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#1351 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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MorningStar wrote: 26/11/2019 13:53 meni je naprimjer nemoralno imati 50 djevojaka u isto vrijeme..
To je, prije svega, prakticno neizvodljivo :|
A i sto bi ikome trebao takav belaj u zivotu?
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#1352 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Bloo wrote: 25/11/2019 21:59 Odoh gledati kako se farba suši na zidu....
Zazen, soto-zen, zec-samuraj, pa da :D
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#1353 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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MorningStar wrote: 25/11/2019 21:48
Ja bi ukratko - zato sto ateisti pretezno racunaju na cinjenice i planiraju (kako obrazovati odgojiti dijete - pruziti mu sve sto treba da postigne maksimum u svom odrastanju i slicno) dok vjernik ide "logikom" ovaj svijet nije bitan a svako dijete ima svoju "nafaku" pa stancaj.Pogledati samo gdje su najvece stope prirodnog prirastaja - najsiromasnije rupe od zemalja.
Čini se da je Kina puna ateista.
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#1354 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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S4mpion wrote: 26/11/2019 14:44
MorningStar wrote: 25/11/2019 21:48
Ja bi ukratko - zato sto ateisti pretezno racunaju na cinjenice i planiraju (kako obrazovati odgojiti dijete - pruziti mu sve sto treba da postigne maksimum u svom odrastanju i slicno) dok vjernik ide "logikom" ovaj svijet nije bitan a svako dijete ima svoju "nafaku" pa stancaj.Pogledati samo gdje su najvece stope prirodnog prirastaja - najsiromasnije rupe od zemalja.
Čini se da je Kina puna ateista.
Kina je zaustavila povecanje prirastaja,ogromni rast stanovnista je uzrokovalo ruralno neobrazovano isto - dok vlada nije donijela zakon.Da nisu to uradili danas bi imali 3 milijarde ljudi.Mislis da neki Kinez u zabitom selu zna podrobno filozofiju i teme oko ateizma i religije :D
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#1355 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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MorningStar wrote: 26/11/2019 14:48
S4mpion wrote: 26/11/2019 14:44 Čini se da je Kina puna ateista.
Kina je zaustavila povecanje prirastaja,ogromni rast stanovnista je uzrokovalo ruralno neobrazovano isto - dok vlada nije donijela zakon.Da nisu to uradili danas bi imali 3 milijarde ljudi.Mislis da neki Kinez u zabitom selu zna podrobno filozofiju i teme oko ateizma i religije :D
Ruralno, neobrazovano i ateističko?
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#1356 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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S4mpion wrote: 26/11/2019 14:51

Ruralno, neobrazovano i ateističko?
Ruralno stanovnistvo je zadrzalo tradiciju i lokalna vjerovanja sve do "kulturne revolucije" kad je Mao zatro kinesku kulturu i religiju. Mada ni on nije sve uspio izbrisati...
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#1357 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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MorningStar wrote: 26/11/2019 08:40
1Dante1 wrote: 26/11/2019 07:30


Pa On je stvorio sve, kakvo je pitanje moze li stvarati? Cek jel ti to fakat tako zamisljas? Javis se Bogu i kazes mu da stvori nesto da bi ti vjerovao u Njega, u suprotnom ne postoji. :D Jarane pricamo o Stvoritelju svemira a ti bi da on ispunjava zelje jednom zrnu pijeska da bi to zrno vjerovalo u Njega. Sustina je jednostavna. Dobili smo smjernice sta trebamo raditi da bi lakse prosli kroz ovaj svijet, tvoj je izbor hos li pratit smjernice il neces. Ne vjerujes i ok, ali nemoj preispitivat neke stvari koje je nemoguce dokazat s obzirom na nasa fizicka i intelektualna ogranicenja. Pricas o svemiru i sta ce se desit sto je nemoguce dokazat vec se mogu bacat samo pretpostavke a ismijavas nekog ko vjeruje u Stvoritelja tog svemira o kojem ne znamo nista. Postavljas sliku koja govori kako su vjernici arogantni i tvrdoglavi a onda par postova poslije pises kako isti stancaju djecu jer su neobrazovani i ne razmisljaju. Pises previse gluposti za nekog ko se poziva na "cinjenice" :D

Al znas da postoji taj neko sto ga je stvorio jer eto... tako ... ja :lol:
Vjerujem da postoji, ti ne vjerujes i dovidjenja. Nek ti najvaznije pitanje bude jel Stvoritelj svega moze napravit kamen odredjene velicine i tezine :D
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#1358 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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MorningStar wrote: 26/11/2019 14:53
S4mpion wrote: 26/11/2019 14:51

Ruralno, neobrazovano i ateističko?
Ruralno stanovnistvo je zadrzalo tradiciju i lokalna vjerovanja sve do "kulturne revolucije" kad je Mao zatro kinesku kulturu i religiju. Mada ni on nije sve uspio izbrisati...
Onaj ateista Mao što je "obris'o" milione njih s lica zemlje?
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#1359 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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TRadicija, običaji i religijska ideologija zamijenjena sa drugom vrstom ideologije - mislima Mao Zedonga.
Jedna dogma zamijenjena drugom.
Mao 'mjesto Boga. Mao umjesto predaka. Mao početak i kraj.
Halid 'mjesto Halida.
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#1360 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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S4mpion wrote: 26/11/2019 15:02
Onaj ateista Mao što je "obris'o" milione njih s lica zemlje?
Nije namjerno :evil:
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#1361 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Bloo wrote: 26/11/2019 15:06 Tradicija, običaji i religijska ideologija zamijenjena sa drugom vrstom ideologije - mislima Mao Zedonga.
Jedna dogma zamijenjena drugom.
Mao 'mjesto Boga. Mao umjesto predaka. Mao početak i kraj.
Halid 'mjesto Halida.
Nema ozbiljnijeg krkljanca bez bigotskog idiotizma - bitno je da se mantra, pa sta god mantrali.
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#1362 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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S4mpion wrote: 26/11/2019 15:02
Onaj ateista Mao što je "obris'o" milione njih s lica zemlje?
E taj :D
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Edouard wrote: 26/11/2019 11:31 Po kojim kriterijima se određuje značaj nečega u svemiru; prema masi, volumenu, trenutku nastajanja, trajanju, udaljenosti, temperaturi, zračenju, iznosu gravitacije, brzini kretanja...?
Po cinjenici da jos uvijek ne znamo ni da li smo sami u svemiru, kao jedina inteligentna vrsta (iako mnogi dokazi, kao i zakon vjerovatnoce, ukazuju da niti smo sami, niti smo najinteligentniji).
Poznato je da je ljudski mozak najkompleksnija poznata struktura u čitavom svemiru, i zašto čovjek kao takav ne bi bio najznačajniji dio svemira, nazovimo tako kao centar svemira.
Iz cega, ili na koji nacin je ovo poznato?! Iz vjerskih knjiga, ili postoje neke naucne cinjenice za koje nisam cuo....?
Slično vrijedi i kod sistema koje je čovjek izradio; glavni procesor je 'srce' kompjutera, a ne monitor, kod automobila motor, a ne karoserija...
Vec smo nepobitno ranije utvrdili da nismo bas jedina inteligentna vrsta na planeti, kao i da vijekovima kopiramo razne druge zivotinje, ili se, u najmanju ruky, ponasamo identicno njima u masi stvari.
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Ultimately every living thing can trace its ancestry to a bacterium that lived billions of years ago.

Bears, seals, and dogs are closely related carnivores but are on a different branch of the evolutionary tree than cats and hyenas.

Some snakes have hipbones, which shows they once had four legs like lizards, their close cousins.

Inside some whales and dolphins are small bones that show they once had back legs and that their ancestors walked on land. These occasionally reappear as klix rear flippers.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs and both are descended from reptiles. The closest living reptilian relation of a bird is the crocodile.

Evolution rarely follows a straight line from species to species. Instead, it is more like a tree with many branches. Some branches lead to new branches, while others become dead ends.

Interesting Blue Eyes Fact
All blue-eyed people can be traced to one ancestor
Most people had brown eyes until about 10,000 years ago when a single genetic mutation from the Black Sea switched the eyes from brown to blue. Approximately 8% of the world’s population now has blue eyes.

An elephant’s trunk is an amazing example of evolutionary development. It is a combined nose and upper lip that lengthened as the elephant’s ancestors became taller and their tusks grew bigger. With its heavy head, it needed an easy way to reach the ground.

Physically, the human body seems to have changed very little in the last 50,000 years. However improvements in diets, increased lifespan, and developments in biotechnology may start to speed up the evolutionary process.

All humans develop a tail in the womb that eventually dissolves.

The penises of human ancestors were covered in hard spines. Theorists believe these spines possibly helped a man’s sperm overtake that of his competitors. As humans became more monogamous, the spines became obsolete.

Darwin (1809–1882) did not come up with the phrase “survival of the fittest” to summarize his theory. Rather, the philosopher Herbert Spencer (1820–1903) coined the phrase.

Darwin did not argue that humans came from monkeys. Rather he wrote only that monkeys, apes, and humans have a common ancestor.[1]
Man is descended from a hairy, tailed quadruped, probably arboreal in its habits.

- Charles Darwin
Approximately 550 million years ago, humans had a common ancestor with a lancelet, a rod-like sea animal.

A pair of parents would have to have 1,000,000,000,000,000 (a quadrillion) babies before they possibly might have a child with the same genes as any of their other children. This genetic variation between individuals is the key to how species have evolved.

According to a Pew Research Center analysis, 6 in 10 Americans agree that humans and other animals have evolved over time. A third reject the idea of evolution.

Approximately 43% of Republicans and 67% of Democrats believe in evolution.

According to Pew Research, men are somewhat more inclined than women to say that humans and animals evolved over time. Younger adults are more likely than older generations to agree with evolution. Additionally, those with more years of formal education are more likely than those with less education to agree with evolution.

Fun Evolution Facts
About 31% of yeast genes are similar to human genes
Humans share about 31% of their genes with yeast, a single living cell that replicates every 90 minutes. They share about 50% of their genes with a banana.

A descended larynx, which allows humans to speak, evolved roughly 350,000 year ago. Humans also possess a descended hyoid one, which allows humans to articulate words. In contrast, the larynx in a chimp, for example, sits higher in the throat than in a human.

A hobbit-like species of human lived about 18,000 years ago. About the size of a 3-year-old, they lived with pygmy elephants and 10-foot-long lizards.


The changes in a human pelvis that allow humans to walk upright also made bearing children unusually more dangerous than the rest of the animal kingdom. Additionally, the lumbar curve in the lower back, which helps humans maintain balance, is more vulnerable to pain and injury.

A square inch of human skin on average has as much or more hair-producing follicles as other primates. The difference is that human hair is thinner, shorter, and lighter.

While other primates have opposable thumbs, humans are unique because they can bring their thumbs across the hand to their ring and little fingers. Humans can also flex the ring and little fingers toward the base of the thumb. This allows humans to have a powerful grip and dexterity to hold and use tools.

Interesting Charles Darwin Fact
Darwin is considered one of the most influential people in history
Charles Darwin did not come up with his theory of evolution while at the Galapagos Islands. His ideas came later, after his return from the voyage.

The development of human clothes has influenced the evolution of other species. For example, unlike all other kinds of louse, the body louse clings to clothing not to hair.

Evolutionary biologists hypothesize that species that cooperate rather than compete value sameness, which has led to right-hand dominance. Lefties constitute just 10% of the normal population; yet they make up 50% of elite athletes.

Researchers suggest that the discovery of fire influenced human evolution. Fire allowed humans to cook their food, which made food easier to chew and digest—which, in turn, contributed to the reduction of human tooth and gut size.

While most animals reproduce until they die, humans have evolved to survive long after the ability to reproduce. Scientists believe this has helped ensure the success of a woman’s family.

The theory of evolution has three basic parts: 1) it is possible for an organism’s DNA to change or mutate; 2) the change is harmful, beneficial, or neutral; and 3) after a long period of time, the mutations cause new species to form.

Mutations fuel evolution by providing new genes in the gene pool of a species. Many factors cause DNA mutation, including X-rays, cosmic rays, nuclear radiation, and random chemical reactions in a cell.

In 1861, the fossil of a primitive bird named Archaeopteryx (“first bird”) was found in Germany. It has impressions of feathers and a long, bony tail. Scientist believe this fossil links birds and reptiles and was the first solid evidence to support Darwin’s theory of evolution.

Interesting Archaeopteryx Fact
Scientist believe this fossil links birds and reptiles
In the 1870s, Ernst Haeckel, a German biologist and naturalist, developed the idea of “evolution as progress,” which assumes that all nature is moving toward a final goal: human beings.

Modern evolution theory recognizes that evolution does not always mean progress. If the environment changes, more advanced animals can die out while less advanced relatives survive.

Darwin was not the first to propose a theory of evolution. His real achievement was that he was able to present a more coherent argument for evolution backed up by a mass of accurate information.

In revolutionary France, a theory of evolution (by Jean Baptiste Lamarck) was used to challenge the authority of the church and the king. Fearful of similar uprisings, England made evolution a scandalous idea.

Scientists believe that the nictitating membrane (the small pink tissue in the corner of a human eye) is a remnant of a third eyelid, similar to the semitransparent eyelid used by birds, reptiles, fish, and other mammals. It is used to protect the eye or moisten it.

The discovery of DNA (strands of hereditary material) provides the strongest proof for biological evolution. By comparing genomes of different living things and observing the changes in the coding of genes, scientists can figure out how closely different species are related to each other and identify how long ago a common ancestor lived.

Amazing Evolution Facts
The discovery of DNA supports the theory of evolution
Eighty-five percent of the population cannot wiggle its ears or control the Auricularis muscles that surround the outer ear. Scientists believe this muscle allowed human beings’ primate ancestors to move their ears in different directions to pinpoint the locations of sounds. They lost the need to move their ears when they started to live in groups.

Scientists believe that wisdom teeth and the appendix are leftover “equipment” from when humans ate a primarily leaf-based diet. As the human diet changed, these appendices have become essentially useless.

The term “Junk DNA” refers to regions of DNA that are noncoding—or, in other words, they do not code for a protein. Scientists note that evolution is messy, incomplete, and inefficient and, consequently, it results in DNA sequences with varying degrees of function or no function at all. In the human genome, almost all (98%) of DNA is noncoding.

Hiccups may date back to humans’ watery ancestors. Wiring in the brain that pushes water over fish gills and makes amphibians gulp air has been imperfectly rewired in mammals. It can make the diaphragm go into spasms, which causes hiccups.

Because of evolution, many animals lay hundreds of eggs each year to ensure that even a few reach adulthood. If all the froglets survived, the world would be knee-deep in frogs within 10 years.

The plantaris muscle in the foot is used by animals to grip and manipulate objects with their feet. For example, apes seem to be able to use their feet as well as their hands. In humans, however, this muscle is so underdeveloped that doctors often remove it when they need tissue for reconstructing other parts of the body. About 9% of humans are now born without it.

Interesting Platypus Fact
The platypus has a genetic affinity with both reptiles and birds
The platypus is the earliest mammal offshoot from the reptiles. It lays eggs but produces milk like other mammals. It also has evolved the ability to produce venom independently of its reptile ancestors.

Humans have very little hair compared to other primates. Researchers believe humans have evolved this feature because 1) it made it easier to forage for food in shallow water, 2) it helped humans lose heat faster on the hot savannas, and 3) it helped reduce the number of parasites on the body.

Human evolution has taken 5 million years. Modern man, or homo sapiens (“wise man”), emerged 250,000 years ago. Until 25,000 years ago, humans lived alongside the Neanderthals, who were stronger and more stocky. Scientists are unsure what happened to the Neanderthals.

The evolution of the mammalian ear can be clearly tracked through fish, amphibian, and reptile fossils. Mammals have three small bones in the inner ear that began as the jawbones of fish. Over time, they changed form and function, shrank, and moved away from the jaw. This allowed mammals to develop a superior sense of hearing.

Madagascar split from Africa 165 million years ago, which was before Africa’s large mammals, such as elephants and giraffes, evolved. Hence, elephants and giraffes do not live on Madagascar. Hippos are thought to be the only large mammals to have swum to Madagascar.

Some scientists believe that if humans colonize other planets, colonizers would face new environment conditions, such as low gravity and oxygen. Over centuries, the colonizers and the plants and animals they took with them would evolve to look and behave differently.

A panda’s thumb is actually an enlarged wrist bone that has evolved to allow the panda to hold onto its favorite food: bamboo.

Interesting Anger Fact
Lip twitching when angry is an evolutionary leftover
Lip twitching when angry is an evolutionary leftover. It is the first part of baring teeth at an intruder and can also be seen in wolves, bears, and chimpanzees.
Birds haven’t had teeth for 70 million years, but researchers have found them in the embryos of mutant chickens. Researchers believe that chickens lost their teeth to grow beaks—although, they still have the potential to make teeth.

Researchers are unsure if humans are still evolving or if they have reached their evolutionary peak.
A new species is achieved when two populations of the same living thing become so different that they can no longer breed with each other.

Evolutionary biologists note that a symmetrical face is more attractive around the world because symmetry signals good genes for reproductive health.

According to evolutionary biologists, women are more attracted to men with a large jaw and prominent brow, which are shaped by high levels of testosterone. Men are attracted to women with smaller chins and less prominent brows, which signal higher estrogen levels.

One study found that men who were hungry preferred women with higher body weights. Researchers suspect this happens because of an evolutionary response to resource scarcity; in other words, a heavier woman advertises access to more resources, such as food.

Historically, men prefer women with an hourglass figure. Researchers believe this is a product of evolution because the waist-hip ratio (WHR) serves as an indicator of reproductive health.

Scientific studies have shown that blushing helps ease hostile responses by communicating that a person is ashamed or apologetic. Studies show that blushing elicits sympathy, which helps keep the subject alive. Humans are the only animals capable of blushing.

Many people feel the urge to lift their feet or climb to a more elevated position when scared or feeling anxious. Evolutionary biologists claim this is a remnant instinct from when early ground-dwelling mammals would climb trees when threatened.

Evidence for evolution is continually being gathered and tested; consequently, scientists argue that evolution is both a fact and a theory.

Interesting Goose Bump Fact
Humans have as many hair producing follicles as other primates

Researchers believe that goose bumps are a remnant of thick hair that covered early humans.

The Tiktaalik is a fossil that shows the transition between a fish and a walking tetrapod. This “fishapod” had developed wrist and finger bones that enabled it to prop itself up on its fins. Holes on top of its head suggest it may have breathed air through primitive lungs.

The term “evolution” dates from the Latin evolutionem, meaning “unrolling” or “an opening of what was rolled up.”

Scientists believe that red hair and pale skin was evolutionarily advantageous in northern Europe because it helped humans to synthesize vitamin D more easily.

Although the modern theory of evolution has its source in Charles Darwin's book, "On the Origin of Species" (1859), the word "evolution" does not appear once in the book.
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#1365 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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beni-bu-man wrote: 26/11/2019 11:54

bil ti meni vjerovao da sam ja vidio Boga kad bi ti to reko ?
Beni, mislim da si ti vidio neko tele i povjerovao da je to bog?

Nisi ti jedini koji je u to povjerovao.

153 Sljedbenici Knjige traže od tebe da im s neba spustiš Knjigu. Pa, od Musaa su tražili i više od toga, kad su, uglas, rekli: "Pokaži nam Allaha!" Zato ih je, zbog bezdušnosti njihove, munja ošinula. Poslije su, kada su im očigledni dokazi bili pokazani, tele prihvatili, ali smo i to oprostili, a Musau smo očitu vlast dali,

En-Nisa', 153
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allem_77 wrote: 26/11/2019 16:59
beni-bu-man wrote: 26/11/2019 11:54

bil ti meni vjerovao da sam ja vidio Boga kad bi ti to reko ?
Beni, mislim da si ti vidio neko tele i povjerovao da je to bog?

Nisi ti jedini koji je u to povjerovao.

153 Sljedbenici Knjige traže od tebe da im s neba spustiš Knjigu. Pa, od Musaa su tražili i više od toga, kad su, uglas, rekli: "Pokaži nam Allaha!" Zato ih je, zbog bezdušnosti njihove, munja ošinula. Poslije su, kada su im očigledni dokazi bili pokazani, tele prihvatili, ali smo i to oprostili, a Musau smo očitu vlast dali,

En-Nisa', 153
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#1367 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Ja se, iskreno, godinama trudim da shvatim zasto ljudi (vjernici) vjeruju ljudima koji su nesto napisali prije 1500+ godina, a istovremeno bi iste ili slicne tvrdnje nekih drugih ljudi danas hladno pomnozili s nulom... I nikako da shvatim....

Pogotovo mi je tek nejasno kada vidim u kakve se sve tu stvari i "cuda" bespogovorno vjeruje, a masa tih stvari, ako ne i sve, odavno prestala biti "cuda" jer su kasnije objasnjene u smislu njihovog stvarnog porijekla i nacina nastajanja.... Dadoh neki kraci pregled toga na prethodnoj stranici, ali svi to hladno zaobidjose. :D

Da ne pricamo o tome da se konstantno tvrdi kako su u Kur'anu svi moguci odgovori koje nauka danas samo "potvrdjuje". Ovo je takav nonsense da je zaista tesko shvatiti da neko zaista vjeruje u ovo...
Pa, nauka je za proteklih 1400 godina otkrila milion stvari koje ama bas nikako nisu spomenute u bilo kojoj vjerskoj knjizi, ali vjernici ce za svaku od tih milion stvari naci neko tumacenje u tim knjigama. Na stranu sto je ta stvar koja se spominje vec ranije protumacena i povezana za nesto deseto. To im ne smeta da tu istu stvar iz te knjige hladno sad protumace na drugi nacin i povezu za nesto dijametralno suprotno od onoga prethodnog....
A to ne moze tako, zar ne?

Naravno, ako se upita zasto u tim knjigama nema nekih vise nego bitnih stvari za sve nas, ali i za planetu, poput vulkana recimo, tada se vjernicka objasnjenja svode na to da ta knjiga nije enciklopedija znanja. OK, nije enciklopedija, ali istovremeno se tvrdi da su u njoj svi odgovori. Kontradiktornost...?
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#1368 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Dozer wrote: 26/11/2019 17:16 Ja se, iskreno, godinama trudim da shvatim zasto ljudi (vjernici) vjeruju ljudima koji su nesto napisali prije 1500+ godina, a istovremeno bi iste ili slicne tvrdnje nekih drugih ljudi danas hladno pomnozili s nulom... I nikako da shvatim....

Pogotovo mi je tek nejasno kada vidim u kakve se sve tu stvari i "cuda" bespogovorno vjeruje, a masa tih stvari, ako ne i sve, odavno prestala biti "cuda" jer su kasnije objasnjene u smislu njihovog stvarnog porijekla i nacina nastajanja.... Dadoh neki kraci pregled toga na prethodnoj stranici, ali svi to hladno zaobidjose. :D

Da ne pricamo o tome da se konstantno tvrdi kako su u Kur'anu svi moguci odgovori koje nauka danas samo "potvrdjuje". Ovo je takav nonsense da je zaista tesko shvatiti da neko zaista vjeruje u ovo...
Pa, nauka je za proteklih 1400 godina otkrila milion stvari koje ama bas nikako nisu spomenute u bilo kojoj vjerskoj knjizi, ali vjernici ce za svaku od tih milion stvari naci neko tumacenje u tim knjigama. Na stranu sto je ta stvar koja se spominje vec ranije protumacena i povezana za nesto deseto. To im ne smeta da tu istu stvar iz te knjige hladno sad protumace na drugi nacin i povezu za nesto dijametralno suprotno od onoga prethodnog....
A to ne moze tako, zar ne?

Naravno, ako se upita zasto u tim knjigama nema nekih vise nego bitnih stvari za sve nas, ali i za planetu, poput vulkana recimo, tada se vjernicka objasnjenja svode na to da ta knjiga nije enciklopedija znanja. OK, nije enciklopedija, ali istovremeno se tvrdi da su u njoj svi odgovori. Kontradiktornost...?
Ma pusti,vidiš da je narod glup.To se ne može shvatit.
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#1369 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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beni-bu-man wrote: 26/11/2019 17:11
allem_77 wrote: 26/11/2019 16:59
beni-bu-man wrote: 26/11/2019 11:54

bil ti meni vjerovao da sam ja vidio Boga kad bi ti to reko ?
Beni, mislim da si ti vidio neko tele i povjerovao da je to bog?

Nisi ti jedini koji je u to povjerovao.

153 Sljedbenici Knjige traže od tebe da im s neba spustiš Knjigu. Pa, od Musaa su tražili i više od toga, kad su, uglas, rekli: "Pokaži nam Allaha!" Zato ih je, zbog bezdušnosti njihove, munja ošinula. Poslije su, kada su im očigledni dokazi bili pokazani, tele prihvatili, ali smo i to oprostili, a Musau smo očitu vlast dali,

En-Nisa', 153
Jarane zar ne mozes na jednostavno pitanje, jednostavni odgovorom odgovoriti.
Na koje pitanje? Već sam objasnio Dozeru da ja ne znam sve odgovore. Nego služeći se logikom, maštom... odgovorim na neka pitanja onako kako sam ih ja sebi protumačio. A što opet ne znači da sam ispravno razumio.

A ako misliš na pitanje o kamenu? :-) Ta pitanja su nezamisliva. Isto se odnosi na pitanja može li Bog imati djecu?

"Nezamislivo je da Allah ima dijete, Uzvišen je On",

Jedno od značenja riječi nezamislivo?
https://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksimoron
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#1370 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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allem_77 wrote: 26/11/2019 17:45

Na koje pitanje? Već sam objasnio Dozeru da ja ne znam sve odgovore. Nego služeći se logikom, maštom... odgovorim na neka pitanja onako kako sam ih ja sebi protumačio. A što opet ne znači da sam ispravno razumio.

A ako misliš na pitanje o kamenu? :-) Ta pitanja su nezamisliva. Isto se odnosi na pitanja može li Bog imati djecu?

"Nezamislivo je da Allah ima dijete, Uzvišen je On",

Jedno od značenja riječi nezamislivo?
https://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksimoron
na ovo

"bil ti meni vjerovao da sam ja vidio Boga kad bi ti to reko ?"

jednostavni odgovor bi bio DA ili NE


a sto nezamislivio? ako tako mislisi onda ti je um ogranicen

et ja mogu zamisliti da allah ima malog allah-a Jr-a i setka se snjim naokolo, sto ne bi mogo imat, on je tha almighty, alfa i omega, ako mu je kurcu cejf moze imat djete
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#1371 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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beni-bu-man wrote: 26/11/2019 17:55
allem_77 wrote: 26/11/2019 17:45

Na koje pitanje? Već sam objasnio Dozeru da ja ne znam sve odgovore. Nego služeći se logikom, maštom... odgovorim na neka pitanja onako kako sam ih ja sebi protumačio. A što opet ne znači da sam ispravno razumio.

A ako misliš na pitanje o kamenu? :-) Ta pitanja su nezamisliva. Isto se odnosi na pitanja može li Bog imati djecu?

"Nezamislivo je da Allah ima dijete, Uzvišen je On",

Jedno od značenja riječi nezamislivo?
https://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksimoron
na ovo

"bil ti meni vjerovao da sam ja vidio Boga kad bi ti to reko ?"

jednostavni odgovor bi bio DA ili NE


a sto nezamislivio? ako tako mislisi onda ti je um ogranicen

et ja mogu zamisliti da allah ima malog allah-a Jr-a i setka se snjim naokolo, sto ne bi mogo imat, on je tha almighty, alfa i omega, ako mu je kurcu cejf moze imat djete
On može sve,jedino kad knjigu treba napisat treba mu pomoć zemljanina :D
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#1372 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Na ponjavu o evoluciji. Što kažu neki ateisti:

Sir Fred Hoyle:
“Dakle, kao što nam i zdrav razum govori, darvinistička teorija je tačna u malim, ali ne i u velikim razmjerima.
Zečevi su nastali od tek neznatno drugačijih zečeva, a ne od [primordijalne] juhe ili od krompira. Odakle uopće svi oni potiču jeste problem koji tek treba rijšiti, kao i mnogo toga drugog na kozmičkom nivou.”

Richard Dawkins:
“Nije potrebno da budete matematičar ili fizičar da biste izračunali da je potrebna čitava večnost da bi se oko ili molekul hemoglobina sami od sebe obrazovali pukim slučajem.”
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#1373 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Edouard wrote: 26/11/2019 18:57 Na ponjavu o evoluciji. Što kažu neki ateisti:

Sir Fred Hoyle:
“Dakle, kao što nam i zdrav razum govori, darvinistička teorija je tačna u malim, ali ne i u velikim razmjerima.
Zečevi su nastali od tek neznatno drugačijih zečeva, a ne od [primordijalne] juhe ili od krompira. Odakle uopće svi oni potiču jeste problem koji tek treba rijšiti, kao i mnogo toga drugog na kozmičkom nivou.”

Richard Dawkins:
“Nije potrebno da budete matematičar ili fizičar da biste izračunali da je potrebna čitava večnost da bi se oko ili molekul hemoglobina sami od sebe obrazovali pukim slučajem.”
A ljudi?
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#1374 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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beni-bu-man wrote: 26/11/2019 13:38

Evo nagrade

Vjerovatno mi neces vjerovati, upravo perifernim dijelom desnog oka gledam TAJ film. :D
NAravno da nije slucajnost.
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#1375 Re: Kutak za ateističko-religijski trenutak

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Sara03 wrote: 25/11/2019 21:40
Edouard wrote: 24/11/2019 01:32 Neka drugarica nije upoređivala ateizam sa apstinencijom, toliko valjda znaš čitati, no od toga je ipak važnije progurati usiljeni humor i sveprisutnu opsjednutost kopulacijom.

A kako ste već kod iste, red je da se nekako zahvalim vjernicima jer su evolucionistički nastrojeni, što rade na produženju vrste i tako praktičnim primjerom validiraju teoriju evolucije i njene mehanizme, kad već oni drugi neće.

Thank you, gracias, merci beaucoup. :ljulja:
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A naročito onima što su brojali do četiri. :kakoste:
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