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cyprus wrote: 02/03/2021 15:58
Sanjarko wrote: 02/03/2021 15:46
cyprus wrote: 02/03/2021 15:36

Pa činjenica da smo mi imali visokog predstavnika iz Slovačke, a ne obrnuto, da su naši ljudi bili počeli ići ko gastarbajteri kod njih, a ne Slovaci kod nas, da je njihov BDP po stanovniku dva do tri puta veći od našeg, te da su po indeksu percepcije korupcije plasirani nekih 50-tak mjesta bolje nas, bojim se da nismo ni blizu... Političare im ne znam iz prve ruke, ali na osnovu svega što znam, ne možemo mi u istu rečenicu sa njima :)
Lajcak je hostapler samo takav. A BDP im je veci jer nisu imali ni izbliza sr*nja i kl*nja kao mi ovdje. Kazem ti kao i mi su, sute, trpe i kipe. Znam po pisanju jednog Slovaka. Samo eto sto im je bolje vise nego nama. Ali kazem ista ih g*vna zajahala ako ne i gora.

Romi u Slovackoj najvise trpe.
Pa sad, kukanje je konstanta kod sve slavorumske braće, i nivoa istog uopšte ne zavisi od nivoa razvijenosti... Eno, gledam Hrvati koliko pizde na svoje političare, tačno ko i mi, ako ne i gore, a država im je realno neuporedivo uređenija nego naša... Isto važi i za Slovake, Poljake, Čehe, Bugare, Ukrajince i čitav taj Istern Jurop blok... Kukanje je isto, ali situacija, nivo razvoja, politička kultura - nisu baš isti... Nego je fazon što svi mi gledamo negdje prema zapadu, upoređujemo se sda njima, i svi su podjednako nezadovoljni... Mada realno - prosječan Slovak ima 100 puta manje razloga da bude nezadovoljan nego prosječni Bosanac... Isto ko što i mi imamo 100 puta manje razloga za biti nezadovoljni u odnosu na Afrikance, ali nam je nivo mentalne mizerije haman jednak... Poenta šta hoću da kažem - stvar je više u psihološkim razlozima, nego objektivnim...
Kazem ti. Stranka/partija i ovaj premijer/predsjednik zesca g*vna, hostapleri i krade umjesane/i u afere, mita, korupcije cak naginju prema fasizmu, nacionalisti zesci. Kao i ovdje Bakir, Dodik, Covic i hobotnica njihova.

Ali sad je to in. Tramp, Putin, Orban, Natanjahu itd. Lista dugacka, ako ne predugacka. :|
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aldinjo wrote: 02/03/2021 15:31
Haris.ba wrote: 02/03/2021 15:30
aldinjo wrote: 02/03/2021 15:22 Baš je interesantno koliko su uporni sa ovim zaključavanjem po ko zna koji put u evropskim državama.
Interesuje me je li Njemačka toliko jaka ekonomski da može finansirati nerad i do kraja ove godine?
Njemacka svake godine imala budzetski visak u milijardama. Imaju Njemci para.
Imaju, ali dokle?
Angela Merkel polako ali sigurno gubi kontrolu kada su u pitanju ove mjere, pa se čak premijeri pokrajina iz njene stranke okreću protiv nje. Jedini koji je donekle podržava je Markus Söder, inače premijer Bavarske.

Također prema ministru financija Olafu Scholzu su već u dugovima zbog lockdowna.
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kio01 wrote: 02/03/2021 00:43
cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 01/03/2021 23:33
kio01 wrote: 01/03/2021 23:22

To ti kazem, WAKE UP SHEEPLE, STOP THE STEEL, Q IS HERE TO SAVE US.
Q je spin i to žešći, što ne znači da su sva ova dešavanja normalna, posebno nakon godinu dana od početka. Odnosno vidimo da većini jeste, jer kao što vidimo dešava se "e, samo su preko vikenda zabranili sjedenje na klupama, al su bile gužve" ili zaključavaju grad od dva milona stanovnika zbog jednog slučaja i imamo samo četiri mjeseca neustavni policijski sat :D

To se ne pravda za Q spinom nego mućneš malo glavom i zapitaš se :stidljiv: Odnosno nemoj, al vraćanja na staro nema, to je valjda jasno.
Znas da su i prije bile pandemije, i da su bile veoma slicne, i gore mjere? Prije 100 godina se u mnogim drzavama, kao npr SAD, isto desavalo ko sada. Nepostivanje mjera, protesti radi zabrane javnih okupljanja, itd. Otkud vam ideja da ce pandemija koja ce najvjerovatnije trajati krace od dvije godine zauvijek promijeniti zakone i ljudske odnose?
Sve bi to imalo smisla da WHO nije mijenjao definiciju panedemije prije desetak godina, da se uveliko ne spominje i promovise The Great Reset odnosno promjena ekonomskog i politickog sistema ( svjetski ekonomski forum ), cetvrta industrijska revolucija odnosno automatizacija proizvodnje uz pomoc cuvene 5G mreze ( svjetski ekonomski forum ), digitalna valuta ( svjetski ekonomski forum + MMF i Svjetska Banka ), covid pasosi koji su vec prosli itd.

Da ne pricam o silnim spinovima, medijskom laganju i guranju samo jedne strane price.

Ko misli da se mi vracamo u vrijeme prije Covida, optimista je i to zestoki. To pricam od Aprila, Maja, nema vracanja na staro pri cemu je dio prava i sloboda nepovratno izgubljen. Samo gledaj.
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cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 02/03/2021 18:05
kio01 wrote: 02/03/2021 00:43
cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 01/03/2021 23:33

Q je spin i to žešći, što ne znači da su sva ova dešavanja normalna, posebno nakon godinu dana od početka. Odnosno vidimo da većini jeste, jer kao što vidimo dešava se "e, samo su preko vikenda zabranili sjedenje na klupama, al su bile gužve" ili zaključavaju grad od dva milona stanovnika zbog jednog slučaja i imamo samo četiri mjeseca neustavni policijski sat :D

To se ne pravda za Q spinom nego mućneš malo glavom i zapitaš se :stidljiv: Odnosno nemoj, al vraćanja na staro nema, to je valjda jasno.
Znas da su i prije bile pandemije, i da su bile veoma slicne, i gore mjere? Prije 100 godina se u mnogim drzavama, kao npr SAD, isto desavalo ko sada. Nepostivanje mjera, protesti radi zabrane javnih okupljanja, itd. Otkud vam ideja da ce pandemija koja ce najvjerovatnije trajati krace od dvije godine zauvijek promijeniti zakone i ljudske odnose?
Sve bi to imalo smisla da WHO nije mijenjao definiciju panedemije prije desetak godina, da se uveliko ne spominje i promovise The Great Reset odnosno promjena ekonomskog i politickog sistema ( svjetski ekonomski forum ), cetvrta industrijska revolucija odnosno automatizacija proizvodnje uz pomoc cuvene 5G mreze ( svjetski ekonomski forum ), digitalna valuta ( svjetski ekonomski forum + MMF i Svjetska Banka ), covid pasosi koji su vec prosli itd.

Da ne pricam o silnim spinovima, medijskom laganju i guranju samo jedne strane price.

Ko misli da se mi vracamo u vrijeme prije Covida, optimista je i to zestoki. To pricam od Aprila, Maja, nema vracanja na staro pri cemu je dio prava i sloboda nepovratno izgubljen. Samo gledaj.
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Sta ovo na Tk ogranicenje rada ugostiteljima do 20h?
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bunk wrote: 02/03/2021 18:32 Sta ovo na Tk ogranicenje rada ugostiteljima do 20h?
:izet: ljudi, ne vade :D
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Guverner Teksasa vratio sve na stanje prije pandemije. Nema vise nikakvih ogranicenja
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ANamelessGhoul wrote: 03/03/2021 02:17 Guverner Teksasa vratio sve na stanje prije pandemije. Nema vise nikakvih ogranicenja
Koliko pelcovanih imaju u Texasu?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/us/c ... today.html

The rapid rise of P.1

Three new studies into the coronavirus variant that first arose in Brazil, known as P.1, depict it as an alarming double threat — capable of both spreading more rapidly and evading antibodies.

The new research tracked the variant’s destructive rise in the Amazonian city of Manaus, which was hit particularly hard in the spring, but seemed to have gotten past the worst of the pandemic by April. (Some scientists believed that the city had reached herd immunity.)

But sometime probably around November, P.1 appeared in Manaus, sparking a record-breaking surge in cases. The variant was particularly devastating because of its increased contagiousness; researchers found it to be 1.4 to 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.

More troubling perhaps was the fact that the variant also gained the ability to infect people who had immunity from past Covid-19 infections. Researchers estimated that out of 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 variants in Manaus last year, between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1.

One big unknown is whether what happened in Manaus will be replicated in other areas. P.1 is now spreading across the rest of Brazil and has been found in 24 other countries. In the United States, it has been found in Alaska, Florida, Maryland, Minnesota and Oklahoma, and experts believe it will become more common.

Nuno Faria, a virologist at Imperial College London who helped lead much of the new research, said it was important to double down on every measure known to slow the spread of the virus.

“The ultimate message is that you need to step up all the vaccination efforts as soon as possible,” he said. “You need to be one step ahead of the virus.”
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daddy-kool wrote: 03/03/2021 07:48
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/us/c ... today.html

The rapid rise of P.1

Three new studies into the coronavirus variant that first arose in Brazil, known as P.1, depict it as an alarming double threat — capable of both spreading more rapidly and evading antibodies.

The new research tracked the variant’s destructive rise in the Amazonian city of Manaus, which was hit particularly hard in the spring, but seemed to have gotten past the worst of the pandemic by April. (Some scientists believed that the city had reached herd immunity.)

But sometime probably around November, P.1 appeared in Manaus, sparking a record-breaking surge in cases. The variant was particularly devastating because of its increased contagiousness; researchers found it to be 1.4 to 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.

More troubling perhaps was the fact that the variant also gained the ability to infect people who had immunity from past Covid-19 infections. Researchers estimated that out of 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 variants in Manaus last year, between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1.

One big unknown is whether what happened in Manaus will be replicated in other areas. P.1 is now spreading across the rest of Brazil and has been found in 24 other countries. In the United States, it has been found in Alaska, Florida, Maryland, Minnesota and Oklahoma, and experts believe it will become more common.

Nuno Faria, a virologist at Imperial College London who helped lead much of the new research, said it was important to double down on every measure known to slow the spread of the virus.

“The ultimate message is that you need to step up all the vaccination efforts as soon as possible,” he said. “You need to be one step ahead of the virus.”
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biglebovski wrote: 02/03/2021 18:20
cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: 02/03/2021 18:05
kio01 wrote: 02/03/2021 00:43

Znas da su i prije bile pandemije, i da su bile veoma slicne, i gore mjere? Prije 100 godina se u mnogim drzavama, kao npr SAD, isto desavalo ko sada. Nepostivanje mjera, protesti radi zabrane javnih okupljanja, itd. Otkud vam ideja da ce pandemija koja ce najvjerovatnije trajati krace od dvije godine zauvijek promijeniti zakone i ljudske odnose?
Sve bi to imalo smisla da WHO nije mijenjao definiciju panedemije prije desetak godina, da se uveliko ne spominje i promovise The Great Reset odnosno promjena ekonomskog i politickog sistema ( svjetski ekonomski forum ), cetvrta industrijska revolucija odnosno automatizacija proizvodnje uz pomoc cuvene 5G mreze ( svjetski ekonomski forum ), digitalna valuta ( svjetski ekonomski forum + MMF i Svjetska Banka ), covid pasosi koji su vec prosli itd.

Da ne pricam o silnim spinovima, medijskom laganju i guranju samo jedne strane price.

Ko misli da se mi vracamo u vrijeme prije Covida, optimista je i to zestoki. To pricam od Aprila, Maja, nema vracanja na staro pri cemu je dio prava i sloboda nepovratno izgubljen. Samo gledaj.
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ACTIVE CASES: 21,774,569 Currently Infected Patients

21,683,692 (99.6%) in Mild Condition

90,877 (0.4%) Serious or Critical
Bojim se da isto razmisljamo. Mislim da povratka na staro nema. Svima je jasno da je virus ispolitiziran i da se pod krinkom istoga provode stvari i kojima se prije samo moglo mastati u krevetu. :run: :izet:
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ja71 wrote: 03/03/2021 05:29
ANamelessGhoul wrote: 03/03/2021 02:17 Guverner Teksasa vratio sve na stanje prije pandemije. Nema vise nikakvih ogranicenja
Koliko pelcovanih imaju u Texasu?
5.7mln od populacije 28mln. Nekih 19% stanovnistva je vakcinisano.
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daddy-kool wrote: 03/03/2021 07:48
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/us/c ... today.html

The rapid rise of P.1

Three new studies into the coronavirus variant that first arose in Brazil, known as P.1, depict it as an alarming double threat — capable of both spreading more rapidly and evading antibodies.

The new research tracked the variant’s destructive rise in the Amazonian city of Manaus, which was hit particularly hard in the spring, but seemed to have gotten past the worst of the pandemic by April. (Some scientists believed that the city had reached herd immunity.)

But sometime probably around November, P.1 appeared in Manaus, sparking a record-breaking surge in cases. The variant was particularly devastating because of its increased contagiousness; researchers found it to be 1.4 to 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.

More troubling perhaps was the fact that the variant also gained the ability to infect people who had immunity from past Covid-19 infections. Researchers estimated that out of 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 variants in Manaus last year, between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1.

One big unknown is whether what happened in Manaus will be replicated in other areas. P.1 is now spreading across the rest of Brazil and has been found in 24 other countries. In the United States, it has been found in Alaska, Florida, Maryland, Minnesota and Oklahoma, and experts believe it will become more common.

Nuno Faria, a virologist at Imperial College London who helped lead much of the new research, said it was important to double down on every measure known to slow the spread of the virus.

“The ultimate message is that you need to step up all the vaccination efforts as soon as possible,” he said. “You need to be one step ahead of the virus.”


Nesto nema bagera i mrtvih po ulicama...
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Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:05
daddy-kool wrote: 03/03/2021 07:48
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/us/c ... today.html

The rapid rise of P.1

Three new studies into the coronavirus variant that first arose in Brazil, known as P.1, depict it as an alarming double threat — capable of both spreading more rapidly and evading antibodies.

The new research tracked the variant’s destructive rise in the Amazonian city of Manaus, which was hit particularly hard in the spring, but seemed to have gotten past the worst of the pandemic by April. (Some scientists believed that the city had reached herd immunity.)

But sometime probably around November, P.1 appeared in Manaus, sparking a record-breaking surge in cases. The variant was particularly devastating because of its increased contagiousness; researchers found it to be 1.4 to 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.

More troubling perhaps was the fact that the variant also gained the ability to infect people who had immunity from past Covid-19 infections. Researchers estimated that out of 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 variants in Manaus last year, between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1.

One big unknown is whether what happened in Manaus will be replicated in other areas. P.1 is now spreading across the rest of Brazil and has been found in 24 other countries. In the United States, it has been found in Alaska, Florida, Maryland, Minnesota and Oklahoma, and experts believe it will become more common.

Nuno Faria, a virologist at Imperial College London who helped lead much of the new research, said it was important to double down on every measure known to slow the spread of the virus.

“The ultimate message is that you need to step up all the vaccination efforts as soon as possible,” he said. “You need to be one step ahead of the virus.”


Nesto nema bagera i mrtvih po ulicama...
Ma bravo. :thumbup:
Nema po ulicama, zato ima po bolnicama...
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adsubzero wrote: 03/03/2021 10:14
Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:05
daddy-kool wrote: 03/03/2021 07:48


Nesto nema bagera i mrtvih po ulicama...
Ma bravo. :thumbup:
Nema po ulicama, zato ima po bolnicama...
8,318 u teskom stanju, a imaju 200 miliona stanovnika, hmm.
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker- ... ers-unions
"Tucker Carlson: Lockdowns are killing our children, and everyone knows it -- including teachers' unions"

https://www.fairhealth.org/press-releas ... ust-2020-1

"The Percentage of Mental Health Claim Lines for Ages 13-18 Compared to All Medical Claim Lines Doubled in March and April 2020 Compared to Same Months in 2019"

Ali ljudski zivoti su nam najbitniji :izet:
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Sjasi ba vise. Za nekoga kome smeta "panika" oko korone, malo mi se previse bavis koronom.
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Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:18
adsubzero wrote: 03/03/2021 10:14
Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:05



Nesto nema bagera i mrtvih po ulicama...
Ma bravo. :thumbup:
Nema po ulicama, zato ima po bolnicama...
8,318 u teskom stanju, a imaju 200 miliona stanovnika, hmm.
Vrlo relevantno... Da, u trenutku kada se dijagnosticira.
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adsubzero wrote: 03/03/2021 10:35 Sjasi ba vise. Za nekoga kome smeta "panika" oko korone, malo mi se previse bavis koronom.
Evo sad cu :izet:
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adsubzero wrote: 03/03/2021 10:37
Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:18
adsubzero wrote: 03/03/2021 10:14

Ma bravo. :thumbup:
Nema po ulicama, zato ima po bolnicama...
8,318 u teskom stanju, a imaju 200 miliona stanovnika, hmm.
Vrlo relevantno... Da, u trenutku kada se dijagnosticira.
Sta je relevantno ? Pozitivni PCR testovi mozda ?
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Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:41
adsubzero wrote: 03/03/2021 10:37
Trappist wrote: 03/03/2021 10:18
8,318 u teskom stanju, a imaju 200 miliona stanovnika, hmm.
Vrlo relevantno... Da, u trenutku kada se dijagnosticira.
Sta je relevantno ? Pozitivni PCR testovi mozda ?
Sve je relevantno, a ne jedan podatak kojeg ti uzimas jer ti je zgodan.
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Još jedan val,.. nigdje kraja ovim talasima,.. :lol:
Opet smo stigli do 30% pozitivnih testova. Treba se nadati da će ovaj biti kraći,.. recimo ne duže od kraja marta.
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ANamelessGhoul wrote: 03/03/2021 02:17 Guverner Teksasa vratio sve na stanje prije pandemije. Nema vise nikakvih ogranicenja
Teksas je država u državi, nesto poput Quebeca, imaju privilegiju da odlučuju za sebe, a da ne prate nista od saveznog nivoa.
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CikCikCikPogodi wrote: 03/03/2021 12:18
ANamelessGhoul wrote: 03/03/2021 02:17 Guverner Teksasa vratio sve na stanje prije pandemije. Nema vise nikakvih ogranicenja
Teksas je država u državi, nesto poput Quebeca, imaju privilegiju da odlučuju za sebe, a da ne prate nista od saveznog nivoa.
Usput, bitno je reci da je guverner republikanac a ne diktatorski demokrata...
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spinel_ wrote: 03/03/2021 12:26
CikCikCikPogodi wrote: 03/03/2021 12:18
ANamelessGhoul wrote: 03/03/2021 02:17 Guverner Teksasa vratio sve na stanje prije pandemije. Nema vise nikakvih ogranicenja
Teksas je država u državi, nesto poput Quebeca, imaju privilegiju da odlučuju za sebe, a da ne prate nista od saveznog nivoa.
Usput, bitno je reci da je guverner republikanac a ne diktatorski demokrata...
Tako se onaj iz Kalifornije se smijao Trumpu i podrzavo njegov opoziv. Sad njemu slijedi opoziv, ali ne pred nekim političarima nego od strane obični ljudi.
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