Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
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#22676 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Njujork tajms: Nauka mogla da spriječi pandemiju, farmaceuti kalkulisali
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#22677 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-jap ... ade-virus/
Uvijek provjeriti muho.Fact Check conducted by NewsMeter showed that the above claims are FALSE. In context, Tasuku Honjo, is a Nobel-prize winning Japanese professor from Kyoto University, Japan. He won the Nobel prize for medicine in the year 2018, along with James Allison, for their discovery on cancer therapy. When NewsMeter reached out to the professor, he refuted all the claims. In an e-mail, Alok Kumar, a Ph.D student working under the professor, gave out this statement on behalf of the professor that “Prof. Honjo never gave any such statement. Each and every sentence of this post is completely false and has no connection with truth. Prof. Honjo never worked in Wuhan laboratory. He never called there. He did not work on virus origin and functions and other related issues. All the contents are just concocted and nothing else.”
As claimed in the viral message, Professor Tasuku Honjo has not worked in any laboratory in Wuhan, China, for the past four years. His biography, accessed from Kyoto University’s official website, showed that the professor has been teaching full-time in Japan’s Kyoto University, from 1984 to 2005. Currently, he is a professor at the Department of Immunology and Genomic Medicine, Kyoto University.
Secondly, a Google search on media reports after April 22 (the date of the message) regarding the statement ‘coronavirus is not natural’ did not yield any results leading to professor Tasuku Hanjo. In fact, the professor had given an interview to Nikkei Asian Review, a news portal based in Japan, published on April 10, 2020. The professor said in the interview that “the illness originated in China, but the country will be the first to recover from it, too. I can’t say whether this will boost Chinese influence or whether the world will shun China, but there’s a possibility that the global order will shift after the outbreak.” The professor has not mentioned anything regarding COVID-19 being a man-made virus.
However, there are media reports of a Nobel laureate French virologist claiming that the virus is man-made. “Interviewed on a French news channel, the co-discoverer of the AIDS virus who bagged the 2008 Nobel award in medicine alleged “the presence of elements of HIV and germ of malaria in the genome of coronavirus is highly suspect and the characteristics of the virus could not have arisen naturally,” the Times of India reported.
Thirdly, a Twitter search of Prof. Tasuku Honjo’s account led to a tweet that said, “I do not know for what purpose the coronavirus has been produced, but I can definitely say that it is man-made.” The Twitter handle claims to be of Tasuku Honjo, but however it has not been verified. A statement from Prof. Honjo confirmed that “The twitter handle you mentioned does not belong to Prof. Tasuku Honjo. it is created by someone possibly with malicious intentions. Please stop this fake news.” Further searches also found that the account was created in April 2020, with only two tweets since April 24, which suggests that it is a fake account.
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#22678 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Od ovog svega razumijemdale cooper wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:17https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-jap ... ade-virus/
Uvijek provjeriti muho.Fact Check conducted by NewsMeter showed that the above claims are FALSE. In context, Tasuku Honjo, is a Nobel-prize winning Japanese professor from Kyoto University, Japan. He won the Nobel prize for medicine in the year 2018, along with James Allison, for their discovery on cancer therapy. When NewsMeter reached out to the professor, he refuted all the claims. In an e-mail, Alok Kumar, a Ph.D student working under the professor, gave out this statement on behalf of the professor that “Prof. Honjo never gave any such statement. Each and every sentence of this post is completely false and has no connection with truth. Prof. Honjo never worked in Wuhan laboratory. He never called there. He did not work on virus origin and functions and other related issues. All the contents are just concocted and nothing else.”
As claimed in the viral message, Professor Tasuku Honjo has not worked in any laboratory in Wuhan, China, for the past four years. His biography, accessed from Kyoto University’s official website, showed that the professor has been teaching full-time in Japan’s Kyoto University, from 1984 to 2005. Currently, he is a professor at the Department of Immunology and Genomic Medicine, Kyoto University.
Secondly, a Google search on media reports after April 22 (the date of the message) regarding the statement ‘coronavirus is not natural’ did not yield any results leading to professor Tasuku Hanjo. In fact, the professor had given an interview to Nikkei Asian Review, a news portal based in Japan, published on April 10, 2020. The professor said in the interview that “the illness originated in China, but the country will be the first to recover from it, too. I can’t say whether this will boost Chinese influence or whether the world will shun China, but there’s a possibility that the global order will shift after the outbreak.” The professor has not mentioned anything regarding 1984 to 2005.being a man-made virus.
However, there are media reports of a Nobel laureate French virologist claiming that the virus is man-made. “Interviewed on a French news channel, the co-discoverer of the AIDS virus who bagged the 2008 Nobel award in medicine alleged “the presence of elements of HIV and germ of malaria in the genome of coronavirus is highly suspect and the characteristics of the virus could not have arisen naturally,” the Times of India reported.
Thirdly, a Twitter search of Prof. Tasuku Honjo’s account led to a tweet that said, “I do not know for what purpose the coronavirus has been produced, but I can definitely say that it is man-made.” The Twitter handle claims to be of Tasuku Honjo, but however it has not been verified. A statement from Prof. Honjo confirmed that “The twitter handle you mentioned does not belong to Prof. Tasuku Honjo. it is created by someone possibly with malicious intentions. Please stop this fake news.” Further searches also found that the account was created in April 2020, with only two tweets since April 24, which suggests that it is a fake account.![]()
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#22679 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Bravo!!!biglebovski wrote: ↑26/04/2020 18:07Nečiji otac...piupiu wrote: ↑26/04/2020 15:29Vittorio očigledno nije čuo za koncept komorbiditeta.![]()
Poanta je da nečija majka ili otac, koji su dijabetičari ili srčani bolesnici, mogu živjeti još dugo godina ako ih ne napadne Covid-19, a ako ih napadne, imaju veliku šansu da umru dok si rekao keks. Prvo (i pravo) pitanje je da li želimo biti solidarno ili darvinističko društvo? Stvarno, vrlo ozbiljno pitanje.
Drugo pitanje, retoričko... zašto ti, Salik i raja ne volontirate da odete pomoći ljudima u Italiji? Ljudima je umrlo toliko medicinskog osoblja, treba im pomoć, čišćenje, dezinfekcija, ovo-ono. Prvo odete u bolnice i malo volontirate, usput dokažete da je ta korona šaša... i onda će se dalje sve samo po sebi razriješiti.![]()
Dedo Hamid Lepenica iz sela Brajlovići kod Goražda najstariji je od deset Goraždana koji su pobijedili koronavirus. Hamid ima astmu, bronhitis, aritmiju srca ...
https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/565326/dedo ... dvedose-me
Što se niste gospođo solidarisali prošle godine kad nam je umrlo 90 ljudi od gripe? Ozbiljno pitanje.
Prestanite plašiti starije i hronične bolesnike nametanjem pretpostavke da će svako od njih ko fasuje koronu otići dok si reko keks. To apsolutno nije istina. Ogromna većina hroničnih bolesnika preboli koronu, sa manje ili više komplikacija, ali preboli. Ti ljudi imaju ionako dosta problema, živjeti u potpunom strahu za njih je nepotrebno opterećenje. Pustite ljude da žive, zatvorilo ih ko razbojnike kakve, sve ko fol se brinu za njih. A prosječna penzija 300 maraka. Taman za krstarenja...
Ajte sad nam zakačite onaj formular o odbijanju respiratora, nije odavno bio.
Kako ovi panicari pisu covjek bi pomislio ako si stariji i dobijes koronu... Gotovo je zovi Bakije... Kakve gluposti ljudi pisu Boze sacuvaj...
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#22680 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
malo oko "ubijanja" ljudi respiratorima, a malo i o dosta popularnom piću na ovoj temi
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#22681 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Ukratko, profesor Hondžo nikada niti je radio u Wuhanu, niti je bilo sa kim iz Wuhana bio u kontaktu.muha_sa wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:21Od ovog svega razumijemdale cooper wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:17https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-jap ... ade-virus/
Uvijek provjeriti muho.Fact Check conducted by NewsMeter showed that the above claims are FALSE. In context, Tasuku Honjo, is a Nobel-prize winning Japanese professor from Kyoto University, Japan. He won the Nobel prize for medicine in the year 2018, along with James Allison, for their discovery on cancer therapy. When NewsMeter reached out to the professor, he refuted all the claims. In an e-mail, Alok Kumar, a Ph.D student working under the professor, gave out this statement on behalf of the professor that “Prof. Honjo never gave any such statement. Each and every sentence of this post is completely false and has no connection with truth. Prof. Honjo never worked in Wuhan laboratory. He never called there. He did not work on virus origin and functions and other related issues. All the contents are just concocted and nothing else.”
As claimed in the viral message, Professor Tasuku Honjo has not worked in any laboratory in Wuhan, China, for the past four years. His biography, accessed from Kyoto University’s official website, showed that the professor has been teaching full-time in Japan’s Kyoto University, from 1984 to 2005. Currently, he is a professor at the Department of Immunology and Genomic Medicine, Kyoto University.
Secondly, a Google search on media reports after April 22 (the date of the message) regarding the statement ‘coronavirus is not natural’ did not yield any results leading to professor Tasuku Hanjo. In fact, the professor had given an interview to Nikkei Asian Review, a news portal based in Japan, published on April 10, 2020. The professor said in the interview that “the illness originated in China, but the country will be the first to recover from it, too. I can’t say whether this will boost Chinese influence or whether the world will shun China, but there’s a possibility that the global order will shift after the outbreak.” The professor has not mentioned anything regarding 1984 to 2005.being a man-made virus.
However, there are media reports of a Nobel laureate French virologist claiming that the virus is man-made. “Interviewed on a French news channel, the co-discoverer of the AIDS virus who bagged the 2008 Nobel award in medicine alleged “the presence of elements of HIV and germ of malaria in the genome of coronavirus is highly suspect and the characteristics of the virus could not have arisen naturally,” the Times of India reported.
Thirdly, a Twitter search of Prof. Tasuku Honjo’s account led to a tweet that said, “I do not know for what purpose the coronavirus has been produced, but I can definitely say that it is man-made.” The Twitter handle claims to be of Tasuku Honjo, but however it has not been verified. A statement from Prof. Honjo confirmed that “The twitter handle you mentioned does not belong to Prof. Tasuku Honjo. it is created by someone possibly with malicious intentions. Please stop this fake news.” Further searches also found that the account was created in April 2020, with only two tweets since April 24, which suggests that it is a fake account.![]()
1984 to 2005. April 2020, i April 24,
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je poslata poruka nije uopšte njegov.
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#22682 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Hvaladale cooper wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:31Ukrato, profesor Hondžo nikada niti je radio u Wuhanu, niti je bilo sa kim iz Wuhana bio u kontaktu.muha_sa wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:21Od ovog svega razumijemdale cooper wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:17
https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-jap ... ade-virus/
Uvijek provjeriti muho.![]()
1984 to 2005. April 2020, i April 24,
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A ovaj twitter nalog sa kojeg
je poslata poruka nije uopšte njegov.![]()
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#22683 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
predsjednici su izborna funkcija, cak i narandzasti majmun moze biti precednik
naucnici moraju da rade i da se dokazuju
naucnici moraju da rade i da se dokazuju
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#22684 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Nazalost nisi u pravu, tek smo na pocetku, ja od te gripe, je'l bijese 2017-ta znam jednog momka koji je zavrsio u bolnici, a od korone vise ljudi sa veoma teskim simptomima koji su se jedva izvukli kao sto je pipupiu objasnjavala ili ljude koji su preminuli.cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: ↑26/04/2020 18:31U Engleskoj i dalje ima manje umrlih 2020 nego 2018 godine. Jesil nosao masku 2018 ? I kako si prezivio, ako nisiEdin H. wrote: ↑26/04/2020 17:11Ok, u Sarajevu su na sreću brojke male do sada, zato i zastupaš te stavove koje zastupaš.
Kao u ratu, puca u Sloveniji, nije dobro, ali je daleko, puca u Hrvatskoj, hajde barem neće u Bosni, počne u Bijeljini, sreća da nije u Sarajevu, puca se oko škole na Vracama i padaju granate po Dobrinji, hajde srećom nije na Čengić Vili...
Mani se msm medija, dokazano izazivaju paniku....
Cifre se trenutno friziraju, jer je vlada zestoko kiksala na pocetku pandemije, a jos ranije konzervativci su smanjili broj kreveta intezivne njege na najnizi nivo od svih razvijenih evropskih zemalja, zato je vjerovatno i tako velika smrtnost. Dio birmingemskog aerodroma su pretvorili u mrtvacnicu.
Ova brojka od 20000 preminulih se odnosi samo na ljude preminule u bolnicama, ali realan broj kada se ukljuce ljudi preminuli u starackim domovima i u kucama pretpostavlja se, je negdje oko 41000
Po predvidjanjima broj preminulih od korone bi mogao doseci 62500 do augusta.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/co ... ocid=ientp
Ali hajmo se za trenutak reflektovati na ovu potvrdjenu brojku od preko 20732 preminulih u UK.
Ako uzmes da je stanovnistvo u UK 60 miliona, a u BiH nekih recimo 3 miliona, znaci da je populacija 15 puta manja.
Pandemija je pocela u UK i BiH negdje u isto vrijeme, da je bio isti ili slican nivo smrtnosti u BiH je do sada moglo preminuti oko hiljadu ljudi. Broj je puno manji - 59 preminulih sa anasnjim danom. Mozda postoje i drugi razlozi, ali ne moze se govoriti da ozbiljne vrijeme restrikcije uvedene u BiH nisu imale efekta.
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#22685 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Da malo skrenemo pažnju na drugi zanemareni segment Covid-19, utjecaj pandemije na psihološku sliku stanovnika irana u 31.oj provinciji ove države.
Online anketa!!!!!
Received 27 March 2020, Revised 1 April 2020, Accepted 2 April 2020, Available online 18 April 2020.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub
Online anketa!!!!!
Received 27 March 2020, Revised 1 April 2020, Accepted 2 April 2020, Available online 18 April 2020.
Author links open overlay panelAmirMoghanibashi-Mansourieh
- Member of the Board of Directors of Iran Association of Social Workers, Tehran, Iran
- Department of Social Work, University of Social Welfare and Rehabilitation Sciences, Tehran, Iran
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub
Anxiety, when above its normal level, weakens the immune system and as a result the risk of the virus infection increases (World Health Organization (WHO, 2020b). In addition, people's anxious reactions trigger public disruptive behaviors as people rush to stores, health centers, and pharmacies and health supply become scarce and the country health care service provision is affected.
In Iran's history, there have been outbreaks of contagious diseases such as cholera, plague, tuberculosis, typhus, and leprosy, which have unfortunately cost many lives and financial losses to the country (Mirsalehian and Dalvand, 2018) and the mentality of contagious diseases among Iranian people seems to have a doubling of concern.
The focus of the media and the health system in general is on the ramification of epidemics, and mental health problems that co-occur with diseases are largely ignored (Tucci et al., 2017). Although Iran has not yet reached the stable stage of the outbreak and perhaps the first action that seems to be key is the urgent control of the outbreak, mental health should not be neglected as the prevalence of mental disorders, especially anxiety, reduces individuals resiliency against the virus infection and may also cause irreparable economic, social, cultural and psychological problems to people in the future. More importantly, now it is unclear when COVID-19 will disappear! So far, no research has been published on the mental health status of the general population in Iran and the purpose of this study is to assess the general population anxiety level during COVID-19 spread.
2.1. Design and sampling
The study is an online survey conducted in 31 provinces of Iran. Social networks such as Telegram and Instagram have been the main platforms for distribution of the questionnaire. Sampling was readily available, and news, entertainment, and scientific groups and channels of Telegram at provincial level were the most important means in which the questionnaires were shared. Over the recent decade, Internet penetration in Iran has been on a steep upward slope and according to the international reports more than 49 million Iranian users used the Internet in 2017, and it has increased in recent years (World Bank, 2019). The criteria for categorizing the provinces into three levels of high, medium and low prevalence were the prevalence of COVID-19 according to the official report of the Iranian Ministry of Health on March 10th.
2.2. Data collection tools
An anonymous online 15-question questionnaire was applied to collect the data, including three general sections on the demographic characteristics of the respondents (age, province, gender, marital status and education), corona-related questions (news follow-up level, coronavirus infection of the individual’s family, relatives, and friends, and awareness degree of the main symptoms of coronavirus disease) together with the 7 anxiety subscale questions of the anxiety of the dass21 questionnaire which assessed autonomic arousal, skeletal muscle effects, situational anxiety and subjective experience of anxious impact (Lovibond and Lovibond, 1995).
The validity and reliability of the dass21 questionnaire have been confirmed by national and international studies and Cronbach's alpha was calculated 0.84 for its anxiety subscale. The data collection process took 9 days (1 March to 9 March). At the beginning of the questionnaire, a full explanation of the purpose of the study was stated and the participants' right to choose and their informed consent to participate in the study were obtained.
More than 12,000 people visited the questionnaire and about 90 % of them completed the questionnaire. The average response time was 127 s, and mobile (97 %), tablet (2%), and computer (1%) were the devices by which users completed the questionnaire. Finally, 10754 people from all provinces of Iran participated in this research.
Most of the participants (66.7 %) lived in high prevalence provinces (Tehran, Qom, Isfahan, and Mazandaran) and 23.5 % lived in average prevalence provinces. Women participated in the study about twice more than men. 65 % of people were between the ages of 21 and 40 and 4.5 % of the participants were over 50 years. Nearly 62 % was married and the rest were single. In terms of educational level, diploma and bachelor degrees were the most frequent with 34.1 % and 29.8 %, respectively (Table 1).
The findings show that more than 94 % of people always/sometimes follow COVID-19 news and about 0.6 % do not follow the news at all. Concerning the most important symptoms of coronavirus, more than 95 % of the participants mentioned that the most important symptoms include fever, dry cough and shortness of breath. In addition, nearly 19 % reported having at least one family member, relative or friend who contracted coronavirus (Table 2). The results of Table 3 show that the total anxiety level was 8.61 ± 6.95 and the severity of anxiety symptoms in 49.1 % of cases was normal, in 9.3 % was severe and in 9.8 % was very severe.
The level and severity of anxiety symptoms of those resided in high prevalence of COVID-19 was significantly higher (p < 0.001). The level of anxiety among women was significantly higher than men (95 % CI [0.1, 81.36], p < 0.001). The level of anxiety in the age group of 21–40 years was significantly higher than the other age groups (p < 0.001). As the level of education increased, their anxiety levels increased significantly too (p < 0.01). The more people followed coronavirus news, the more the level and severity of their anxiety symptoms increased (p < 0.001). Finally, the level of anxiety was significantly higher among people who had at least one family member, relative, or friend with COVID-19 disease (95 % CI [1.2, 35.03], p < 0.001) (Table 4).
In Iran, several hotlines have been set up to respond to people's questions on COVID-19. The hotline 1480 is intended to offer psychological and counseling services. Although a small number of governmental and most non-governmental organizations working in the field of counseling, psychology and social work started to independently offer psychosocial services to their target groups, they are generally not very effective for some reasons. First, the view of national decision makers are mainly concentrated on reducing the physical and psychological consequences of the disease ; second, there is no sufficient workforce of psychosocial professionals who has already been trained for critical situations ; third, there is a lack of coordination and co-operation among psychosocial service providers, and also the operation process is now being carried out that individuals requiring counseling services call the hotlines, while especially for those with a COVID-19 infected person, experts should reach out the target groups and provide health care interventions.
The research findings show that people who most follow COVID-19 news experience more anxiety and as WHO (World Health Organization (WHO, 2020b) emphasized the media and the press should not only focus on the negative aspects of producing and publishing news.
In addition, an acceptable sample size participated in the study, so our findings are highly validated. The low number of questions in the questionnaire made the respondents more willing to answer the questions. In the meantime, every Internet IP could once participate in the research. The answers given were self-reported, so this is considered as a limitation of the study while the study method is a survey and was conducted without a control group.
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#22687 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
E jest ovaj fake dale neki partybreaker 
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#22688 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Dobar post. Po toj logici komorbiditeta svi mi mlađi i zdraviji bi morali hodati 24 sata sa gas maskama i zaštitinim odijelima, imati na vratima kuće/stana dezinfekcioni tunel i tri puta sedmično raditi kompletne serološke testove i naravno svaki dan prostorije špricati sredstvom za dezinfekciju jer avaj možemo naše starije zaraziti gripom, kijavicom, koronom, streptokokom, ešerihijom, kandidom, zauškama.....(nastavi niz). Virusi i bakterije su uvijek tu sa nama i u nama, otkada je svijeta i vijeka. Možemo se svi sada kolektivno zaključati u podrume na tri mjeseca i nikuda ne mrdati virus neće nestati, ako kao takav uopše i postoji, nego bi naprotiv sve virusne infekcije još gore buknule i napravile pomor jer bi nam svima pao imunitet i stečena otpornost na nametnike. Redovna higijena, nutrijenti i suplementi u ishrani igraju glavnu ulogu u borbi protiv zaraze, što svaki ljekar zna, a jel to iko od ovih "stučnjaka" savjetovao? Jest al u qurcu! Šta kada nakon ovih svih jebada, mjera, maski i rukavica krene sezonka gripa? Pa ima da nas povalja sve od 5 do 105, grobari će raditi u tri smjenebiglebovski wrote: ↑26/04/2020 18:07 Nečiji otac...
Dedo Hamid Lepenica iz sela Brajlovići kod Goražda najstariji je od deset Goraždana koji su pobijedili koronavirus. Hamid ima astmu, bronhitis, aritmiju srca ...
https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/565326/dedo ... dvedose-me
Što se niste gospođo solidarisali prošle godine kad nam je umrlo 90 ljudi od gripe? Ozbiljno pitanje.
Prestanite plašiti starije i hronične bolesnike nametanjem pretpostavke da će svako od njih ko fasuje koronu otići dok si reko keks. To apsolutno nije istina. Ogromna većina hroničnih bolesnika preboli koronu, sa manje ili više komplikacija, ali preboli. Ti ljudi imaju ionako dosta problema, živjeti u potpunom strahu za njih je nepotrebno opterećenje. Pustite ljude da žive, zatvorilo ih ko razbojnike kakve, sve ko fol se brinu za njih. A prosječna penzija 300 maraka. Taman za krstarenja...
Ajte sad nam zakačite onaj formular o odbijanju respiratora, nije odavno bio.
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#22690 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Soda bikarbona provjereno lijeci stomacne tegobe i zgaravicu. Mi narodnu medicinu praktikujemo od narodnih ljekara. Ima razlike izmedzu narodnih ljekara i nadriljekara.
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#22691 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
To je isto kada pušač kaže zapalit ću u liftu, bez obzira što ima astmatičnih osoba unutra. Ne moraš vjerovati da je pasivno pušenje opasno, ali radi osnovne kulture suživota možeš sačekati da izađeš iz lifta. Analogno važi za maske. Ja ih nosim iz poštovanja prema ugroženijim grupama. Ne treba biti mrsko biti fin prema drugimaUsamljeni pustolov wrote: ↑26/04/2020 17:39Pa dobro to je svima jasno ali moraš shvatiti da ima ljudi koji ne vjeruju u svoj imunoloski sistem jer ih ukenjao par puta i onda su isparanoisani maks. Da nema ovih sankcija za nenošenje, ne bi je stavio da sam u liftu sa 13 persona (toliko je max otprilike)GAU8 wrote: ↑26/04/2020 17:34Treba samo ne biti bukvalan i uključiti ono što nam je majka priroda ili Bog darovao - mozak. Ako setaš sam napolju, i ne namjeravaš biti u blizini od oko metar u odnosu na druge ljude, maska zaista nije potrebna. Ako ideš na pijacu, ili na mjesta gdje ćeš sretati druge ljude i pričati s njima ili biti određen period u njihovoj blizini, onda maska ima smisla. Na primjer u redu za somune i slično. Ovo svako može da skonta i bez studija i istraživanja.piupiu wrote: ↑26/04/2020 17:06
Imaš link na Stanford policy preporuku za masovno nošenje maski i još tri linka u kojima se nalazi ista takva preporuka, brate slatki. Pa stvaaaaarnooo, ako sam ja mogla 20 minuta skupljati linkove za tebe, možeš valjda i ti pročitati šta u njima piše, kad si već tražio da ti ih nadjem.
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MUNAFIK
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#22692 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Lajavikrelac wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:52Dobar post. Po toj logici komorbiditeta svi mi mlađi i zdraviji bi morali hodati 24 sata sa gas maskama i zaštitinim odijelima, imati na vratima kuće/stana dezinfekcioni tunel i tri puta sedmično raditi kompletne serološke testove i naravno svaki dan prostorije špricati sredstvom za dezinfekciju jer avaj možemo naše starije zaraziti gripom, kijavicom, koronom, streptokokom, ešerihijom, kandidom, zauškama.....(nastavi niz). Virusi i bakterije su uvijek tu sa nama i u nama, otkada je svijeta i vijeka. Možemo se svi sada kolektivno zaključati u podrume na tri mjeseca i nikuda ne mrdati virus neće nestati, ako kao takav uopše i postoji, nego bi naprotiv sve virusne infekcije još gore buknule i napravile pomor jer bi nam svima pao imunitet i stečena otpornost na nametnike. Redovna higijena, nutrijenti i suplementi u ishrani igraju glavnu ulogu u borbi protiv zaraze, što svaki ljekar zna, a jel to iko od ovih "stučnjaka" savjetovao? Jest al u qurcu! Šta kada nakon ovih svih jebada, mjera, maski i rukavica krene sezonka gripa? Pa ima da nas povalja sve od 5 do 105, grobari će raditi u tri smjenebiglebovski wrote: ↑26/04/2020 18:07 Nečiji otac...
Dedo Hamid Lepenica iz sela Brajlovići kod Goražda najstariji je od deset Goraždana koji su pobijedili koronavirus. Hamid ima astmu, bronhitis, aritmiju srca ...
https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/565326/dedo ... dvedose-me
Što se niste gospođo solidarisali prošle godine kad nam je umrlo 90 ljudi od gripe? Ozbiljno pitanje.
Prestanite plašiti starije i hronične bolesnike nametanjem pretpostavke da će svako od njih ko fasuje koronu otići dok si reko keks. To apsolutno nije istina. Ogromna većina hroničnih bolesnika preboli koronu, sa manje ili više komplikacija, ali preboli. Ti ljudi imaju ionako dosta problema, živjeti u potpunom strahu za njih je nepotrebno opterećenje. Pustite ljude da žive, zatvorilo ih ko razbojnike kakve, sve ko fol se brinu za njih. A prosječna penzija 300 maraka. Taman za krstarenja...
Ajte sad nam zakačite onaj formular o odbijanju respiratora, nije odavno bio.![]()
Ma hej umire se SAMO OD CORONE... Sta ce gripa, sta ce ostali virusi i bolesti samo coronaa i coronaaa vidis svaku dan umiru od coroneee to je strasnoo...
Dok nije bilo corone ljudi nisu umirali, a nasi stari su zivjeli 500 godina...
Znas li ti da je corona nekome starom i bolesnom djedu od 90+ godina skratila život za par mjeseci, to do sad ni jedan drugi virus nije uradio nikome, a djed je jos ima 3 ili 4 teske bolesti....
Aaaaaaaa coronaaaa, drugi val.... Umiremo svi...
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#22693 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Je li ti imas vise od 16 godina?MUNAFIK wrote: ↑26/04/2020 20:32Lajavikrelac wrote: ↑26/04/2020 19:52Dobar post. Po toj logici komorbiditeta svi mi mlađi i zdraviji bi morali hodati 24 sata sa gas maskama i zaštitinim odijelima, imati na vratima kuće/stana dezinfekcioni tunel i tri puta sedmično raditi kompletne serološke testove i naravno svaki dan prostorije špricati sredstvom za dezinfekciju jer avaj možemo naše starije zaraziti gripom, kijavicom, koronom, streptokokom, ešerihijom, kandidom, zauškama.....(nastavi niz). Virusi i bakterije su uvijek tu sa nama i u nama, otkada je svijeta i vijeka. Možemo se svi sada kolektivno zaključati u podrume na tri mjeseca i nikuda ne mrdati virus neće nestati, ako kao takav uopše i postoji, nego bi naprotiv sve virusne infekcije još gore buknule i napravile pomor jer bi nam svima pao imunitet i stečena otpornost na nametnike. Redovna higijena, nutrijenti i suplementi u ishrani igraju glavnu ulogu u borbi protiv zaraze, što svaki ljekar zna, a jel to iko od ovih "stučnjaka" savjetovao? Jest al u qurcu! Šta kada nakon ovih svih jebada, mjera, maski i rukavica krene sezonka gripa? Pa ima da nas povalja sve od 5 do 105, grobari će raditi u tri smjenebiglebovski wrote: ↑26/04/2020 18:07 Nečiji otac...
Dedo Hamid Lepenica iz sela Brajlovići kod Goražda najstariji je od deset Goraždana koji su pobijedili koronavirus. Hamid ima astmu, bronhitis, aritmiju srca ...
https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/565326/dedo ... dvedose-me
Što se niste gospođo solidarisali prošle godine kad nam je umrlo 90 ljudi od gripe? Ozbiljno pitanje.
Prestanite plašiti starije i hronične bolesnike nametanjem pretpostavke da će svako od njih ko fasuje koronu otići dok si reko keks. To apsolutno nije istina. Ogromna većina hroničnih bolesnika preboli koronu, sa manje ili više komplikacija, ali preboli. Ti ljudi imaju ionako dosta problema, živjeti u potpunom strahu za njih je nepotrebno opterećenje. Pustite ljude da žive, zatvorilo ih ko razbojnike kakve, sve ko fol se brinu za njih. A prosječna penzija 300 maraka. Taman za krstarenja...
Ajte sad nam zakačite onaj formular o odbijanju respiratora, nije odavno bio.![]()
Ma hej umire se SAMO OD CORONE... Sta ce gripa, sta ce ostali virusi i bolesti samo coronaa i coronaaa vidis svaku dan umiru od coroneee to je strasnoo...
Dok nije bilo corone ljudi nisu umirali, a nasi stari su zivjeli 500 godina...
Znas li ti da je corona nekome starom i bolesnom djedu od 90+ godina skratila život za par mjeseci, to do sad ni jedan drugi virus nije uradio nikome, a djed je jos ima 3 ili 4 teske bolesti....
Aaaaaaaa coronaaaa, drugi val.... Umiremo svi...
Da se ne ibretim bezveze nacinu razmisljanja.
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#22694 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Ja ne znam kako vam više ne dosadi, majke mi.

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convict
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#22695 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
jasno mi je da neko moze osporavati broj zarazenih, nacin nastanka i sirenja virusa, mjere koje se poduzimaju, ali kad procitam da neko brojeve umrlih naziva lazima i hoaxom, sjetim se istih takvih teoreticara koji su u ratu omalovazavali brojeve poginulih i plasirali kojekakve teorije zavjera. isti je to mentalni sklop...
cak i da su svih 205 hiljada dosad umrlih 80ogodisnjaci, sacuvajte malo ljudskosti, ipak su to bili neciji roditelji, nane, dede...
cak i da su svih 205 hiljada dosad umrlih 80ogodisnjaci, sacuvajte malo ljudskosti, ipak su to bili neciji roditelji, nane, dede...
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#22696 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Na bs, tekst na Faktoru.
Christian Drosten, who directs the Institute of Virology at the Charité Hospital in Berlin, was one of those who identified the Sars virus in 2003. As the head of the German public health institute’s reference lab on coronaviruses, he has become the government’s go-to expert on the related virus causing the current pandemic.
In an exclusive interview, Drosten admits he fears a second deadly wave of the virus. He explains why Angela Merkel has an advantage over other world leaders – and why the “prevention paradox” keeps him awake at night.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -interview
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#22697 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Je li ono vakcina dozivotno stitiarmin071 wrote: ↑26/04/2020 09:48Nema imuniteta dok vakcina ne dođe.U priopćenju ta agencija Ujedinjenih naroda upozorava da se osobama koje su preboljele zarazu ne bi trebale izdavati potvrde da su stekle imunitet i da ne predstavljaju rizik za ostale.
Takva bi praksa samo mogla povećati opasnost od širenja virusa jer se na taj način zanemaruju standardne preporuke.Ja bih čak išao korak dalje i osobe koje su preboljele zarazu zatvarao u karantin do daljnjeg jer ko su oni da se imuniziraju sami od sebe?? Ko su oni da zanemaruju standardne preporuke svete who agencije??
Jebote život koje ispiranje mozga i zdravog razuma![]()
Garant jest
Ili je kao za gripu pokriva samo 10% soja i drzi max 9 mjeseci
Isplati se cekati je
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#22698 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Soda bikarbona je jedini lijek koji lijeci momentalno.
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