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#10451 Re: Migranti u BiH

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imaš ti i ne znaš čitat, ne odnosi se na izbjeglice bilo koje vrste a ni migrante samo na civile pod okupacijom.dakle okupator ne smije civile koristit u bilo koje svrhe, a ni maltretirat, bajka za malu djecu
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#10452 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Idu migranti, ide virus, ide vojska.... :-)

PS. Sve ih je vise u Zenici.
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#10453 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Spejs Radovan wrote: 29/02/2020 18:28 imaš ti i ne znaš čitat, ne odnosi se na izbjeglice bilo koje vrste a ni migrante samo na civile pod okupacijom.dakle okupator ne smije civile koristit u bilo koje svrhe, a ni maltretirat, bajka za malu djecu
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#10454 Re: Migranti u BiH

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howdy wrote: 29/02/2020 19:35
Spejs Radovan wrote: 29/02/2020 18:28 imaš ti i ne znaš čitat, ne odnosi se na izbjeglice bilo koje vrste a ni migrante samo na civile pod okupacijom.dakle okupator ne smije civile koristit u bilo koje svrhe, a ni maltretirat, bajka za malu djecu
Pravi se blesav
Recite vi meni jeste li vi pismeni? :shock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventio ... f_Refugees

The Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, also known as the 1951 Refugee Convention or the Geneva Convention of 28 July 1951

The contracting states shall not
discriminate against refugees (Article 3)
take exceptional measures against a refugee solely on account of his or her nationality (Article 8)
expect refugees to pay taxes and fiscal charges that are different to those of nationals (Article 29)
impose penalties on refugees who entered illegally in search of asylum if they present themselves without delay (Article 31), which is commonly interpreted to mean that their unlawful entry and presence ought not to be prosecuted at all[16]
expel refugees (Article 32)
forcibly return or "refoul" refugees to the country they have fled from (Article 33). It is widely accepted that the prohibition of forcible return is part of customary international law. This means that even states that are not party to the 1951 Refugee Convention must respect the principle of non-refoulement.[15] Therefore, states are obligated under the Convention and under customary international law to respect the principle of non-refoulement. If and when this principle is threatened, UNHCR can respond by intervening with relevant authorities, and if it deems necessary, will inform the public.[15]

Refugees shall be treated at least like nationals in relation to
freedom to practice their religion (Article 4)
the respect and protection of artistic rights and industrial property (Article 14)
rationing (Article 20)
elementary education (Article 22)
public relief and assistance (Article 23)
labour legislation and social security (Article 24)

Refugees shall be treated at least like other non-nationals in relation to
movable and immovable property (Article 13)
the right of association in unions or other associations (Article 15)
wage-earning employment (Article 17)
self-employment (Article 18)
practice of the liberal professions (Article 19)
housing (Article 21)
education higher than elementary (Article 22)
the right to free movement and free choice of residence within the country (Article 26)
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#10455 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Refugees - mnogo drugacije od fatam se noge iz pakistana bangladesa alzira itd jer je bolje u dojclandu.


Naravno tvoja prica ostaje ista - lijepis svima da su izbjeglice iako ne rade ono sto izbjeglica je dizan da uradi a to je da PODNESE ZAHTJEV ZA AZIL u prvoj sigurnoj zemlji.

Koliki god oni problem stvarali to je omoguceno zbog “aktivista” tipa tebe.
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#10456 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Edin H. wrote: 29/02/2020 23:10
howdy wrote: 29/02/2020 19:35
Spejs Radovan wrote: 29/02/2020 18:28 imaš ti i ne znaš čitat, ne odnosi se na izbjeglice bilo koje vrste a ni migrante samo na civile pod okupacijom.dakle okupator ne smije civile koristit u bilo koje svrhe, a ni maltretirat, bajka za malu djecu
Pravi se blesav
Recite vi meni jeste li vi pismeni? :shock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventio ... f_Refugees

Eto nek si ti pismen. Izbjeglica nije jednako migrant.
Mozes sad pisat traktate do unedogled.


The Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, also known as the 1951 Refugee Convention or the Geneva Convention of 28 July 1951

The contracting states shall not
discriminate against refugees (Article 3)
take exceptional measures against a refugee solely on account of his or her nationality (Article 8)
expect refugees to pay taxes and fiscal charges that are different to those of nationals (Article 29)
impose penalties on refugees who entered illegally in search of asylum if they present themselves without delay (Article 31), which is commonly interpreted to mean that their unlawful entry and presence ought not to be prosecuted at all[16]
expel refugees (Article 32)
forcibly return or "refoul" refugees to the country they have fled from (Article 33). It is widely accepted that the prohibition of forcible return is part of customary international law. This means that even states that are not party to the 1951 Refugee Convention must respect the principle of non-refoulement.[15] Therefore, states are obligated under the Convention and under customary international law to respect the principle of non-refoulement. If and when this principle is threatened, UNHCR can respond by intervening with relevant authorities, and if it deems necessary, will inform the public.[15]

Refugees shall be treated at least like nationals in relation to
freedom to practice their religion (Article 4)
the respect and protection of artistic rights and industrial property (Article 14)
rationing (Article 20)
elementary education (Article 22)
public relief and assistance (Article 23)
labour legislation and social security (Article 24)

Refugees shall be treated at least like other non-nationals in relation to
movable and immovable property (Article 13)
the right of association in unions or other associations (Article 15)
wage-earning employment (Article 17)
self-employment (Article 18)
practice of the liberal professions (Article 19)
housing (Article 21)
education higher than elementary (Article 22)
the right to free movement and free choice of residence within the country (Article 26)
Eto nek si ti pismen. Migrant nije isto sto i izbjeglica.
To sto ti dovodis te dvije kategorije pod znak jednakosti je tvoj problem.
Sad nastavi lijepit konvencije koje su sprijecile genocid u Srebrenici i ne budi smor.
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#10457 Re: Migranti u BiH

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neko_sa_strane wrote: 29/02/2020 13:27 Miroljubive izbjeglice, njih 15000 koje je brko pustio ka Evropi zasuli kamenicama pripadnike grčke pogranične policije na prelazu Kastanies.

Nezz sto ne pucaju po njima :? Ocita agresija razularenih hordi na suverenu drzavu. Podrska grcima
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#10458 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Dodik najavio da će organizovati i narod po selima protiv migranata


Član Predsjedništva BiH Milorad Dodik rekao je da su migranti ozbiljan problem i da će u Republici Srpskoj, ako dođe do većeg priliva, osim angažovanja policije, morati da se izvrši određen oblik organizovanja u naseljenim mjestima.

“Mi ćemo imati problema te vrste, mada ničim nismo doprinijeli… Mi u Republici Srpskoj, prije svega, moramo da vidimo kako ćemo i šta ćemo, jer na organe BiH u tom pogledu ne možete da računate”, rekao je Dodik novinarima.

On je podsjetio da je i dalje dominantna politika republičke vlasti da migranti ne o ostanu stacionirani u Republici Srpskoj.

“Ono što ćemo ovaj put morati da učinimo, ukoliko dođe do većeg priliva migranata, da se organizuju ne samo naša policija i službe nego da to učinimo kroz neki oblik organizovanja u selima, svim mjestima”, rekao je Dodik.
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#10459 Re: Migranti u BiH

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#10460 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Ima i za ovo malo radikalniji lijek, ako baš sve krene po zlu:

Koliko Erdoan pošalje tj. propusti migranata u EU tačno toliko pohvatati Turaka na boravištu u EU i ekspeditivno ih proslijediti u Tursku, avionima, željeznicama, brodovima i sl.
Pa onda "kaj bo pa bo" što bi rekli Slovenci :bih:

Sretan Dan nezavisnosti BiH svim forumašima ! :bih:
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#10461 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Sanjarko wrote: 29/02/2020 19:07 Idu migranti, ide virus, ide vojska.... :-)

PS. Sve ih je vise u Zenici.
Ima ih i ovdje. Pored svakog trznog centra su.
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#10462 Re: Migranti u BiH

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loudness wrote: 01/03/2020 13:34 Ima i za ovo malo radikalniji lijek, ako baš sve krene po zlu:

Koliko Erdoan pošalje tj. propusti migranata u EU tačno toliko pohvatati Turaka na boravištu u EU i ekspeditivno ih proslijediti u Tursku, avionima, željeznicama, brodovima i sl.
Pa onda "kaj bo pa bo" što bi rekli Slovenci :bih:

Sretan Dan nezavisnosti BiH svim forumašima ! :bih:
Ovaj tvoj "bo pa bo nemoguc lijek" (prouci njemacki zakon). Turci koji su decenijama u njemackoj imaju stalni boravak -starija generacija.Druga i treca generacija 80 posto njih imaju dvojno drzavljanstvo - njemacko i tursko.
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#10463 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Bice tu i bojeve municije ko i u Hrvatskoj.
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#10464 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Rothmans wrote: 01/03/2020 08:52
neko_sa_strane wrote: 29/02/2020 13:27 Miroljubive izbjeglice, njih 15000 koje je brko pustio ka Evropi zasuli kamenicama pripadnike grčke pogranične policije na prelazu Kastanies.

Nezz sto ne pucaju po njima :? Ocita agresija razularenih hordi na suverenu drzavu. Podrska grcima
pucat po nenaoruyanom narodu/ bas si pametan, oni i ne zele da ostanu u grckoj traze prolaz do njemacke, francuske ili skandinavije
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#10465 Re: Migranti u BiH

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aerodinamika wrote: 01/03/2020 14:40
Rothmans wrote: 01/03/2020 08:52
neko_sa_strane wrote: 29/02/2020 13:27 Miroljubive izbjeglice, njih 15000 koje je brko pustio ka Evropi zasuli kamenicama pripadnike grčke pogranične policije na prelazu Kastanies.

Nezz sto ne pucaju po njima :? Ocita agresija razularenih hordi na suverenu drzavu. Podrska grcima
pucat po nenaoruyanom narodu/ bas si pametan, oni i ne zele da ostanu u grckoj traze prolaz do njemacke, francuske ili skandinavije
A jesi ti skonto pametnjakovicu da ih ne žele ni u De ni u Fra?
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#10466 Re: Migranti u BiH

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aerodinamika wrote: 01/03/2020 14:40
Rothmans wrote: 01/03/2020 08:52
neko_sa_strane wrote: 29/02/2020 13:27 Miroljubive izbjeglice, njih 15000 koje je brko pustio ka Evropi zasuli kamenicama pripadnike grčke pogranične policije na prelazu Kastanies.

Nezz sto ne pucaju po njima :? Ocita agresija razularenih hordi na suverenu drzavu. Podrska grcima
pucat po nenaoruyanom narodu/ bas si pametan, oni i ne zele da ostanu u grckoj traze prolaz do njemacke, francuske ili skandinavije
pa de fino stani, pa nek te neko potrefi u glavu kakvim oblutkom sa jedno 20 m. bil' i onda tepao nenaoružanom narodu ?
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#10467 Re: Migranti u BiH

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aerodinamika wrote: 01/03/2020 14:40
Rothmans wrote: 01/03/2020 08:52
neko_sa_strane wrote: 29/02/2020 13:27 Miroljubive izbjeglice, njih 15000 koje je brko pustio ka Evropi zasuli kamenicama pripadnike grčke pogranične policije na prelazu Kastanies.

Nezz sto ne pucaju po njima :? Ocita agresija razularenih hordi na suverenu drzavu. Podrska grcima
pucat po nenaoruyanom narodu/ bas si pametan, oni i ne zele da ostanu u grckoj traze prolaz do njemacke, francuske ili skandinavije
Taj nenaoruzan narod je naoruzan kamenicama. Oni imaju pravo gadjati kamenicama a policija nema pravo uzvratiti?
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#10468 Re: Migranti u BiH

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tak je nekak i u yugovini zapoco rat, na nekoj svadbi domacin pripuco a komsija zestoko uzvratio ...
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#10469 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Iznenadila sam se da su Saudijska Arabija i Rusija ovako visoko na ljestvici migrantskih destinacija. Doduše, ovo su podaci iz 2017. I govore o ukupnom broju migranata u odnosu na cjelokupnu populaciju. U Saudiji su to, pretpostavljam, strani radnici... Zanimao me je broj migranta/izbjeglica u bogatim arapskim zemaljama:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/program ... l-migrants
At the country level, about half of all international migrants reside in just 10 countries, with the United States of America hosting the largest number of international migrants (51 million), equal to about 19 per cent of the world’s total. Germany and Saudi Arabia host the second and third largest numbers of migrants (13 million each), followed by the Russian Federation (12 million), the United Kingdom (10 million), the United Arab Emirates (9 million), France, Canada and Australia (around 8 million each) and Italy (6 million).

https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/ ... -2019.html
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#10470 Re: Migranti u BiH

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biscanka2 wrote: 01/03/2020 14:38
loudness wrote: 01/03/2020 13:34 Ima i za ovo malo radikalniji lijek, ako baš sve krene po zlu:

Koliko Erdoan pošalje tj. propusti migranata u EU tačno toliko pohvatati Turaka na boravištu u EU i ekspeditivno ih proslijediti u Tursku, avionima, željeznicama, brodovima i sl.
Pa onda "kaj bo pa bo" što bi rekli Slovenci :bih:

Sretan Dan nezavisnosti BiH svim forumašima ! :bih:
Ovaj tvoj "bo pa bo nemoguc lijek" (prouci njemacki zakon). Turci koji su decenijama u njemackoj imaju stalni boravak -starija generacija.Druga i treca generacija 80 posto njih imaju dvojno drzavljanstvo - njemacko i tursko.
Moze drzava sve, u Engleskoj vracaju u Jamajku ljude koji tu borave, dvadeset, trideset godina,samo promijenis zakon ili uvedes velike namete za produzenje, koju vecina ne moze platiti. Kod ovih koji imaju drzavljanstvo je komplikovanije, ali u pricipu ako su pocinili ozbiljnije krivicno dijelo ugrozavanja nacionalne sigurnosti moze se oduzeti drzavljantvo, jer imaju alternativnu drzavu roditelja u kojoj mogu dobiti drzavljanstvo cak iako nemaju dvojno drzavljanstvo i zivjeti, znaci nece postati stateless, sto bi bilo protuzakonito.

Na mozete se oslanjati na zakon kada vam odgvara, a kada proradi unutrasnja ksenofobija ne. :-)
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#10471 Re: Migranti u BiH

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espn wrote: 01/03/2020 14:28
Sanjarko wrote: 29/02/2020 19:07 Idu migranti, ide virus, ide vojska.... :-)

PS. Sve ih je vise u Zenici.
Ima ih i ovdje. Pored svakog trznog centra su.
Jbn vakat. Svasta se nesta dogadza.
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#10472 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Sanjarko wrote: 01/03/2020 16:14
espn wrote: 01/03/2020 14:28
Sanjarko wrote: 29/02/2020 19:07 Idu migranti, ide virus, ide vojska.... :-)

PS. Sve ih je vise u Zenici.
Ima ih i ovdje. Pored svakog trznog centra su.
Jbn vakat. Svasta se nesta dogadza.
Ne znam što se iznenadjujete. Veliki broj ljudi će ovdje i ostati, jer neće moći dalje. Juče sam gledala Zlatka Dizadarevića u Novom danu. Kaže da u Srbiji analitičari očekuju da će populacija do 2030 biti 50% domaće stanovništvo, 50% migranti i izbjeglice. I taj će se trend nastaviti, ne samo zbog ratova, već i zbog klimatskih promjena. Možda nam baš migranti riješe permanentnu političku krizu, koja za 10-ak godina više neće imati smisla. Ko zna.

http://ba.n1info.com/Vijesti/a413167/Di ... stoku.html#
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#10473 Re: Migranti u BiH

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piupiu wrote: 01/03/2020 15:45 Iznenadila sam se da su Saudijska Arabija i Rusija ovako visoko na ljestvici migrantskih destinacija. Doduše, ovo su podaci iz 2017. I govore o ukupnom broju migranata u odnosu na cjelokupnu populaciju. U Saudiji su to, pretpostavljam, strani radnici... Zanimao me je broj migranta/izbjeglica u bogatim arapskim zemaljama:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/program ... l-migrants
At the country level, about half of all international migrants reside in just 10 countries, with the United States of America hosting the largest number of international migrants (51 million), equal to about 19 per cent of the world’s total. Germany and Saudi Arabia host the second and third largest numbers of migrants (13 million each), followed by the Russian Federation (12 million), the United Kingdom (10 million), the United Arab Emirates (9 million), France, Canada and Australia (around 8 million each) and Italy (6 million).

https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/ ... -2019.html
Pisao sam ja o tome ali niko nije upratio. Emirati imaju 4-4,5 puta vise migranata i stranih radnika nego domicilnog stanovnistva sto se tice populacije.
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#10474 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Sanjarko wrote: 01/03/2020 16:21
piupiu wrote: 01/03/2020 15:45 Iznenadila sam se da su Saudijska Arabija i Rusija ovako visoko na ljestvici migrantskih destinacija. Doduše, ovo su podaci iz 2017. I govore o ukupnom broju migranata u odnosu na cjelokupnu populaciju. U Saudiji su to, pretpostavljam, strani radnici... Zanimao me je broj migranta/izbjeglica u bogatim arapskim zemaljama:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/program ... l-migrants
At the country level, about half of all international migrants reside in just 10 countries, with the United States of America hosting the largest number of international migrants (51 million), equal to about 19 per cent of the world’s total. Germany and Saudi Arabia host the second and third largest numbers of migrants (13 million each), followed by the Russian Federation (12 million), the United Kingdom (10 million), the United Arab Emirates (9 million), France, Canada and Australia (around 8 million each) and Italy (6 million).

https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/ ... -2019.html
Pisao sam ja o tome ali niko nije upratio. Emirati imaju 4-4,5 puta vise migranata i stranih radnika nego domicilnog stanovnistva sto se tice populacije.
Nisu to nikakvi migranti nego jeftina radna snaga koja nije usla nelegalno u UAE
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#10475 Re: Migranti u BiH

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Sanjarko wrote: 01/03/2020 16:21 Pisao sam ja o tome ali niko nije upratio. Emirati imaju 4-4,5 puta vise migranata i stranih radnika nego domicilnog stanovnistva sto se tice populacije.
Da, samo tamo ne možeš lako dobiti stvarni stalni boravak čak i ako si kupio nekretnine, ništa ti to pretjerano ne garantuje. Ako izgubiš posao, donji si, ako sam dobro skontala od raje. Ali nisam sigurna da oni primaju izbjeglice i migrante 'nako', više je to jeftina radna snaga, dadilje, čistači, konobari, ovi, oni...
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