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GAU8 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:44 Donald Trump pokušava namamiti naučnike iz Tübingena u SAD velikim financijskim doprinosom. Zeli kupiti firmu da bi razvijao lijek iskljucivo za USA.
Stoga se zakacio sa njemackom vladom.

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Lik je totalna ubleha i bolesnik... odron ljudskog sljama...
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GAU8 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:48
Hajlac wrote: 15/03/2020 19:45 Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and klix viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

If you are likely to be in close contact with someone infected, a mask cuts the chance of the disease being passed on. If you’re showing symptoms of coronavirus, or have been diagnosed, wearing a mask can also protect others. So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

However, masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus so there is no need to bulk-buy a huge supply.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ts-checked
Jos jednom da se ponovi.

Maske funkcionisu u Hong Kongu i Koreji perfektno. Zasto? Zato jer ih SVI nose, sa pretpostavkom da je svako potencijalno zarazen.
Ove obicne maske sluze da bolesnik ne siri virus oko sebe a ne da sprijece da zdravi pokupi virus

Utuvite to jedno u glavu
ja imam one maske za loženje uglja u peci, to poslije lozenja crna mi usta i nos od prasine... raja misli ono sto hirurzi nose u salama da je to da nebi oni zrarazu pokupili, to je da nebi oni na otvorenu ranu prenjeli bakterije... jedino je zastita ono svemirsko odijelo...
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Mogy87 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:51
SmokingMan wrote: 15/03/2020 19:42 Došao sam juče iz Njemačke i izolaciji sam u narednih 13 dana. Kada prođe ovaj period obavezno nabavaiti maske, medicinsku opremu, određene lijekove, sanitarne preparate. Niko ne zna koliko će zaraza trajati. Izolacija, koja je na snagu stupila i kod nas, se koristi samo kao preventiva, odnosno ublažavanje povećanja broja zaraženih. Jednostavno se pokušava kako -tako dobiti na vremenu kako bi se pronašla efektivna vakcina.
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Sultanahmed wrote: 15/03/2020 19:53
Mogy87 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:51
SmokingMan wrote: 15/03/2020 19:42 Došao sam juče iz Njemačke i izolaciji sam u narednih 13 dana. Kada prođe ovaj period obavezno nabavaiti maske, medicinsku opremu, određene lijekove, sanitarne preparate. Niko ne zna koliko će zaraza trajati. Izolacija, koja je na snagu stupila i kod nas, se koristi samo kao preventiva, odnosno ublažavanje povećanja broja zaraženih. Jednostavno se pokušava kako -tako dobiti na vremenu kako bi se pronašla efektivna vakcina.
Za vakcinu treba 12-18 mjeseci
Njemacki naucnici najavljuju da ce vakcina biti na ljeto gotova
Tko živ Ko mrtav do tad... sve je u Allahovim rukama...
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GAU8 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:48
Hajlac wrote: 15/03/2020 19:45 Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and klix viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

If you are likely to be in close contact with someone infected, a mask cuts the chance of the disease being passed on. If you’re showing symptoms of coronavirus, or have been diagnosed, wearing a mask can also protect others. So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

However, masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus so there is no need to bulk-buy a huge supply.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ts-checked
Jos jednom da se ponovi.

Maske funkcionisu u Hong Kongu i Koreji perfektno. Zasto? Zato jer ih SVI nose, sa pretpostavkom da je svako potencijalno zarazen.
Ove obicne maske sluze da bolesnik ne siri virus oko sebe a ne da sprijece da zdravi pokupi virus

Utuvite to jedno u glavu
dodao bih jos, da nasi u apotekama nisu trebali dozvoliti prodaju masku, nego iste podijeliti hitnim timovima, te samo zarazenim i onim u izolaciji dijeliti
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najbolja preventiva...
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Ne znam da igdje ima maske uzet
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GAU8 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:48
Hajlac wrote: 15/03/2020 19:45 Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and klix viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

If you are likely to be in close contact with someone infected, a mask cuts the chance of the disease being passed on. If you’re showing symptoms of coronavirus, or have been diagnosed, wearing a mask can also protect others. So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

However, masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus so there is no need to bulk-buy a huge supply.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ts-checked
Jos jednom da se ponovi.

Maske funkcionisu u Hong Kongu i Koreji perfektno. Zasto? Zato jer ih SVI nose, sa pretpostavkom da je svako potencijalno zarazen.
Ove obicne maske sluze da bolesnik ne siri virus oko sebe a ne da sprijece da zdravi pokupi virus

Utuvite to jedno u glavu
Ne, ne postoji niti jedan jedini dokaz da maska na zdravim osobama imaju ikakav uticaj na sirenje zaraze. The Guardian vs. WHO, US Surgeon General... dovoljno? U Aziji ih nose primarno kako ne bi udisali mikro cestice zgadjenja, a sekundarno bolesni kako ne bi zarazili druge, sto je dio azijske kulture.

Utuvi to jedno u glavu!
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Sultanahmed wrote: 15/03/2020 19:53
Mogy87 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:51
SmokingMan wrote: 15/03/2020 19:42 Došao sam juče iz Njemačke i izolaciji sam u narednih 13 dana. Kada prođe ovaj period obavezno nabavaiti maske, medicinsku opremu, određene lijekove, sanitarne preparate. Niko ne zna koliko će zaraza trajati. Izolacija, koja je na snagu stupila i kod nas, se koristi samo kao preventiva, odnosno ublažavanje povećanja broja zaraženih. Jednostavno se pokušava kako -tako dobiti na vremenu kako bi se pronašla efektivna vakcina.
Za vakcinu treba 12-18 mjeseci
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odakle ti to??
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Dosadno mii wrote: 15/03/2020 19:55 Ne znam da igdje ima maske uzet
ma jebo maske dze targuz...
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mO k3 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:59
Sultanahmed wrote: 15/03/2020 19:53
Mogy87 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:51

Za vakcinu treba 12-18 mjeseci
Njemacki naucnici najavljuju da ce vakcina biti na ljeto gotova
odakle ti to??
Kaze u videu ovdi

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nema tariguza, al zato ima lotos maramica na svakom cosku, pa zbrojite 2 i 2
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Sultanahmed wrote: 15/03/2020 19:53
Mogy87 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:51
SmokingMan wrote: 15/03/2020 19:42 Došao sam juče iz Njemačke i izolaciji sam u narednih 13 dana. Kada prođe ovaj period obavezno nabavaiti maske, medicinsku opremu, određene lijekove, sanitarne preparate. Niko ne zna koliko će zaraza trajati. Izolacija, koja je na snagu stupila i kod nas, se koristi samo kao preventiva, odnosno ublažavanje povećanja broja zaraženih. Jednostavno se pokušava kako -tako dobiti na vremenu kako bi se pronašla efektivna vakcina.
Za vakcinu treba 12-18 mjeseci
Njemacki naucnici najavljuju da ce vakcina biti na ljeto gotova
Ako nekoga zanima kako tece proces razvoja vakcine i dokle smo stigli
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pici wrote: 15/03/2020 19:59
Dosadno mii wrote: 15/03/2020 19:55 Ne znam da igdje ima maske uzet
ma jebo maske dze targuz...
Zar si se vec usr'o zbog pichoka iz begisha!? :lol: :D
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Eticko pitanje kod dotora u italiji je koga spasiti koga ne , ko ima vise sansi ko ne ....
Ponovo iz sigurnih izvora znam da ce tako biti u Njemackoj , 30.000 kreveta za intenzivnu njegu imaju , oni racunaju sa vise plus drugi pacijenti
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mO k3 wrote: 15/03/2020 20:04 Eticko pitanje kod dotora u italiji je koga spasiti koga ne , ko ima vise sansi ko ne ....
Ponovo iz sigurnih izvora znam da ce tako biti u Njemackoj , 30.000 kreveta za intenzivnu njegu imaju , oni racunaju sa vise plus drugi pacijenti
Pisala sam ranije da im je 80% respiratora vec zauzeto pacijentima prije corone. Racunaju na razvlacenje epidemije da ih ne udari odjednom kao Italiju.
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Cortado wrote: 15/03/2020 19:56
GAU8 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:48
Hajlac wrote: 15/03/2020 19:45 Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and klix viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

If you are likely to be in close contact with someone infected, a mask cuts the chance of the disease being passed on. If you’re showing symptoms of coronavirus, or have been diagnosed, wearing a mask can also protect others. So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

However, masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus so there is no need to bulk-buy a huge supply.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ts-checked
Jos jednom da se ponovi.

Maske funkcionisu u Hong Kongu i Koreji perfektno. Zasto? Zato jer ih SVI nose, sa pretpostavkom da je svako potencijalno zarazen.
Ove obicne maske sluze da bolesnik ne siri virus oko sebe a ne da sprijece da zdravi pokupi virus

Utuvite to jedno u glavu
Ne, ne postoji niti jedan jedini dokaz da maska na zdravim osobama imaju ikakav uticaj na sirenje zaraze. The Guardian vs. WHO, US Surgeon General... dovoljno? U Aziji ih nose primarno kako ne bi udisali mikro cestice zgadjenja, a sekundarno bolesni kako ne bi zarazili druge, sto je dio azijske kulture.

Utuvi to jedno u glavu!
Ti ili nisi procitao ili nisi razumio sta sam napisao
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mO k3 wrote: 15/03/2020 20:04 Eticko pitanje kod dotora u italiji je koga spasiti koga ne , ko ima vise sansi ko ne ....
Ponovo iz sigurnih izvora znam da ce tako biti u Njemackoj , 30.000 kreveta za intenzivnu njegu imaju , oni racunaju sa vise plus drugi pacijenti
Sjecam se da sam procitao da je Obama potpisao plan zastite stanovnistva u slacajevima velikih kriza-stari i smrtno bolesni zadnji na listi.
Doktorima nije ostavljena mogucnost da odlucuju u takvim situacijama.
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pici wrote: 15/03/2020 19:59
Dosadno mii wrote: 15/03/2020 19:55 Ne znam da igdje ima maske uzet
ma jebo maske dze targuz...
:lol:
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U Njemackoj smrtnost tipa 0.2% a u Italiji ludilo. Stvarno ne mogu da skontam kako je tolika razlika :-)
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AmirBaa wrote: 15/03/2020 20:17 U Njemackoj smrtnost tipa 0.2% a u Italiji ludilo. Stvarno ne mogu da skontam kako je tolika razlika :-)
Mozda je vise starijih u Italiji ...
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Simptomski gledano korona podsjeća na gripu, ali samo za mlađe osobe:

80.9% of infections are mild (with flu-like symptoms) and can recover at home.

Što je nekako i kod gripe, dobijes je, odlezis kuci par dana i to je to. Korona je veći problem zbog udara na starije stanovništvo i što za razliku od gripe oni je dosta loše podnose.

80% of cases are mild
Based on all 72,314 cases of COVID-19 confirmed, suspected, and asymptomatic cases in China as of February 11, a paper by the Chinese CCDC released on February 17 and published in the Chinese Journal of Epidemiology has found that:

80.9% of infections are mild (with flu-like symptoms) and can recover at home.
13.8% are severe, developing severe diseases including pneumonia and shortness of breath.
4.7% as critical and can include: respiratory failure, septic shock, and multi-organ failure.
in about 2% of reported cases the virus is fatal.
Risk of death increases the older you are.
Relatively few cases are seen among children.

Pre-existing conditions:

Pre-existing illnesses that put patients at higher risk:

cardiovascular disease
diabetes
chronic respiratory disease
hypertension

That said, some otherwise healthy people do seem to develop a severe form of pneumonia after being infected by the virus. The reason for this is being investigated as we try to learn more about this new virus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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pici wrote: 15/03/2020 19:53
GAU8 wrote: 15/03/2020 19:48
Hajlac wrote: 15/03/2020 19:45 Claim: ‘Face masks don’t work’
Wearing a face mask is certainly not an iron-clad guarantee that you won’t get sick – viruses can also transmit through the eyes and klix viral particles, known as aerosols, can penetrate masks. However, masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone (although others have found lower levels of effectiveness).

If you are likely to be in close contact with someone infected, a mask cuts the chance of the disease being passed on. If you’re showing symptoms of coronavirus, or have been diagnosed, wearing a mask can also protect others. So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask.

However, masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus so there is no need to bulk-buy a huge supply.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ts-checked
Jos jednom da se ponovi.

Maske funkcionisu u Hong Kongu i Koreji perfektno. Zasto? Zato jer ih SVI nose, sa pretpostavkom da je svako potencijalno zarazen.
Ove obicne maske sluze da bolesnik ne siri virus oko sebe a ne da sprijece da zdravi pokupi virus

Utuvite to jedno u glavu
ja imam one maske za loženje uglja u peci, to poslije lozenja crna mi usta i nos od prasine... raja misli ono sto hirurzi nose u salama da je to da nebi oni zrarazu pokupili, to je da nebi oni na otvorenu ranu prenjeli bakterije... jedino je zastita ono svemirsko odijelo...
Pa bolan to ti govorim. Kada bi SVI nosili to znači da bi nosili i svi zaraženi. I zaraza bi se puno teže širila od njih na druge. Jednostavno svi trebamo pretpostaviti da smo potencijalni nosioci virusa i zato nositi masku da štitimo okolinu od nas a ne sebe od okoline
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skafiskafsnjak wrote: 15/03/2020 20:18
AmirBaa wrote: 15/03/2020 20:17 U Njemackoj smrtnost tipa 0.2% a u Italiji ludilo. Stvarno ne mogu da skontam kako je tolika razlika :-)
Mozda je vise starijih u Italiji ...
Mozda jos nisu dozivjeli puni udar
Mozda nisu imali infekciju u bolnici
Mozda su vise disciplinovani
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