The rules on this point are explicit, and the FIA accepted that they had not been applied 'fully'. However, the stewards concluded that other regulations overruled this demand, so it was not a breach.

It cited Article 15.3 that states the Race Director shall have "overriding authority" for the safety car. So, when he decided it was coming in, then that is all that matters.

And once the decision was taken to bring the safety car in, which is covered in Article 48.13, then that meant the safety car had to come in that lap – so this overruled 48.12.

Rulebook precedent

This interpretation of certain regulations overruling others – and of the race director having complete free reign over the safety car and other aspects of the race weekend – could set an alarming precedent for the future.

Article 15.3 gives him control over the starting procedure, for example. So does this now mean, in an extreme case, he could start the race when only three lights are shown, and not after the five that separate rules dictate?

This carte blanche approach from the stewards in handing power to the race director means that there is potential for races to be influenced even more by the decisions of the regulator in ways that are not laid down in the rulebook.

Teams ultimately can only operate and prepare themselves in ways where they try to follow the regulations. But if the rules don't count because the race director has authority to override them, then how can that be judged as fair and equal in sporting terms?

Such a concern comes off the back of unease within the F1 paddock about the FIA playing fast and loose with decisions this year, such as the 'play on' mentality of incidents like Verstappen/Hamilton in Brazil or yellow flags being withdrawn quickly in qualifying if cars run off track.

Furthermore, a lack of consistency over penalties this year, allied to confusion from drivers about racing rules, has led to discomfort about the role race control is having in deciding the outcomes of races.


As Red Bull team boss Christian Horner said on Sunday night when asked if the FIA could learn lessons from this year: "I think there's always lessons that you can learn as a team, and in life generally.

"We felt that the decisions at the beginning of the race went against us. We obviously felt that the decision at the end of the race was right. It's been a season like that.

"There's been marginal calls. Some we've benefited from, the majority of which we've lost out from."

Red flag solution

Another justification for what Masi did on Sunday was that he was eager to get the racing rolling again.

During the stewards' hearing Masi said "that it had long been agreed by all the teams that where possible it was highly desirable for the race to end in a "green" condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car)."

While finishing the race under the safety car would likely have triggered criticisms from the Red Bull camp, what makes little sense is why Masi painted himself into a corner over having to make a call on such a safety car restart in the first place.

Ff the desire to get the race finished under green was so important, then it could have been done in a much fairer and more transparent way with a red flag and then a complete fresh restart.

Just a week on from Hamilton feeling uneasy about the need for a red flag to level things up in Saudi Arabia after Mick Schumacher crashed, a race stoppage a few laps from home in Abu Dhabi would have been much more equitable from a sporting perspective.

With both Hamilton and Verstappen allowed to start on fresh tyres, a simple shoot out over one or more laps would have left the competition being decided on track on equal terms – with no outside interference.

It would have been edge-of-your seat entertainment, and would have marked a spectacular end to an amazing season.

Instead, F1 heads in to a winter now facing the prospect of an Appeal Court hearing, and, on what should have been grand prix racing's greatest day, accusations from the public that the sport is rigged.

There is also an element that it is deeply unfair on Verstappen too that, after a season where he driven brilliantly and ended as a worthy champion, that there will forever be a cloud over the circumstances that helped him win in Abu Dhabi.


It said much that, as he took in the bizarre ending to the race on Sunday, Hamilton had his own theories about what had played out.

Speaking on team radio just a few corners from the chequered flag, with a message that was not broadcast by F1 on its international feed, Hamilton said: "This race has been manipulated, man."

Judging by the response of many fans after Sunday night's events, he is far from alone in that view.

[beco]

Je li Max imao i jednu onako dominatnu pobjedu tipa Brazila, Saudije, Portugals, Catalunya?

Jest ovako na prvu obe Austrije , Mexico , Monaco ...

Ok Austrija i Mexico

[Sid the sloth]

Ako neko smisli bolji opis neka javi.

[beco]

Je li Max imao i jednu onako dominatnu pobjedu tipa Brazila, Saudije, Portugals, Catalunya?

1. Austrija
2. Stiria
3. Zandvoort
4. Meksiko
5. USA

Bio bi Azerbejdzan da nije riknula guma.

Imolu sam izbacio jer je Lewis imao polomljeno krilo, mada cca 5 sekundi prednosti u desetom krugu sugerise da nije samo do toga...

USA je teško izborena ni blizu priče o dominaciji

[Juliuscezar]

Preboli, bolji vozač ove sezone je osvojio

[Sid the sloth]

Preboli, bolji vozač ove sezone je osvojio

Mislis Asim (Horner) mi zavrsio da osvoji?

[Impressum]

Koja borba u sezoni je vama ostala najvise u sjećanju kao najbolja, ja se sjecam Perezove odbrane u Istanbulu i ove sada u UAE

meni je interesanta bila Alonso vs Hamliton cini mi se u Madjarskoj
Kada je Ocon pobjedio

[PaulTracy]

Najbolje govori ko je više zaslužio

Znači igraju Real i Malaga, posjed lopte 73:27 %, udarci na gol 23:4, udarci u okvir 11:1, korneri 13:1, rezultat 1:1, u 89. minuti igrac Malage pomiluje Benzemu u 16m, sudija svira penal, Real daje gol, pobjeđuje 2:1 i ti to opravdavaš i kažeš "zaslužili su pobjedu, bili su bolji". Ne radi se o tome ko je više zaslužio već o očiglednoj manipulaciji i prevari koja će nesankcionisana proći

[drndalo]

Prihvatio je Alesi ponudu, ali su ga Frank i ekipa poceli zavlacit.

Ovaj se konsultovao sa Nelsonom Piquetom i potpisao za Ferrari.

The rest is history

Mogao je hladno biti 2,3, pa i 4x WDC

Moje misljenje je da je Leclerc novi Alesi, nemam osjecaj da ce ikad opravdati taj hajp oko njega. Ovo sa Sainzom je bas bio nizak udarac.Mozda grijesim, ali sta cu.

Koje sa Sainz-om ?

[Jeremija_Lesina]

Dobro, jel iko zna zašto je Perez penzionisan na samom kraju trke?

Ima li neko zvanično objašnjenje Red Bull-a?

[drndalo]

Moje misljenje je da je Leclerc novi Alesi, nemam osjecaj da ce ikad opravdati taj hajp oko njega. Ovo sa Sainzom je bas bio nizak udarac.Mozda grijesim, ali sta cu.

iduca sezona bi trebala donijeti promjene
pa cemo vidjeti ko je novi Maldonado, a ko Mansell

ja mislim da ce Russell cuda praviti dogodine

Ja bas mislim obratno, da ce izgoriti od hajpa...

[Impressum]

Dobro, jel iko zna zašto je Perez penzionisan na samom kraju trke?

Ima li neko zvanično objašnjenje Red Bull-a?

engine issues

[Impressum]

iduca sezona bi trebala donijeti promjene
pa cemo vidjeti ko je novi Maldonado, a ko Mansell

ja mislim da ce Russell cuda praviti dogodine

Ja bas mislim obratno, da ce izgoriti od hajpa...

pokazao je ozbiljnost kada je Lewis imao Covid
vidjeti cemo
jedva cekam

[Samprotivsviju]

iduca sezona bi trebala donijeti promjene
pa cemo vidjeti ko je novi Maldonado, a ko Mansell

ja mislim da ce Russell cuda praviti dogodine

Ja bas mislim obratno, da ce izgoriti od hajpa...

Eno ga vec je poceo da se Totu u pakas uvlaci

[sve_ovo_ja]

Dobro, jel iko zna zašto je Perez penzionisan na samom kraju trke?

Ima li neko zvanično objašnjenje Red Bull-a?

Bila je teorija ne znam ima li (i ako da koliko) istine u njoj, da je krenuo sa manje goriva da bi bio brži na početku/sredini trke da pomogne Maxu, i ne bi imao dovoljno na kraju na mjerenju.

[Jeremija_Lesina]

Dobro, jel iko zna zašto je Perez penzionisan na samom kraju trke?

Ima li neko zvanično objašnjenje Red Bull-a?

engine issues

Dobro je, spasiše ga na vrijeme, da mu ne rikne motor na utrci

[Sid the sloth]

Dobro, jel iko zna zašto je Perez penzionisan na samom kraju trke?

Ima li neko zvanično objašnjenje Red Bull-a?

Bila je teorija ne znam ima li (i ako da koliko) istine u njoj, da je krenuo sa manje goriva da bi bio brži na početku/sredini trke da pomogne Maxu, i ne bi imao dovoljno na kraju na mjerenju.

Ako je istina onda svaka cast na pripremi iako im nista na kraju nije pomoglo. Sto opet govori da je Horner bio spreman i na taj scenarij i dobro se pripremio cak i za ove stvari kakve su se desile na kraju. Nesto mi djeluje nevjerovatno da mu je u trenutku palo na pamet ono sto su uradili i da je mislio da ce to ustvari proci iako je potpuno kontra svim pravilima.

[drndalo]

Ja bas mislim obratno, da ce izgoriti od hajpa...

pokazao je ozbiljnost kada je Lewis imao Covid
vidjeti cemo
jedva cekam

Upravo zato mislim da ce usrati, da pati od kompleksa vise vrijednosti... Jedna trka, premal je to uzorak svima, pa i njemu samom...