Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
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#20301 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Najjaci su sorosevi lazljivi mediji, "naoruzani napadac pucao po masi ljudi".
Notorni kriminalci su im heroji, a ljudi koji stite svoju i imovinu svojih najblizih od raspomamljene rulje zeljne pljacke i paljevine, teroristi su koji "pucaju nasumice po masi".
Notorni kriminalci su im heroji, a ljudi koji stite svoju i imovinu svojih najblizih od raspomamljene rulje zeljne pljacke i paljevine, teroristi su koji "pucaju nasumice po masi".
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#20302 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Rittenhouse nije branio ni svoju ni imovinu svojih najbližih. Ali pretpostavljam da mnogi ovdje funkcioniraju po principu ponavljanjadječak sa šibicama wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:07 Najjaci su sorosevi lazljivi mediji, "naoruzani napadac pucao po masi ljudi".
Notorni kriminalci su im heroji, a ljudi koji stite svoju i imovinu svojih najblizih od raspomamljene rulje zeljne pljacke i paljevine, teroristi su koji "pucaju nasumice po masi".
jedne laži dok ne postane istina. Ironično je što prozivaš "sorošove medije" za ono što si upravo i sam uradio.
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#20303 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Sigurno, a?dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 17:42Meni je normalno da 17-godišnjaci budu opsjednuti curama, zabavom, sportom, muzikom itd. Ne policijom, autoritetom i oružjem.
Ovaj lik i da je postao policijac bi sigurno napravio nešto slično kao i Derek Chauvin u budućnosti.
100%?
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#20304 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
I statistiku treba znati pročitati i razumjeti.The 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:04
Mslim da bi mogli motati kablove sa blm pricom, ocito da se radi o nekoj subverzivnoj organizaciji sa meni jos uvijek nejasnim ciljem, ciji su tacno alat ne znam ali imaju sve elemente teroristcke organizacije
Juce rekoh da imaju donekle pravo ali nakon ovih brojki prosto sam sokiran kolika je neutemeljenost iza njihovih vizija.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/1 ... by-police/
When he was asked this week why Black people are “still dying at the hands of law enforcement” in the U.S., President Donald Trump responded by focusing on white people who had been killed by police.
“So are white people. So are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people,” Trump told CBS News in an interview on Tuesday. “More white people, by the way. More white people.”
Northeastern professor Matt Miller says that Trump’s response was a “grotesque” misdirection that fails to account for the fact that Black people are killed by police at a higher rate than white people. A recent study by Miller found that Black people are shot and killed by police at twice the rate that white people are.
Matthew Miller is a professor of health sciences and epidemiology.
“He is using the truth to tell a lie,” Miller says of Trump. “Or at the very least to mislead, which in either case shows an indifference to the critical question: Why are Black people still dying at the hands of law enforcement?”
Overall, close to 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers in the U.S. every year, according to a database maintained by The Washington Post. It is true that a majority of those victims are white people.
“That’s only because there are so many more white people than there are Black people in our country,” says Miller, a professor of health sciences and epidemiology who has been researching injury and violence prevention for two decades.
Miller participated in a Northeastern-Harvard data-driven study that combed through shooting deaths by police across 27 states in 2014-15, based on details culled from police and medical-examiner reports by the National Violent Death Reporting System. It found that Black people were killed at a rate higher than their proportion to the national population.
“Although Black people represented 12 percent of the population in the states we studied, they made up 25 percent of the deaths in police shootings,” Miller says.
By comparison, Miller says, white people represented 62 percent of the population—and made up 54 percent of the deaths in encounters with police.
Instead of approaching the study with a point of view to be proved or disproved, Miller and his fellow researchers set out on a fact-finding mission. They analyzed the two-year database of 603 firearm homicides by police. They tagged and coded the narratives to put each shooting into context, and then ran the detailed results through a computer program—a meticulous process that took two years to complete.
The study found that the racial disparity was even more pronounced in those cases in which the victims were unarmed and offered minimal to no threat to police.
“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,” Miller says. “That doesn’t mean the police didn’t feel threatened. But based on the reports that we were able to to look at, a very low level of threat was directed at the police. And in those specific cases, the numbers rose for Black people: They made up 36 percent of the deaths.”
Miller adds that his study, which was released in March, was not an outlier on the issue of race in police shootings.
“Many other studies have shown that Black people are more likely to be killed per capita by law enforcement than are white people in the United States,” Miller says. “That is not a disputed statistic.”
Miller categorizes Trump’s statement as a “misleading” attempt “to dismiss the question.”
“The question asked why Black people are still dying, and it was an opportunity to grapple with the underlying process,” Miller says. “If you think it’s a problem that police are shooting and killing people—whether they are white or Black—then you want to understand why it is happening, because that is the first step in trying to prevent it.
“Trump’s lack of curiosity about why this is happening is indicative of not really caring about getting to the bottom of the problem. You can’t solve a problem unless you know what the problem is in the first place.
“It would have been OK to answer the question by saying, ‘I don’t know, but we need to get to the bottom of it’—that would have been an honest response,” Miller says. “But to respond in a way that creates greater divisions and minimizes the toll on Black men and women is an obscene use of statistics.”
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#20305 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Gotovo sigurno? Srećom nećemo saznati.90minut wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:13Sigurno, a?dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 17:42Meni je normalno da 17-godišnjaci budu opsjednuti curama, zabavom, sportom, muzikom itd. Ne policijom, autoritetom i oružjem.
Ovaj lik i da je postao policijac bi sigurno napravio nešto slično kao i Derek Chauvin u budućnosti.
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#20307 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Ako je doso oiz Cook Countya najebo je samo zbog duge cijevi, samo posjedovanje takvog oruzja u tom dijelu je ko da si ubio nekoga. Poceli ljude voditi na savezni sud iz Chicaga zbog redovnog nosenja ilegalnog oruzja.jeza u ledja wrote: ↑28/08/2020 17:41Citao i gledao i zato pisem. Tebe tek danas prvi put vidim na ovoj temi. Mali je i od ranije opsjednut oruzjem i policijom. Samo to ga cini debilom.
Ali otici u drugu drzavu sa dugom cijevi i ganjati se sa kojekakvim propalitetima ne bi li kojeg upucao moze uraditi samo dobro poremeceno dijete.
Heroj s puskom dosao u drugi grad, drugu drzavu i ubio 2 koliko znam nenaoruzana covjeka iz tog grada. Ne daj boze da sta zapale slucajno. Odmah metak u glavu. Svaka cast.
I sad je heroj jer se branio od rulje u koju je sam uletio, naoruzan, nakon sto je vec ubio jednog od njih.
Sta se tebi vrti u glavi ako ti ovakvi predstavljaju heroje?
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#20308 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Sta se ovdje ima razumjeti osim da je blm na laznim premisama zasnovao svoju pricu, brojke su neumoljive.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:20I statistiku treba znati pročitati i razumjeti.The 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:04
Mslim da bi mogli motati kablove sa blm pricom, ocito da se radi o nekoj subverzivnoj organizaciji sa meni jos uvijek nejasnim ciljem, ciji su tacno alat ne znam ali imaju sve elemente teroristcke organizacije
Juce rekoh da imaju donekle pravo ali nakon ovih brojki prosto sam sokiran kolika je neutemeljenost iza njihovih vizija.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/1 ... by-police/
When he was asked this week why Black people are “still dying at the hands of law enforcement” in the U.S., President Donald Trump responded by focusing on white people who had been killed by police.
“So are white people. So are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people,” Trump told CBS News in an interview on Tuesday. “More white people, by the way. More white people.”
Northeastern professor Matt Miller says that Trump’s response was a “grotesque” misdirection that fails to account for the fact that Black people are killed by police at a higher rate than white people. A recent study by Miller found that Black people are shot and killed by police at twice the rate that white people are.
Matthew Miller is a professor of health sciences and epidemiology.
“He is using the truth to tell a lie,” Miller says of Trump. “Or at the very least to mislead, which in either case shows an indifference to the critical question: Why are Black people still dying at the hands of law enforcement?”
Overall, close to 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers in the U.S. every year, according to a database maintained by The Washington Post. It is true that a majority of those victims are white people.
“That’s only because there are so many more white people than there are Black people in our country,” says Miller, a professor of health sciences and epidemiology who has been researching injury and violence prevention for two decades.
Miller participated in a Northeastern-Harvard data-driven study that combed through shooting deaths by police across 27 states in 2014-15, based on details culled from police and medical-examiner reports by the National Violent Death Reporting System. It found that Black people were killed at a rate higher than their proportion to the national population.
“Although Black people represented 12 percent of the population in the states we studied, they made up 25 percent of the deaths in police shootings,” Miller says.
By comparison, Miller says, white people represented 62 percent of the population—and made up 54 percent of the deaths in encounters with police.
Instead of approaching the study with a point of view to be proved or disproved, Miller and his fellow researchers set out on a fact-finding mission. They analyzed the two-year database of 603 firearm homicides by police. They tagged and coded the narratives to put each shooting into context, and then ran the detailed results through a computer program—a meticulous process that took two years to complete.
The study found that the racial disparity was even more pronounced in those cases in which the victims were unarmed and offered minimal to no threat to police.
“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,” Miller says. “That doesn’t mean the police didn’t feel threatened. But based on the reports that we were able to to look at, a very low level of threat was directed at the police. And in those specific cases, the numbers rose for Black people: They made up 36 percent of the deaths.”
Miller adds that his study, which was released in March, was not an outlier on the issue of race in police shootings.
“Many other studies have shown that Black people are more likely to be killed per capita by law enforcement than are white people in the United States,” Miller says. “That is not a disputed statistic.”
Miller categorizes Trump’s statement as a “misleading” attempt “to dismiss the question.”
“The question asked why Black people are still dying, and it was an opportunity to grapple with the underlying process,” Miller says. “If you think it’s a problem that police are shooting and killing people—whether they are white or Black—then you want to understand why it is happening, because that is the first step in trying to prevent it.
“Trump’s lack of curiosity about why this is happening is indicative of not really caring about getting to the bottom of the problem. You can’t solve a problem unless you know what the problem is in the first place.
“It would have been OK to answer the question by saying, ‘I don’t know, but we need to get to the bottom of it’—that would have been an honest response,” Miller says. “But to respond in a way that creates greater divisions and minimizes the toll on Black men and women is an obscene use of statistics.”
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#20309 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Sve piše. Jedino ako ti je mrsko čitati kao što je i tvom idolu Trumpu.The 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:26Sta se ovdje ima razumjeti osim da je blm na laznim premisama zasnovao svoju pricu, brojke su neumoljive.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:20I statistiku treba znati pročitati i razumjeti.The 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:04
Mslim da bi mogli motati kablove sa blm pricom, ocito da se radi o nekoj subverzivnoj organizaciji sa meni jos uvijek nejasnim ciljem, ciji su tacno alat ne znam ali imaju sve elemente teroristcke organizacije
Juce rekoh da imaju donekle pravo ali nakon ovih brojki prosto sam sokiran kolika je neutemeljenost iza njihovih vizija.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/1 ... by-police/
When he was asked this week why Black people are “still dying at the hands of law enforcement” in the U.S., President Donald Trump responded by focusing on white people who had been killed by police.
“So are white people. So are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people,” Trump told CBS News in an interview on Tuesday. “More white people, by the way. More white people.”
Northeastern professor Matt Miller says that Trump’s response was a “grotesque” misdirection that fails to account for the fact that Black people are killed by police at a higher rate than white people. A recent study by Miller found that Black people are shot and killed by police at twice the rate that white people are.
Matthew Miller is a professor of health sciences and epidemiology.
“He is using the truth to tell a lie,” Miller says of Trump. “Or at the very least to mislead, which in either case shows an indifference to the critical question: Why are Black people still dying at the hands of law enforcement?”
Overall, close to 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers in the U.S. every year, according to a database maintained by The Washington Post. It is true that a majority of those victims are white people.
“That’s only because there are so many more white people than there are Black people in our country,” says Miller, a professor of health sciences and epidemiology who has been researching injury and violence prevention for two decades.
Miller participated in a Northeastern-Harvard data-driven study that combed through shooting deaths by police across 27 states in 2014-15, based on details culled from police and medical-examiner reports by the National Violent Death Reporting System. It found that Black people were killed at a rate higher than their proportion to the national population.
“Although Black people represented 12 percent of the population in the states we studied, they made up 25 percent of the deaths in police shootings,” Miller says.
By comparison, Miller says, white people represented 62 percent of the population—and made up 54 percent of the deaths in encounters with police.
Instead of approaching the study with a point of view to be proved or disproved, Miller and his fellow researchers set out on a fact-finding mission. They analyzed the two-year database of 603 firearm homicides by police. They tagged and coded the narratives to put each shooting into context, and then ran the detailed results through a computer program—a meticulous process that took two years to complete.
The study found that the racial disparity was even more pronounced in those cases in which the victims were unarmed and offered minimal to no threat to police.
“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,” Miller says. “That doesn’t mean the police didn’t feel threatened. But based on the reports that we were able to to look at, a very low level of threat was directed at the police. And in those specific cases, the numbers rose for Black people: They made up 36 percent of the deaths.”
Miller adds that his study, which was released in March, was not an outlier on the issue of race in police shootings.
“Many other studies have shown that Black people are more likely to be killed per capita by law enforcement than are white people in the United States,” Miller says. “That is not a disputed statistic.”
Miller categorizes Trump’s statement as a “misleading” attempt “to dismiss the question.”
“The question asked why Black people are still dying, and it was an opportunity to grapple with the underlying process,” Miller says. “If you think it’s a problem that police are shooting and killing people—whether they are white or Black—then you want to understand why it is happening, because that is the first step in trying to prevent it.
“Trump’s lack of curiosity about why this is happening is indicative of not really caring about getting to the bottom of the problem. You can’t solve a problem unless you know what the problem is in the first place.
“It would have been OK to answer the question by saying, ‘I don’t know, but we need to get to the bottom of it’—that would have been an honest response,” Miller says. “But to respond in a way that creates greater divisions and minimizes the toll on Black men and women is an obscene use of statistics.”
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#20310 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
ma daj bajata fora o ukupnom broju afroamerikanaca i bijelaca, jelii to ih bijelci tjeraju na kriminal.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:28Sve piše. Jedino ako ti je mrsko čitati kao što je i tvom idolu Trumpu.The 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:26Sta se ovdje ima razumjeti osim da je blm na laznim premisama zasnovao svoju pricu, brojke su neumoljive.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:20
I statistiku treba znati pročitati i razumjeti.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/1 ... by-police/
Jebeš studije, bolje čitati twitove.
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Jedini logican zakljucak je da policija postupa brutalno prema svima bez diskriminacije po ovim prezentovanim brojkama, tako da blm nema nema utemeljenje konkretno kada je policija u pitanju.
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#20311 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
A što bi ti bio mjera onoga što je normalno?dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 17:42Meni je normalno da 17-godišnjaci budu opsjednuti curama, zabavom, sportom, muzikom itd. Ne policijom, autoritetom i oružjem.
Ovaj lik i da je postao policijac bi sigurno napravio nešto slično kao i Derek Chauvin u budućnosti.
Tvrditi da će tinejdžer postati ubica samo zato što ga zanima oružje nije drugačije nego tvrditi da će postati silovatelj jer ga zanimaju djevojke.
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#20312 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Sace ti odgovoriti " da bio bi i silovatelj ".
To je takav profil ljudi.
Drugacije se vrijednosti cijene vidiš on bi da mali bude narkoman i da je na drugoj strani da napada policiiju zato kaze ko zeli biti policajac s 17?
To je takav profil ljudi.
Drugacije se vrijednosti cijene vidiš on bi da mali bude narkoman i da je na drugoj strani da napada policiiju zato kaze ko zeli biti policajac s 17?
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#20313 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljajuThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:32ma daj bajata fora o ukupnom broju afroamerikanaca i bijelaca, jelii to ih bijelci tjeraju na kriminal.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:28Sve piše. Jedino ako ti je mrsko čitati kao što je i tvom idolu Trumpu.The 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:26
Sta se ovdje ima razumjeti osim da je blm na laznim premisama zasnovao svoju pricu, brojke su neumoljive.Jebeš studije, bolje čitati twitove.
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Jedini logican zakljucak je da policija postupa brutalno prema svima bez diskriminacije po ovim prezentovanim brojkama, tako da blm nema nema utemelje konkret o kada je policija u pitanju.
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
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#20314 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Ne,da si ti malo vise ukljucio mozak zakljucio bi da policija ne diskriminira, a to sto crnci statisticki vise participiraju u kriminalu pa dominiraju statistikom nije uze gledano stvar blm fokusa. Dakle, fake pokret.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:41Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljajuThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:32ma daj bajata fora o ukupnom broju afroamerikanaca i bijelaca, jelii to ih bijelci tjeraju na kriminal.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:28
Sve piše. Jedino ako ti je mrsko čitati kao što je i tvom idolu Trumpu.Jebeš studije, bolje čitati twitove.
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Jedini logican zakljucak je da policija postupa brutalno prema svima bez diskriminacije po ovim prezentovanim brojkama, tako da blm nema nema utemelje konkret o kada je policija u pitanju.
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
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#20315 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Je li tebi zabava = droga ili narkomanija?
opsesija policijom i oružjem. Jedna stvar je da ti u budućnosti želiš da postaneš policajac, ali policajac se ne postaje iz pogrešnih pobuda.
Valjda želiš da budeš u policiji da sprovodiš red i zakon, ne da doprnosiš bezakonju i neredu.
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#20316 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Da si ti pročitao ono što sam postavio, kao što nisi, shvatio bi da postoji policijska diskriminacija. Ali kao što rekoh, idol ti se ne zamaraThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:45Ne,da si ti malo vise ukljucio mozak zakljucio bi da policija ne diskriminira, a to sto crnci statisticki vise participiraju u kriminalu pa dominiraju statistikom nije uze gledano stvar blm fokusa. Dakle, fake pokret.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:41Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljajuThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:32
ma daj bajata fora o ukupnom broju afroamerikanaca i bijelaca, jelii to ih bijelci tjeraju na kriminal.
Jedini logican zakljucak je da policija postupa brutalno prema svima bez diskriminacije po ovim prezentovanim brojkama, tako da blm nema nema utemelje konkret o kada je policija u pitanju.
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
pa što bi i ti.
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#20317 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Po brojkama kome sam ja postavio ne postoji. Meni ljudi nisu idoli,ako tebi jesu tvoja stvar. Tramp je samo manje zlo i to je to.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:48Da si ti pročitao ono što sam postavio, kao što nisi, shvatio bi da postoji policijska diskriminacija. Ali kao što rekoh, idol ti se ne zamaraThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:45Ne,da si ti malo vise ukljucio mozak zakljucio bi da policija ne diskriminira, a to sto crnci statisticki vise participiraju u kriminalu pa dominiraju statistikom nije uze gledano stvar blm fokusa. Dakle, fake pokret.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:41
Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljaju
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
pa što bi i ti.
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#20318 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Ne treba nikoga ko ima ispod 18 godina zanimat oruzje. Eno jedna takva upala preko stola u LAPD pa ubila covjeka.ExNihilo wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:33A što bi ti bio mjera onoga što je normalno?dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 17:42Meni je normalno da 17-godišnjaci budu opsjednuti curama, zabavom, sportom, muzikom itd. Ne policijom, autoritetom i oružjem.
Ovaj lik i da je postao policijac bi sigurno napravio nešto slično kao i Derek Chauvin u budućnosti.
Tvrditi da će tinejdžer postati ubica samo zato što ga zanima oružje nije drugačije nego tvrditi da će postati silovatelj jer ga zanimaju djevojke.
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#20319 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Trumpov zaključak je retardiran, ali nije mnogo bolji ni zaključak gospodina kojeg si citirao.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:41Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljajuThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:32ma daj bajata fora o ukupnom broju afroamerikanaca i bijelaca, jelii to ih bijelci tjeraju na kriminal.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:28
Sve piše. Jedino ako ti je mrsko čitati kao što je i tvom idolu Trumpu.Jebeš studije, bolje čitati twitove.
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Jedini logican zakljucak je da policija postupa brutalno prema svima bez diskriminacije po ovim prezentovanim brojkama, tako da blm nema nema utemelje konkret o kada je policija u pitanju.
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
Uzevši u obzir da incidenca kriminala značajno varira među etničkim i rasnim grupacijama, priglupo je stavljati u odnos broj ubijenih prema ukupnoj populaciji, kako to on radi. Da, možda crnci čine 12% populacije, a 25% policijskih ubistava su crnci, ali incidenca kriminaliteta među tih 12% može biti (i jeste) mnogo veća nego incidenca kriminaliteta kod drugih boja kože, zbog čega je i očekivan ovakav rezultat.
Primjerice, US Department of Justice navodi da čak 52.5% svih ubistava u Americi počine crnci. Sada se ovih 25% ne čini tako frapantno, zar ne? Također, crnci 12x češće počine pljačku nad bijelcima nego obratno. Zašto onda očekivati proporcionalnu distribuciju policijskih ubistava kada se kriminal ne čini proporcionalno?
Naravno, ovdje postoji pitanje kauzalnosti. Da li crnci imaju povećanu incidencu kriminaliteta jer su građani drugog reda, ili su građani drugog reda (pored rasizma) zato što imaju povećanu stopu kriminaliteta. Ali to je druga tema.
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#20320 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
pa ako je druga tema sto se to stavlja u fokus, dakle kompletan pokret je nelogican i na pogresnim postavkama. Policija ne diskriminira i nije na njoj da rjesava ko ce se ili ko nece baviti kriminalom, sve ostalo je suplja politicka agenda.
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#20321 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Reci to olimpijskim šampionima u streljaštvu koji treniraju s oružjem od kada su progledali. Interesi se daju zdravo katalizirati. To što smo mi kulturološki uslovljeni da oružje gledamo kao đavolji alat je drugi par opanaka.CikCikCikPogodi wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:51Ne treba nikoga ko ima ispod 18 godina zanimat oruzje. Eno jedna takva upala preko stola u LAPD pa ubila covjeka.ExNihilo wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:33A što bi ti bio mjera onoga što je normalno?dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 17:42
Meni je normalno da 17-godišnjaci budu opsjednuti curama, zabavom, sportom, muzikom itd. Ne policijom, autoritetom i oružjem.
Ovaj lik i da je postao policijac bi sigurno napravio nešto slično kao i Derek Chauvin u budućnosti.
Tvrditi da će tinejdžer postati ubica samo zato što ga zanima oružje nije drugačije nego tvrditi da će postati silovatelj jer ga zanimaju djevojke.
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#20322 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Ne radi se samo o disproporcionalnosti. Istraživanje je uključivalo i detaljno ispitivanje slučajeva i konteksta.ExNihilo wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:53Trumpov zaključak je retardiran, ali nije mnogo bolji ni zaključak gospodina kojeg si citirao.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:41Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljajuThe 51st State wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:32
ma daj bajata fora o ukupnom broju afroamerikanaca i bijelaca, jelii to ih bijelci tjeraju na kriminal.
Jedini logican zakljucak je da policija postupa brutalno prema svima bez diskriminacije po ovim prezentovanim brojkama, tako da blm nema nema utemelje konkret o kada je policija u pitanju.
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
Uzevši u obzir da incidenca kriminala značajno varira među etničkim i rasnim grupacijama, priglupo je stavljati u odnos broj ubijenih prema ukupnoj populaciji, kako to on radi. Da, možda crnci čine 12% populacije, a 25% policijskih ubistava su crnci, ali incidenca kriminaliteta među tih 12% može biti (i jeste) mnogo veća nego incidenca kriminaliteta kod drugih boja kože, zbog čega je i očekivan ovakav rezultat.
Primjerice, US Department of Justice navodi da čak 52.5% svih ubistava u Americi počine crnci. Sada se ovih 25% ne čini tako frapantno, zar ne? Također, crnci 12x češće počine pljačku nad bijelcima nego obratno. Zašto onda očekivati proporcionalnu distribuciju policijskih ubistava kada se kriminal ne čini proporcionalno?
Naravno, ovdje postoji pitanje kauzalnosti. Da li crnci imaju povećanu incidencu kriminaliteta jer su građani drugog reda, ili su građani drugog reda (pored rasizma) zato što imaju povećanu stopu kriminaliteta. Ali to je druga tema.
Instead of approaching the study with a point of view to be proved or disproved, Miller and his fellow researchers set out on a fact-finding mission. They analyzed the two-year database of 603 firearm homicides by police. They tagged and coded the narratives to put each shooting into context, and then ran the detailed results through a computer program—a meticulous process that took two years to complete.
The study found that the racial disparity was even more pronounced in those cases in which the victims were unarmed and offered minimal to no threat to police.
“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,” Miller says. “That doesn’t mean the police didn’t feel threatened. But based on the reports that we were able to to look at, a very low level of threat was directed at the police. And in those specific cases, the numbers rose for Black people: They made up 36 percent of the deaths.”
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#20323 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Kompjuterski program analizirao slučajeve? Piše li šta o algoritmu koji je korišten i primijenjenim kriterijima?dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 19:00Ne radi se samo o disproporcionalnosti. Istraživanje je uključivalo i detaljno ispitivanje slučajeva i konteksta.ExNihilo wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:53Trumpov zaključak je retardiran, ali nije mnogo bolji ni zaključak gospodina kojeg si citirao.dale cooper wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:41
Govorimo o broju ubijenih od strane policije. Bijelaca jeste više ubijeno, ali samo zato što je njih mnogo više od crnaca. Bijelci predstavljaju
63,4% populacije po censusu iz 2019-te, crnci tek 13,4%. Ono što ova gore studija govori da je disproporcialno njihovom ukupnom broju
mnogo više crnaca bilo ubijeno od strane policije. Mislim, to si mogao zaključiti i iz twita koji si postavio da si malo uključio mozak.
Uzevši u obzir da incidenca kriminala značajno varira među etničkim i rasnim grupacijama, priglupo je stavljati u odnos broj ubijenih prema ukupnoj populaciji, kako to on radi. Da, možda crnci čine 12% populacije, a 25% policijskih ubistava su crnci, ali incidenca kriminaliteta među tih 12% može biti (i jeste) mnogo veća nego incidenca kriminaliteta kod drugih boja kože, zbog čega je i očekivan ovakav rezultat.
Primjerice, US Department of Justice navodi da čak 52.5% svih ubistava u Americi počine crnci. Sada se ovih 25% ne čini tako frapantno, zar ne? Također, crnci 12x češće počine pljačku nad bijelcima nego obratno. Zašto onda očekivati proporcionalnu distribuciju policijskih ubistava kada se kriminal ne čini proporcionalno?
Naravno, ovdje postoji pitanje kauzalnosti. Da li crnci imaju povećanu incidencu kriminaliteta jer su građani drugog reda, ili su građani drugog reda (pored rasizma) zato što imaju povećanu stopu kriminaliteta. Ali to je druga tema.
Instead of approaching the study with a point of view to be proved or disproved, Miller and his fellow researchers set out on a fact-finding mission. They analyzed the two-year database of 603 firearm homicides by police. They tagged and coded the narratives to put each shooting into context, and then ran the detailed results through a computer program—a meticulous process that took two years to complete.
The study found that the racial disparity was even more pronounced in those cases in which the victims were unarmed and offered minimal to no threat to police.
“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,” Miller says. “That doesn’t mean the police didn’t feel threatened. But based on the reports that we were able to to look at, a very low level of threat was directed at the police. And in those specific cases, the numbers rose for Black people: They made up 36 percent of the deaths.”
Uostalom, u državi gdje se godišnje zabilježi skoro milion (nisam izmislio broj, nego sam ga provjerio) prijavljenih napada u kojima policija reaguje, 603 je sve samo ne reprezentativan uzorak.
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#20324 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Zasto pricas o sportu to je druga stvar u potpunosti, koja se radi na odredenom mjestu pod nadzorom.ExNihilo wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:56Reci to olimpijskim šampionima u streljaštvu koji treniraju s oružjem od kada su progledali. Interesi se daju zdravo katalizirati. To što smo mi kulturološki uslovljeni da oružje gledamo kao đavolji alat je drugi par opanaka.CikCikCikPogodi wrote: ↑28/08/2020 18:51Ne treba nikoga ko ima ispod 18 godina zanimat oruzje. Eno jedna takva upala preko stola u LAPD pa ubila covjeka.
Ovako i tamo u Americi zabranjeno maloljetniku nosenje dugi cijevi. A znamo i sami zasto to ne treba u glavu nekome ispod 18 godina stavljati.
Nisu izgradene osobe u mozgu, ponese pistolj na igraliste zbog svade, ubije svoje drugove, tih je primjera stotine bilo.
Tako mani se te price, djeca psihicki nisu za oruzja.
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#20325 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About
Ovaj CNN isto RTRS.
