Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!

[Mogy87]

A što niste pisali o oboljelima od Alzheimera 19.09.2019. godine? Ili su vam tek sada oni postali bitni?

Zato sto ih boli neka stvar za te ljude osim da ih iskoriste kao argument u raspravi.

[armin071]

A što niste pisali o oboljelima od Alzheimera 19.09.2019. godine? Ili su vam tek sada oni postali bitni?

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

[zubi]

A što niste pisali o oboljelima od Alzheimera 19.09.2019. godine? Ili su vam tek sada oni postali bitni?

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

[BadBoy]

A što niste pisali o oboljelima od Alzheimera 19.09.2019. godine? Ili su vam tek sada oni postali bitni?

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

[Domaci izdajnik]

Odjel za pluće bolesti u sred pandemije na 200k stanovnika ima 50 kreveta

Ja, i?

To je kao da dočekaš zimu sa dva metra drva pa kad upekne minus kreneš kukati da ćeš se smrznuti
Ali nije da nisu bili spremni, milioni su uloženi u kovid bolnicu:

[Naslovnica]

@Naslovnica
Citat koji postavljam je sa stranice Svedske vlade. Opet o kredibilnosti izvora. Radio stanica nije kredibilan izvor


The Government also decided to ease the entry restrictions. Previously, EU citizens and their family members, and people with Swedish residence permits, were allowed to enter Sweden if the purpose was to return home. Today’s decision means that the requirement that the purpose of entry must be to return home is removed. Entry is thus allowed for EU citizens and people with Swedish residence permits regardless of the purpose of travel.

https://www.government.se/press-release ... ravellers/

Sa iste stranice...
https://www.government.se/articles/2020 ... en-banned/

Questions and answers – temporary entry ban to the European Union via Sweden
Published 16 April 2020 · Updated 27 August 2020

On 17 March, the Government decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. Following a call from the European Council and the European Commission, the entry ban was introduced to mitigate the effects of the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and reduce the outbreak of COVID-19. The ban has been in effect since 19 March and, in accordance with Commission recommendations, has been extended several times.


Questions and answers – temporary entry ban to the European Union via Sweden

What does the Government’s decision to implement an entry ban mean?
It means that the Government has decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The entry ban does not apply to Swedish citizens. Exemptions from the entry ban are also made for more categories of travellers. These include, for example, foreign citizens with a Swedish residence permit, people with an essential need or function in Sweden, or residents of certain specified countries.


On 17 March, the Government decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. Following a call from the European Council and the European Commission, the entry ban was introduced to mitigate the effects of the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and reduce the outbreak of COVID-19. The ban has been in effect since 19 March and, in accordance with Commission recommendations, has been extended several times.

Basic information
What does the Government’s decision to implement an entry ban mean?
It means that the Government has decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The entry ban does not apply to Swedish citizens. Exemptions from the entry ban are also made for more categories of travellers. These include, for example, foreign citizens with a Swedish residence permit, people with an essential need or function in Sweden, or residents of certain specified countries.

See below for more information on which exemptions apply.

Why has an entry ban been issued?
The EU Member States have given their support to a call from the European Council and the European Commission to take measures to temporarily ban non-essential travel to the EU. The purpose is to mitigate the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is an international emergency requiring a coordinated response. The Government has therefore decided to respond to the call and issue a temporary entry ban in line with the Commission’s recommendations.

How long will the entry ban apply?
The entry ban came into effect on 19 March and initially applied for 30 days. It has now been extended and currently applies until 31 October. It is presently unclear how long the entry ban will apply.


What kind of travel is affected by the entry ban?
The entry ban basically applies to foreign citizens attempting to enter Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. The EEA includes all EU Member States and Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. Under the Withdrawal Agreement between the UK and the EU, the UK is treated as an EEA State during the transition period.

This means entry to Sweden is still allowed from the following countries: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Does the entry ban affect travel within the EU?
No, the entry ban does not affect travel from another EU Member State to Sweden.

What applies to people who live in Denmark or another Nordic country and work in Sweden?
Travel from Denmark, Finland and Norway is not affected by the entry ban.

[armin071]

A što niste pisali o oboljelima od Alzheimera 19.09.2019. godine? Ili su vam tek sada oni postali bitni?

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Nisi vjerovatno bio ni u jajima kada su se pojavili korona virusi ali nek si ti poletio da budeš pametan. Hajde sad masku i na spavanje ubiće te covid. I povedi i zubija ti havera...

[zubi]

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Nisi vjerovatno bio ni u jajima kada su se pojavili korona virusi ali nek si ti poletio da budeš pametan. Hajde sad masku i na spavanje ubiće te covid. I povedi i zubija ti havera...

Nemoj vise, dosta si se prosuo za veceras.

[Mogy87]

@Naslovnica
Citat koji postavljam je sa stranice Svedske vlade. Opet o kredibilnosti izvora. Radio stanica nije kredibilan izvor


The Government also decided to ease the entry restrictions. Previously, EU citizens and their family members, and people with Swedish residence permits, were allowed to enter Sweden if the purpose was to return home. Today’s decision means that the requirement that the purpose of entry must be to return home is removed. Entry is thus allowed for EU citizens and people with Swedish residence permits regardless of the purpose of travel.

https://www.government.se/press-release ... ravellers/

Sa iste stranice...
https://www.government.se/articles/2020 ... en-banned/

Questions and answers – temporary entry ban to the European Union via Sweden
Published 16 April 2020 · Updated 27 August 2020

On 17 March, the Government decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. Following a call from the European Council and the European Commission, the entry ban was introduced to mitigate the effects of the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and reduce the outbreak of COVID-19. The ban has been in effect since 19 March and, in accordance with Commission recommendations, has been extended several times.


Questions and answers – temporary entry ban to the European Union via Sweden

What does the Government’s decision to implement an entry ban mean?
It means that the Government has decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The entry ban does not apply to Swedish citizens. Exemptions from the entry ban are also made for more categories of travellers. These include, for example, foreign citizens with a Swedish residence permit, people with an essential need or function in Sweden, or residents of certain specified countries.


On 17 March, the Government decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. Following a call from the European Council and the European Commission, the entry ban was introduced to mitigate the effects of the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and reduce the outbreak of COVID-19. The ban has been in effect since 19 March and, in accordance with Commission recommendations, has been extended several times.

Basic information
What does the Government’s decision to implement an entry ban mean?
It means that the Government has decided to temporarily ban non-essential travel to Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, the United Kingdom, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The entry ban does not apply to Swedish citizens. Exemptions from the entry ban are also made for more categories of travellers. These include, for example, foreign citizens with a Swedish residence permit, people with an essential need or function in Sweden, or residents of certain specified countries.

See below for more information on which exemptions apply.

Why has an entry ban been issued?
The EU Member States have given their support to a call from the European Council and the European Commission to take measures to temporarily ban non-essential travel to the EU. The purpose is to mitigate the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is an international emergency requiring a coordinated response. The Government has therefore decided to respond to the call and issue a temporary entry ban in line with the Commission’s recommendations.

How long will the entry ban apply?
The entry ban came into effect on 19 March and initially applied for 30 days. It has now been extended and currently applies until 31 October. It is presently unclear how long the entry ban will apply.


What kind of travel is affected by the entry ban?
The entry ban basically applies to foreign citizens attempting to enter Sweden from all countries except EU Member States, members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. The EEA includes all EU Member States and Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. Under the Withdrawal Agreement between the UK and the EU, the UK is treated as an EEA State during the transition period.

This means entry to Sweden is still allowed from the following countries: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Does the entry ban affect travel within the EU?
No, the entry ban does not affect travel from another EU Member State to Sweden.

What applies to people who live in Denmark or another Nordic country and work in Sweden?
Travel from Denmark, Finland and Norway is not affected by the entry ban.

Vidi boldirano. To znaci da je stranica azurirana u avgustu. Ono sto sam postavila je press release koji je orginalno objavljen u julu.

[Naslovnica]

A što niste pisali o oboljelima od Alzheimera 19.09.2019. godine? Ili su vam tek sada oni postali bitni?

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Potvrdjeno je iz vise relevantnih izvora da je COVID-19 bio detektovan i u 2019.
Moze se lako pronaci na internetu.

[Edin H.]

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/regija/alem ... /200919088

[Domaci izdajnik]

Laboratorijski štakor uhvatio furseta...kao što sam rekao već sve ove "krizne štabove" na 10 godina robije, posebno krilo,12 sati teškog rada i sadističke stražare...Amona Geta i Rudolfa Hesa klonirao...

[daddy-kool]

Jutarnji list - Ogroman broj ljudi je zapravo već imun na koronu? Znanstvenici: ‘Nešto se definitivno događa‘

https://www.jutarnji.hr/life/znanost/og ... a-15019955


Jutarnji list
ZAOKRET U PANDEMIJI?
Ogroman broj ljudi je zapravo već imun na koronu? Znanstvenici: ‘Nešto se definitivno događa‘
‘Naša hipoteza je, dakako, da se radi o imunitetu proizašlom iz običnih prehlada koje također uzrokuju koronavirusi‘
...
Može li, doista, prethodno postojeći imunitet štititi čak i više od cjepiva? Bez kvalitetne studije to jednostavno ne možemo znati, zaključuje British Medical Journal.

Moj komentar od prije o tzv ćelijskom imunitetu, mislim da je još uvijek relevantan.

Interesantan članak na Nature:

Pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2: the knowns and unknowns

T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 was observed in unexposed people; however, the source and clinical relevance of the reactivity remains unknown. It is speculated that this reflects T cell memory to circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses. It will be important to define specificities of these T cells and assess their association with COVID-19 disease severity and vaccine responses.

As data start to accumulate on the detection and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 T cell responses in humans, a surprising finding has been reported: lymphocytes from 20–50% of unexposed donors display significant reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 antigen peptide pools1,2,3,4.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0389-z

Pa je bila ona švedska studija:

Immunity to COVID-19 is probably higher than tests have shown

New research from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest. The article is freely available on the bioRxiv server and has been submitted for publication in a scientific journal.
https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19 ... have-shown

Mislim da se pogrešno nagađa da to predstavlja imunitet u klasičnom smislu protiv virusa, jer svi dokazi (u objavljenim radovima ili klinička iskustva) ukazuju da svi koji nemaju antitijela se mogu zaraziti, a da svi zaraženi stvore antitijela (svi, i asimptomatski i simptomatski). Međutim, moja hipoteza bi bila da prisustvo ovakvih T ćelija bi moglo biti zaslužno sa blagu ili subkliničku sliku kod velike većine pacijenata, kao i varijabilitet asimptomatskih slučajeva neovisan o demografiji i zdravstvenom stanju. Ukratko ove T ćelije bi mogle biti odgovorne za velike broje asimptomatskih ili blagih slučajeva u većini populacije, ali nije imunitet u klasičnom smislu jer za to trebaju antitijela. Ovo bi moglo objasniti i mnogo lakšu sliku i kod djece.

[splinter]

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Potvrdjeno je iz vise relevantnih izvora da je COVID-19 bio detektovan i u 2019.
Moze se lako pronaci na internetu.

Ovo je ključna rečenica svih rasprava a koja će ljudsku civilizaciju vratiti na fabričke postavke.

[daddy-kool]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x

As much of Europe imposed severe restrictions on public life last month to stem the spread of the coronavirus, one country stood out.
Sweden didn’t go into lockdown or impose strict social-distancing policies. Instead, it rolled out voluntary, ‘trust-based’ measures: it advised older people to avoid social contact and recommended that people work from home, wash their hands regularly and avoid non-essential travel. But borders and schools for under-16s remain open — as do many businesses, including restaurants and bars.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7320302809
The COVID-19 pandemic and the Swedish strategy: Epidemiology and postmodernism

Conclusions
Overconfidence in herd immunity, overconfidence in individual responsibility in solving a pandemic which calls for contextual and societal solutions, overconfidence in evidence-based medicine, neglect to coordinate with the WHO and other countries, and failure to instantly react to protect its own population may be associated with post-materialist values and postmodernism including opposition against modern authority, rationality and science, and an anti-traditionalist stance towards the experience of older generations.

[Domaci izdajnik]

Ovo je ključna rečenica svih rasprava a koja će ljudsku civilizaciju vratiti na fabričke postavke

Ako ne potvrde i ne obznane Malder i Skali nije istina. Je l' tako?

[splinter]

Ovo je ključna rečenica svih rasprava a koja će ljudsku civilizaciju vratiti na fabričke postavke

Ako ne potvrde i ne obznane Malder i Skali nije istina. Je l' tako?

Ne znam, pitaj ih

[Naslovnica]

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Potvrdjeno je iz vise relevantnih izvora da je COVID-19 bio detektovan i u 2019.
Moze se lako pronaci na internetu.

Ovo je ključna rečenica svih rasprava a koja će ljudsku civilizaciju vratiti na fabričke postavke.

Znao sam da će se neko od vas 3-4 ovdje upecati na ovakvu formulaciju.
Zaista mislite da pod "pronaći na internetu" smatram sajtove tipa Treće oko, Arka i sl?!
Da budem precizniji - može se lako pronaći na internetu, na relevantnim stranicama.
Ko zna šta treba da pronađe - pronaći će.

[splinter]

Pa bolest se zove Covid - 19, normalno da je detektovan 2019. neće valjda biti 2017. il' 2023.
Realno i ne treba ti internet za to . . .

[Naslovnica]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x

As much of Europe imposed severe restrictions on public life last month to stem the spread of the coronavirus, one country stood out.
Sweden didn’t go into lockdown or impose strict social-distancing policies. Instead, it rolled out voluntary, ‘trust-based’ measures: it advised older people to avoid social contact and recommended that people work from home, wash their hands regularly and avoid non-essential travel. But borders and schools for under-16s remain open — as do many businesses, including restaurants and bars.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7320302809
The COVID-19 pandemic and the Swedish strategy: Epidemiology and postmodernism

Conclusions
Overconfidence in herd immunity, overconfidence in individual responsibility in solving a pandemic which calls for contextual and societal solutions, overconfidence in evidence-based medicine, neglect to coordinate with the WHO and other countries, and failure to instantly react to protect its own population may be associated with post-materialist values and postmodernism including opposition against modern authority, rationality and science, and an anti-traditionalist stance towards the experience of older generations.

Da, da, sve je tako kako ti citiraš, nema dalje, sve jasno da ne može biti jasnije.
Baš zato su i Španija, UK, Italija, Belgija...imali procentualno više umrlih u odnosu na Swe?!
A da se Šveđanima nije desila katastrofa s staračkim domovima, rezultati švedske strategije u borbi protiv COVID-19 bi bili još impozantniji.
Pokušavam da dokučim zašto je nekolicina vas toliko navalila na rezultate švedske strategije u borbi protiv COVID-19, kao da vam smeta što su ljudi ispeglali krivulju dok Evropa bilježi najjače rezultate od početka pandemije.

[Naslovnica]

Pa bolest se zove Covid - 19, normalno da je detektovan 2019. neće valjda biti 2017. il' 2023.
Realno i ne treba ti internet za to . . .

Meni ne treba ali nekima očito treba, jer tvrde suprotno.

[BadBoy]

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Nisi vjerovatno bio ni u jajima kada su se pojavili korona virusi ali nek si ti poletio da budeš pametan. Hajde sad masku i na spavanje ubiće te covid. I povedi i zubija ti havera...

Ma ko se to trigerovao. Ugasi Internet, nije ti dobar za pritisak.

[BadBoy]

A što vi niste prošle godine pisali o oboljelima od korona virusa? Ili prije deset godina?? Što niste brojali umrle od gripe? Ili su vam tek sada postali bitni?

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Potvrdjeno je iz vise relevantnih izvora da je COVID-19 bio detektovan i u 2019.
Moze se lako pronaci na internetu.

Covid potvrđen kao bolest tek u decembru 2019. godine u Wuhanu. Većina Bošnja se tad radovalo I govorilo da je to kazna za Ujgure.

Nije problem pričati o svim problemima koje imamo, problem je kada se o tome priča samo na temi o koronavirusu (SARS - Cov -2)

[Naslovnica]

Kakav korona virus prošle godine. Dozovi se. Vidimo se 2022 kad korona prođe da pričamo o Alzheimeru i ostalim problemima u ovom društvu.

Poštedi nas whataaboutisma.

Potvrdjeno je iz vise relevantnih izvora da je COVID-19 bio detektovan i u 2019.
Moze se lako pronaci na internetu.

Covid potvrđen kao bolest tek u decembru 2019. godine u Wuhanu. Većina Bošnja se tad radovalo I govorilo da je to kazna za Ujgure.

Nije problem pričati o svim problemima koje imamo, problem je kada se o tome priča samo na temi o koronavirusu (SARS - Cov -2)

Covid-19 je potvrđen kao bolest tek u decembru 2019, što ne implicira da je prvi slučaj nužno bio baš tada.
Bio je i u novembru 2019.

[BadBoy]

Potvrdjeno je iz vise relevantnih izvora da je COVID-19 bio detektovan i u 2019.
Moze se lako pronaci na internetu.

Covid potvrđen kao bolest tek u decembru 2019. godine u Wuhanu. Većina Bošnja se tad radovalo I govorilo da je to kazna za Ujgure.

Nije problem pričati o svim problemima koje imamo, problem je kada se o tome priča samo na temi o koronavirusu (SARS - Cov -2)

Covid-19 je potvrđen kao bolest tek u decembru 2019, što ne implicira da je prvi slučaj nužno bio baš tada.
Bio je i u novembru 2019.

Ali to sve ne mijenja poentu, zašto se samo na temi o koroni potežu svi drugi problemi?

Zamisli ti odeš kod doktora jer te boli nešto u stomaku, a tebi doktor kaže: "Dobro, ali šta ćemo što ti auto gubi ulje?" Ti kontaš, Ok, auto mi gubi ulje to jeste problem, ali kakve to veze ima sa mojim bolom u stomaku?

Eh to se uporno radi na ovoj temi o koronavirusu. A to je u stvari samo ofiran pokušaj skretanja se teme. Jer nikoga od ovih ljudi zapravo ne boli briga za probleme na koje pokušavaju skrenuti. To rade samo u pokušaju da dokažu navodnu "dvoličnost", a u biti samo dokazuju svoju dvoličnost.