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Challenger_ wrote: 13/08/2021 15:50
invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 15:35 Ma ovo nije ni stvar oruzja ni snage talibana...vojska nece da se bori i tjt. Gaze ih i uzimaju utvrdjene gradove sa gotovo iskljucivo lakim naoruzanjem
Upravo.

Očekivani poraz instaliranih struktura.
Pogledati nas rat....kandahar ima skoro duplo stanovnika nego sarajevo i da tako pdne...a vamo ga cuva obucena vosjka, polozaji spremni, tehnika ...i to sve padne za dva dana :-) pa ne bi da su im atomsku bacili, a ne dosli sa pamovima i minobacacima kao najjacim oruzjem
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detroit-mercy wrote: 13/08/2021 16:16Afganistan je problem zadnjih sto godina i nema ko se nije izredao u njemu, od Britanaca, preko Rusa do Amera i jedina konstanta je da je i dalje problem.
Ma da, nisu američki debili stvorili problem i monstruma koji mu je sad došao glave, "oni su problem oduvijek".
Priča za političke analfabete i advokate potpuno promašene i poražene politike.

Ama, boli me neka stvar, to vi među sobom: "Historija, Gavganistan, Kabul, Kandahar, Pakistan, Islamabad, historija" pa opet u krug.


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invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 16:22Pogledati nas rat....kandahar ima skoro duplo stanovnika nego sarajevo i da tako pdne...a vamo ga cuva obucena vosjka, polozaji spremni, tehnika ...i to sve padne za dva dana :-) pa ne bi da su im atomsku bacili, a ne dosli sa pamovima i minobacacima kao najjacim oruzjem
Jasno kao dobar dan.
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invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 16:22
Challenger_ wrote: 13/08/2021 15:50

Upravo.

Očekivani poraz instaliranih struktura.
Pogledati nas rat....kandahar ima skoro duplo stanovnika nego sarajevo i da tako pdne...a vamo ga cuva obucena vosjka, polozaji spremni, tehnika ...i to sve padne za dva dana :-) pa ne bi da su im atomsku bacili, a ne dosli sa pamovima i minobacacima kao najjacim oruzjem
I kandahar nije napadnut nego je vojska izbacena - izbacili su ih upravo stanovnici kandahara koji su talibani- poredjenje sa sarajevom 0 bodova
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MorningStar wrote: 13/08/2021 16:32
invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 16:22

Pogledati nas rat....kandahar ima skoro duplo stanovnika nego sarajevo i da tako pdne...a vamo ga cuva obucena vosjka, polozaji spremni, tehnika ...i to sve padne za dva dana :-) pa ne bi da su im atomsku bacili, a ne dosli sa pamovima i minobacacima kao najjacim oruzjem
I kandahar nije napadnut nego je vojska izbacena - izbacili su ih upravo stanovnici kandahara koji su talibani- poredjenje sa sarajevom 0 bodova
Pa i iz Mosula je iracka vojska istjerana od stanovnika...sada nema Mosula nema problema.
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MorningStar wrote: 13/08/2021 16:32
invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 16:22

Pogledati nas rat....kandahar ima skoro duplo stanovnika nego sarajevo i da tako pdne...a vamo ga cuva obucena vosjka, polozaji spremni, tehnika ...i to sve padne za dva dana :-) pa ne bi da su im atomsku bacili, a ne dosli sa pamovima i minobacacima kao najjacim oruzjem
I kandahar nije napadnut nego je vojska izbacena - izbacili su ih upravo stanovnici kandahara koji su talibani- poredjenje sa sarajevom 0 bodova
Ma mislio sam vise na odnos snaga i velicinu grada...ma sta ih je izbacila da su htjeli da se bore ne bi ih niko izbacio...cuj stanovnici :-)

Al eto i da pustis kandahar ima more primjera
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General War wrote: 13/08/2021 16:35
MorningStar wrote: 13/08/2021 16:32

I kandahar nije napadnut nego je vojska izbacena - izbacili su ih upravo stanovnici kandahara koji su talibani- poredjenje sa sarajevom 0 bodova
Pa i iz Mosula je iracka vojska istjerana od stanovnika...sada nema Mosula nema problema.
Ne bas - tamo su isilovci uletili a iracka vojska se razbjezala u panici iako su ih mogli smlatiti - isil se usunjao , usli h dzamije pustili na razglase da uzimaju grad - malo zapucali i 15 000 iracana pobjeglo od 4000 isilovih..
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invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 16:36
MorningStar wrote: 13/08/2021 16:32

I kandahar nije napadnut nego je vojska izbacena - izbacili su ih upravo stanovnici kandahara koji su talibani- poredjenje sa sarajevom 0 bodova
Ma mislio sam vise na odnos snaga i velicinu grada...ma sta ih je izbacila da su htjeli da se bore ne bi ih niko izbacio...cuj stanovnici :-)

Al eto i da pustis kandahar ima more primjera
Kandahar je "duhovni" centar talibanskog pokreta i naravno isti uziva ogromnu podrsku tu - u drugim gradovima je slicna situacija - ovdje talibani zauzimaju zemlju "iznutra" , sta ce vojnik da ratuje a prvi komsija mu je mozda u talibanima i priklat ce ga u po noci..
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MorningStar wrote: 13/08/2021 16:38
invincible1921 wrote: 13/08/2021 16:36

Ma mislio sam vise na odnos snaga i velicinu grada...ma sta ih je izbacila da su htjeli da se bore ne bi ih niko izbacio...cuj stanovnici :-)

Al eto i da pustis kandahar ima more primjera
Kandahar je "duhovni" centar talibanskog pokreta i naravno isti uziva ogromnu podrsku tu - u drugim gradovima je slicna situacija - ovdje talibani zauzimaju zemlju "iznutra" , sta ce vojnik da ratuje a prvi komsija mu je mozda u talibanima i priklat ce ga u po noci..
Da talibani ne uzivaju toliku podrsku iznutra, ona saka jada ne bi mogla nista napraviti. Ocigledno je da velikoj vecini u Afganistanu odgovara drustveno uredjenje koje propagiraju talibani i tu se sva prica zavrsava.
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Zalosna je istina da ne postoji kriticna masa koja je protiv talibana, ako vec nije za treutnu vladu (koja je takodje islamska...), I koja je spremna poginuti za to

Sa druge strane, valjda je svima jasno da ako talibane usa nije zatrla za 20 god ovi ostali nemaju sanse

Nada je bila da ce postici neki dogovor, ali talibani su samo htjeli da ameri odu, sad mogu ratovati dok se boje ne rastope

Mislim da ce ako ostane neka pat pozicija u kojoj postoji usa podrzana grupacija uslijediti napadi na usa+ mete u regiji ili ...

I opet sve iz pocetka
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MorningStar wrote: 13/08/2021 16:37
General War wrote: 13/08/2021 16:35
Pa i iz Mosula je iracka vojska istjerana od stanovnika...sada nema Mosula nema problema.
Ne bas - tamo su isilovci uletili a iracka vojska se razbjezala u panici iako su ih mogli smlatiti - isil se usunjao , usli h dzamije pustili na razglase da uzimaju grad - malo zapucali i 15 000 iracana pobjeglo od 4000 isilovih..
Bio sam u komsiluku tada cijelo vrijeme, narod masovno podrzavao isil...vojska otisla, nikom se nije ginulo za njih...doduse da ne grijesim dusu daleko su talibani od isila..ali..
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u zemlji u kojoj su zene sakrivene iza burke, mlade siromasne djecake kupuju ili otimaju, oblace u zensku odjecu i koriste za privatne zurke pohotnih pedofila

ovo su talibani zabranili, a sve koji prekrse zabranu, seksualno opce sa djecacima pride, vjesaju za muda ali bukvalno

Amerikanci su ovo dozvolili, nakon dolaska americkih trupa procvjetala je djecija pornografija na ulicama afganistanskih gradova, bacha bazi djecaci su legalizovani jer je to "kulturoloska stvar Afganistana".

Mi nemamo pojma koliko su te tamo kulture nastrane, ova nastranost je inace prisutna i u susjednom Pakistanu.
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Narod Paštuni ima oko 37% stanovništva Afganistana, kandahar je čisto paštunski grad, meni nije ništa čudno da se službena vojska povukla nakon odlaska Amera. U Afganistanu (sjeverni dio) ima isti broj Tađik naroda oko 37% i Uzbeka oko 10% i Hazara oko 10%, te djelove zemlje ne drže Talibani i
ako tu pokušaju uzeti imat će mo jedan dugačak rat ili možda stalne napetosti. Sjever zemlje Talibani ne drže a Kabul je uvijek bio podijeljen
procjene nacional geografic su da Paštuni imaju 25% u Kabulu. Tko je kome saveznik nisam baš upućen.
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saimidin wrote: 13/08/2021 17:08
Nada je bila da ce postici neki dogovor, ali talibani su samo htjeli da ameri odu, sad mogu ratovati dok se boje ne rastope
Otprilike tako, osim ako neko drugi sada ne vidi interes i uljeti
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Challenger_ wrote: 13/08/2021 14:20
Point. wrote: 13/08/2021 13:45 Ovi talibani i jesu pakistanski produkt. Na tu adresu treba slati račune.
To može napisati samo politički analfabet.


Zbigniew Brzezinski to the Mujahideen: "Your cause is right and God is on your side!"
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Pakistan, Zalivske monarhije i Izrael (naoružavanje) su bili samo puki saradnici na na američkom projektu. I Talibani i Al Qaeda i Osama bin Laden su direktan produkt tadašnje američke politike.

Ali, *ebe se njih. Proteklih 20 godina su ubirali ekstraprofit od opijuma i heroina a sada ostavljaju haos Iranu, Kini i Rusiji, a Evropi legat u vidu novih miliona migranata.
Tebi je i pomor pčela u Madagaskaru američki projekat, tako da si neozbiljan za bilo kakve rasprave.

Mudžahedini iz Rambo 3 filma nemaju ništa sa talibanima.

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dječak sa šibicama wrote: 13/08/2021 17:10 u zemlji u kojoj su zene sakrivene iza burke, mlade siromasne djecake kupuju ili otimaju, oblace u zensku odjecu i koriste za privatne zurke pohotnih pedofila

ovo su talibani zabranili, a sve koji prekrse zabranu, seksualno opce sa djecacima pride, vjesaju za muda ali bukvalno

Amerikanci su ovo dozvolili, nakon dolaska americkih trupa procvjetala je djecija pornografija na ulicama afganistanskih gradova, bacha bazi djecaci su legalizovani jer je to "kulturoloska stvar Afganistana".

Mi nemamo pojma koliko su te tamo kulture nastrane, ova nastranost je inace prisutna i u susjednom Pakistanu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

In 2011, an Afghan mother in the Konduz province reported that her 12-year-old son had been chained to a bed and raped for two weeks by an Afghan Local Police (ALP) commander named Abdul Rahman. When confronted, Rahman laughed and confessed. He was subsequently severely beaten by two U.S. Special Forces soldiers and thrown off the base.[28] The soldiers were involuntarily separated from the military, but later reinstated after a lengthy legal case.[29] As a direct result of this incident, legislation was created called the "Mandating America's Responsibility to Limit Abuse, Negligence and Depravity", or "Martland Act" named after Special Forces Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland.[30]

In 2015, The New York Times reported that U.S. soldiers serving in Afghanistan were instructed by their commanders to ignore child sexual abuse being carried out by Afghan security forces, except "when rape is being used as a weapon of war". American soldiers have been instructed not to intervene—in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records. But the U.S. soldiers have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the U.S. military was arming them against the Taliban and placing them as the police commanders of villages—and doing little when they began abusing children.[16][34]

According to a report published in June 2017 by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, the US military reported 5753 cases of "gross human rights abuses" by Afghan forces, many of which related to sexual abuse.[35] According to The New York Times, discussing that report, American law required military aid to be cut off to the offending unit, but that never happened. US Special Forces officer, Capt. Dan Quinn, was relieved of his command in Afghanistan after fighting an Afghan militia commander who had been responsible for keeping a boy as a sex slave.[1]

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AleksoMKD wrote: 13/08/2021 18:16
dječak sa šibicama wrote: 13/08/2021 17:10 u zemlji u kojoj su zene sakrivene iza burke, mlade siromasne djecake kupuju ili otimaju, oblace u zensku odjecu i koriste za privatne zurke pohotnih pedofila

ovo su talibani zabranili, a sve koji prekrse zabranu, seksualno opce sa djecacima pride, vjesaju za muda ali bukvalno

Amerikanci su ovo dozvolili, nakon dolaska americkih trupa procvjetala je djecija pornografija na ulicama afganistanskih gradova, bacha bazi djecaci su legalizovani jer je to "kulturoloska stvar Afganistana".

Mi nemamo pojma koliko su te tamo kulture nastrane, ova nastranost je inace prisutna i u susjednom Pakistanu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

In 2011, an Afghan mother in the Konduz province reported that her 12-year-old son had been chained to a bed and raped for two weeks by an Afghan Local Police (ALP) commander named Abdul Rahman. When confronted, Rahman laughed and confessed. He was subsequently severely beaten by two U.S. Special Forces soldiers and thrown off the base.[28] The soldiers were involuntarily separated from the military, but later reinstated after a lengthy legal case.[29] As a direct result of this incident, legislation was created called the "Mandating America's Responsibility to Limit Abuse, Negligence and Depravity", or "Martland Act" named after Special Forces Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland.[30]

In 2015, The New York Times reported that U.S. soldiers serving in Afghanistan were instructed by their commanders to ignore child sexual abuse being carried out by Afghan security forces, except "when rape is being used as a weapon of war". American soldiers have been instructed not to intervene—in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records. But the U.S. soldiers have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the U.S. military was arming them against the Taliban and placing them as the police commanders of villages—and doing little when they began abusing children.[16][34]

According to a report published in June 2017 by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, the US military reported 5753 cases of "gross human rights abuses" by Afghan forces, many of which related to sexual abuse.[35] According to The New York Times, discussing that report, American law required military aid to be cut off to the offending unit, but that never happened. US Special Forces officer, Capt. Dan Quinn, was relieved of his command in Afghanistan after fighting an Afghan militia commander who had been responsible for keeping a boy as a sex slave.[1]

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Pedofilija i ljudska surovost je problem i u najrazvijenijim zemljama
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General War wrote: 13/08/2021 19:11
AleksoMKD wrote: 13/08/2021 18:16

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

In 2011, an Afghan mother in the Konduz province reported that her 12-year-old son had been chained to a bed and raped for two weeks by an Afghan Local Police (ALP) commander named Abdul Rahman. When confronted, Rahman laughed and confessed. He was subsequently severely beaten by two U.S. Special Forces soldiers and thrown off the base.[28] The soldiers were involuntarily separated from the military, but later reinstated after a lengthy legal case.[29] As a direct result of this incident, legislation was created called the "Mandating America's Responsibility to Limit Abuse, Negligence and Depravity", or "Martland Act" named after Special Forces Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland.[30]

In 2015, The New York Times reported that U.S. soldiers serving in Afghanistan were instructed by their commanders to ignore child sexual abuse being carried out by Afghan security forces, except "when rape is being used as a weapon of war". American soldiers have been instructed not to intervene—in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records. But the U.S. soldiers have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the U.S. military was arming them against the Taliban and placing them as the police commanders of villages—and doing little when they began abusing children.[16][34]

According to a report published in June 2017 by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, the US military reported 5753 cases of "gross human rights abuses" by Afghan forces, many of which related to sexual abuse.[35] According to The New York Times, discussing that report, American law required military aid to be cut off to the offending unit, but that never happened. US Special Forces officer, Capt. Dan Quinn, was relieved of his command in Afghanistan after fighting an Afghan militia commander who had been responsible for keeping a boy as a sex slave.[1]

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Pedofilija i ljudska surovost je problem i u najrazvijenijim zemljama
Samo što u tim zemljama ona nije dio kulture. Nije lijepo relativizirati, pogotovo kada su ovako gnusne stvari u pitanju.
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Nebozemlja wrote: 13/08/2021 19:14
General War wrote: 13/08/2021 19:11
Pedofilija i ljudska surovost je problem i u najrazvijenijim zemljama
Samo što u tim zemljama ona nije dio kulture. Nije lijepo relativizirati, pogotovo kada su ovako gnusne stvari u pitanju.
ne pretjeruj, niti se radi o relativizaciji.
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China Will Recognize Taliban As Legitimate Government After Kabul Falls
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General War wrote: 13/08/2021 23:04 China Will Recognize Taliban As Legitimate Government After Kabul Falls
Tamam da im uvale ujgure :D
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U Kandaharu su se samo predali, oko 5000 vojnika.

Talibani trenutno ubijaju sve za koje sumnjaju da su radili za Kabul, na ulicama su lesevi.

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dječak sa šibicama wrote: 13/08/2021 23:24 U Kandaharu su se samo predali, oko 5000 vojnika.

Talibani trenutno ubijaju sve za koje sumnjaju da su radili za Kabul, na ulicama su lesevi.

Ne znam, ali mislim da onih 3000 marinaca nece biti konacna cifra i da ce se nesto morati uraditi u avganistanu, posebno nakon niza video snimaka koji pristizu, ima neke price da se pripremaju NATO jedinice za brze reakcije u roku nekoliko dana da ce se slati u rikverc.
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Jedan lupeta da je Pakistan kriv za sve, drugi fantazira o snagama za brza dejstva koja će, je li, da preokrenu trendove u Afganistanu. Neki ljubičasti isfantazirani svijet.


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Talibani vec imaju jacu helikoptersku jedinicu od BiH :D
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