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Lijep, samo kratak video... Na ravnicu nikako da se naviknem...

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#90102 Re: Ukrajina

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exliberal-ex wrote: 30/05/2022 15:59
mikrozadatak wrote: 30/05/2022 15:47 Uništi artiljerijom, sprži grad, poravna ga ... i onda uđe.
To je izgleda jedini način na koji ruska armija može nešto uzeti.
Ajde objasnite mi molim vas kako se gradovi zauzimaju?
Obicno ga zauzmem posjetom kulturnim i sportskim ustanovama.
Izmedju toga naravno ide meni najomiljeniji dio. Gastro turizam, koji najcesce ukljucuje isprobavanje lokalnih specijaliteta.
Navece isto to, samo sto ukljucim i proizvode jecma i grozdja u ponudu.

Nepojmljivo tebi i divljim hordama sa istoka?
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#90103 Re: Ukrajina

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Kyuss wrote: 30/05/2022 16:31
exliberal-ex wrote: 30/05/2022 15:59

Ajde objasnite mi molim vas kako se gradovi zauzimaju?
Obicno ga zauzmem posjetom kulturnim i sportskim ustanovama.
Izmedju toga naravno ide meni najomiljeniji dio. Gastro turizam, koji najcesce ukljucuje isprobavanje lokalnih specijaliteta.
Navece isto to, samo sto ukljucim i proizvode jecma i grozdja u ponudu.

Nepojmljivo tebi i divljim hordama sa istoka?
Pravis se blesav...pitanje je kako se gradovi zauzimaju u ratu?
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#90104 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 30/05/2022 16:11 Oko ovoga se natežu već sedmicama, Biden je izgleda prelomio.
Biden says US will not send Ukraine weapons systems that can reach into Russia
The US president, Joe Biden, has said the United States will not send Ukraine rocket systems that can reach into Russia, Reuters reports. The comments followed reports that the Biden administration was preparing to send advanced long-range rocket systems to Kyiv.

Obecali su MLRS ova izjava po meni znaci da im nece dati odredjenu municiju za istu.

To jest mislim na ATACMS projektile dometa 300+km

Tako da vjerujem da ce dobiti Himars i M270 ali s raketama dometa do 70 km.
Sto je i dalje gamechanger
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#90105 Re: Ukrajina

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exliberal-ex wrote: 30/05/2022 15:59
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mikrozadatak wrote: 30/05/2022 15:47 Uništi artiljerijom, sprži grad, poravna ga ... i onda uđe.
To je izgleda jedini način na koji ruska armija može nešto uzeti.
Ajde objasnite mi molim vas kako se gradovi zauzimaju?
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Kako mislite da ce bilo koja vojska nastupit ako je neprijatelj utvrdjen u gradu?
Sigurno ne onako kako su divljaci sa Pala pokusali zauzeti Sarajevo.
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#90106 Re: Ukrajina

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plavi_E wrote: 30/05/2022 16:39
exliberal-ex wrote: 30/05/2022 15:59
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Ajde objasnite mi molim vas kako se gradovi zauzimaju?
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Kako mislite da ce bilo koja vojska nastupit ako je neprijatelj utvrdjen u gradu?
Sigurno ne onako kako su divljaci sa Pala pokusali zauzeti Sarajevo.
Ja opet pitam kako se zauzimaju gradovi u ratu?
Sve strucnjaci do jednog I opet niko nista....da cujem od WWII pa do danas kako su gradovi osvajani?
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#90107 Re: Ukrajina

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lajkujMe wrote: 30/05/2022 16:39
Čitalac wrote: 30/05/2022 16:11 Oko ovoga se natežu već sedmicama, Biden je izgleda prelomio.


Obecali su MLRS ova izjava po meni znaci da im nece dati odredjenu municiju za istu.

To jest mislim na ATACMS projektile dometa 300+km

Tako da vjerujem da ce dobiti Himars i M270 ali s raketama dometa do 70 km.
Sto je i dalje gamechanger
Za rusku artiljeriju su i haubice 155/52 gamechangeri. Stotinjak CAESAR-a bi okrenulo mnogo toga na frontu. Ali Makroncic to nece nikad dati.
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#90108 Re: Ukrajina

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Okruzis grad, napadnes sa silom minimalno 3 jacom od one koja brani grad.

To je standardna vojna doktrina.

Ako ne uspije klasicni napad onda udaris i teskim naoruzanjem da sravnis grad.

Tako se u historiji osvajaju gradovi
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#90109 Re: Ukrajina

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U Odesi je počelo uklanjanje betonskih prepreka postavljenih za odbranu grada u prvim danima agresije. Prošle sedmice skraćen je i policijski čas.

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#90110 Re: Ukrajina

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To znaci da su stigli Harpooni i da su spreni za dejstvo.
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#90111 Re: Ukrajina

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Vidim na Indexu snimak, Rusi unistili ukrajinske vucne haubice :(

Ocekivano da ima toga sa obje strane ali ne volim da vidim ni znam.
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#90112 Re: Ukrajina

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Evo zato malo i arhivskog naoruzanja u akciji....

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#90113 Re: Ukrajina

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drndalo wrote: 30/05/2022 16:57 Evo zato malo i arhivskog naoruzanja u akciji....

I jedni I drugi to rade

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#90114 Re: Ukrajina

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geralt wrote: 30/05/2022 15:27
toska wrote: 30/05/2022 14:55


+1 :bih: sloboda Ukrajini
Najjace mi je kad koriste nas rat kao argument da se trebamo staviti na stranu Igora Girkina.

A pritom ignorisu iz koje su drzave recimo dosli piloti koji su stradali sa Irfanom Ljubijankicem.
U Žepi gdje su bili ukrajinci za razliku Holanđana nije bio pokolj i genocid nad Bošnjacima. Kako su Ukrajinci u Bosni spasili hiljade ljudi od masakra i zašto se o tome ne priča
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#90115 Re: Ukrajina

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Samo zapad odlucuje kako I koliko ce borba trajati, nadam se da sa ovim mrcvarenjem te poslat ce ovo, te ne mogu ono, ne bude operaciju uspjela, pacijent umro

Brodovi I brodovi mts su potrebni za oslobodjenje cijele UA vojno, a sad je omjer, jedan brod ce dati uk, jedan istok eu, jedan su obecali svabe :lol: , ali u osnovi sve je do usa, I svi gledaju sta oni rade, afgan je bio okidac za ovo putlerovo divljastvo, "poraz usa u UA" je strasno I zamisliti cemu vodi

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#90116 Re: Ukrajina

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Na samitu EU i dalje bez dogovora o blokadi ruske nafte. Kako stvari stoje, čeka se kraj juna.
Despite last-minute negotiations between EU countries, leaders have failed to agree on a Russian oil import ban before the two-day summit got underway in Brussels, Reuters reports. While the leaders of the 27 countries will agree in principle to an oil embargo, the details of their draft conclusions are yet to be decided.

Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas said it was realistic to expect an agreement at the EU’s next summit on June 23-24, according to Reuters.

Latvia prime minister Krisjanis Karins said: "We’re getting a little bogged down in all of the details and we’re forgetting the big picture. It’s only money. The Ukrainians are paying with their lives".
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#90117 Re: Ukrajina

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Dakle 82% ukrajinaca nije za primirje I davanje orcima teritorije, ali bez pojacanja u pomoci, tesko ce ih otjerati

Jako lijepo objasnjeno, solz ce hvali kako podrzava UA, a radi sve kontra, mikron se bar ne hvali toliko, on povazdan visi na fejsu sa putlerom :izet: , I posalje par haubica I vatrogasnih kamiona za UA

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#90118 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 30/05/2022 17:34 Na samitu EU i dalje bez dogovora o blokadi ruske nafte. Kako stvari stoje, čeka se kraj juna.
Despite last-minute negotiations between EU countries, leaders have failed to agree on a Russian oil import ban before the two-day summit got underway in Brussels, Reuters reports. While the leaders of the 27 countries will agree in principle to an oil embargo, the details of their draft conclusions are yet to be decided.

Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas said it was realistic to expect an agreement at the EU’s next summit on June 23-24, according to Reuters.

Latvia prime minister Krisjanis Karins said: "We’re getting a little bogged down in all of the details and we’re forgetting the big picture. It’s only money. The Ukrainians are paying with their lives".
Mogu misliti kako ce stanje biti u jesen kad ih putler pocne :izet: za plin, a I naftu naravno

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Ako ima neko u sa da nije kupio el. Grijalicu, sad mu je vrijeme
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#90119 Re: Ukrajina

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Ne znam jel bilo al je poucno stivo. Sta Ukri mogu a sta ne mogu dobit.

The US has two multiple launch rocket systems:

M270 MLRS and M142 HIMARS

Both have a crew of three, both fire the same missiles, both do not need a Fire Direction Center to compute their missions.

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The M142 HIMARS exists in only one version. No updates so far - this version is called M142A0.

The M270 MLRS exists in three versions:
• M270A0
• M270A1
• M270A2

You can distinguish the A1/A2 from the earlier A0 by the GPS antenna on the launcher (red arrow).
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The M270A0 can only fire the M26 series, M28 series training rockets, and M39 rocket (photo: a M28 launch). As of 2022 no country fields the M270A0.

The M270A1 can fire all current missiles, but its processing power is too slow to fire the future PrSM missile.

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Therefore Lockheed Martin is currently overhauling and upgrading 160 stored M270A0 with new engines, transmissions, launcher-loader modules, and the new Common Fire Control System (CFCS) - this version will be known as M270A2.

These 160 new M270A2 will equip the currently

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active ten US Army and US Army National Guard artillery battalions, which all use the M270A1.

When these 160 M270A2 have been delivered Lockheed will begin to overhaul and upgrade the existing fleet of 225 M270A1 launchers to the new M270A2 standard.

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Once the overhauled M270A1 leave the Lockheed facilities as M270A2 the Army will raise new artillery battalions and increase the number of launchers per battalion.

All this means that Ukraine can only get either M142 or M270A1 launchers, because the M270A0 can't fire the

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GPS guided GMLRS missiles in the US inventory, while the M270A2 is the pinnacle of US military tech and its CFCS is top secret.

This leaves the M270A1 as only possible M270 variant, and luckily Lockheed is right now delivering the first M270A2 to US Army artillery units,

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which are concurrently retiring their M270A1.

As for the M142: more than 540 have been produced so far and the US Army and Marine inventory is around 450 systems, with approximately 335 in active units.

In short: the US could donate a lot of either system to Ukraine,

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as of both 100+ are available and as both systems can be replaced by the US defense industry.

The main difference between the two systems is that the M142 carries only one missile pod. As pods contain the same 6x missiles (either 6x M30A1, 6x M31, or 6x M31A1) this somewhat
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limits a artillery commander's options... unless he has two M142 loaded with different missiles.

The M270A1 carries two pods and so can fire unitary warheads (M31/M31A1) and alternative warhead (M30A1) rockets in the same fire mission.
Both systems can fire a LOT more missions per hour than russian systems.

As mentioned in my earlier tweet it takes 20+ minutes to reload the Uragan (photo) and 40+ minutes to reload the Smerch.

M142 and M270A1 reload time: 5 minutes.
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Then the russians have to measure and set up their firing positions, plot a fire mission with their outdated maps, sight their launchers optically (photo) - this and their slow reloading time mean that the russians can fire one volley per hour at best...

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The M142 and M270A1 need 1 minute to stop, set up and fire their missiles:

drone spots a russian target - sends GPS coordinates to the M142 - gunner enters GPS coordinates into the UFCS - launches missiles - moves on.

A M142 or M270A1 can fire 5-6 volleys per hour (!).
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Not only are M142 and M270A1 faster to reload, quicker to fire, and massively more accurate than russian rocket launchers - their missiles also fly further than russian missiles.

Officially GMLRS missiles have a range of 70 km... I can tell you that this is not true
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Just how much further their real range is I cannot disclose, but the russians are about to make painful discoveries soon.

We now know which launchers and missiles Ukraine will receive... now let's look at how these missiles will deliver a lot of hurt to the russians.

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Itd..
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#90120 Re: Ukrajina

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Ukratko stanje I opcije za naredni period vojske UA u donbasu

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Ode nikolaj pod tockove :run:

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#90122 Re: Ukrajina

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Sreca, nije im nista :shock: :run:

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#90123 Re: Ukrajina

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Nastavlja se "cvakanje" teritorije na jugu.






Prijevod - Oružane snage Ukrajine tokom kontraofanzive oslobodile su naselje Nikolajevka u Hersonskoj oblasti - Glavni štab Oružanih snaga Ukrajine. „Tokom uspješne ofanzive jedinica Odbrambenih snaga, neprijatelj je pretrpio gubitke i povukao se iz naselja Nikolajevka, Hersonska oblast
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#90124 Re: Ukrajina

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#90125 Re: Ukrajina

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Znači, sa nekoliko M270 i M142 parkiranih oko Kramatorska mogu dohvatiti ruske položaje oko Izjuma, Severodonjecka i Popasne. I odoše ruski da pajke.

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Da hoće doći što prije.
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